Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

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Howdy.

I see my slot has been particularly useful

Not yet read the thread, will do so this evening.

In the meantime everyone who's scum?

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From the top things that jumped out. I tend to go through things chronologically so it may not make sense - it helps me though. So you'll have to like it and lump it.


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- Why are you trying to shut down RVS, the stage where we try to start discussion and get reactions going?

Shutting down RVS is a good thing. No? Panda strikes me as townish first few pages.

The Acting Method is acting all defensive 38 and 42. Wittering on about policy lynches when no-one is advocating that.

Soben 91 - sums up the first few pages nicely.

Shotgun's 97. Strikes me as odd. Andrew has said zip all. Absta is a bit scummy. Duplicity who? is not that shady. McStab looks scummy for having only one post. All very wishy-washy. Though in his defence he does like to give out reads and the like on most of the town. Not the tunnelling Shotgun.

Potack 102. Strikes me as picking as many holes in a post as possible. Way OTT.

Techno comments on claims and opening pages, tends to ignore the rest of the stuff, particularly Pot's push at Bork. Defends Venmar.

Shotgun feels town to me 121 - albeit I don't agree with all of it and there's a fair bit of fluff, it feels genuine. Albeit sounds rather defeatist. No beef with 126 from Potack

Venmar pops in says nothing but defends himself.

Slip of the tongue?

Ven proceeds to post a load of fluff.

Luckily for you i also played as scum there

Absta also contributes nothing.

McStab points out the Venmar possible slip. Glad I'm not the only one. I like his 144. Bork's 145 strikes me OMGUSSY.

Venmar's 150 feels off. TAM posts a load of fluff about lynching lurkers and mafia discussion. Defends Venmar. Possible scum trio Venmar, TAM, Tech.

Tech 158 attacks Shotgun, defends Venmar. 161 is worse - why should the below worry you Tech? Town have arguments between themselves all the time.

The only thing that worries me is if this is town on town.

Where's Psyche's thread on flailing.

Drmy looks like flailing scum not sure how to get pressure off him.

Wouldn't mind Bork elaborating on his scum reads in 178. They are reasonable though.
Om/Potato also sticks up for Venmar. I don't see any evidence of town Venmar here.

Tech again sticks up for Venmar 195.

Why just these two, meh?

I read over most of the thread and Andrew is coming off as sketchy to me, but that may just be because of how plays and how it irritates me. Other than that i will read into Shotgun a little bit more and see what's up with him. I am feeling very lazy as of late though, i will muster up the determination to make some kind of a post about Shotgun or Andrew in a bit.

Absta continues to be useless. Chrimi contributes nothing. Acting Method also remains useless. Just post theoretical posts from time to time.

The Potato/Shotgun argument bored me.

239 really bugs me again from Tech. I know you may be mates and what not - but it just seems you seem overly gutted.

Bork is townish. 243 is good.
Chrimi's reads in 285 are pretty dreadful. Doesn't elaborate on anything bar Shotty wanting to replace out. 12 pages? Almost like you can't be bothered. I disagree with 299 also I don't think TAM has been doing any scum hunting whatsoever.

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To sum up.

Scummy - Techno, RainbowDash - purely due to Venmar, VisceraEyes - purely due to Absta, TAM, Chrimi, not overly happy with the Potato slot neither.
Townish - Shotgun, Panda, Andrew, McStab, Soben, Bork.

No null reads is odd

Will be ISOing my scum suspects before voting.

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Edit - May change opinion on Viscera due to catch up post.

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VOTE: TeChNoWC

I get a big scum vibe from Tech.

No evidence of scum hunting. Tunnelling on Shotgun but seems to be sheeping Potato. Constantly defends Venmar who seems scummy to me. I have read a few of Ven's games but player's meta change from game to game and Tech seems to be basing his whole play on meta and not this actual game.


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Haha, just seen you post above. Will comment shortly.

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328 is extremely defensive considering I hadn't actually voted you at the time.

I'm aware of your scum game more than your town game yes. But one game I was killed about a day after you replaced in and another was the newbie game where you were cooked basically.

As far as Venmar goes I have a scum read on him and part of it is based on meta and part of it is based in this game. Your defence of him strikes me as seriously odd.

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You don't usually play like this and that makes me think scum.

How do I usually play?

Calling someone scum for defending a scumread is BAD play, and scum do that. Calling someone scummy looking for defending a scumread? Thats fine. What bothers me though is, why not vote Venmar then?

I'm not just calling you scum for defending a scum read though. It's not just your constant defence of Venmar. It's the weak attacks on Shotgun with no real reason, sheeping Potato. It's the lack of comment on most of the game and 75% of the players. I'd happily vote either you or Venmar tell you the truth - but with Venmar replacing out more chance of getting a reaction from you. Which you've obliged with. I'd add I have no problem with people defending people. I don't see it as a scum read, but I do feel your basing your whole defence on Venmar on meta and not this actual game. I know the other game is probably on-going but which one is it?

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edit have just seen other posts will catch up when get chance working all night so will be sporadic.

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I simply cannot explain my reasons for defending Venmar. They are tied up in another game.

The only thing that strikes me as odd is that I know Venmar likes playing town more than scum (its on his wiki).

Which makes me think it's POSSIBLE he is scum since he replaced out

, but other things for me suggest otherwise.

Backtrack ahoy!!

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Don't get me wrong Tech I accept people to have strong town-reads in a setup like this, but what I don't like is the fact that bar the Shotgun sheeping you don't seem to be actively hunting scum.

As for my meta. Your widely mistaken. I just lost a game in lylo as town because I was too determined in my reads and pidgeon holed a newb as town who got lynched as town. People's meta changes - it can be used obviously but at the same time what's happening in this game is more important.

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I've no completed games as scum.

1333 Italy is ongoing but I was lynched as scum, otherwise cannot help you.

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I'd be content with a Rainbow push. Not saying I'm done with Tech by any means but Venmar was just as scummy - fluff posting, scum slipping, RVS question, lack of scum hunting, flaking etc

VOTE: RainbowDash

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VOTE: Soben

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Ha painful read!

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It's mostly for pressure now. I still want an explanation for his posts.

I'll probably end up voting Rainbowdash or TAM.

And Code_X, who/what was that directed to?

TAM.

These IIOA's are fluff made to look useful. I can go over every post if needs be but I'd rather pull out all the hair from my head. It adds nothing.

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Viscera is pretty townish also, like his posts since replacing in.

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Hi guys, just a quick post to say I'm currently getting pissed. Will catch up sat/sun. Posting in this game is insane!

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Going to be tomorrow before I can post properly, just checking phone.

Tech you we're saying about your town read on Ven?

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No reasons to disbelieve the masons.

My other town reads now are Soben, Panda, VE, Argula.

Chrimi/Tech goes tomorrow.

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Go Tech explain.

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I won't be voting rainbow today, because:
1. This is his town meta
2. I'm getting the same hardcore town reads off of him that I did in our other game
3. There are much more scummier people lurking around

Kind of damning.

Vote Chrimi

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Cool beans a pro-town Tech is much better than a scum Tech.

Chrimi has to be today's lynch purely through PoE, his defence of RBD, lack of scum hunting, general play.

Town reads on the masons, panda, mcstab, ve, arg.

I need to rethink shotgun. Think he's town so that leaves chrimi, potato.

Simple.

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Essentially because I listened to Soben. Plus I'd explained why I felt Venmar was scummy I wasn't too bothered which one of you I voted initially.

Had a town read on Bork and RBD's push against Argula strikes me as an unlikely bus, especially because scum Chrimi hopped on.

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Potato why you so oblivious to Chrimi?

I doubt McStab is scum based on 144

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Code, do you think Chrimi's read on RBD was too blatant/a case of bias? Did he mention RBD at any other point than the post you quoted?

Nope. I think Chrimi was defending RBD purely because he/she didn't think she'd be lynched. I'd ISO Chrimi but you also can - likewise reading RBD helps draw parallels. I will whack a bigger post up when I get to a PC, its a pain in the neck doing so on phone.

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If I was scum, I obviously would not have defended rbi because it would be an obvious scum buddy tell. If I were scum, I would bus all the way- I suggest you meta my scum games.

I suggest you start coming up with better explanations.

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Well your obviously a terrible player then!

Let's ignore the flip. Who's scum?

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Meh do answer the second question. Sheeping VE doesn't make your position any better.

Your defence of Vemnar/RBD was ridicoulous. Now she's flipped scum your somewhat tainted by association, your day one play on the whole points to you being scum and what with three pretty cleared masons and three/four other pretty strong town reads by process of elimination your hanging.

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Why would I ignore the flip? It includes good info that can lead to scum.

Go on then use the flip.

Using the flip btw pretty much implicates you as scum.

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Being as two masons weren't even on RBD. Helluva lot of bussing going on ...

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Logic?

Logic dictates your scum.

Do enlighten us with your reads though.

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I mean Chirmi has jumped on Andrew/Shotgun/McStab but hasn't stated a single mention or read of Venmar/Rainbow and neither of Rainbow/Venmar stated a read or anything about Chrimi in fact Rainbow has thrown him at the end of his 'want to lynch' pool with no reasoning attached to it whatsoever. The connection between those and TAM work perfectly as a scum-team plus individually they're all incredibly scummy.

The lynch should be in one of them 3 today, not McStab or Tech or any stupid other wagon.

Dead people always say it better.

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Chrimis reads in #285 don't read as genuine scumhunting at all, in fact it's rather just 'lump random people in town and say shotgun is scum' and when questioning about the reasoning behind some of the reads he blatantly bullshitted. Also he doesn't actually vote his one scum-read at all, just stands back, then jumps on Andrew to move to McStab later on - both of them were popularish votes at the time and come across as opportunistic voting.

Also I can see him working very well with RBD as scum - both of them haven't commented on or read the other.

I'm going to sheep Soben today.

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Tech's reads are incredibly shit. Shitter than even Potack's have been so far this game which is going some!

No way on earth would scum RBD and scum Chrimi both attempt to divert attention on to Arugula. Likewise I'd find it hard coming from my own situation for scum Arugula to buss both dead scum as hard as he did. McStab voted both scum also so he seems town to me and the fact he appeared as a counter-wagon for RBD day one feels the spot is town. Potack is dieing at some stage purely because he's ignored two dead scum lynches.

TAM - can you explain that again? Did Tech think I just bussed the hell out of Chrimi day two?

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@ TAM - Nah not oddly defensive just trying to make him see the error of his ways.

So Chrimi scum was sheeping Tech because he had a town read on Venmar scum. Then because I said Venmar was scum he started sheeping me (which he didn't really all he said was I may be town after Soben posted something). Odd. Never mind I guess he cannot explain it thoroughly.

Did Tech say anything about VE/Potack?

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Just for visibility end of day wagons.

RainbowDash

(7): Lynch - Code_X, VisceraEyes, RedPanda,

Soben

, Drmyshotgun,

RainbowDash

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TeChNoWC

Chrimi

(2) -

The Acting Method

, Arugula
Arugula (2) -

RainbowDash, Chrimi

McStab (1) - Potack-Ruv
VisceraEyes (1) -

Andrew94

Chrimi

(5): L-1 - Code_X, Drmyshotgun, RedPanda, McStab, Arugula,

The Acting Method

McStab (1) - Potack-ruv
Drmyshotgun (1) - VisceraEyes

Not voting:

TeChNoWC

, McStab,

Chrimi

,

andrew94

Code, Panda, Shotgun - on two scums. The greatest scum bussers on earth may I remind you
Note, I will look at additional posts and times people joined the wagons.

Arugula - voted for by two scums - voted scum twice. RBD came out and attacked Arugula more than anyone.

McStab - last vote on day one was for Potack seems to have been missed by the mod in final VC. Then votes scum.

Was also a rival wagon to both scums on day one. VC 1.13 - FOS for Shotgun, Potato.

Chrimi (3) - The Acting Method, Soben, Arugula
McStab (3) - Drmyshotgun, Potack-Ruv, Chrimi
RainbowDash (2) - Code_X, VisceraEyes

The fact McStab pulled up the scum slip in 144 also strikes me as him being very town. He's more town than the masons in my eyes at this point.

Soben had a town read on Potato which is the one thing holding me back there. Potato is my gut final scum mind. Though I'm blinkered perhaps due to his pretty terrible reads/votes so far.

I need to read back interactions with dead scums and Potato, VE, Shotgun. I've no interest in a Panda lynch.

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Om - you got a scum game I can read anywhere?

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I'm going to refrain from commenting until the other head of the hydra of the pops up.

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Panda is a big town read of mine - Om you seem to think bussing two scum in two days is optimal scum play! If you're town which I'm undecided on you need to stop tunnelling and using mega caps and the like. Pretty much like you have done all game and sit back - read, think logically, let AC post his thoughts.

If it comes to deciding between Panda and Om. I'll be voting the latter 100 times out of 100.

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825 is the scum by the way. That post is fucking horrible.

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I AM ACTUALLY GOING AGAINST EVERYONE AND TRYING TO GET MY SCUMREAD LYNCHED, INSTEAD OF JUST VOTING WITH EVERYONE ELSE.

There's a flaw to this though Om. You did this last two day phases and we lynched two scum.

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I wasn't on EITHER scum lynches

Really?

Best you check.

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Yeah I was on Rd. Is that the reason my post is "the scum"?

Nah, more so the fact your appealing to emotion that everyone thinks your a universal town read and you've been scum-hunting, when you don't actually know what the other members think. Andrew for instance proven town thought you were scum yesterday. You didn't exactly cover yourself in glory with the Chrimi lynch neither by going after Shotgun and Asbta strikes me as Venmar type flaking scum.

As it goes I don't like your push on Panda neither.

The choice simply is Potato (post less Om, lets hear from Ac) or VE in my opinion.

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Now, I don't know if it's relevant, but while listing off DO NO KILL, the only people mentioned who aren't mason-claims are myself, RP, MS and Potato. I'd have to say that at least one of that list is scum. Of the list, I'd say Potato is my favorite for scum.

That VC is wrong Morton. Shotgun is missing.

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Fuck knows why that link is in there either. How odd.

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Actually thinking about it, a post I'd written then deleted must not have removed the quote.

VE - that 635 since then you've ignored Potato. Why is that?

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Didn't say that did I?

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VE - voting two scum helps.

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At this point we have a number of mis-lynches we can use before the scum win.

Perhaps we should work on a basis of town reads and go from there.

As it goes I'm good with a Potato or a VE lynch. Everyone else I'm reading as town.

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VOTE: Potack-ruv

I'm tired of this bullshit.

I'm 50/50 over Potato or VE but the constant cries for meta are pissing me off.

Panda is town. Deal it with Om.

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Why don't you try reading my meta? Why is Panda town?

Your meta funnily enough was the reason I didn't come out at the start of the day voting you. I'm aware of your playstyle and by gut - which isn't always right - but you just seem to have gone completely mental over Panda purely because he suspects you. Sometimes you have to see the game from other people's point of view.

As for Panda. He started the game actively scum hunting, he's been looking for town reads and expressed them, which in a game like this is just as important. He's been key in lynching two scums in two days and I know bussing is the rage but seriously the last scum isn't going to bus neither of his partners that crazily. Especially when RBD effectively gave up so there was no reason for the scum to bus her. I agree with a lot of his thoughts. Albeit I do think he's got carried away in this argument with you which has somewhat taken over.

I'd rather get a 100% win in this game also and if you're town Om you need to perhaps read the game and not play purely on gut.

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Unvote

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He started the game actively scumhunting. Has he continued to do so?

Yep.

I've been expressing my reads, haven't I?

Yep despite them being pretty shocking. Not suggesting you haven't been expressing reads - in the context of the game they've been bad ones.

So you agree with his thoughts, why does that make him town?

Because I'm town. I agree with a lot he says. I can see a lot of things he says as being things I'd say as such he's town.

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You say he's 100% scum but in all honesty your whole case boils down to a large dollop of angry OMGUS.

And Panda makes a pretty decent case for having you lynched. Just nagging at me that VE is the final scum.

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Shame on you. Shame on you fuckers.
Om, what the fuck?
RedPanda, WHAT THE FUCK.
Everyone on Panda wagon. Shame on you. You guys are retarded to have lynched one of the better players in this game.

Om. You promised us your death. You are going to get it.

This.

That was the biggest wall of shit I've ever read.

Town reads on Shotgun, Arugula, McStab. The town need to lynch one of VE/Potato tomorrow. Otherwise we will lose this fucking game.

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And the masons are fucking inept.

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If RP flips town, then I'm confident in VE being scum.

Although actually, I wouldn't be surprised if McStab is scum, considering he's been lurking for a long time.

McStab is town stop lining up lynches.

You die tomorrow.

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For the record, my stance is the same. RP flips town, Potato dies.

Mind VE is likely the scum.

Potato is just a clown.

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If only Soben was alive we wouldn't have to put up with this shit.

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Painful.

Fucking painful.

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Why would the retard mason die? Between the two TAM was obviously the better shot...

Why?

He was the one who suspected you.

Surprising eh.

I could live with a Potato lynch in all honesty. His behaviour yesterday was

childish

to put it mildly.

But, you VE were egging him on and with a couple of mis-lynches left I have no problem with you going first.

VOTE: VisceraEyes

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Just because I was here and interacting with them does NOT mean I was egging him on Code.

You chose the side of someone who actively avoided two scum lynches to someone who actively pushed two scum lynches.

Not a redeeming quality.

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RP's dying wish was death for me/Potack. You're choosing the side of someone who's actively avoided two scum lynches to someone who's actively pushed one.

You pushed RBD? Hello!

In 825 you said you weren't even on the RBD lynch.

You ignored the Chrimi wagon going after Shotgun.

And yesterday you hopped on board the most obvious townie ever in Red Panda.

No today your lynching.

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RP's dying wish was death for me/Potack

Why are you not voting Potato?

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don't fucking worry about my vote?

I'm not.

Fortunately we don't need your input.

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Hmm .. I need to re-read.

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Potato or Shotgun.

Arugula and McStab are town. I'm pretty confident of that.

The McStab wagon appeared on day one in competition to the Rainbow/Chrimi lynches.

Chrimi (3) - The Acting Method, Soben, Arugula
McStab (3) - Drmyshotgun, Potack-Ruv, Chrimi
RainbowDash (2) - Code_X, VisceraEyes

McStab pulled out the slip on Venmar.

Arugula - his voting and general game seems town. Plus RBD came out gins blazing for him. Plus he's been on two scum wagons and not on two town wagons.

Potato - pretty obvious. Being on two townie lynches. Not lynching two scum. Creating that McStab wagon.

Shotgun - is the fly in the ointment. But gut, votes, 51 pages says it's Potato.

VOTE: Potack-Ruv.

I should have listened to Panda yesterday.

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Woah!

Um yeah. Hmm .... crazy game.

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I'm about 90% confident. Which is probably as good as it would have got even with pages of posts.

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If Potack isn't scum then well I give up.

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Ill be reading tonight as in 12 hours.

Out with the kids all day.

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Guys you got any games as scum on site?

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Also need to read a few of Rainbow's games so it may be a while before I make a decision either way.

I will be posting some initial thoughts later.

Anything you both want to ask me please fire away also.

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Shotgun!

Hence the night kill makes no sense to me. I'd have voted Shotty on gut today.

I've not suspected neither of you really. Both of you I've had town for a long while. Problem since the Chrimi lynch which I need to review is thhat Potato and Panda then took over.

Re-reading now.

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Just purely going to dump thoughts. Won't make much sense. Sorry about that, but it's the easiest way for me to make sense of things whilst reading back.

This votecount was in 464 with RBD leading the way.

RainbowDash

(3) - Code_X,

Soben, VisceraEyes

Andrew94

(2) -

Chrimi,

Arugula

VisceraEyes (1) - RedPanda
Soben (1) - andrew94
The Acting Method (1) - Drmyshotgun

Code_X (1) -

TechnoWC

TechnoWC (1) - Potack-Ruv

Arugula (1) -

RainbowDash

Drmyshotgun (1) - The Acting Method

Not Voting: McStab

Potack votes Andrew 469
McStab votes Andrew 471

So the Andrew wagon then goes above RBD scum.

RainbowDash

(3) - Code_X,

Soben, VisceraEyes

Andrew94 (4) -

Chrimi

, Arugula,

Potack

, McStab

VisceraEyes (1) - RedPanda
Soben (1) - andrew94
The Acting Method (1) - Drmyshotgun

Code_X (1) -

TechnoWC

Arugula (1) -

RainbowDash

Drmyshotgun (1) - The Acting Method

And looks a viable alternative to the scum wagon.

Shotgun votes McStab in 476
Potack votes McStab in 490
McStab unvotes in 495 - after the mason claim.

Knowing that Om was town. I really need to look back over his argument with McStab top of page 21.

RainbowDash

(3) - Code_X,

Soben, VisceraEyes

Andrew94 (2) -

Chrimi

, Arugula
McStab (2) -

Shotgun, Potack

VisceraEyes (1) - RedPanda
Soben (1) - andrew94

Code_X (1) -

TechnoWC

Arugula (1) -

RainbowDash

Drmyshotgun (1) - The Acting Method

Not Voting - McStab

The McStab wagon is rising up against the RBD scum wagon and the Andrew wagon evaporates following the claim.

McStab votes Potack in 503. Which is a massive wall and again I need to re-read.

Potack confirms vote.
TAM votes McStab in 512
Chrimi votes McStab in 513 - Only time during the game Chrimi commented at McStab.

VOTE: McStab
Please don't rage D:

"Don't rage" - why would you say that? Rhetorical question.


Vote count then was.

RainbowDash

(3) - Code_X,

Soben, VisceraEyes

Andrew94

(1) - Arugula
McStab (4) -

Shotgun, Potack, TAM,

Chrimi

Potack

(1) - McStab

VisceraEyes (1) - RedPanda
Soben (1) - andrew94

Code_X (1) -

TechnoWC

Arugula (1) -

RainbowDash

Drmyshotgun (1) - The Acting Method

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TAM then votes Chrimi in 532

RBD's post in 533 - has McStab in the town corner.

Yeah if last mason is lynchbait we can just claim and break this.

andrew
TAM (told you he was prob town)
other mason
MS
VE
potato (probably)

* Must remind myself to look at what Soben thinks of Arugula.

The 'no lynch' list should be; Andrew, TAM, VE, Code_X, Tech, Potak and McStab/Panda just behind those.

Soben votes Chrimi.
Arugula's 541 is another post I've got to re-read. Defends himself against RBD. FOS's McStab. Votes TAM, then Votes Shotgun. Is also fine with a Chrimi lynch.
Soben then says if your fine with a Chrimi lynch join us 542. Arugula does in 545
RBD is hard-core bussing Arugula if Arg is scum. Must read a RBD scum game.

Votecount at the time.

Chrimi

(3) -

The Acting Method, Soben

, Arugula
McStab (3) -

Drmyshotgun, Potack-Ruv

,

Chrimi

RainbowDash

(2) - Code_X,

VisceraEyes

VisceraEyes (1) - RedPanda
Soben (1) - andrew94

Code_X (1) -

TechnoWC

Arugula (1) -

RainbowDash

Potack-Ruv

(1) - Mcstab

So Arugula is on scum. Code is on scum. McStab is on Potack.
RBD scum is voting Arugula. Chrimi scum is voting McStab

Pretty much every post RBD has on page.23 is critical of Arg.

McStab's 572 has both RBD and Chrimi in the scum pile - only two people as it goes, he unvotes Potack.

Arugula attacks the stronger of the scum pair in my eyes in RBD -if you were scum with RBD and Chrimi - no offence to Chrimi but you'd rather keep RBD alive, but keeps his vote on the weaker of the scum pair in Chrimi. Which I don't like so much.

I actually think Rainbowdash is more likely scum than Chrimi because Rainbowdash keeps talking about mislynching Chrimi when there is zero evidence of Chrimi town. Seriously, I can't find a townie post by Chrimi.

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Panda votes RBD in 588
Chrimi then votes Arugula in 589. Which considering he was voting McStab is interesting.
Soben votes RBD
Shotgun votes RBD

Votecount 1.14

RainbowDash

(5): L-2 - Code_X,

VisceraEyes, RedPanda, Soben, Drmyshotgun

Chrimi (2)

-

The Acting Method

, Arugula
Arugula (2) -

RainbowDash, Chrimi

McStab (1) -

Potack-Ruv

VisceraEyes

(1) -

Andrew94

Code_X (1) -

TechnoWC

McStab doesn't appear in the VC which is a pain. But he's not voting anyone after the unvote in 572.
Both dead scum are voting Arugula. Which feels like a desperate counterwagon.

RBD self votes in 629. Tech hammers.
Neither McStab nor Arugula comment post RBD claiming scum.

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Want to read the day 2 and then also read back and see how I feel about Bork prior to Arugula's replacement. More shortly.

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Right moving on Day 2 ...

Code votes Chrimi 652
Potack votes Tech 653

Tech asks me why a town-read on Arg. The below is my response.

Had a town read on Bork and RBD's push against Argula strikes me as an unlikely bus, especially because scum Chrimi hopped on.

The Tech/Potato spat is pointless.

Shotgun votes Chrimi.
Potack votes McStab - I say he's not based on 144. Must review that post.
Panda votes Chrimi.
McStab votes Chrimi in 682. At this point with Chrimi at lynch -3 I doubt it matters either way the last scum probably knows Chrimi is a goner based on Day one and his defence of RBD.
McStab does say a few other things though which interest me mainly

Almost certainly town:
Arugula - Targeted RainbowDash hard, I have a strong gutread as town, and RainbowDash attacked him in a way that really doesn't look like scumbuddies bussing each other

And setting up Potato for tomorrow's lynch.

We lynch Chrimi today, and assuming he flips scum, Potack tomorrow

Arugula votes Chrimi in 684. Lynch-1 again. Scum at this point have to bus him. Both Arg and McStab neither as scum can avoid the Chrimi wagon.

Viscera votes Shotgun. And this alone with Chrimi at lynch-1 was why I then started looking back at VE in following days. Yeah, he was town but that vote at the time really bugged me.

Chrimi calls out Arg in 699. Doesn't comment on the votes from Shotgun, Panda and McStab.

The VC is pretty pointless as whoever is the scum is bussing.

Chrimi (5)

: L-1 - Code_X,

Drmyshotgun, RedPanda

, McStab, Arugula
McStab (1) -

Potack-ruv
Drmyshotgun (1) - VisceraEyes

Not voting:

TeChNoWC, The Acting Method

,

Chrimi,

andrew94

Andrew votes VE. Ignores the Chrimi wagon.
TAM hammers Chrimi.

The really fucked up thing is Chrimi didn't vote anyone. There was a little bit of interaction with myself and Arg, Panda. That was it.

Day 2 doesn't really tell us much.

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Running out of time this morning, but Day 3 quickly.

Then will look at the start of the game and remaining days. Before looking at each and every player in isolation. Dead town reads are gold.

Tech's last thoughts.

FOS: Arugula, Code_X, Potack-ruv, McStab

TAM includes McStab.

Reasons Tech suspected me and Arg

Code is because of Chrimi's behavior towards him and code, how originally Chrimi was sheeping Tech (because of RDtown read, Shotgun scum read) then switched when Tech suspected Code and sheeped Code = Town.

I'm not sure on the logic behind Arugula as that wasn't explained, If Tech had not died tonight he would not have been listed.

My response is somewhat amusing considering our situation

No way on earth would scum RBD and scum Chrimi both attempt to divert attention on to Arugula. Likewise I'd find it hard coming from my own situation for scum Arugula to buss both dead scum as hard as he did. McStab voted both scum also so he seems town to me and the fact he appeared as a counter-wagon for RBD day one feels the spot is town.

Shotgun votes Potack
Says this about Arg

CHrimi and RBD both attacked Arugula. He is Town.

Panda votes Potack.

The Panda v Potato argument remains fucking painful.

TAM votes Panda.

Panda outlines reads in 813.

code x - solid town read

mcstab - caught the venmar slip.

arugula - rainbowdash refused to bus chrimi. I doubt he bussed arugula.

VE votes Panda. Again from my own personal view it made sense post Panda lynch and avoidance of Chrimi at lynch-1 why VE was scum, obviously he wasn't but that's why I thought he was.

Arg and McStab have yet to really comment in the middle of this shit-storm. Not that I blame either of them.

883 feels very town to me though.

The more pages of the Panda/Potato argument I read, the more I feel like slitting my throat.

Panda in 1005 says if Om flips town he's going to campaign for Arugula lynch and again in 1111
Says McStab is town in 1123

Panda ends up lynched.
Arg appears says what was all the nonsense.
McStab didn't post once all day.

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Day 4 - VE gets lynched in no time. Arg and McStab neither post during the actual day only twilight.
In twilight Arg says "did we win" and that Shotgun is town based on the NK or something.
McStab says if VE is town, then Potato dies tomorrow.

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Day 5 - even less talking
My game the last few days has been bad. I should learn to be less aggressive in situations - and play things slowly.

McStab - why not Shotgun? I don't understand this. Why could it not be him? The fact he is then dead worries me a lot.

If I'm wrong it's either Arugula or Code_X.

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Right, need to review the first 15 or so pages.
The RBD = Arugula argument.
Then players in isolation.

Sorry this is all one giant wall.

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Pages 1-15 - Bork is/was Arugula.

Bork 26 questions the vanilla claim. Calls Venmar out for being obtuse. Ven says are "you calling me dumb"
Potack calls Bork scum in 53
McStab yet to appear. Does so in 78. Answers TAM's RQS.
Soben comes in and puts down a meaningful vote on Venmar 91 - Bork/McStab neither really contributing. Though Mcwhathisname who I replaced was even worse.

Potato as per normal dominating proceedings ....

Bork still hasn't posted again by the time McStab posts 144. His second post and catch-up post.

The crux of his post was the Venmar slip

One thing I did notice, however small, is a potential slip of the tongue by Venmar:

"- There are probably a couple instances in games that i have ongoing, but if you want you can read Open 399, that is my latest completed game. Luckily for you i also played as scum there, so feel free to get some kind of a scum meta, but that was my first time playing as scum so i doubt it is as reliable."

Also? I don't think it really fits in the rest of the sentence, and could be a slip of the tongue pertaining to this game. I would like others views on this however, perhaps I am just putting the wrong emphasis on the wrong words when reading that, but it stuck out to me.

Now. Does a scum partner point this out to look good in case someone else spots it? Or does a scum partner want to ignore the slip.
He doesn't lay a vote down.

Bar that he is wishy-washy on TAM/Potato and then wants more from Andrew/Absta.

The other scum Chrimi is ignored.

Bork next post has Venmar as no #2 scum read

Regarding Venmar:
#23 is so derpy that I have no choice but to assume you're being intentionally obtuse, hence what I said in #26. You really think RedPanda is trying to "Shut down RVS" in the sense that he wants to stifle discussion? Really? You're probably my #2 right now.

Confirms vote against Potato.

Panda picks up on McStab's catching the Venmar slip and votes him.

Soben calls McStab 100% town in 148

Oh PS: McStab is pretty much 100% town. Hunting for slips in phrasing of words is something that I've done in most town games but never as scum and know a few others that work the same way making it an extremely strong town-tell, not just that but the fact that he asked for opinions rather than instantly voting along with it is a town-tell as scum could just easily use that sort of phrasing to justify throwing a vote down.

Few others chime in on the slip. Andrew says he has a town read on McStab.

Hmmm ....

I don't see anything scummy about the way Venmar phrased that particular statement.

174 from Bork - defends Shotgun against Potato. Soben calls Bork out in 176 and asks him to give reads.
Says top scum reads are Potato, Venmar, TAM in 178 and pretty much confirms his position on Potato.

The Om/Bork mini argument feels odd and pretty pointless. But every argument with Potato feels pointless.

Potato asks Panda if he's willing to join a Bork lynch.
Tech also calls out Bork in 195

Not being inquisitive at all. So bad points for Bork.

As far as Venmar, I don't see a lot of glaring similarities to his play here and in either his Town or Scum games. He's being much more inquisitive and less judgmental here than in either of the two completed games I looked at. My scum read on him came entirely from #23 in which I felt he was intentionally misunderstanding a pretty easy to interpret statement from Redpanda.

And votes VE (Abstas replacement) - Which feels off.

Soben has both Bork and McStab as town in 244

Panda hops on to the Absta replacement.

Bork replaces out. Potato shotgun have a little argument. Chrimi appears no one really says anything about this slot.

McStab has posted twice and not voted. Albeit he did call out the Venmar slip. Bork I'm somewhat in two minds about.

Chrimi's reads in 285 have Bork in the town pile. Says the below. Doesn't mention McStab.

What I read about bork when I read through the thread made him look very obvtown to me.

Says a little bit more about Bork after questioning from Potato.

After I read the thread and then ISO'd him... It's just a simple gutread. Everything he said seemed to make sense pretty well and seemed town-motivated.

303 bugs me. Chrimi has just said he had a town read on Bork. Then Tech says he finds Bork scummy and now he's going to sheep him and agree with him.

Bork's slot worries me because of his flip-flopping read on drmy, like he couldn't make up his mind whether to bus or protect his scumbuddy. Plus he seemed very concerned about the attention on drmy.

Looks like I"ll mostly be sheeping Techno. Except that Soben is town.

So the Bork town read lasted all of about one page.

RBD replaces Venmar.

322 is her first post. Ignores Bork.
Says McStab is solid town.

Arg replaces Bork. Want elaborate too much on his opening post. He says this about the slip.

McStab is town. His Venmar slip find was great, even if it isn't an actual slip (which I'm not sold on). I also thought I saw one too. Venmar said that the other game was his first time as scum. Personally, if I was only scum once, I would say my only time, not first time. It's not as good as McStab's find, but it stuck out to me.

Throws some dirt at Chrimi. Has both RBD and Chrimi in scum pile with Shotgun/Andrew. Votes Andrew.

Soben comments on Arg's pointing out the once/first slip.

specifically the wording point about Venmar the 'only time as scum' vs 'first time as scum' is a decent point,

McStab still hasn't voted/posted anything since 144.

Arg asks TAM to iso someone scummy like Andrew/RBD - Venmar/Chrimi - which feels a strange request for someone who may be scum to get a townie to look at two of your partners.

430 Rainbow decides to go after Arg.
Calls MS, Potato, TAM, Shotgun, VE town.

Arg wasn't the scummiest player by a stretch so I don't get why scum RBD would go after scum Arg in this position. Especially when Arg has no votes.....

My issue with the below is does she says it so we won't go after Arg

You lynch me you kill Arugula fast tomorrow because he is prob scum, after that... RP/Soben/andrew and if its still not over chirmi/CX wraps up the win im almost sure

VE posts a coloured list of names. McStab is in the nullish pile with Panda and Potato (Argula is lower) - RBD says the below.

@VE - MS needs to be much higher on your list for town.

Ding ding.

So why would RBD scum when she says she could have tried to lynch four others go after her scumbuddy Arg. No it doesn't make sense for scum to bus each other.

I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to.

McStab posts his third post in 465. Two posts in 464.

471 he then comes back and votes Andrew. He ignores a lot of the rest of the game - the Venmar slip is history and Chrimi/RBD get no attention.

Shotty calls him out

McStab doesn't reference ANYTHING that has happened previously.
Does not show even the remotest interest. And comes just in time to "pressure" Andrew with Potack?
The only thing you seem interested in is how legit this "masonclaim" thing is.
Lol, one scum down. Post #474 is full of shit, you know that right?

Potack, does this not even bother you the slightest? The only thing you seem interested in this game is having people do the same thing as you are doing.
Also, if you think Andrew's post#468 was Scumslip. Wow. I'm at loss of my words.
But lol, go ahead and lynch Andrew. Let's see what happens. Fucking hillarious you two.

More later. I have to go out.

This argument around 480. I need to spend a good hour or so digesting.

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Just looking back at what RBD/Chrimi say about both of you and vice-versa

By all means you should look at their interactions with me and mine with them.

Chrimi - McStab

513 - Is it. I've gone over the vote count previously. RBD has 3, after this vote McStab has 4.

I know not of a 'Chimri'
VOTE: McStab
Please don't rage D:

Chrimi - Bork

285 - Bork is in the town reads. Doesn't mention McStab.
288 - Calls him obv-town

What I read about bork when I read through the thread made him look very obvtown to me.

292 - Says to Potato the read on Bork was gut town.
303 - Doesn't mention Bork but does say he'll sheep Tech who says Bork is scummy.
307 - says last of 303 is in reference to Bork. - which was this line.

And I'm really only kinda leaning town on him, depends on what his replacement is gunna do.

Chrimi - Arugula

Doesn't say much about Arg until 547

Your POV:
Drmyshotgun is extremely scummy, Good reason to vote
Andrew needs to clear everything up, I should pressure him, Good reason to vote
I'm scum, People are starting to wagon on Chrimi, Good reason to vote
VOTE: Arugula

* At this point RBD is also voting Arg and RBD has 3 votes. Panda has just come back in and voted RBD. Soben and Shotgun soon put RBD to 5 votes. I'd be amazed if Chrimi scum pushes against Arg scum in this point as a counter wagon to RBD.
699 - Accuses Arg of wagon jumping.
706 - Doesn't recall making a case on Arg after Arg calls Chrimi out on it.

McStab - Chrimi

572 - lists his scumlist. RBD and Chrimi both scum.
682 - votes Chrimi day two. Bold and underline is interesting regards McStab's thoughts at the time regards Arg. "Virtually nil".

Scum:
Chrimi -

Rainbow's flip (particularly posts #550, #555, #560, #588). Also note that if he flips scum this further confirms Arugula, unless Arugula bussed both partners D1 (and they targeted him back). Chances of that happening, to me, are virtually nil.

Potack-ruv - He hasn't gone after Rainbow or Chrimi, he refuses to acknowledge Chrimi being obvscum today (not wanting to lose both scumpartners in two days), and if you read Rainbow and Chrimi's reads, it's mentioned multiple times that Potack is "probably town" despite them not providing ANY evidence for this. This reeks of scum to me. The whole Techno flip-flop by him today has struck me as scummy as well.
We have this game in the bag. We lynch Chrimi today, and assuming he flips scum, Potack tomorrow.
Vote: Chrimi

Arugula - Chrimi

Plenty of mentions.

His catch up post 356 - makes note of Chrimi being useless. Chrimi chalking up his reads as gut then disregarding them, points out the contradiction regards Tech and the sheeping.
Scum list in this post is Shotgun, Andrew, Chrimi, RBD - votes Andrew.
398 - as previous asks TAM to look at scummy people after his giant IIOA at Soben - inc both scum.
541 fine with a Chrimi lynch - pushing DMS more.

I'm fine with a Chrimi lynch too, but how can you ignore drmyshotgun lying that he is a mason? And why did it go from Rainbow to Chrimi?

545 - Votes Chrimi
547 - Chrimi still a good vote.
577 - I'm not really sure how I feel about this post. Especially when he keeps his vote on Chrimi.

I actually think Rainbowdash is more likely scum than Chrimi because Rainbowdash keeps talking about mislynching Chrimi when there is zero evidence of Chrimi town. Seriously, I can't find a townie post by Chrimi.

684 - Votes Chrimi - Is fifth onto the wagon - after Code, Shotgun, Panda, McStab. Did push hard the previous day.
883 - Defends himself against TAM. Feels genuine to me.


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Chrimi says very little about McStab - bar the actual vote which could easily be a bus and the "please don't rage" - which I find odd/weird. Says a lot more to Arugula/Bork - has a town read on Bork, yet this seems to evaporate and then Arugula seems to be the counter wagon to me 547

Rainbow next ....

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Just skimmed a Rainbow scum game.

What do you both make of her behaviour towards Charlie and Tarson - I have my opinions. Would rather you both made some observations before I elaborate.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=18952

I know it's 7/8 months ago and playstyles change but I can't seem to find a more recent Rainbow scum game, they all seem to have been eaten by the tigers.

There is also this game which I've not read yet - but will do so to read her interaction towards Farside and Nanook.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18557

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Honestly, I thought you were going to be the NK, since you were on everyone's town list, but McStab's "If I'm wrong it's either Arugula or Code_X" is. Rey interesting.

I don't understand why he'd clear Shotgun and then kill him though.

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Right .. Interaction with Venmar first.

Venmar - McStab

Says nothing - aside from responding to the slip in 144.
His response really is defensive not much I can really gain from it.

Interesting point. I admit it phrased that kind of weirdly, but when writing that, i was thinking in the sense of ( thinking in my mind. ) -"also, to add"- I am not sure if that makes sense, but regarding that post i felt like the need to add on the fact that i played as scum in that game would help clear some things up, and make the read more interesting since someone could get a feel for how i play as scum. Basically, i was adding on a point to the main part of the post, and way i worded it is how i presented that. Does that make sense..?

Venmar - Bork/Arugula

Again very little - not much help whatsoever. Asks Bork if he's calling him dumb in 28. After Bork calls him out for the RVS question to Panda.

McStab - Venmar

This really is the one thing that confuses me over McStab scum - whether he'd call out Venmar out on this. Maybe he thought best to point out incase others did.

One thing I did notice, however small, is a potential slip of the tongue by Venmar:

"- There are probably a couple instances in games that i have ongoing, but if you want you can read Open 399, that is my latest completed game. Luckily for you i also played as scum there, so feel free to get some kind of a scum meta, but that was my first time playing as scum so i doubt it is as reliable."


Also? I don't think it really fits in the rest of the sentence, and could be a slip of the tongue pertaining to this game.

I would like others views on this however, perhaps I am just putting the wrong emphasis on the wrong words when reading that, but it stuck out to me

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Finally, I would really like to hear from some of the other players. There are a few who haven't posted at all, and I wasn't satisfied with either Andrew or Abasta's posts. With the game being so early this is to be expected, but I would like an upswing in posting from all of them.

The italics make me question it. Likewise the lack of a vote.

489 McStab says this about Venmar/Rainbow.

As for others, I have suspected Venmar/Rainbowdash's slot, but I haven't had the time to get around to posting a bigger analysis. For now, he's on my list of people I view as scummy, but he certainly isn't topping it with these reactions.

Bork/Arugula - Venmar

Bork calls him obtuse - Ven responds with the dumb quote.

Elaborates a bit more later on

Regarding Venmar:
#23 is so derpy that I have no choice but to assume you're being intentionally obtuse, hence what I said in #26. You really think RedPanda is trying to "Shut down RVS" in the sense that he wants to stifle discussion? Really? You're probably my #2 right now.

Defends the Venmar slip though......

I don't see anything scummy about the way Venmar phrased that particular statement.

178 - Top scum reads are Potato, Venmar, TAM

Last thing Bork comments on regards Venmar, again comes across as defensive of him.

As far as Venmar, I don't see a lot of glaring similarities to his play here and in either his Town or Scum games. He's being much more inquisitive and less judgmental here than in either of the two completed games I looked at. My scum read on him came entirely from #23 in which I felt he was intentionally misunderstanding a pretty easy to interpret statement from Redpanda.

The thing is there is a lot more interaction from Bork towards Venmar, than McStab towards Venmar - but the McStab finding the slip is a big feather in his cap.

Regards Arugula

356 - feels genuine too me. Not sure if a scum partner would then want to go back over the slip and even find another one from same quote.

McStab is town. His Venmar slip find was great, even if it isn't an actual slip (which I'm not sold on). I also thought I saw one too. Venmar said that the other game was his first time as scum. Personally, if I was only scum once, I would say my only time, not first time. It's not as good as McStab's find, but it stuck out to me.

398 - I've gone over this before. Asks TAM to look at Venmar/RBD

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See that I don't understand.

If McStab is scum he'd have thought I'd have gone after Shotgun today - I've said throughout the game I thought you were both town - and was beginning to suspect Shotty more.

That's what I'd have thought at any rate - though I guess I should read Shotgun. He may have been killed because whoever the scum was would worry about his vote.
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In your defence though, everything I've read points to the scum being McStab except 144 - and the thing that nags me with that he doesn't really pressure Venmar. Points it out and then lets it hang in the air and then doesn't really go after Venmar/Rainbow.

That RBD game I read she defended that Charlie character numerous times - mentioned him/her 128 times and the first time she voted Charlie was the 78th mention (and then she unvoted next post). There was so many "I think charlie is scum", "Charlie is my leading suspect" type posts but no vote. She does bus Tarson after about 35 mentions but I just think good players and Rainbow is one don't come in and bus there partners straight away. Playing scum is much easier with more than one of you alive.

I just don't see at this point scum RBD and scum Chrimi both voting/bussing you and you then doing likewise to them. Plus Chrimi moved his vote from McStab to yourself around 570 - when the RBD wagon was being lit up again by Panda.

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Just a quick read of Shotgun.

Key points regards Arugula

As for TeCh saying Arugula-scum. Well. :/
CHrimi and RBD both attacked Arugula. He is Town.

What you really should be doing is searching up on VE (you did think he was scummy, right?) or Arugula.
Arugula (was Bork before), you called him ObvScum early in the game and your early guts are something that works better than your TUNNELTHEFUCKOUTOFTHISBITCH tactic.
Arugula also had weird idea of saying he wants to lynch both of you Panda and Om and then VisceraEyes and then Me.

Arugula's last post stinks of fake ignorance

Key points regards McStab

VOTE: McStab
This retard. :/

McStab doesn't reference ANYTHING that has happened previously.
Does not show even the remotest interest. And comes just in time to "pressure" Andrew with Potack?
The only thing you seem interested in is how legit this "masonclaim" thing is.
Lol, one scum down. Post #474 is full of shit, you know that right?

Potack, does this not even bother you the slightest? The only thing you seem interested in this game is having people do the same thing as you are doing.
Also, if you think Andrew's post#468 was Scumslip. Wow. I'm at loss of my words.
But lol, go ahead and lynch Andrew. Let's see what happens. Fucking hillarious you two.

McStab didn't initially see your so-called "scumslip" Potack.
He was just joining the party to "pressure" Andrew.
Then, when you asked him what he saw, in your utter eagerness to check if someone shares the same opinion as you have, only then, did McStab make up some bullshit to justify his vote.

Sleep time. I dream of that firm rope around McStab.

I can see both of you wanting him dead.

McStab you about? Got anything to say.

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Things worth noting from Rainbow.


322 - Say McStab is solid town. Thinks it will be a Bork/Arugula vote.

430 - Goes after Arugula. Bussing? Based on my limited meta knowledge. I'd say no.
Same post says MS is town.

441 - I'll be drinking the wine on this all night. Does scum say that about a partner? Does scum say it about a townie - almost then clears Arugula.

You lynch me you kill Arugula fast tomorrow because he is prob scum

457 - says McStab should be higher on VE's list

@VE - MS needs to be much higher on your list for town.

I know I've talked about this before but why would you go after your partner who has no votes. Instead of 4 townies as she puts below. I don't understand the logic.

1) I could have tried to lynch... TAM, DMS, andrew, VE... all had some flack and I could easily whip up something quick on why they are scum if I wanted to. Im taking about the path of most resistnace possible at this point because I think you are all wrong for the most part.

533 - again has McStab in the town pile.

We know she doesn't bus everything in sight as she says the below in regards to Chrimi

I have no clue about Chrimi except that I know im really good at mislynching him while forcing town win as we can see.
He is near the middle section of my reads. Unlike Arugla he doesnt need to die right now but he probably doesnt make it to endgame if he is VT.

Bolded is really eye-catching. This reads as educating the scum partner knowing what we know.

We should seriously lynch Arugula today instead, and if

Chrimi has any form of a town read on me should be following along right now

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This is what she says in response to Arugula's post.

Spoiler:

Thats kinda my point. You are not committing strongly to any wagon but at the same time are making enough of a commitment to anypony who picks up any form of suspicion that you can easily jump on them but still are not going to look awkward if something happens like the TAM mason claim.

The way you are playing you go along with everything just enough such that you are able to do basically anything with major wagons while being able to look back and point at it. I dont think there is anything at all out of the status quo with a read of yours, town or scum. If everypony thinks a player is scum, we can be sure to find you agreeing. If somepony is town, you back up that read as well.

You arent scumhuntnig but just following along with popular opinion putting your vote where it most suits you. With the now Chrimi vote (lol what?) im almost to the point where I say he is probably town and you are scum trying to be able to get him mislynched and then sheep along the inveitable momentum to my lynch leading up to the complete distrust of everything when we were in such a great position but mislynched out the gate twice.

Defends Chrimi a bit more in 560

Then claims scum next post.

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She doesn't say a lot about McStab - she doesn't about me either mind.

She does say a lot about Arugula. I don't see two scums combining as 555 to vote another scum. I may be completely wrong - but I don't see it. The Arugula wagon is a counter wagon to the two scum wagons.

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I could be here for a long time, but I'm pretty sure McStab is scum at this point. I don't think Rainbow comes in and busses hard not when there are better options. I don't think Arugula goes after her/Chrimi so strongly.

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That being said, McStab's quicklynch of Potack is still something that can't be ignored.

I think Potato would have been lynched whatever in all honesty yesterday.

But even so we didn't get to hear from either him or Shotgun, which was bad town play and I include myself in that. Too bloody gung-ho.

Why do you think it's not me Arugula?

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I hate fucking being in lylo and should probably let McStab speak but ..

VOTE: McStab

I just can't see Arugula as scum.

Holds breath ...........

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UNVOTE: McStab

Maybe I'll wait ..

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Well last time I was in lylo it was fucked up.

I think we've got this though.

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Ah fuck this if I'm wrong, well played Arg.

VOTE: McStab

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The suspense is the big killer.

Town made a complete mess of things either way.

Just praying now ...

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Ha jeez. I've just read them scum games.

Firstly Arugula you won in lylo

Secondly McStab I actually played in that game haha as my previous alt.

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And hammered a townie in lylo

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Well played.

Fuck sake.

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Arg you played really well.

Fuck it lol - sorry town.

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I don't think my mafia experience really qualifies me for any post game commentary, but it was my first time modding so I would definitely appreciate any constructive criticism.

Top modding - I can't think of any criticism at this point.

I'm just off to find a rope before the rest of the town find me one.

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Seriously gutted.

I've got to slow down and read games more instead of at the end.

Sorry guys.

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I know I fucked up big time and understand the hate.

All I can do is learn from the game.

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No I regret a lot of things in the game but mainly, not slowing down after the Panda lynch - which I'm still amazed at now, regards slating your reads sorry I should have listened. It was poor play and as such cost us the game because I tend to play on instinct and fast. Which isn't sensible.

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I wish you hadn't have been quicklynched Om. I think you probably would have been lynched but reads and a longer would definitely have helped. Likewise VE - I shouldn't have gone straight after him without re-reading properly.

@ Tech - no one deserves praise post Chrimi lynch. Especially not me.

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List was all town and 4 of them were lynched..

And I even looked at the list in lylo (said need to see what Soben thought of Arg) and ultimately ignored it.

Words fail me. I'm just sorry.