Open 422: Polygamist Mafia (Game Over)

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Vote: The Acting Method

Good game

[GreyICE]

#43 and #45 are posts that any sane town would hang you for.

Gnight.

[GreyICE]

Help me out then

Explain to me where you were going with #43 and #45.

Do you need me to link you?

[GreyICE]

@ Grey, both are responses to 42 and 44 I'm basically defending the behavior that Argula called out in 42 and then reacting to his more through line in 44.

Basically you are voting me for a defense...

I get that you were responding to someone.

I was asking you why you were making those responses. I asked you to EXPLAIN them, not DESCRIBE them.

1) Where do you have a history of the questonee ignoring your questions, and why do you think that was happening here? What questions were ignored? Do you feel that behavior is scummy (was it coming from scum in past games)?

2) You've played mafia in Newbie games and on other sites. In that time you've used RQS, long cases on flimsy backing, and other techniques to move things through the early game. You did none of that here. Why? I do believe it's because you don't want to attract negative attention, and RQS attracts negative attention frequently. As do other things.

But as town you wouldn't give a shit.

[GreyICE]

Bridge is TAM your top scumread?

Everyone vote snake. There is a 4/10 chance hes scum without reads, this is the best vote ever considering everyone is just derping about right now.
Plus the added bonus I am town so you know there is 2 town who are not snake, basically 4/8 50/50 chance of town win simply by lynching Snake.
Plus Plus the final bonus, noone else has shown interest in wagoning him; scum are not jumping on what looks like an easy lurker wagon.

I understand the case isn't amazing but there simply isn't a good case right now on anyone, get on snake.

Prod dodge will catchup soon.

This case is so much more convincing than it should be.

Fuck you I'm town too, and I say we do in TAM. Or maayyyybeee malee.

[GreyICE]

I can link you to five cases where I do RVS and no RQS on the Other site as town. Actually 90 percent of my games on the other site are that scenario.

But that's not the same. You weren't bored or facing inactivity early in day 1, were you?

Town TAM totally would have done something to encourage players to give him reads. Scum-TAM is like 'oh well better keep posting what should I post, I'll say I'm bored and meander about the lack of activity, haha.'

(actually the game thread had accumulated around 50 posts in 2 days, a pace that, if kept up, would be around a 500 post day 1).

[GreyICE]

Arugula is giving me strong town vibes. His case on Malee is very solid. I also don't like Malee's whole "fishing for reactions" nonsense, that's code for scum looking for an excuse to vote someone over.

Vote Malee

TAM looks like a scumbuddy.

CHARTER YOU'RE SHITTY SCUM CHARTER

[GreyICE]

Summary of Charter's "Play" so far.


"Dee dee..."
"Dee dee..." *LURK* (NOTICE TAM NEVER CALLS HIM OUT DESPITE CHARTER BEING THE WORST LURKER IN THE GAME)

OH SHIT THEY'RE PUSHING TAM

ONTO MALEE!!!!!

Fuck Malee is shit town isn't she

[GreyICE]

But see it's fun to poke bad players to see what falls out.

In this case, where bussing is utterly nonsensical, a small poke while I was pushing TAM produced two votes in quick succession. Meaning the likelihood that Charter and Slandaar are both town is preeeeetttyyyy low.

[GreyICE]

I'm confused. I thought GreyICE was pushing a Charter/TAM scumteam, and then TAM agrees and votes charter?

TAM, where is my TERRIBLE reaction to pressure?

Well they can't simply avoid voting each other entirely, it'd be wayyyy too obvious

[GreyICE]

More importantly I think TAM and Malee are(were) just really bad town. TAM's last vote further adds to that read.

Being an idiot isn't actually a town tell youse

[GreyICE]

VOTE: jal

The Amish tell would be great, but the post directly before asked for my opinion on my predecesor. Your looking for reasons to vote someone instead of reasons people might be scum.

So hi scum, and gg

What is this.

Vote: DoubleJD

[GreyICE]

DoubleJD has played in one game on site so far.

It is very easy to avoid doing. Bet he never does it again.

[GreyICE]

I get it.

This is a secret variant on conspiracy

Where the goal of the game

Is to convince them it's not a conspiracy if it is, or make them think it's a conspiracy when it's not

And all y'all's win condition is to make me think you're scum.

MY GOD IS ANYONE IN HERE TOWN
EXCEPT MY MOTHERFUCKING MASON BUDDY

HIRAKI GET YOUR BUTT IN HERE

[GreyICE]

Oh good, we lost charter and gained Hiraki.

Infinity upgrade detected.

[GreyICE]

Nnnnnnnnnnooooooooo

unvote

Is Salamance20 fucking retarded or fucking retarded like a fox?

...

No fuck it he's been in like 6 games and there's no sane reason to let scum claims live.

Vote: DJD

[GreyICE]

Hiraki you're not talking to me. I know you're scum taking advantage of the worlds stupidest townie. From the way he refers to "us" to the way he says he's keeping people from dealing with DJD, if it wasn't for the 20% chance this is the worst gambit in the history of mafiascum, I'd be voting you.

[GreyICE]

How can we allow the claimed scum to live BaB?

It can't be allowed to happen. There's no townie motive. And I'm not talking "there's no townie motive" like "there's no townie motive for being stupid." No, literally the only motive is to confuse the town so much that we dont lynch them, when they were on the very threshold of being lynched already.

I fucking don't like it, but they cannot be allowed to live. DJD and his scum claiming loony partner cannot survive this game. So they die. Then we worry about mass claim (no night kill means no difference).

[GreyICE]

Do you want to be dealing with this cockbag tomorrow nyalite?

I mean suppose he came in here and said "no I'm sorry I was just so frustrated, you have no idea." what then?

This lynch needs to happen right now. Claiming scum is choosing death

[GreyICE]

Nyalite and I

Also fucking blacklisted you stupid prick

[GreyICE]

Salamance.

So you're paired with Hikari?

Why am I not surprised -_-

[GreyICE]

1. I believe you will find in my most recent newbie game (which is ongoing so I can't discuss) that exact scenario.

Can you give a recent game that's preferably not newbie? Also, a newbie game that shows it doesn't give much credibility...

Also, Arugula and TAM makes both null. Which is fine considering I had no real prior read on them.

Yeah you know what I don't say about MOTHERFUCKING MODERATOR CONFIRMED TOWN?

I have no read on them.

Vote: The Acting Method

1v1, it's LyLo.

[GreyICE]

HIRAKI

I GOT YOU HIRAKI

YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASY DIDN'T YOU

LYNCH THE IDIOTS

BUS THE WEAK

THAT'S GREYICE SCUMPLAY AT ITS BEST

BUT YOU CAN'T BUS THE WEAK HIRAKI

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

SUFFER

[GreyICE]

@GreyICE - What

exactly

are you accusing the TAM/Hiraki pair of?

Excuse me.

Hiraki said that his mason buddy, the person that the moderator confirmed to him to be town

WAS A NULL READ

AND HE QUESTIONED HIM

Shitty scum distancing at work

[GreyICE]

@mod/everyone who is blacklisting

I can confirm post game that my move was a strategy and not not playing for my team.

Go town

Sincerely,

Blazezrb

Salamance

Your strategy is fucking retarded

And so are you

I have no desire to ever play with you again

Fuck off

[GreyICE]

Nyalite, look at that.

When would you ever question someone the moderator CONFIRMED TO YOU TO BE TOWN?

When would you ever list them as a null read?

TAM and Hiraki screwed the pooch.

They're gone

[GreyICE]

The thing with Nyal is she is basically gone from white knight to high horse all the scum voted JD! which is obviously lol when there is no basis for it.

Pedit: aru said it.

Please respond to my post showing how horrible your vote on JJD was.
post 328

Also your horrible attempt to get a quick lynch on snake.
post 329

SERIOUSLY

SLAANDAR IS A MORON

THAT'S NOT THE POINT

FUCKING START VOTING TAM

[GreyICE]

He was more aggressive because he was town not because he was trying something different.

Fact is; he never needed to say that because he would have appeared town via meta, but then when he says it it implies hes worried people are going to wonder why hes playing differently it makes sense hes worried because he is scum knowing hes playing differently. Town should know they are playing differently because they are town not because they are trying something out to compare to a scum game which is impossible basically.

Whatever it was wrong but it was pretty solid I think.

Whats wrong with pushing snake? what were you doing at that point? oh yes fuelling fires.

Also 'you attempted to quick lynch' its like you are using buzzwords to try and make your arguments sound better, quite laughable. I pushed lurker Snake, so what? I still find it scummy that he wanted an exact start time then has posted a grand total of 0 content.

Slaandar

TAM needs to die

Who cares about Snake? Either he comes back and is scum, at which point he dies with TAM
Or he comes back and is town, at which point he damn well better vote TAM

It's time for us to lynch scum.

[GreyICE]

Where did he do this?

My god man, READ.

1. I believe you will find in my most recent newbie game (which is ongoing so I can't discuss) that exact scenario.

Can you give a recent game that's preferably not newbie? Also, a newbie game that shows it doesn't give much credibility...

Also, Arugula

and TAM

makes both null.

Which is fine considering I had no real prior read on them.

SHALL WE QUOTE THIS FUCKING BIGGER?

Also, Arugula

and TAM

makes both null.

Which is fine considering I had no real prior read on them

.

SLANDAAR -

Hiraki is Malee. You were voting Malee yesterday. She was scummy as shit. TAM shares an alignment with Malee. And that alignment is scum.

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Nyalite.

Slandaar is irrelevant. Who cares. First, he's obvious town. Why? This is town Slandaar. Just roll with it.

Second, TAM IS SCUM.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4168857

YOU REALIZED THIS YESTERDAY

IT'S TIME TO DO HIM IN

[GreyICE]

Nyalite

Me and TAM are crossvoting. It is LyLo.

Math time. How many does it take to lynch? My vote isn't moving. Discuss.

[GreyICE]

Nyalite

Shut up and think for a second.

Okay?

One second

How many people does it take to lynch?

[GreyICE]

NYALITE

SHUT UP FOR A SECOND

HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES IT TAKE TO LYNCH

[GreyICE]

Good. Thanks delta~

Now Nyalite, I'm not moving my vote from the scummy guy whose MASON PARTNER labeled him a NULL READ and asked PROBING QUESTIONS OF TO DETERMINE HIS ALIGNMENT.

You know I'm town.

What are the possible lynches today?

[GreyICE]

HEY ASSHATS

TWO PEOPLE ARE CROSSVOTING IN LYLO

MOTHERFUCKING LYLO

DISCUSS

[GreyICE]

@GreyICE Stop derping around and tell us what you're thinking.

I'm not unvoting TAM

I'm town

Scum won't vote to lynch scum.

Discuss.

[GreyICE]

VOTE: Snake

I mean its where my vote is going no need to hang around

Nyal you are wrong. Understand this scenario: JD HAD TO BE LYNCHED AFTER SCUMCLAIM. Scum can therefore avoid the wagon easily to attract less heat while town lynch the scumclaimer. The whole issue is in fact null. Your perspective is just biased and mega scummy as you basically whiteknighted into calling people who mislynched a scumclaimer scum.

Now you explain the town reads.

Slandaar. I'm town.

I won't vote to lynch SnakePlisskin today with your logic.

So if you're town your vote is being silly.

Come on Slandaar, you know that Malee was scum.

[GreyICE]

I made a mistake.

I was playing this game--at that point--like I had no confirmed town with me. I just replaced in and I was already pissed off about charter's little "you're a shitbag for stalking me" post.

If you're going to lynch me for it, I don't mind it. I made a mistake there that could possibly be seen as a scumslip--if I was scum.

I need to re-read bit tired and annoyed right now.

Hiraki I have to assume you're a total idiot for this to be true.

I know you better.

There's NO WAY you didn't open up your role PM to check if you're town or scum. NO WAY. You're not going to do that. And in the very first sentence has who your lover is. THE VERY FIRST ONE!

It's not possible for you to miss that Hiraki.

Now what you could do is you could miss the pregame discussion of who was going to claim lovers with who since you replaced in. And you could decide to distance from your scumbuddy, in a way that would make sense 98% of the time... but not here.

[GreyICE]

Townies: Does Hiraki's explanation pass the smell test? Look at your own role PM. Is it possible to miss who you're masons with?

Can anyone find a point in their own ISOs or their partner's ISO where they FOSed a mason buddy or declared them a null read? Or is Hiraki the only townie who made that mistake?

[GreyICE]

I know I fuck up role PMs. I can't remember you doing it.

More to the point I remember your mason buddy being pretty much terrible yesterday.

[GreyICE]

Hiraki, if I had strong town reads on both of you, and this happened... I might push it, but yeah, it could be let go.

But you defend TAM twice in the same post you say he's null:

#43 and #45 are posts that any sane town would hang you for.

Gnight.

Not really...?

I don't believe that The Acting Method believes this is true. It's a pretty big logical fallacy. We don't know that Charter and him aren't scum together, busing is a very good tactic in Polygamist, as long as it doesn't follow through to a lynch. All we know is that Charter and him aren't Lovers.

So what you're saying is that TAM is scum because he made a fallacy?

Um...what?

Defending a null read is already warning bells. When that null read SHOULD be confirmed town it hits warning sirens.

Then again in ISO #4 you call someone out for attacking TAM. Your null read.

I don't see the problem in calling TAM out on it.

There's no problem in calling him out on it.

Saying this:

It seems like you are trying to make it obvious you are scumhunting.

And voting him is bad.

This is obvious Hiraki scumplay dude, and I can read you.

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Grey who is buddies with TAM/Malee?

You can clearly rule out me/bridge and Aru/Jal

Leaving

Snake/Yellow.

I think you are probably town even though Nyal is being ridiculous. I don't see why scum Nyal would flip an attack switch as scum instead of just sitting back after yesterday as she has done pretty much the whole day it seems more like a town move...

Okay, so we're in agreement.

Come over to our wagon, and we can rock.

[GreyICE]

The point is that if we have people voting all over willy-nilly in LyLo we're guaranteed to lose. The scum will just wait because there's a billion wagons.

Town basically have to pick and choose between Me/Nyalite and TAM/Hiraki, because without 6 town votes, scum cannot be lynched. And there only is six town to vote.

[GreyICE]

I follow your line of thinking, but that scenario falls apart if both teams are town. No?

However, I'm inclined to think TAM and Hiraki are scum especially due to the latest posts.

Of course it falls apart then. It also falls apart if any town votes for me.

But if Slandaar is like "well I wanna vote Snake because I'm a Slandaar" and Nyalite is like "OH MY GOD I MUST VOTE FOR THE MOST RANDOM PERSON IN THE ROOM" and etc, we're doomed.

[GreyICE]

I explained why TAM was scummy yesterday. What's changed since then? He reaction voted me as soon as I voted for him, then unvoted and wandered off when I pushed harder. He's done literally nothing.

Or how about Hiraki? Replaced in for one of the scummiest people in the thread, one who had a huge wagon on her, and then... called a null read on his mason buddy, ignored me as much as humanly possible despite NEVER ignoring me in a game, and just kind of sat there like a lump waiting for it to blow over.

What exactly have Slandaar and Augula done that's so scummy? Wanted to lynch claimed scum? That had to happen.

[GreyICE]

Meh, you don't need to vote yet Nyalite.

Actually lets freeze votes at the moment and just discuss things.

[GreyICE]

Out of curiousity

Arugula, you'd say you're an aggressive player who pushes for lynches early?

What do you think of Slandaar and BaB?

BaB/Slandaar, what do you think of Arugula/Jal?

[GreyICE]

What in particular lead you to that path, especially early in the game?

[GreyICE]

Early in the game I didn't think they were town: I just thought Malee/TAM were scum.

Slandaar's posts in particular have a townish vibe to them, and I have had very similar thought processes as him. His views are from a town-minded player.

That's... that's pretty much why I think he's town.

Hiraki, tigers?

Also you have three votes on you. Whose the scum team, Hiraki?

[GreyICE]

Okay, so you want to lynch Yellow/Snake.

Why?

[GreyICE]

unvote

Yellow is town -_-

I need to think about this. Malee makes a lot of sense as a TAM mason.

[GreyICE]

Um, we most certainly do have a QT, even if it was locked before day 1 began.

[GreyICE]

Explain Slandaar

Why do you think we didn't get a QT?

[GreyICE]

Okay, so explain the fact that the role PMs are in the opening post since this is an open setup

[GreyICE]

The role PMs are in the opening post, dumbass.

[GreyICE]

So your theory is that there are two townies voting for town
And I unvoted
And now I want to save my buddies

Yeah okay.

[GreyICE]

Basically Greys theory is I am scum who read the front page and pretended I didnt to push an idea to try and get Yellow to town or scum tell he scum told but that makes me scum.

Lol

Ridiculous

Uh, what?

Pretty sure if I had a theory you were scum I'd have voted you bro

[GreyICE]

Frankly Nyal, I'm reading this all with no comment.

Personally, I think Argula's an idiot and wants my lynch for no reason.

Fun Fact: I came into D1 knowing I'd have to defend Malee (And yes, she really is/was as paranoid as she seemed.) So I spent most of day one up until her replacement trying to protect her without revealing to scum that she and I were lovers. Reason I wanted to wait for Hikari to post his thoughts? To see if he wanted to reveal us as lovers or not.

I'm trying to figure out whose scum from the remainder of you. Hikari is the only one I can rule out because I know he's town after all.

The problem is that you'd have to defend Malee as your lover anyway. It's not like scum can afford to bus.

@Jal: He's kinda bad, but he's kinda not. I don't know how else to describe it. I'm not willing to try and ride him to the bank.


@TAM: The Acting Method - your contention is that the people who are voting you in LyLo are probably bad town, and we should lynch some other group of people.

[GreyICE]

Look, lets clear this up quickly.

If one scum dies, all 4 scum die. That's the setup. So bussing to lynch is suicide. It's straight up playing against your win condition.

It doesn't mean distancing isn't possible, but sudden reluctance to drive through the lynch would be terrible. Safest play is to show only mild suspicion of your scumbuddies. At worst lump em as null, otherwise fake town reads if you can.

[GreyICE]

I was talking about bussing your lover compared to bussing the other lover pair.

If you bus your own lover you're Salamance20.

Sorry, that was a cheap shot, but

[GreyICE]

Why do you say this?

I thought it was a (good) gambit for scum to to try to lynch their partners, even up to L-1 just to make it appear like they aren't associated with each other.

I was disagreeing with GreyICE that scum wouldn't try to lynch fellow scum, as I thought it was supposed to be a good gambit to appear to lynch them as indicated on the wiki. This is not a personal opinion, but a consideration I wanted to bring up to your partner. I think I'm more in agreement with my lover, however.

Why does this matter, though?[/quote]

Jal, this isn't a Wiki situation.

Like, standard game, 3 scum, 10 town, etc. Night kill all that.

If you have a bad partner and bus them, well, town needs to kill all 3 scum to win.

What's your win condition?

[GreyICE]

@Grey how do you feel about yeller?

Not great, not bad.

but with two votes down in LyLo, we're not voting for him.

I'm actually getting extremely good vibes of Jal/Arugula.

[GreyICE]

I think they're town.

[GreyICE]

I have this strong feeling of dread that Tamraki and Yellowsnake are town. Because quite simply, this game moves to near-impossible if that's what we have to work with.

I mean you realize Snake has 8 posts in the thread. Eight. Posts. In. Thread. He has never been replaced and was a player from day 1. Yellow has 28, which still leaves him in the bottom 3 of living players. And TAM, someone so active he was berating the entire town for inactivity for not posting for a few hours has retreated to near lurker status, and is certainly doing jack to generate reads in LyLo. Hiraki seems to be on a sleep finding expedition to the south seas.

Team 1

This is possible, but my god I don't see us getting together the town to do anything. I mean none of the town in this nightmare have expressed strong reads or anything. We'd basically be put in charge of people doing nothing, and telling them what to do. If the 2 worst teams in the game are both town, after a team claimed scum game 1, well, fuck it.

Team 2

There's some strong evidence for this team. I attack Malee/Hiraki, Jar/Arugula move into position on the wagon. They figure eventually Snake MUST come back from his eternal VLA to do something, and if they can assemble a 4 vote wagon even the team that can't shoot straight can lynch someone.

OK

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Snake

Everyone votes him in their next post or explains why they think the guy who wanted an exact start time is lurking through the game hardcore.

I don't really see this as scummy. Maybe he was bored and wanted the game to start, and now it's 4th of July and he can't get on. I don't know, but I'll wait for Snake's explanation. +Town for Slandaar for noticing though.

Defend's snake, then gives SLandaar town points for noticing? Noticing what, something that's not scummy?

Jal has been poking, well... everyone. But there's been some points on Yellow

Yellow: What's up with you and your nonexistent vote on anything?
@Snake: I thought you were going to give much needed reads or something?

I mean overall if snake is scum, it's moving towards virtually impossible NOT to comment on his terrible play, so asking things while not doing much is one thing, but overall if I were Jal/Arugula on a team with Snake/Yellow I'd be praying to the loving gods that Snake comes back, not calling attention to the fact he's MIA.


So overall ranking: possible, but not a huge fan.

Team 5

In this case we're on the right track. I push Tam, Slandaar snap pushes Yellow while basically refusing to comment on Tamraki.

Tam yelled at Slandaar once, early game, then forgot about him.
Malee did Malee things
BAB lurked like a mofo.
Hiraki is a hiraki

Team 6

The 4 low volume posters who lurk at odd times, don't seem to have strong or defined reads, and are playing terribly are, in fact, scum.


I want 6 to be true, it would vindicate a lot about the universe.

Therefore it's false.

[GreyICE]

Oh wow.

God

Nyalite

You're right.

Look at Slandaar. It makes no sense.

Grey who is buddies with TAM/Malee?

You can clearly rule out me/bridge and Aru/Jal

Leaving

Snake/Yellow.

I think you are probably town even though Nyal is being ridiculous. I don't see why scum Nyal would flip an attack switch as scum instead of just sitting back after yesterday as she has done pretty much the whole day it seems more like a town move...

What?

OK

Town its grey/nyal/yellow/snake like guaranteed.

What didn't happen inbetween here is him appealing to Arugula/Jal with the same logic he used on me.

BUT ARUGULA/JAL ARE VOTING TAMRAKI

Town slandaar should at least realize that town-Jarugula voting town-Tamraki is a disaster. And why not try the same logic he tried on me with them? Arugula already has a town read on them, and has a town read on us. It would be straight up natural for town-slandaar to try and get them onto his wagon on Snake.

The only explanation is he doesn't care about getting their votes on snake because the votes will be there when he needs them. He just needs to get one of Tamraki/Us onto Snake, and then he wins. His 'look at the scumteam attacking you Hiraki' appeal is to make it all make sense.

God.

You realize this is going to be uphill, both ways, in the snow, right?

[GreyICE]

Hey Guys,

Some thoughts.
I've been really busy these last few weeks. To prove myself I wasn't as busy as I thought I was, I decided to join this game.
Wow, was that a big mistake. I think I've let myself down in terms of the commitment I like to bring to these games. I haven't read the last few pages yet. But I hope to do so next week. Anyway Lurkers suck and bring the fun down for everyone. Slandaar, it must be especially frustrating for you. Sorry. Anyway yeah, I don't want to be

that

player.

I'm not asking for a replacement, but well shit I understand if you guys would want to replace me.

Anyway, my best friend is visiting this weekend, so I'm going to be

V/LA until July 16th

. Probably won't even be turning the computer on until she's gone.

P.S. if I'm getting attacked for lurking, this should not be considered my defense. Lurking is anti-town, because you can never believe someone when they say they're busy. Any attacks on me (or other lurkers) are totally valid in my opinion, and there's no defense here. I honestly think though, that there is a group of four that makes sense, that we can

find

the entire scum-group somewhere in the patterns of the game posts and votes, and when I get back I want to concentrate on the group of four... not the one scummy-read.

So you're scummy and you know it. Clap your hands"?

[GreyICE]

We need to organize it better, because we have to convince a herd of lurkers to do things.

*sigh*

It's 3:30, and I need shots if I'm going to do this.

[GreyICE]

night buddy, it's too late to start drinking on a thursday.

[GreyICE]

Nyalite, I think we have to accept that both of our axes are town/scum. There's too much to lose otherwise.

I mean say Jarugula busses their buddies Tamraki. And suppose it gets locked into a 1v1.

There's literally no winning that situation.

Slandaar just pushed for a 1v1 too, which again is no win if they're both scum.

[GreyICE]

See now Im stuck between voting on TAM or Slandaar, as both give me scummy vibes, however I'm wondering if it's more annoynance at Slandaar, throwing accusations around like it's going out of fashion. I don't think I should vote for somebody based on being annoyed with them, because in LYLO you simply cant do that, because I place that vote on and I'm wrong, that effectively means the scum team will throw on their 4 votes in quick succession and we lose the game. Unless of course if he isn't and then we possibly have found our scum team which is why im looking at TAM currently too. Because even with all this inactivity (Myself included) at some point they would have still found time to vote?

Hey Snake, you've been promising content for 13 days.

If this is it, is there a reason we shouldn't lynch you?

[GreyICE]

Like really. I wanted to be knocked across the room and just have my shoes and socks sitting there, forlorn, as I lay dazed with bare feet. That's what I wanted Snake's content to do for me.

Instead I have a strong urge to sneeze.

[GreyICE]

Nya

Jarugula/Yellowsnake

Think about it.

I'm going to look at it tomorrow.

[GreyICE]

So Hiraki, if I described your general gameplay as hopeless flailing, what would you say?

[GreyICE]

Hey TAM/Hiraki

If someone votes you in LyLo, and you're not quicklynched

Is the person voting you scum or town?

[GreyICE]

I'm asking TAM some basic questions about mafia theory.

Since he claims to have played on other sites, and be experienced with mafia, I want to know what he knows about LyLo. That is, if the person voting you is town or scum.

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What information would that be, Hiraki?

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*sigh*

I want some content from CDB

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Okay, so we got the mandatory scumplaining portion of the catchup review over with.

Anything else?

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No, I'd really rather see content over insults. Y'see we're basically down to two 1v1s, and your team is part of one of them, and I admit to having a mild town read on Slandaar. And your slot has the wholesome content of half a loaf of wonderbread, so.

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Thanks CBD.
I loved seeing how I was your top scum pick, then you pretty much echoed what I have been saying all along.

What were your impressions of Jal/Arugula?

Well partner, we're pretty much fucking confirmed town at this point, so he'd be hard pressed to make a case on us. I mean if we're scum, we'd have thrown our weight behind SOMEONE and gotten a town lynch, rather than let our hypothetical scumbuddies dangle until the town gets their act together.

Honestly, that's one of the stronger town-tells out of Slandaar. Townies distrust everyone in LyLo.

His mischaracterization of BAB's playstyle is pretty awful too.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 0&sr=posts

I mean just go through that. The last infinity posts have been in this thread.


*sigh*

What do you want to do? I'm leaning against the Tamraki/Jarugula axis, mostly because Jarugula are just outplaying Tamraki to such a degree it's not even funny, but I keep getting weird scumvibes off them and weird townvibes off Tamraki... and then I remember how horribly Tamraki are playing, and go backwards.

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having played visibly within himself during that time. The bare statistics of his sitewide iso have nothing to do with that.

I swear the days I spent refreshing the thread, nothing happens, and then when I go away for like 12 hours, suddenly POSTS.

Yellow is the one who has the time and doesn't post content

Bridge posts content when he has time. This is proven by the way he burst posts.

Like its obvious.

Slandaar, are you town?

Because I like you better when you're scum.

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You know, you don't earn any town points if you get paranoid about us AFTER I say that LyLo paranoia is a town tell.

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You know, you don't earn any town points if you get paranoid about us AFTER I say that LyLo paranoia is a town tell.

Is this in reference to my question to CDB? I didn't realize asking why he cleared you guys from being scum somehow constitutes as paranoia.

So far, I haven't heard a good argument about you guys being town other than B&B's "Grey thinks just like me" and your partner certainly hasn't been the towniest in the game. Nyalite is being cleared because of you, and I'm interested to hear others give their reasoning for why that is. There have been a lot of ambiguous "town points" and reasoning from both of you for calling others townie in this game (See: Yellow), so I just don't give a damn.

@Nyalite: We've been over this before. You keep throwing this argument against a wall and it just doesn't stick. Also, how does my questioning have no positive output?

The towniest thing you've done all game is by finally putting a vote down (even if it's on us), but I think it'll help us see the pawns start moving into place (if they aren't already) nonetheless.

We're confirmed town because if our partners get lynched we get lynched too. Our partners are:

1) Tamraki
2) Slandaar&Accessory
3) YellowBird

So you'd basically be suggesting that my brilliant LyLo plan was

- Start the day by attacking our scumbuddies (Tamraki), rather than, say Yellow&Snake, who (town, in this scenario) Slandaar wanted to lynch since like 200 BCE
- In response to your vote moving to our scumbuddies unvote, then consider the YellowSnake/Slandaar axis. Don't throw our weight behind lynching anyone, including the utterly useless SnakePlisskin (remember, we would only need BAB to join Slandaar to mislynch them here). Give the replacement, who is playing better than Snake lots of time to catch up.
- Nyalite decides that rather than push more votes into a town-town voting fight, to go after someone in a town-scum voting fight.


I mean I suppose you could hypothesize that I attacked Town-Tamraki, convinced two townies to vote for them, and then rather than riding that to a LyLo victory decided to unvote and muddy the waters for some insane reason. BUT THAT'S EVEN DUMBER


There's like no town reasoning to be questioning us at this juncture (and yes, Slandaar, but Slandaar is Slandaarous). We're confirmed town.

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hey argula

let's join forces and kill nyalite together plz

Nyalite...

Are you sure on this vote?

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Because I think that's the single scummiest post in the entire thread.

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well tank u 4 ur contribution

it is well recieved

Hiraki, are you being voted by scum or town?

Would scum bus?

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No. Scum would not bus. I feel that there is a combination of town and scum votes on TAM due to the fact that he does looknscummu.

So your suggestion seriously is that you have two town votes on you and I'm not throwing my weight into getting you lynched?

Dude I got MonkeyMan lynched and he had a cop guilty on me and was setup-confirmed town.

You trying to sell these folks on me getting cold feet?

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I want to vote yellow so bad...

Nyalite, why can't we lynch yellow and cdb?

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Hiraki you

Do this shit town or scum

And if I wanted you lynched

You'd be dead

Especially with you rolling over and showing your throat which is not a town tell

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So were you not actually trying to get Hiraki lynched at the beginning of D2 when you were trying to persuade people to put votes onto him?

Yeah, and I convinced you and Aruguuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

Fuckers can't let me and Nya make up our minds without whining at us.

Like I know it's tough, but it's literally like the entire game riding here, and if we fuck up it's like, everyone and their pet goldfish gets to play back seat quarterback "OH MY GOD YOU TWO IT WAS SO OBVIOUS AND YOU WERE LIKE CONFIRMED TOWN LOLOLOL"

There's been a LOT of replacements this game, and the replacements have not helped us. Malee was force replaced for Hiraki, Fennin was forced replaced with DJD, charter replaced out for a brick, Snake replaced out for CDB, ye and yeah, I'm a replacement too, I'm aware.

I really wanna just sit down and lynch Yellow/CDB for general CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.

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Hiraki has to be the least concerned person about being voted in LyLo ever though. I mean ever. He's like

"Yeah, I'm town. You know? Town! And two people are voting for me in LyLo. Two! Y'know? And like, I gotta say, I think both of them could be town, y'know? Could be. I could appeal to them to lift up their votes, but it'd be like work, y'know? And I'm just sooooo lazzzzyyyy. Instead you should just lynch these people who have nothing to do with me, y'know?"

TAM is like "Once upon a time I was really fucking active, but that was in bygone days of yore, and like it's not even my style anymore. Whose town? Whose scum? These mysteries are too great for words, and la dee dee la dee dee."

Yellow is like "I post once a week, and only to defend myself, but my god when people say something negative, here I come! The Yellow defense force!"

CDB is like "oh gods, why did you lynch the obvious townie who claimed scum, y'know? I have some commentary on things that happened. Confirmed town was all confirmed, and such. Wooooo hoooooooo"

Jal and Argula are like "oh god, we want a lyyyynnnccchhhhh! This is taking to long how dare Nyalite and ICE consider their options really closely in LyLo! FUCKING DEATH! HAHAHAHA. And Hiraki is like "oh man, I hear you two bros, we should totally lynch them even though you're voting for me and stuff." And you both are like "Why good point! We are voting for you, and it's insanely scummy of you to suggest that, and we won't note it because we're busy attacking ICE!"

Slandaar is Slandaar.


Fuck it

Vote: Arugula

You can do worse than sheep confirmed tonw.

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Unvote

Nah

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Fuck this shit.

Vote: TAM

Hiraki has spent 20x more time and effort on the new batman movie than he has on this thread. TAM is effectively a dodo bird. And nyalite's theory is horseshit. Claimed scum must die.

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Actually...

vote: yellowbounder

Why? Gut. And yellowbounder. He never even articulated why he's voting Slandaar, and now he'll vote someone scummier if they show up?

And CDB can burn.

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unvote

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Good lord god, TAM shows up after three days to check how the votes are doing so he can get his teammates to quickhammer.

Fuck this shit if you two ain't scum I don't want to know you.

vote: the acting method

Fucking scummiest possible thing I've ever seen.

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Nyalite, get your ass over on this wagon.

Do we need yellow and cdb too?

FML

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Unvote

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I h8 every single one of you

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Because people are going "Yellow quick vote and I'll hammer, come on yellow, vote and I'll hammer, come on, you know you want to vote and I'll hammer."

Slandaar has been tunneling Yellow all fucking day and he's going to hammer someone Yellow votes?

What the fuck

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Yellow, vote TAM. Let's end this.

Will it end in a town victory?

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Can one of the townies unvote before we lynch town?

Aka Yellow/CDB?

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because the scum team is hyper obvious right now, and it's Slandaar/Bab/Jal/Arugula

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Come the fuck on Yellow

Unvote

God I hate you

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I am restraining myself from ripping into the morons in this game.

Vote: Arugula

God I hate you idiots.

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COME ON GET YOUR VOTES UP YELLOW/CDB

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Scum would never leave it up to town to hammer in LyLo.

Hiraki...

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Yeah

*sigh*

This is like stupidity, played out in slomo

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Bridges is going to hammer, hiraki will flip town.

FOR FUCKS SAKE IDIOTS, GO REREAD MALEE AND FENNIN. SHE VIRTUALLY HAS TO BE TOWN.

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Well this was stupid. Thought most people played okay, except BAB was utterly useless and the moderator really should have replaced him. With the deadline looming and the town down a member, a scum lynch wasn't even possible.

Also Salamance20 was truly terrible. I hate people who think it's fun to replace into a mafia game and then wreck the game for as many people as possible. Why am I not surprised his explanation was that he was "doing it for the lulz" (probably followed by 'well I would have been lynched anyway).

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Also Salamance20 was truly terrible. I hate people who think it's fun to replace into a mafia game and then wreck the game for as many people as possible. Why am I not surprised his explanation was that he was "doing it for the lulz" (probably followed by 'well I would have been lynched anyway).

From this side of the fence, it seemed like a sort of desperate attempt to reveal scum in our reactions to his "claim", and make sure the town didn't spend forever on an inevitable lynch?

I didn't think a DoubleJD lynch was inevitable, though, I was quite surprised.

This.

Me and DJD agreed to this, too bad it didnt work and i was guessing Hiraki was scum over this gambit.

Where did you and DJD agree to this?

It certainly wasn't in thread.

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This word "gambit," I do not think it means what you think it means.

"Why did you hit yourself in the face with a shovel?" "Oh, it's a gambit."
"Why did you jump off the bridge?" "Oh, it's a gambit."
"Why did you drink bleach?" "Oh, it's a gambit."

Yeah I'm fine with my blacklist.

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Yeah I kind of fucked town over through my activity. I do apologize, but there were numerous factors irl that made it difficult to go online.

I was so convinced Grey_Ice was town I let scum things nya did just slip by unjustified. So props to Grey_Ice. Also Slandaar has a really fun playstyle. Also I'm now more in favor of LAL, including myself for parts of this game.

I was town...

Please don't join any more mafia games you don't have time for.

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I hate to recommend it, but maybe hydra? If you have some solid confidence in your reads, and you can follow the thread erraticly, pairing up with a player with a more balanced schedule to work together is probably the best solution. There's very few games where a short burst of hyperactivity once a week is appropriate.