Open 408 - Player Flavor - GAME OVER - NOOB MOD - ALL WIN

[UberNinja]

Okay. And it's not because of me that Jal's being lynched either.

[UberNinja]

ok well, you're wrong, but what the fuck ever

explain to me why i'm scum based on anything involving LS

[UberNinja]

Not getting cold feet at all. I just want BK to substantiate his read before I die tonight

If he can't then he might be a scum suspect for tomorrow, which I don't want, because he's town.

Stop being a moron, vijay

[UberNinja]

Oh geez

[UberNinja]

okay guys

this is getting a little too much like R tards humping a doorknob

everybody shhhhh until Jal dies

[UberNinja]

Jaaaaaalllll....

tick tock tick tock

[UberNinja]

idk....



IS IT?!!!!?!?!?

[UberNinja]

If Jal flips town which I am almost certain, Uber will go tomorrow. If he flips scum I will bang my head through a window.....

I'm gonna laugh really hard if Jal flips scum, based on what you're going to do

And I'm gonna scratch my head in wonder if Jal flips town

[UberNinja]

CLAIM BABY CLAIM

And list your reads

this

[UberNinja]

But Jal's reaction to being lynched or put at L-1 makes me feel better in her being scum.

I assume this means she's not a PR, then. VOTE: Jal

Om, see the QT.

this

[UberNinja]

Doesn't matter what BK thinks.

But what does help a lot is that people are following me instead of being buttheads.



TO VICTORY AND GLORY

[UberNinja]

Chrimi is probably grounded or something XD

i lol'd

[UberNinja]

Uber, Drmyshotgun, I LIKE POTATOES.
Three were on both scum lynch wagons.
Potatoes flipped Town.
Let us all assume the other two are confirmed Towns?

No, lol.

That's how scum win games like this, moron.
Because town gets complacent and "confirms" people based on early scum flips who shouldn't be confirmed at all.

[UberNinja]

Uber mention your top 3 scum reads. TBH Im not in the best position to suggest this but should we mass claim.

No, we should not. There are ten players alive, one of which is scum, and there are two power roles, which leaves seven VTs and a goon. There's obviously not going to be a counter-claim by scum, because he knows he'd be lynched right away the next day if we chose to lynch the town one first. Unless you have a great way to differentiate a VT claim made by a VT, and a VT claim made by a goon, then I'm all ears as to why you think a massclaim would even be a SLIGHTLY good idea.

Also I feel that Uber is the best lynch for today. @Uber do you agree?

not sure if trolling

[UberNinja]

In hopes that scum wouldn't kill me due to doctor WIFOM, I read the game overnight, and came up with some very good shit.

I'll be posting my thoughts some time soon. I don't have time at the moment, but I had to address Lucky's ridiculous post.

[UberNinja]

@Lucky:

First off: Yes, I had a case behind Jal, the same as I had a case behind Lastsurvivor. There is no need to elucidate when people will sheep me even without a case.

Secondly, let me break this down to you:

You're saying that instead of letting one of the many other lynches go through on either day, (including yours), I purposefully steered wagons onto by scumbuddies each day in hopes that people would trust me more? Yeeeaaahhhhh think about that for a sec.

And when you're done thinking about it (which shouldn't take long), you can then think about how there's a jailer in the setup, and if I was ever jailed at any point and no kill went through, I'd be on the short list for lynching. Not to mention how utterly stupid it would be for me to lynch my scumbuddies, some of the smartest and best players in this game, instead of lynching mislynch fodder like [insert at least 4 players in this game which I won't name because I'm being nice].

And then after all that, you can wonder about why I left alive the only person who suspects me (you) and instead killed off someone who would have sheeped me to the end of the world (kondi/om).

I really have to hand it to you if you're purposefully trying to be dense, but for the sake of everyone else in the game, I wish you'd drop the notion that I might even possibly be scum.

And on top of all that: You have seen the magic more than once, Lucky, why would you ever doubt me?

[UberNinja]

Uber mention your top 3 scum reads. TBH Im not in the best position to suggest this but should we mass claim. Also I feel that Uber is the best lynch for today. @Uber do you agree?

Also, if you think I'm the best lynch for today, why are you asking for my top 3 scum reads? Am I scum or not?

[UberNinja]

Hey, Arug. Check the setup.

Hey, Phillammon. Check the player list.

[UberNinja]

Ok so as I mentioned before, I'm now posting my thoughts, which include:

vijay2vasandani is not scum
drmyshotgun is not scum
rachmarie is not scum
luckyjt is also not scum
phillammon is very probably not scum
arugula is very probably not scum
GNR/bitmap is very probably not scum
and trollie is also probably not scum

[UberNinja]

Which means...

*drumroll*



BK201 is the final goon.

[UberNinja]

Vote: BK201

[UberNinja]

Shit, if Magua is the scum, he'll NEVER get lynched.

>_<

[UberNinja]

ALSO, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU BAD, HORRID LITTLE SHEEP NOT SHEEPING YOUR SHEPHERD (ME)?!?!??!?!!?

[UberNinja]

You know what: I like you, Bitmap.

But why the hell would Lucky pretend to want to lynch me if he knew the next day when I flipped town that town would avenge me by spilling his blood all over the thread in a mad fit of rage?

Answer: He wouldn't.

[UberNinja]

All I ask is that y'all don't hammer before I can re-read.

I just found out through researching all my past games that my town/scum success ratio for lynches (when I'm town) is 45% correct scum lynches, which seems ridiculously high but I double and triple checked. It's legit, so I put it straight onto my wiki! I want to see if I can get it above 50%

[UberNinja]

I think I see where you're going with this, but would like to hear you explain.

[UberNinja]

Ok, I am alright with that strategy.

But Magua, who do you think is scummy, and why?

[UberNinja]

Ok if this is how it's gonna be then I probably better explain my reads on people.

I'll get to that tonight.

[UberNinja]

Remember, don't lynch anyone until I post my thoughts, fuckers

<3

[UberNinja]

I am plenty caught up. I just want to post my thoughts.

Also I want to know what Magua thinks about people's alignments instead of just "here's what we should do, IN THEORY, now let's do it"

Thoughts coming shortly

[UberNinja]

Also I want to know what Magua thinks about people's alignments instead of just "here's what we should do, IN THEORY, now let's do it"

Yeah, quite honestly, that's not going to happen at this point.

@Lucky:

Claim.

Well then, no offense, but I am

not

going to let someone who has been on the site for 2 weeks, and has "I suck at mafia" bolded in their sig, pick the lynch at whim just because they are a power role.

I'm damn well going to do my own research and push the lynch that I think should go through. And Lucky's lynch should definitely not go through.

[UberNinja]

Thoughts coming shortly

Shortly was a little longer than I planned, but here goes.

Here's what I had on Lucky:

Spoiler: Case for him being scum (I felt good about this at the time, but now not so much)

Lets lynch one of the replacement spots just to get a lynch.

I don't like this post at all.

Context:
This is right after we got granted another deadline extension on Day 1.
This is right after I started the reasonless quickwagon on Lastsurvivor.

NO COMMENTARY ON THE LS QUICK-WAGON. Just an attempt to derail it.

Somebody tell me why I ever thought this guy was town.

fucking lynch LS please before I rip Lucky's head off for being either stupidly dense, or being LS's scumbuddy trying to deflect

aaaaaaaaaaaand holy shit I guess I caught it back then too

Vote: Luckyjt

Let's take this to the bank (after we rob it, of course, being the miscreants we are)
We can bury him right next to Lastsurvivor's still-warm corpse... EHEHEHEHEHAHAAHA

vote: ls

I honestly want this day to end and dont see why LS lynch is the best but whatever.

OH AND NOW HE WANTS TO LYNCH HIM

LOLOL

Lastsurvivor

: You've been kind of flip-flopping a bit here and your vote is currently on no one. You took your vote off of Vijay quickly after the deadline extension due to drmyshotgun's "gud" reasons and just as quickly something suddenly seems "off" about the dynamic between the two. I'm confused. Who do you even think is scum now?

Lucky

: You gave reasons for voting Vijay in post 744 - because his flip would at least help clarify if Trollie is scum. What good reasoning do you have to suddenly drop your vote and create another wagon?

Also - where the hell did you guys go when Lastsurvivor was last voted on? Most of you quickly jumped shipped and I was out there having a stupid Battle of the Walls on my own. I felt as though I were crawling through the desert without water, with my only companion being Vijay quietly and constantly whispering into my ear

"occaaaamm's rraaazooooor."

Suddenly Uber comes back, votes for LS, and you're all gung-ho again?

Screw you guys.

VOTE: Lastsurvivor

I'm also upset that our two main town reads, Phill and Rach, have been rather useless as of late.

Lucky and Lastsurvivor - answer the questions. I'm going to have lunch and look through some of the thread again, as I now apparently have an eternity to do so.

P-edit: Lucky changed his vote and doesn't seem to even think it's worthwhile.

And I'll willingly bet all of my town cred on my hypothesis that Jal is the final scum and realized the VERY POST after his other buddy bussed, that LS's lynch was inevitable, and tried to bury his LS vote with a bunch of conjecture and other shit, and then there's the AtE of "Now that Uber is back and voting for LS, you're all gung ho again? Screw you guys, Vote: LS" ......

LOOOOL

make it so

lynch both these fuckers one after the other, i don't care which first but if arugula wants Jal first I am 100% down either way

game = broken.

you're all clear, kids! now let's blow this thing so we can go home!

Spoiler: Case for him being town (I believe in this one much more firmly)

Wait - what the hell is happening?

And Arugula, I'm not trying to recruit anyone, Jesus. Paranoid much? The reason I changed my opinion of Rach was because of this post:

bahhh I often do
intent to hammer because I trust myself to not quick hammer and give the person who is likely to be lynched a chance to have his or her say FIRST. besides things DO change in reads. I was beginning to doubt LS, when he self hammered and ripped the hammer out of my hands VERY much like he did in Newbie 1206 I was then sure he was scum. I am town and if you are town, Jal then I am not your enemy.

After a reread, I now believe I initially read this

entirely

wrong, especially when I take into account my previous read on her and her latest posts. I don't think she gives a rats ass about you or me.

Phill, I still want a basic reads list from you.

I have no idea what to think about Lucky voting for himself.

The bolded above would very likely not be said by a scumbuddy. I don't think Jal would try to save Lucky if Lucky was scum, or even show any opposition to his lynch. One of Jal's good scum traits was that she was pretty good at blending in; unfortunately, town tells from too many other people PoE'd her as scum. And I don't think Jal would have made this comment about Lucky as a scumbuddy like that, especially in light of the comments on LS's lynch she made on Day 1:

Also - where the hell did you guys go when Lastsurvivor was last voted on? Most of you quickly jumped shipped and I was out there having a stupid Battle of the Walls on my own. I felt as though I were crawling through the desert without water, with my only companion being Vijay quietly and constantly whispering into my ear "occaaaamm's rraaazooooor."

Suddenly Uber comes back, votes for LS, and you're all gung-ho again?

Screw you guys.

VOTE: Lastsurvivor

Not to mention, in that very post, the only two people she addressed (other than talking about me) were talking to both LastSurvivor and Luckyjt. I sincerely doubt that Jal would ever mention both scum buddies in the same post.

Also, I can't see a scenario where something like this should ever be said by a scumbuddy.

Wait - what the hell is happening?

And Arugula, I'm not trying to recruit anyone, Jesus. Paranoid much? The reason I changed my opinion of Rach was because of this post:

bahhh I often do
intent to hammer because I trust myself to not quick hammer and give the person who is likely to be lynched a chance to have his or her say FIRST. besides things DO change in reads. I was beginning to doubt LS, when he self hammered and ripped the hammer out of my hands VERY much like he did in Newbie 1206 I was then sure he was scum. I am town and if you are town, Jal then I am not your enemy.

After a reread, I now believe I initially read this

entirely

wrong, especially when I take into account my previous read on her and her latest posts. I don't think she gives a rats ass about you or me.

Phill, I still want a basic reads list from you.

I have no idea what to think about Lucky voting for himself.

That sounds much more like Jal-scum talking about Lucky-town than about Lucky-scumbuddy.

Also, this sentence put him really really hard as town in my books: "Jal is 100% confirmed town if phil flips scum tomorrow" ... and yes, the entirety of post 1265 was an appeal to emotion, and I thought long and hard about it coming from either town or scum, but I figured that no scum would say that about their buddy.

I am VT which is why I dont care of being lynched.

Tomorrow

quicklynch phil he is scum, look at his vote, look at LS answers to my question, look at him disappearing towards the end of day 1.

Look at him disappearing this whole day and coming to vote me with "no idea what is going on." DOnt let anyone tell you to vote someone else. Phil is scum 90% sure. If he flips scum, vote GNR next. If phil is town vote Uber. But I doubt Uber would push so hard for my lynch if he was scum.

Jal is 100% confirmed town if phil flips scum tomorrow.

Jal had no understanding of the point of my questions day one and the fact that dicknose got killed last night seemed like an attempt to frame Jal, thus I say he is town.

So remember quicklynch Phil, if someone tries going against the lynch, lynch them next after GNR if the game has not ended. Phil is scum.

@GNR
And i did not hammer LS, he selfhammered.. I was reluctant to vote because I never saw anything suspicious from LS and apparently no one else here did either since many of you started going after Uber for voting LS with no reason earlier today saying they were partners. Or am I incorrect.

WHy is it that when scum gets lynch day 1 I end up lynched day 2 as town? And usually for the same reason. Because I play conservative and keep from voting until the end of the day when I have a definite scum read, which I did not have one on LS. I voted because as Ive said before I wanted the day to end. I hate long days and since we had 2 extensions and the day started to slow down I was ready to vote anyone just to get a fresh day going.

Oh well hammer me Rach! Once more I repeat quicklynch phil tomorrow , dont let ANYONE change your mind, just do it for me when I flip town.

I also love how many of you think I have a good chance of being town yet want to vote me or have voted me. And I vote myself when I dont want to try to defend myself as town. I have even hammered myself as town

.

The parts in green are town speaking. I really have a hard time seeing scum making such vehement accusations on their deathbed.

Lucky thought he'd be lynched and he didn't give a shit, he just wanted his voice heard. That's

town to the last drop

.

I have gone back and forth about Lucky in my mind all game.

But when I read 1256, I decided he was town.

Therefore, he should not be lynched. We are not looking to "break the game", we are looking to "win the game", a.k.a lynch scum

In theory I like Magua's activity and suggestions, but my gut does not like Magua coming in and suggesting a plan of attack based on certain things, when he hasn't been part of the game and clearly does not have a firm grasp of what's what yet.

And my gut REALLY doesn't like that Magua refuses to give scum reads. What the fuck is that shit.

Not saying he's scum, but if he is: It'd be a great strategy to do the following:

1. Replace in
2. Act town as fuck all at once and all at the beginning to win people's trust
3. Lead the town to do something that makes a lot of sense ON PAPER but disregards everything we KNOW so far
4. Disrupt the entire momentum of how town has been lynching scum so far, and change the entire dynamic into something logic-based instead of gut-based (and last I checked, gut-based has been working 100% for us so far)
5. Get the JK to out himself (thus narrowing the chances of who could possibly be the doc, increasing the chances of a doc nightkill)
6. Get the doc to protect the JK "100000000%" (thus eliminating the chances of the doc protecting ME -- which I

really

don't fucking like)
7. Use this momentum to get people to do exactly what he wants
8. Refuse to give scum reads on people (???)
9. ???
10. PROFIT

The strategy would then be as follows:

1. Shrug off the mislynched town flips as "well they are casualties of war, deal with it"
2. Ride town cred gained based SOLELY on a logic-based "here's what we should do" strategy until endgame
3. Stab every single motherfucking player left alive in the back
4. Win it for my fucking scum buddies

[UberNinja]

tl;dr

1. I don't want a Luckyjt lynch. Not now, not ever.
2. Magua's entire strategy so far is hiiiiiiighly suspect.
3. I am not fucking amused at how things have taken a drastic turn from "gut-based scum lynches" to "logic/breaking strategy-based lynches which might be on town OR scum, who knows" where Magua is not suspected by anyone any more and everyone seems willing to follow him off a cliff.

For reference, I've read some of his games in the past.

He won a fucking

25 player game

with

10 fucking killing roles

on

Day Fucking Nine

. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16879
He was

nominated for a scummy

for this game as the "best performance third party": http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16483

Also there's shit like:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13457
and
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=18294

...

And you guys just want to follow him like the Pied Piper.

No, that's not fucking ok.

We need to do this together, like we've done for the last 2 game days.

It worked just fine for us then, and it'll work fine for us now.

[UberNinja]

I have actually been warming up to Rach as scum recently, actually.

[UberNinja]

Also, there is no point to asking the JK to claim if they're not going to also claim their N2 target.

If we are going to make a lynch, we need to know everything possible, and eliminating people as town on our lists (or in Vote Count Analyses, which I am going to do either tonight or tomorrow) is pretty fucking important.

@Bitmap, please reveal your target for last night so I can have one more conf-town to add into the VCA.

Also, did I mention how furious I am that Magua got the JK to out and now the doctor will no longer be protecting me? Fuuuuuck that.

[UberNinja]

p-edit: Bitmap ninja'd a ninja. Impossible.

[UberNinja]

fuck yes. what a load off my chest

two of the worst looking slots confirmed as town

EHEHEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[UberNinja]

alright, VCA coming right up as promised

[UberNinja]

now if only the vote counts were correct.... what the hell, Chrimi?

i was clearly not the second-to-last person on LS's wagon. wtf bro

[UberNinja]

Vote Count Analysis time.

I've greened myself because I know I'm town. If anyone has a problem with that they can suck it.

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

Not voting(14/14)(

Lastsurvivor

, RachMarie,

UberNinja

, drmyshotgun, TheTrollie,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

, vijay2vasandani, Arugula,

dicknose

,

Jal

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

,

BK201

, Luckyjt, Phillammon)

:

Deadline

: June 16

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(2) drmyshotgun - TheTrollie,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

(1)

Lastsurvivor

- RachMarie
(1)

UberNinja

- Phillammon
(1)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- Arugula
(1) Arugula -

Jal

(1) Phillammon -

Lastsurvivor

Not voting(7/14)(

UberNinja

, drmyshotgun, vijay2vasandani,

dicknose

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

,

Metabot

, Luckyjt)

Deadline

: June 16

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(3) drmyshotgun - TheTrollie,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

,

UberNinja

(2)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- Arugula, V2V
(1)

dicknose

- Luckyjt
(1) Arugula -

Jal

(1) Phillammon -

Lastsurvivor

(1)

UberNinja

- RachMarie
(1)

Jal

- drmyshotgun

Not voting(3/14)(

dicknose

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

,

Metabot

)

Deadline

: June 16

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(2) drmyshotgun - TheTrollie,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

(2)

UberNinja

- RachMarie, V2V

(2)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- Arugula,

dicknose

(1)

dicknose

- Luckyjt
(1) Arugula -

Jal

(1) Phillammon -

UberNinja

(1)

Jal

- drmyshotgun
(1)

Guy_Named_Riggs

-

Lastsurvivor

(1) RachMarie -

Guy_Named_Riggs

Not voting(2/14)(

Metabot

, Phillammon)

Deadline

: June 16

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(2) drmyshotgun - TheTrollie,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

(2)

UberNinja

- RachMarie, V2V

(2)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- Arugula,

dicknose

(1)

dicknose

- Luckyjt
(1) Arugula -

Jal

(1) Phillammon -

UberNinja

(1) TheTrollie - drmyshotgun
(1)

Guy_Named_Riggs

-

Lastsurvivor

(1) RachMarie -

Guy_Named_Riggs

Not voting(2/14)(

Metabot

, Phillammon)

Deadline

: June 16

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(3)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- Arugula,

dicknose

,

Lastsurvivor

(2)

UberNinja

- V2V, Phillammon
(2) drmyshotgun - TheTrollie,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

(2) RachMarie -

Guy_Named_Riggs

, Luckyjt
(1)

Guy_Named_Riggs

- RachMarie
(1) Phillammon -

UberNinja

(1) Vijay -

Jal

(1)

Lastsurvivor

- drmyshotgun

Not voting(1/14)(

Metabot

)

Deadline

: June 16

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(3)

Guy_Named_Riggs

- RachMarie,

dicknose

, drmyshotgun

(2)

Lastsurvivor

- Vijay,

Jal

(2) Vijay -

Lastsurvivor

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

(1) drmyshotgun -

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

(1)

Metabot

- Luckyjt, Arugula
(1)

dicknose

-

UberNinja

Not voting(4/14)(

Metabot

, TheTrollie, Phillammon)

Deadline

: June 16

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(3)

Guy_Named_Riggs

- RachMarie,

dicknose

, drmyshotgun

(2)

Lastsurvivor

- Vijay,

Jal

(2) Vijay -

Lastsurvivor

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

(1) drmyshotgun -

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

(1)

Metabot

- Luckyjt, Arugula
(1)

dicknose

-

UberNinja

Not voting(4/14)(

Metabot

, TheTrollie, Phillammon)

Deadline

: June 16

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(3) Vijay -

Lastsurvivor

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

(2)

Lastsurvivor

- Vijay, drmyshotgun
(2) Luckyjt -

Jal

, Arugula
(1)

Guy_Named_Riggs

- RachMarie
(1)

dicknose

-

UberNinja

(1) TheTrollie - Luckyjt
(1)

UberNinja

-

dicknose

Not voting(4/14)(

Metabot

, TheTrollie, Phillammon)

Deadline

: June 16

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(4) Vijay -

Lastsurvivor

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

,

dicknose

(2) Luckyjt -

Jal

, Arugula
(1)

Lastsurvivor

- Vijay
(1)

Guy_Named_Riggs

- RachMarie
(1) TheTrollie - Luckyjt
(1) drmyshotgun -

UberNinja

Not voting(4/14)(

Metabot

, TheTrollie, Phillammon, drmyshotgun)

Deadline

: June 16

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(4) drmyshotgun -

UberNinja

, Arugula,

dicknose

,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

(2)

Guy_Named_Riggs

- RachMarie, drmyshotgun
(2) Vijay -

Lastsurvivor

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

(1) Luckyjt -

Jal

(1)

Lastsurvivor

- Vijay
(1) TheTrollie - Luckyjt

Not voting(3/14)(

Metabot

, TheTrollie, Phillammon)

Deadline

: June 16

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(5) drmyshotgun -

UberNinja

, Arugula,

dicknose

,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

, Phillamon

(3) Vijay -

Lastsurvivor

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

, drmyshotgun
(1)

Guy_Named_Riggs

- RachMarie
(1) Luckyjt -

Jal

(1) TheTrollie - Luckyjt
(1)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- vijay

Not voting(2/14)(

Metabot

, TheTrollie)

Deadline

: June 16

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(5) Vijay -

Lastsurvivor

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

, Arugula, Luckyjt, Phillamon

(4) drmyshotgun -

UberNinja

,

dicknose

,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

, TheTrollie
(1)

Guy_Named_Riggs

- RachMarie
(1) Luckyjt -

Jal

(1)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- vijay

Not voting(2/14)(

Metabot

, drmyshotgun)

Deadline

: June 16

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(7) L-1 - Vijay -

Lastsurvivor

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

, Arugula, Luckyjt, Phillamon,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

,

Jal

(3) drmyshotgun -

UberNinja

,

dicknose

, TheTrollie
(2)

Guy_Named_Riggs

- RachMarie, drmyshotgun
(1)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- vijay

Not voting(1/14)(

Metabot

)

Deadline

: EXTENDED: June 23

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(3) Vijay -

Guy_Named_Riggs

, Arugula, Luckyjt

(3)

Lastsurvivor

- drmyshotgun,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

, TheTrollie

(2) drmyshotgun -

UberNinja

,

dicknose

(1)

Guy_Named_Riggs

- RachMarie
(1)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- vijay

Not voting(5/14)(

Metabot

,

dicknose

,

Jal

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

, Phillamon)

Deadline

: EXTENDED: June 30

Vote Count

(14 players alive = 8 to lynch)

(8) LYNCH -

Lastsurvivor

- drmyshotgun,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

, TheTrollie, Luckyjt,

Jal

, Vijay,

UberNinja

,

Lastsurvivor

(2) Vijay -

Guy_Named_Riggs

, Arugula
(1) drmyshotgun -

dicknose

(1)

Guy_Named_Riggs

- RachMarie

Not voting(2/14)(

Metabot

, Phillamon)

Deadline

: June 20

Vote Count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch)

Not voting(12/12)(RachMarie,

UberNinja

, drmyshotgun, TheTrollie,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

, vijay2vasandani, Arugula,

Jal

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

,

BK201

, Luckyjt, Phillammon)

:

Deadline

: July 12

Vote Count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch)
(1)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- vijay
(1) Phillammon - Luckyjt

Not voting(10/12)(RachMarie,

UberNinja

, drmyshotgun, TheTrollie,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

, Arugula,

Jal

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

,

BK201

, Phillammon)

:

Deadline

: July 12

Vote Count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch)

(3) Phillammon - Luckyjt, Arugula, TheTrollie

(1)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- vijay
(1) RachMarie -

Jal

Not voting(8/12)(RachMarie,

UberNinja

, TheTrollie,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

,

BK201

, Phillammon, drmyshotgun)

:

Deadline

: July 12

Vote Count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch)

(3) Phillammon - Luckyjt, Arugula, TheTrollie

(1)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- vijay
(1) RachMarie -

Jal

(1) drmyshotgun -

UberNinja

Not voting(6/12)(RachMarie,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

,

Guy_Named_Riggs

,

BK201

, Phillammon, drmyshotgun)

:

Deadline

: July 12

Vote Count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch)

(2) Phillammon - Luckyjt, TheTrollie
(2)

UberNinja

-

BK201

, Vijay
(2)

BK201

-

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

, RachMarie

(1)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- vijay
(1) RachMarie -

Jal

(1)

Jal

- Arugula

Not voting(4/12)(

Guy_Named_Riggs

, Phillammon, drmyshotgun,

UberNinja

)

:

Deadline

: July 12

Vote Count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch)

(3) Phillammon - Luckyjt, TheTrollie, Arugula

(2)

UberNinja

-

BK201

, Vijay
(2)

BK201

-

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

, RachMarie
(1)

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

- drmyshotgun
(1) Arugula -

Jal

(1) Luckyjt -

UberNinja

Not voting(2/12)(

Guy_Named_Riggs

, Phillammon)

:

Deadline

: July 12

Vote Count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch)

(3) Phillammon - Luckyjt, TheTrollie, Arugula
(3) Luckyjt -

UberNinja

, drmyshotgun, Phillamon

(2)

Guy_Named_Riggs

- RachMarie, drmyshotgun
(2)

UberNinja

-

BK201

, Vijay
(1)

BK201

-

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

(1) Arugula -

Jal

Not voting(1/12)(

Guy_Named_Riggs

)

:

Deadline

: July 12

Vote Count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch)

(6) Phillammon - TheTrollie, Arugula, drmyshotgun, Vijay, Luckyjt,

Jal

(2) Luckyjt - drmyshotgun, Phillamon
(1)

Guy_Named_Riggs

- RachMarie
(1)

UberNinja

-

BK201

(1)

Jal

-

UberNinja

(1)

BK201

-

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

Not voting(1/12)(

Guy_Named_Riggs

)

:

Deadline

: July 12

Vote Count

(12 players alive = 7 to lynch)

(7) LYNCH -

Jal

-

UberNinja

, Arugula, RachMarie, drmyshotgun,

BK201

, Phillammon,

Kondi/OmNom/Potatoes

(4) Phillammon - TheTrollie, Vijay, Luckyjt,

Jal

Not voting(1/12)(

Guy_Named_Riggs

)

:

Deadline

: July 30

Vote Count

(10 players alive = 6 to lynch)

Not voting(10/10)(

Bitmap

,

UberNinja

, Arugula, RachMarie, drmyshotgun,

BK201

, Phillammon, TheTrollie, Vijay, Luckyjt)

:

Deadline

: July 12

Vote Count

(10 players alive = 6 to lynch)

(2) Luckyjt - Vijay,

BK201

(1)

Bitmap

- Arugula
(1) Arugula -

Bitmap

(1)

BK201

-

UberNinja

Not voting(5/10)(Magua, RachMarie, Phillammon, Luckyjt, drmyshotgun)

:

Deadline

: July 30

[UberNinja]

I want to lynch Lucky. I don't think he's scum

, but he's claimed VT and that is literally good enough in my book.

The first problem with your post is that you'd rather lynch

someone you think is town

in order to higher the chances of lynching scum later Why the hell can't we just lynch scum right now?

It's this, Magua. This shit right here.

Here's the thing, UberNinja: If the doctor is not lynched today (and that won't happen if we lynch Lucky) and is not shot tonight (1/7 chance, minus the chance of either scum or doctor being jailkept), then the game is literally town autowin, to the point where I would just call it were I the mod.

The second problem with your post is that you are using fractions instead of scumhunting.

I simply can't be arsed to read a 60 page game that has a 6/7 chance of being autowin.

The third problem with your post is that you are attempting to change up the way we've been scumhunting perfectly successfully, in order to "auto-win", but you

haven't even read the fucking game.

Lynching Lucky, even if he's town, has a 0% chance of lynching the doctor. Lynching Vijay, say, who would be my next choice on the list of people not bussing Jal, has an equivalent chance of being the doctor as being scum. But it's just not worth it on the off chance that Vijay is the doctor.

The fourth problem of your post is that you are using percentages instead of, again,

reading the fucking game

.

Vijay is town, and I already know this for 99% fact. He's not going to be lynched today or any day, and I can provide plenty of reasons why.

Were I scum, I would've happily let you all go on with your "Let's not claim!" plan that you seemed intent on doing, because then it becomes possible to shoot the JK, which now that he's claimed it is not.

The doctor protecting me as I find scum after scum was a better idea than the doctor protecting a JK that's so far not proven his worth in any way, shape, or form, except for showing up and sending a night action (no offense, Bitmap).

[1] For the love of Christ, doctor, don't claim.

Obviously, not out of the blue. But here's a thought: why don't we scumhunt as normal, not lynching Lucky "because he's not the doc", and instead, lynching someone who might actually have a chance of being scum. Then, if it's the doc, they can claim, and if there's no counter-claim, they're confirmed town. Additionally, we'll get a whole bunch of new material to judge in terms of player content and forced stances, before we begin the process again with the next most likely scum, and work from there.

This exact process worked on Day 1 and Day 2, and I'll be damned if that's not exactly how we're going to do it today.

PEdit: Spoiler your IIoA, kthxbai.

No. That shit's useful.

And I thought you weren't reading the thread anyway.

[UberNinja]

Also, shouldn't've revealed your target, Bitmap.

Yes'm he should have.

Good, thanks for confirming me.

Also, shouldn't've revealed your target, Bitmap.

Why? You think the last scum will let Uber live just to kill me. They know the doc wont be on him, so why would they?

100% correct.

Er? What the fuck does Uber have to do with this? Did I miss something?

Yes, you probably missed the part where I found both scum on Day 1 and Day 2 and got them both lynched single-handedly while staving off countless stupid mislynches.

[UberNinja]

But then... you'd

know

that, if you'd read the game.

And honestly, Magua, if you're town, you really should go back and read the game. It's not a bad read after page 15 or so, and it might actually help you be of some use other than throwing logic at a problem and hoping it'll work sooner rather than later.

As for the rest of us however, we're going to finish this off the same way we've been doing it thus far, because it's been working fine.

I don't mean to be an asshole about it, but you're really throwing off my groove. I'm not working my ass off getting scum lynches so that some replacement, no matter who it is, can come in and fuck up our perfect record JUST because the game is basically broken at this point.

A shit-ton of time and effort on MY part went into making this game "basically broken", and you waltzing in here and standing on my shoulders trying to tell people how we should run things is kind of getting my goat.

So stfu for a bit and let me run things in the successful way I've been running them. kthxbai

[UberNinja]

P.S. My "IIoA" will become "VCA" later, when I have time to do it.

For now though, as I keep stressing, don't fucking lynch anybody.

Fuck.

[UberNinja]

Nothing's endangering anything, rofl

There are enough people confirmed town to me for the game to end tomorrow even if the doc is lynched today and the JK is killed tonight, lol

Just shut up please

[UberNinja]

We already know scum is in here:

RachMarie
drmyshotgun
Magua/TheTrollie
vijay2vasandani
Arugula
Luckyjt
Phillammon

I have very,

very

good reasons to believe that at least 4 of those are town (not saying which).

The one I was least sure about being town was TheTrollie/BK, and BK is now confirmed town.

Do you think I'm town?

This statement doesn't feel right. I don't like it because town-Magua at this point should be saying that he is town, not asking the most influential town player if they think he's town. That's something scum like to do; test to see what people think of themselves -- NOT what people think of others. So, why do you ask, Magua?

Also, as I explained earlier, what Magua's doing is exactly what scum replacing into the Trollie slot would (and should) do.

I can't shake the feeling Magua is scum. And his attitude isn't doing wonders to help that out either.

Vote: Magua

[UberNinja]

I would like everyone's thoughts about Magua's actions so far.

ISO him and get back to me please.

[UberNinja]

If you're town, why are you getting an attitude? Why aren't you willing to help?

I guess I just really don't understand your overall level of snark, Magua.

[UberNinja]

I see it much differently, obviously. I think your actions are possibly scum-motivated. I need to re-read Trollie.

Have you even ISO'd the scum yet, Magua? If you haven't, stop complaining that I want you to read things.

[UberNinja]

First off: Yes, it was the right choice to end the game. Letting it go on past that mod error where scum was confirmed town would have fucked everything up beyond repair.

Secondly: TOLD YOU FUCKERS IT WAS BK

Holy shit, I was so fucking confused when Bitmap cleared him.
My reads on everyone were totally shook up when he revealed that.
Glad to know I wasn't totally off. I didn't want to lynch anyone else at that point and I got a little pissy at Magua because I didn't like being wrong* about something.

Let's shake hands Magua, your way was theoretically foolproof, I just didn't like you coming in and ruffling my feathers and changing up all my hard work thus far. Our ways of accomplishing a win were both effective, unfortunately they were just both mutually exclusive as well.

Re: mod errors... Chrimi made a few too many for my taste buuuut... I mostly forgive him, just like I mostly forgave Rach last time, because I realize he was excited to run this game and may have gotten ahead of himself... especially given that LS, Metabot, AND Rach all had the same roles as last time we were all together. And I think I only made it worse by being just as accurate as I was last game

Rach, you are completely forgiven for N1206 now, and thought I realize you were making up for past "sins", I still forgive you entirely <3
And speaking of Rach being doc again: holy shit, did anyone else catch the

obvobvobv

doc-crumbs she was dropping all game? lol

I had a lot of fun this game, and I would play with all of you again except [redacted].

*still right!

[UberNinja]

For what it's worth, Kondi and OmNom (happy scumday btw, Om! <3) were my strongest town read through much of the game, and they were an excellent choice for a night kill.

I think both of them deserve more credit than they were given in the scum QT. And perhaps I don't deserve so much as I was given (though, arguing with results is hard in hindsight, etc). But the point is, this game wasn't just a thing where I came in and did my thing and people got lynched and they flipped scum like I said they would. Not at all.

This game was very much a team effort, and I obviously couldn't have done alone. Without everyone in this game participating the way they did, things could have ended up much differently. I was very pleased at how people acted rationally for the most part, and didn't eat each other alive like the scum predicted we would in their QT. A lot of the predictions they made about this game were wrong, not the least of which was the dynamics with how useful in scumhunting people were overall. I think everyone did very well in this game, even the scum we caught. Unfortunately there were just more town around than scum, and good play multiplies itself from player to player almost as well as bad or harmful play does.

I learned a lot from this game, and from now on I'll be playing games a bit differently than I have before, including less trolling of people who are easy to bait, more willing to coexist with other strong personalities, more helpful in a general sense (sometimes I just get that "ugh I hate this game and I don't really want to play" attitude, and that never helps anyone), and probably a little more polite overall as well.

Re: Magua's strategy, I think it was sound in principle, but I would have preferred obviously to continue the way we had been. Now that I think about it in hindsight though, if I had replaced into a situation like he did, I probably would have handled the situation the same way he did: "What are the actions I can take that ensure the highest probability of winning this game, with the least amount of effort on my part?" And that's exactly what he did. Please forgive my attitude towards that, Magua (and everyone really). I would have likely done something similar (Chrimi and drmyshotgun know that from Open 398... sorry again, guys).

Chrimi, I know you said in the scum QT that you used random.org to determine roles (nifty site, btw), but what in the HELL possessed you not to re-roll after getting the same roles? I certainly would have, even if only to squelch the WIFOM during post-game. And if you never told anybody you re-rolled, nobody would ever know. Of course, re-rolling until you get what you want is a slippery slope, etc, but still. WTF haha

Also, BK, I have played exactly this way a lot in the past, as you should be able to tell from reading your buddies' posts in the scum QT. How dare you accuse me of copying somebody else's style. I wanted to reach through the screen and strangle you when you said that, but it becomes clearer now that I know you were scum and were just grasping at straws trying to get me mislynched.

And last but not least: for anyone who is interested, I scumhunted in this game almost entirely by using associative tells. If you want to know more, PM me.

[UberNinja]

I loved your white knighting of me though.

So did I. That's the main reason I knew he was town.

Uber, sorry. Well played.

I was right about LS and Jal though XD

Okay.

[UberNinja]

Well, on the brighter side, you just broke your 10-game losing streak! Congrats!


Now that I've thought about it again, I'm not sure that mod error should result in everyone winning. Town clearly outplayed scum, and if the kill had not gone through, BK would surely have been lynched. Both kondi and I had him as our main suspect, and the no-kill along with the jail result would have meant a perfect 3 for 3 scum lynches.

However...

CHRIMI OUR MOD IS A GRACIOUS MOD. ALL HAIL CHRIMI

[UberNinja]

Booo, I thought this game was special.