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Open 422: Polygamist Mafia (Game Over)
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#43 and #45 are posts that any sane town would hang you for.
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Help me out then
Explain to me where you were going with #43 and #45.
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In post 105, The Acting Method wrote:@ Grey, both are responses to 42 and 44 I'm basically defending the behavior that Argula called out in 42 and then reacting to his more through line in 44.
Basically you are voting me for a defense...
I get that you were responding to someone.
I was asking you why you were making those responses. I asked you to EXPLAIN them, not DESCRIBE them.
1) Where do you have a history of the questonee ignoring your questions, and why do you think that was happening here? What questions were ignored? Do you feel that behavior is scummy (was it coming from scum in past games)?
2) You've played mafia in Newbie games and on other sites. In that time you've used RQS, long cases on flimsy backing, and other techniques to move things through the early game. You did none of that here. Why? I do believe it's because you don't want to attract negative attention, and RQS attracts negative attention frequently. As do other things.
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In post 121, Slandaar wrote:Bridge is TAM your top scumread?
Everyone vote snake. There is a 4/10 chance hes scum without reads, this is the best vote ever considering everyone is just derping about right now.
Plus the added bonus I am town so you know there is 2 town who are not snake, basically 4/8 50/50 chance of town win simply by lynching Snake.
Plus Plus the final bonus, noone else has shown interest in wagoning him; scum are not jumping on what looks like an easy lurker wagon.
I understand the case isn't amazing but there simply isn't a good case right now on anyone, get on snake.
In post 122, SnakePlissken wrote:Prod dodge will catchup soon.
This case is so much more convincing than it should be.
Fuck you I'm town too, and I say we do in TAM. Or maayyyybeee malee.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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In post 107, The Acting Method wrote:I can link you to five cases where I do RVS and no RQS on the Other site as town. Actually 90 percent of my games on the other site are that scenario.
But that's not the same. You weren't bored or facing inactivity early in day 1, were you?
Town TAM totally would have done something to encourage players to give him reads. Scum-TAM is like 'oh well better keep posting what should I post, I'll say I'm bored and meander about the lack of activity, haha.'
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In post 128, charter wrote:Arugula is giving me strong town vibes. His case on Malee is very solid. I also don't like Malee's whole "fishing for reactions" nonsense, that's code for scum looking for an excuse to vote someone over.
Vote Malee
TAM looks like a scumbuddy.
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Summary of Charter's "Play" so far.
"Dee dee..."
"Dee dee..." *LURK* (NOTICE TAM NEVER CALLS HIM OUT DESPITE CHARTER BEING THE WORST LURKER IN THE GAME)
OH SHIT THEY'RE PUSHING TAM
ONTO MALEE!!!!!
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But see it's fun to poke bad players to see what falls out.
In this case, where bussing is utterly nonsensical, a small poke while I was pushing TAM produced two votes in quick succession. Meaning the likelihood that Charter and Slandaar are both town is preeeeetttyyyy low.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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In post 141, Arugula wrote:I'm confused. I thought GreyICE was pushing a Charter/TAM scumteam, and then TAM agrees and votes charter?
TAM, where is my TERRIBLE reaction to pressure?
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In post 167, Nyalite wrote:More importantly I think TAM and Malee are(were) just really bad town. TAM's last vote further adds to that read.
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In post 177, DoubleJD wrote:VOTE: jal
The Amish tell would be great, but the post directly before asked for my opinion on my predecesor. Your looking for reasons to vote someone instead of reasons people might be scum.
So hi scum, and gg
What is this.
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DoubleJD has played in one game on site so far.
It is very easy to avoid doing. Bet he never does it again.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I get it.
This is a secret variant on conspiracy
Where the goal of the game
Is to convince them it's not a conspiracy if it is, or make them think it's a conspiracy when it's not
And all y'all's win condition is to make me think you're scum.
MY GOD IS ANYONE IN HERE TOWN
EXCEPT MY MOTHERFUCKING MASON BUDDY
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Oh good, we lost charter and gained Hiraki.
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Nnnnnnnnnnooooooooo
unvote
Is Salamance20 fucking retarded or fucking retarded like a fox?
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No fuck it he's been in like 6 games and there's no sane reason to let scum claims live.
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Hiraki you're not talking to me. I know you're scum taking advantage of the worlds stupidest townie. From the way he refers to "us" to the way he says he's keeping people from dealing with DJD, if it wasn't for the 20% chance this is the worst gambit in the history of mafiascum, I'd be voting you.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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How can we allow the claimed scum to live BaB?
It can't be allowed to happen. There's no townie motive. And I'm not talking "there's no townie motive" like "there's no townie motive for being stupid." No, literally the only motive is to confuse the town so much that we dont lynch them, when they were on the very threshold of being lynched already.
I fucking don't like it, but they cannot be allowed to live. DJD and his scum claiming loony partner cannot survive this game. So they die. Then we worry about mass claim (no night kill means no difference).ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Do you want to be dealing with this cockbag tomorrow nyalite?
I mean suppose he came in here and said "no I'm sorry I was just so frustrated, you have no idea." what then?
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Nyalite and I
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Salamance.
So you're paired with Hikari?
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In post 237, Hiraki wrote:
Can you give a recent game that's preferably not newbie? Also, a newbie game that shows it doesn't give much credibility...TAM wrote:
1. I believe you will find in my most recent newbie game (which is ongoing so I can't discuss) that exact scenario.
Also, Arugula and TAM makes both null. Which is fine considering I had no real prior read on them.
Yeah you know what I don't say about MOTHERFUCKING MODERATOR CONFIRMED TOWN?
I have no read on them.
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HIRAKI
I GOT YOU HIRAKI
YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASY DIDN'T YOU
LYNCH THE IDIOTS
BUS THE WEAK
THAT'S GREYICE SCUMPLAY AT ITS BEST
BUT YOU CAN'T BUS THE WEAK HIRAKI
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Excuse me.
Hiraki said that his mason buddy, the person that the moderator confirmed to him to be town
WAS A NULL READ
AND HE QUESTIONED HIM
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In post 410, Salamence20 wrote:@mod/everyone who is blacklisting
I can confirm post game that my move was a strategy and not not playing for my team.
Go town
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Salamance
Your strategy is fucking retarded
And so are you
I have no desire to ever play with you again
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Nyalite, look at that.
When would you ever question someone the moderator CONFIRMED TO YOU TO BE TOWN?
When would you ever list them as a null read?
TAM and Hiraki screwed the pooch.
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In post 418, Nyalite wrote:In post 416, Slandaar wrote:
The thing with Nyal is she is basically gone from white knight to high horse all the scum voted JD! which is obviously lol when there is no basis for it.
Pedit: aru said it.
Please respond to my post showing how horrible your vote on JJD was.
post 328
Also your horrible attempt to get a quick lynch on snake.
post 329
SERIOUSLY
SLAANDAR IS A MORON
THAT'S NOT THE POINT
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In post 424, Slandaar wrote:He was more aggressive because he was town not because he was trying something different.
Fact is; he never needed to say that because he would have appeared town via meta, but then when he says it it implies hes worried people are going to wonder why hes playing differently it makes sense hes worried because he is scum knowing hes playing differently. Town should know they are playing differently because they are town not because they are trying something out to compare to a scum game which is impossible basically.
Whatever it was wrong but it was pretty solid I think.
Whats wrong with pushing snake? what were you doing at that point? oh yes fuelling fires.
Also 'you attempted to quick lynch' its like you are using buzzwords to try and make your arguments sound better, quite laughable. I pushed lurker Snake, so what? I still find it scummy that he wanted an exact start time then has posted a grand total of 0 content.
Slaandar
TAM needs to die
Who cares about Snake? Either he comes back and is scum, at which point he dies with TAM
Or he comes back and is town, at which point he damn well better vote TAM
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In post 427, Nyalite wrote:Where did he do this?
My god man, READ.
In post 237, Hiraki wrote:
Can you give a recent game that's preferably not newbie? Also, a newbie game that shows it doesn't give much credibility...TAM wrote:
1. I believe you will find in my most recent newbie game (which is ongoing so I can't discuss) that exact scenario.
Also, Arugulaand TAMmakes both null.Which is fine considering I had no real prior read on them.
SHALL WE QUOTE THIS FUCKING BIGGER?
In post 237, Hiraki wrote:Also, Arugulaand TAMmakes both null.Which is fine considering I had no real prior read on them.
SLANDAAR -Hiraki is Malee. You were voting Malee yesterday. She was scummy as shit. TAM shares an alignment with Malee. And that alignment is scum.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Nyalite.
Slandaar is irrelevant. Who cares. First, he's obvious town. Why? This is town Slandaar. Just roll with it.
Second, TAM IS SCUM.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4168857
YOU REALIZED THIS YESTERDAY
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Nyalite
Me and TAM are crossvoting. It is LyLo.
Math time. How many does it take to lynch? My vote isn't moving. Discuss.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Nyalite
Shut up and think for a second.
Okay?
One second
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NYALITE
SHUT UP FOR A SECOND
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Good. Thanks delta~
Now Nyalite, I'm not moving my vote from the scummy guy whose MASON PARTNER labeled him a NULL READ and asked PROBING QUESTIONS OF TO DETERMINE HIS ALIGNMENT.
You know I'm town.
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HEY ASSHATS
TWO PEOPLE ARE CROSSVOTING IN LYLO
MOTHERFUCKING LYLO
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In post 456, Nyalite wrote:@GreyICE Stop derping around and tell us what you're thinking.
I'm not unvoting TAM
I'm town
Scum won't vote to lynch scum.
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In post 461, Slandaar wrote:VOTE: Snake
I mean its where my vote is going no need to hang around
Nyal you are wrong. Understand this scenario: JD HAD TO BE LYNCHED AFTER SCUMCLAIM. Scum can therefore avoid the wagon easily to attract less heat while town lynch the scumclaimer. The whole issue is in fact null. Your perspective is just biased and mega scummy as you basically whiteknighted into calling people who mislynched a scumclaimer scum.
Now you explain the town reads.
Slandaar. I'm town.
I won't vote to lynch SnakePlisskin today with your logic.
So if you're town your vote is being silly.
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In post 464, Hiraki wrote:I made a mistake.
I was playing this game--at that point--like I had no confirmed town with me. I just replaced in and I was already pissed off about charter's little "you're a shitbag for stalking me" post.
If you're going to lynch me for it, I don't mind it. I made a mistake there that could possibly be seen as a scumslip--if I was scum.
I need to re-read bit tired and annoyed right now.
Hiraki I have to assume you're a total idiot for this to be true.
I know you better.
There's NO WAY you didn't open up your role PM to check if you're town or scum. NO WAY. You're not going to do that. And in the very first sentence has who your lover is. THE VERY FIRST ONE!
It's not possible for you to miss that Hiraki.
Now what you could do is you could miss the pregame discussion of who was going to claim lovers with who since you replaced in. And you could decide to distance from your scumbuddy, in a way that would make sense 98% of the time... but not here.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Townies: Does Hiraki's explanation pass the smell test? Look at your own role PM. Is it possible to miss who you're masons with?
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I know I fuck up role PMs. I can't remember you doing it.
More to the point I remember your mason buddy being pretty much terrible yesterday.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Hiraki, if I had strong town reads on both of you, and this happened... I might push it, but yeah, it could be let go.
But you defend TAM twice in the same post you say he's null:
In post 237, Hiraki wrote:Not really...?
So what you're saying is that TAM is scum because he made a fallacy?BridgesandBalloons wrote:I don't believe that The Acting Method believes this is true. It's a pretty big logical fallacy. We don't know that Charter and him aren't scum together, busing is a very good tactic in Polygamist, as long as it doesn't follow through to a lynch. All we know is that Charter and him aren't Lovers.
Um...what?
Defending a null read is already warning bells. When that null read SHOULD be confirmed town it hits warning sirens.
Then again in ISO #4 you call someone out for attacking TAM. Your null read.
In post 239, Hiraki wrote:
There's no problem in calling him out on it.Arugula wrote:I don't see the problem in calling TAM out on it.
Saying this:
Arugula wrote:
It seems like you are trying to make it obvious you are scumhunting.
And voting him is bad.
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In post 475, Slandaar wrote:Grey who is buddies with TAM/Malee?
You can clearly rule out me/bridge and Aru/Jal
Leaving
Snake/Yellow.
I think you are probably town even though Nyal is being ridiculous. I don't see why scum Nyal would flip an attack switch as scum instead of just sitting back after yesterday as she has done pretty much the whole day it seems more like a town move...
Okay, so we're in agreement.
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The point is that if we have people voting all over willy-nilly in LyLo we're guaranteed to lose. The scum will just wait because there's a billion wagons.
Town basically have to pick and choose between Me/Nyalite and TAM/Hiraki, because without 6 town votes, scum cannot be lynched. And there only is six town to vote.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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In post 496, Jal wrote:I follow your line of thinking, but that scenario falls apart if both teams are town. No?
However, I'm inclined to think TAM and Hiraki are scum especially due to the latest posts.
Of course it falls apart then. It also falls apart if any town votes for me.
But if Slandaar is like "well I wanna vote Snake because I'm a Slandaar" and Nyalite is like "OH MY GOD I MUST VOTE FOR THE MOST RANDOM PERSON IN THE ROOM" and etc, we're doomed.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I explained why TAM was scummy yesterday. What's changed since then? He reaction voted me as soon as I voted for him, then unvoted and wandered off when I pushed harder. He's done literally nothing.
Or how about Hiraki? Replaced in for one of the scummiest people in the thread, one who had a huge wagon on her, and then... called a null read on his mason buddy, ignored me as much as humanly possible despite NEVER ignoring me in a game, and just kind of sat there like a lump waiting for it to blow over.
What exactly have Slandaar and Augula done that's so scummy? Wanted to lynch claimed scum? That had to happen.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Meh, you don't need to vote yet Nyalite.
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Out of curiousity
Arugula, you'd say you're an aggressive player who pushes for lynches early?
What do you think of Slandaar and BaB?
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What in particular lead you to that path, especially early in the game?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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In post 510, Arugula wrote:Early in the game I didn't think they were town: I just thought Malee/TAM were scum.
Slandaar's posts in particular have a townish vibe to them, and I have had very similar thought processes as him. His views are from a town-minded player.
That's... that's pretty much why I think he's town.
Hiraki, tigers?
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Okay, so you want to lynch Yellow/Snake.
Why?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Yellow is town -_-
I need to think about this. Malee makes a lot of sense as a TAM mason.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Um, we most certainly do have a QT, even if it was locked before day 1 began.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Explain Slandaar
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Okay, so explain the fact that the role PMs are in the opening post since this is an open setupShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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The role PMs are in the opening post, dumbass.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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So your theory is that there are two townies voting for town
And I unvoted
And now I want to save my buddies
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In post 544, Slandaar wrote:Basically Greys theory is I am scum who read the front page and pretended I didnt to push an idea to try and get Yellow to town or scum tell he scum told but that makes me scum.
Lol
Ridiculous
Uh, what?
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In post 550, The Acting Method wrote:Frankly Nyal, I'm reading this all with no comment.
Personally, I think Argula's an idiot and wants my lynch for no reason.
Fun Fact: I came into D1 knowing I'd have to defend Malee (And yes, she really is/was as paranoid as she seemed.) So I spent most of day one up until her replacement trying to protect her without revealing to scum that she and I were lovers. Reason I wanted to wait for Hikari to post his thoughts? To see if he wanted to reveal us as lovers or not.
I'm trying to figure out whose scum from the remainder of you. Hikari is the only one I can rule out because I know he's town after all.
The problem is that you'd have to defend Malee as your lover anyway. It's not like scum can afford to bus.
@Jal: He's kinda bad, but he's kinda not. I don't know how else to describe it. I'm not willing to try and ride him to the bank.
@TAM: The Acting Method - your contention is that the people who are voting you in LyLo are probably bad town, and we should lynch some other group of people.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Look, lets clear this up quickly.
If one scum dies, all 4 scum die. That's the setup. So bussing to lynch is suicide. It's straight up playing against your win condition.
It doesn't mean distancing isn't possible, but sudden reluctance to drive through the lynch would be terrible. Safest play is to show only mild suspicion of your scumbuddies. At worst lump em as null, otherwise fake town reads if you can.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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In post 575, Arugula wrote:I was talking about bussing your lover compared to bussing the other lover pair.
If you bus your own lover you're Salamance20.
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