Open 420: Medical Mafia - That's all, folks!

[yellowbounder]

Can we get a replacement for FightingShadow please?

Hi.

Okay, before I say anything, just to check, tunneling is like "tunnel vision" and only focusing your attention on a specific player, right?

[yellowbounder]

I think I feel comfortable with my vote staying on Time Travelling Scumhunter for now.

@TTS, if you couldn't lynch Zachrulez today, who would you lynch?

[yellowbounder]

Huh, TTS is at L-1. That slipped by me. Of course, we'll have to wait 24 hours before we get any reactions.

ITT:

Rach selectively scum hunts.

Rach gives awful justification for selectively scum hunting but never actually follows through on that justification.

Rach commments on people sheeping onto wagons and later sheeps a L-1 vote onto TTS.

Rach provides misinformation and refuses to explain why, even if that information was true, is even relevant to the game.

Rach says that Venmar and Jackal are the scummiest and then sheeps a vote onto TTS

Rach puts someone at L-1 without commenting on it being an L-1.

Can someone explain to me for the love of fucking god how TTS is at L-1 for "tunneling" when Rach has literally dropped MULTIPLE scum tells and is only sitting on two votes?

I'll certainly say that putting someone on L-1 without much fanfare is not very pro-town. At all.

@Rach, you think TTS should be today's lynch? That's what you're implying.

[yellowbounder]

Understandable. I can definitely see how it is hard to answer a simple paragraph in under 4 days.

I'd certainly say she's coming across as unhelpful.

[yellowbounder]

So Rach is at L-1 now.
UNVOTE: Time Travelling Scumhunter

@Jackal - You appear to have this tendency in this game to just suddenly switch votes with very little provocation. Would you say that you would be happy with either a TTS lynch or a Rach lynch, or do you have no strong opinions?

[yellowbounder]

Why did you unvote just because Rach is at L-1?

It's not actually connected, I don't like my vote lying on some person for long periods of time. The TTS wagon seemed to provoke no interesting responses from him, so didn't seem prudent to continue voting for him?

[yellowbounder]

So Rach is at L-1 now.
UNVOTE: Time Travelling Scumhunter

- Why does Rach being at L-1 make you unvote TTS? Am i the only one who doesn't understand this move?

As I said previously, there wasn't supposed to be a connection between the two events.

[yellowbounder]

UNVOTE: Rach

Claim seems legit. Scum fake-claiming would just claim doc.

Easy there, not everyone has posted with the absence of a counter-claim.

Not counter-claiming.

But anyway, Jackal711, you didn't answer my earlier question

@Jackal - You appear to have this tendency in this game to just suddenly switch votes with very little provocation. Would you say that you would be happy with either a TTS lynch or a Rach lynch, or do you have no strong opinions?

[yellowbounder]

Yes, I did. In my last post. Learn 2 read.

VOTE: yellowbounder

I apologise missing your post.

So according to your logic, I look scummy now?

[yellowbounder]

I might get some heat for this, but VOTE: Time Traveling Scumhunter.

Rach's claim seems legit, and Jackal is reading null to me. To be honest, TTS wasn't reading particularly scummy to me either, but it'll do for now?
We need at least one wagon, otherwise things tend to dry up.

[yellowbounder]

Less than 4 days till deadline, rules say we no lynch if we don't have a majority. This is like a normal game, in that a no-lynch on day 1 gives us no information, right?

[yellowbounder]

Self voting is never useful to the town if you're a town member, and it's playing against your own win condition (like 99.99% of the time) if you're mafia.

It's just bad play. But I'm hesitant to hammer, because I'm not reading scum that much from Jackal, just general not-helpful.

[yellowbounder]

I doubt scum would do a random quickhammer Day 1.

Jackal, why did you self-vote? Were you trying to fish for quickhammers, sticking with your meta, or what?

Is the implication that town would be more likely to quick hammer?

[yellowbounder]

Scum these days are apparently too smart to fall for that anymore...

I have, in the past, caught scum with that gambit. In a 2-scum setup, sacrificing 1 town for a near-guaranteed scum lynch the next day is overall a good trade.

Link(s)?

I'm sure a scenario that Jackal has described has happened at some point, maybe even involving him.

The question is, regardless whether it's happened in the past (meta), is whether it's worth it in this game? It seems kinda risky, especially given the strong possibility that we might lose more than one person at night.

[yellowbounder]

The PMs are in the first couple of posts. Maybe he's just not read the rules closely enough.

[yellowbounder]

Deadline is coming up, are we going to lynch anyone?

Lack of Day 1 lynch gives us no information.

[yellowbounder]

Assuming we're not stating our night actions yet?

[yellowbounder]

You know, we could just do popcorn for claiming.

[yellowbounder]

Yeah, first to die, you assume his doctorly powers.

And when I said popcorn claiming, I meant:

That someone says what they did last night, and then picks someone else. Who then says what they did last night, and then picks someone else. And so on. Scum can't manipulate the order to their advantage that way.

[yellowbounder]

I protected Rach. Rach, who did you protect?

[yellowbounder]

Aww how cute, the person who hasn't claimed their action is saying it's scummy to not claim their action.

It's

popcorn

.

[yellowbounder]

Oh hai Yellowbounder.

Why did you chose to popcorn Rach instead of Robo or Mort?

Sorry, missed that.

Because I had just typed her name, and decided to type it again. No higher reasoning that that.

I'm sure you have a reason behind the question but I don't understand why he would choose me/mort over Rach. I wasn't aware of popcorn techniques, whenever I did it I would just kinda throw it to anyone.

Well the idea is to make people you're suspicious of claim right after you.

Yeah, first to die, you assume his doctorly powers.

And when I said popcorn claiming, I meant:

That someone says what they did last night, and then picks someone else. Who then says what they did last night, and then picks someone else. And so on. Scum can't manipulate the order to their advantage that way.

He understands the idea behind popcorning, but popcorning a confirmed town underminds the entire idea behind it.

Oh. I was just picking someone semi-randomly.

[yellowbounder]

Not really sure we can work out much about our sanities from one night's round of protections. Lots of ifs and buts. Another night would be more conclusive.

[yellowbounder]

Sorry, you were actually expecting me to respond to your argument about the plausibility of Jackal being a night kill target?

I'm not liking this, or your earlier slow-claim, or the aggression.

VOTE: Mortontfrh

[yellowbounder]

Yeah, I'd say this game's activity occurs in bursts.
@FuDuzn, you gonna put your vote where your gut is? Not getting scum vibes from Zach.

[yellowbounder]

Yeah, Mort, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I wasn't comfortable lynching Jackal based on his meta either, and a bandwagon of votes doesn't result in actual town consensus.
Venmar hasn't really contradicted himself.

[yellowbounder]

*bump* I'm still here.

[yellowbounder]

Rach and Robo need to be voting people.

[yellowbounder]

Quack Doctor --> Equivalent functionality of that of a Vigilante.
Paranoid Doctor --> Equivalent functionality of that of a Jailkeeper

Yes, but the difference between a Quack Doc and a Vigilante is that the Vig knows his role. No one can know their doctor flavour after one night of actions, when the scum add misinformation into the pool.

And still voting Mort just in the way he handled himself with the last-to-claim bonzana.

[yellowbounder]

Aw, come on Zach, I was starting to suspect you were town, don't ruin it.

[yellowbounder]

And who is coasting? What have you done these last couple pages outside of ignoring everything else and wanting to find ways to attack me?

This is a game of tunnellers, apparently.

Please read 434 and tell me that isn't scum.

There is an appeal to wifom so hardcore, and an attemt at seperation from Robo.

And of course Robo is trying to push me away from Morton. If Mort is scum then Robo is pretty clearly his partner.

Alright. You still have failed to provide a case. Good job.

Continue beating around the bush. It won't save you.

Go make a case.

Aw, come on Zach, I was starting to suspect you were town, don't ruin it.

Suspecting a person just because he voted you?

- Mother of OMGUS.

That about sums it up.

It's not that he voted for me, it's the way he justified doing so.

[yellowbounder]

Anyway, I would urge everyone to look particularly at Yellowbounder... most especially his response to my vote. It's very clearly a veiled threat that is an attempt to influence my vote to move. This is not a play you see from town. (You also won't see this scumtell dropped often but it is a rather significant one.)

It wasn't a threat. You seemed to want to vote me under bad pretences, and I didn't really approve.

I'm still feeling a Mort lynch, just so it'll make clear the alignment of various people who reacted to his late-claim.

[yellowbounder]

Newbie 1194 you are referencing Zach, and yes I had you pegged as town the whole game(and I wish that game wasn't lost, it would offer some good meta). But while I am using my memory of that game to try to get a good read on you, and am not overcompensating or anything, that seems like a weird thing to say.

I wish the game could be referenced too. My scum vs town play is like night and day.

Stop pointing at your meta. You can do so after the game is over, and we actually

know

your alignment.

Otherwise, it's just a lot of "Man, this game I've been really town, like all the other times I've been town. Man, it's difficult being so town.", because anything else isn't playing to your win-condition, bar any weird probably-not-a-good-idea pretending-to-be-scum-as-town gambits.