Open 422: Polygamist Mafia (Game Over)

[Arugula]

VOTE: Malee
for being concerned about her appearance.

[Arugula]

VOTE: Malee
for still being concerned about her appearance.

[Arugula]

Maybe she didn't get a chance to get on today. That is poor reason to vote someone.

[Arugula]

UNVOTE: Malee
VOTE: TAM
Stop constantly asking people to respond to your questions. When they see the thread, they will. If they are lurking, call them out on it.

It seems like you are trying to make it obvious you are scumhunting.

[Arugula]

I don't mind you trying to have an active game; I want one too. But you seem too eager to make it look like you are scumhunting.

[Arugula]

Surprisingly, Aru's vote puts me at 1 vote again. Now, that could be convenient for Slandaar's explanation, making TAM's comment look futile. Trying to help your buddy there, Aru?

What? How would unvoting you "help my buddy"? Putting someone at two votes is scummy?

Exactly what grand ulterior motive would Arugula be hoping to achieve here, Malee?

Maybe none? Or like I said, trying to make TAM's comment less important, even futile. But I'd like Arugula to answer. That vote seems a little bit extreme to me.

It wasn't a joke, but it wasn't a permanent vote either. I'm not shouting OMG TAM IS SCUM LYNCH HIM LYNCH HIM. Your reaction to it is terrible though. How the hell is trying to get out of RVS extreme?

Extreme? You're at two votes

, we need to get out of the random stage as quickly as possible. A vote's a great tool to spark people to say something, to expose scum who may make a slip or sommat.

You shouldn't skim. Arugula voted TAM. So I had only one vote on me until yours. I agree we have to get out of the RVS, but you don't try to do that by voting for someone who's just a little bit impatient.

Well it worked, didn't it? We are now out of RVS.
UNVOTE: TAM
VOTE: Malee

OK

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Snake

Everyone votes him in their next post or explains why they think the guy who wanted an exact start time is lurking through the game hardcore.

I don't really see this as scummy. Maybe he was bored and wanted the game to start, and now it's 4th of July and he can't get on. I don't know, but I'll wait for Snake's explanation. +Town for Slandaar for noticing though.

[Arugula]

VOTE: Argula

Why place your vote back on Malee now we are out of RVS stage as you put it?

Brundibar, and Fennin (especially the latter) need to get posts in.

Her horrible reaction to my vote on you.

[Arugula]

She was saying how extreme it was for me to vote you for being impatient. She also thought I was catering to your post when I unvoted her, because she thinks putting someone at L-2 is scummy.

Then she says that we shouldn't get out of RVS by voting a player because they are impatient, when exactly that happened. AND IT WORKED.

[Arugula]

No. It would be when Slandaar switched his vote, which was caused by MY vote on you.

Yes. How doesn't it make sense? Her reaction was scummy and bad.

[Arugula]

She is overreacting on a simple vote. NOT EVEN ON HER. And she thinks putting someone at L-2 is scummy.

[Arugula]

I didn't think that your vote was scummy because it put someone at L-2. And my vote on you was to get out of RVS.

[Arugula]

What? How would unvoting you "help my buddy"? Putting someone at two votes is scummy?

No, it isn't. But it seems scum got out of their hiding and reacted to my comment. Interesting.

I don't know what that means.

How the hell is trying to get out of RVS extreme?

You either misunderstood me or you are blatantly twisting my words.

You weren't clear.

She was saying how extreme it was for me to vote you for being impatient.

Actually it seems you

were

twisting my words in the very same post where you put your vote back on me. That's scummy.

Where did I twist your words?

She is overreacting on a simple vote. NOT EVEN ON HER. And she thinks putting someone at L-2 is scummy.

I'm not overreacting, seems you are the one who is though with your vote.

Yeah you are, and no I'm not. My vote is a good vote.

[Arugula]

What the hell?

[Arugula]

GAH.

TAM was like "answer my question" and then two posts later, he voted someone for not answering his question. I find THAT scummy, but not as scummy as Malee's response to it.

[Arugula]

TAM are you ignoring what I wrote? I already said why Malee was scummy.

[Arugula]

I asked you how it was scummy in a lovers setup?

Your main case is that she over reacted to a vote...

IN A LOVERS SET UP WHERE EVERYONE IS A LOVER WITH SOMEONE ELSE AND THE MAFIA ARE ALL LOVERS WITH EACH OTHER!
How is that anything more than null?

@ Grey, both are responses to 42 and 44 I'm basically defending the behavior that Argula called out in 42 and then reacting to his more through line in 44.

Basically you are voting me for a defense...

I don't want to fish for who your lover is, but I'm trying to base individual reads off of people, and Malee's reaction was scummy. But even if your lover is who I think it is, that doesn't mean that you aren't faking it and you are really scumbuddies. Her overreaction is more likely to come from scum than town.

[Arugula]

SHE WAS OVERREACTING TO MY VOTE ON YOU AND SAYING IT WAS EXTREME TO PUT SOMEONE AT 2 VOTES. SHE ALSO THOUGHT MY UNVOTE OF HER WAS BECAUSE OF YOUR POST, WHICH IT CLEARLY WASN'T. SHE ALSO SAID "SCUM GOT OUT OF THEIR HIDING TO COMMENT" ON PAGE 4. SHE IS TOO SURE OF HER BAD READS AND SHE IS SCUMMY.

Now do you understand? You have been beating this subject to death. Can we move on now?

[Arugula]

Malee, I already told you it was mostly to get out of RVS. And obviously I'm not putting much stock into the vote since my vote is currently on you.

[Arugula]

Scum is on the wagon, so what?

What? How do you know scum is on the wagon?

Town has only one mislynch, and if that happens, it's a town win after day 2 because some of you are so obvious.

Again, what?

Aru, GreyIce, Yellow ... Who's the last scum? Slandaar maybe?

Are you accusing me, GreyIce, Yellow, and Slandaar of being the scumteam? What the hell?

[Arugula]

I'm confused. I thought GreyICE was pushing a Charter/TAM scumteam, and then TAM agrees and votes charter?

TAM, where is my TERRIBLE reaction to pressure?

[Arugula]

I thought Fennin was a Malee alt or something and I was waiting for that to be cleared up.

But you are right, DoubleJD, lurkers need to be pressured.

[Arugula]

I don't have a problem with the Snake vote, as he needs to contribute, but TAM, I am the third highest poster in this game and ONLY 3 players have more posts than the mod.

So stop trying to bring up false points against me, TAM.

[Arugula]

Amish tell anyone?

I'm not familiar with this tell.

Can you explain (or even better, link to a game you were in that you've used the tell before).

Amished tell is when you replace in and criticize your predecessor. In theory, scum should be worried about how their predecessor looked while town shouldn't.

It's not

that

strong of a tell, but it isn't something to be ignored either.

@Jal
I don't see where Fenin was scummy either, but I think DoubleJD's point was that lurkers are being given a free pass because of all the focus on Malee/TAM.

[Arugula]

I committed the Amish tell as scum in a newbie game, and TraceyLyn11 called me out in it but didn't follow up. After that I learned to never criticize my replacement. So the tell is strong if the person has never heard of it before, because it is very easy to avoid doing.

[Arugula]

Oh. I thought he played in more.

So seeing as his reasoning against Jal is now gone, he doesn't look too good. His other scumreads are poor. Nyalite's scumread is basically because he doesn't like his logic, and Malee's is (although I agree with it) because he has a townread on me.

UNVOTE: Malee
VOTE: DoubleJD[/voye]

A little pressure won't hurt.

P-edit: TAM, could you link me to that game?

TAM's defense of DoubleJD is noted.

[Arugula]

Stupid tags.
VOTE: DoubleJD

[Arugula]

Gah you reacted well to pressure.
UNVOTE: DoubleJD
And you bring up a good point about reads.
And since the Amished tell no longer applies.

I don't see anything wrong with Jal ATM.

[Arugula]

@BAB
I expected DoubleJD to retract his townread on me for attacking him. I've seen scum do that many times, because they don't want to get into an argument with someone they publicly view as town. He didn't and responded with decent logic.

@Hiraki
Impatience can happen on Page 1, (although I think it was more like page 2 or 3). I don't see the problem in calling TAM out on it. I wasn't screaming and hollering for his lynch because it wasn't that strong, but I wasn't going to let it slide either.

[Arugula]

My style last game was designed to make people like me, be easily ignored, and shamelessly sheeping the ic and excusing every mistake by being just a silly noob. It worked really well, but does jack shit to find scum. I only ever attacked people that were already being attacked and often used the wiki to justify it.

My style this game has me making enemies with almost every player in the game, attacking those that are being ignored and sliding by, and ultimately bringing on a ton of attention to myself. I have no experience on this site as town, and wanted to see how people react to such a style. At face value its obviously a town style.

U can argue I'm being needlessly tricky and

being bad scum

....but that's a bit of a stretch considering I saw 4-5 players that people were happy letting sit on the sidelines. Fennin was one such player as well.

@other things: I don't see how u can consider hiraki to be scummy, given the reaction he had to be called town.

Scumslip?
VOTE: DoubleJD

My explanation of why I got off DoubleJD:
1. I was expecting him to retract his townread on me once I attacked him. Many new players do this, because they have the mentality of "he's attacking me, so we can't be on the same team." He didn't which I was happy with.
2. He made a good point in saying that it was only page 8 and reads aren't THAT solid. Mine weren't either, but it is true he did not substantiate his reads. I probably shouldn't have let up so easily, but oh well.

[Arugula]

You said, "You can argue I'm being[...]bad scum." That is a slip.

[Arugula]

If u say so. I'm making the point that I'm either obvtown or bad scum. What u quoted is just a teally weak reason to hop back on, and I'm not sure why u felt u had to do that. There is plenty of scrutiny against me already. You're back to null.

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS. RETRACTING THE TOWN READ.

Exactly what I thought would happen. Kill him please.

[Arugula]

Why not? You said you are being needlessly tricky and bad scum. It is pretty cut and dry. I don't see what doesn't make sense.

[Arugula]

Arugula... Seriously when you go after someone and push them... it's always for reasons that make me facepalm... I've said similar lines as town before... in fact, I've done it more as town than as scum.

In fact, I'm more inclined to think he's town because in his scum game he tricked us all by slipping a major towntell that had all of us fooled.

I don't think JD is scum... And you'll have to give me a better argument than his "scum slip" seeing as I don't see why he would do that after having played a game where he had a PERFECT SCUM WIN! It doesn't make sense to me for scumJD to try to change up his playstyle after being scum... far better to me to keep it and claim that his scum play was similar to his town play.

Shut up TAM.

I am DJD's partner, we are town. Part of me wants him to die as well for being stupid VI. I warn you that he is town and lynching him for an apparent "scumslip" is stupid,

we are here to win, not teach meta lessons.

@Hiraki: If I am right and I die, kill them, Kill scum. If I am wrong feel free to laugh at endgame.

That means nothing. I'm fine lynching you too. Hopefully four people will die.

[Arugula]

A scumslip is enough. Being a VI is not a towntell either.

TAM didn't ask me a question. He is constantly beating down my reads without providing better ones himself.

[Arugula]

You are ignorant.

Besides disagreeing with my reasoning and the whole Malee/your impatience deal, why am I scummy?

[Arugula]

That isn't a question.

AND YES. THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED A SLIP.

[Arugula]

Well what differentiates between idiot town and idiot scum? (I don't think DJD is an idiot, it's just the term)

You are making it sound like being an idiot is a town tell. It's not. Writing someone off as town just because you think they are an idiot is just giving them a free pass.

[Arugula]

Here's the thing: I don't believe you.

[Arugula]

Way to fail Hiraki.

I told all you guys he wasn't scum. And sally there's no strategy there. Now there are only 6 townies and 4 scum. Thanks for that Sally boy.

@TAM all the scum were on the JJD wagon.

How the hell are we supposed to keep a claimed scum alive?

It sounds like you are trying to say "I told you so, now I'm town" and start another mislynch.

VOTE: Nyalite

[Arugula]

How the hell are we supposed to keep a claimed scum alive?

It sounds like you are trying to say "I told you so, now I'm town" and start another mislynch.

VOTE: Nyalite

You didn't vote for JJD because he was a "claimed scum." Your vote was on him before Sally fake claimed.

I called you out for that vote in post 327. But you chose to ignore it.
So explain again why you had a vote on him?

I checked back in the thread and didn't remove my vote. The scum claim further solidified it.

But seriously, Sala claimed scum, he flips town, and you go "Told you he was town." There was literally no reason NOT to lynch them. You are scum trying to get town cred. I wonder which other pair is scum with you. Snake and yellow?

And my vote was because I thought DJD scumslipped.

[Arugula]

I checked back in the thread and didn't remove my vote. The scum claim further solidified it.

But seriously, Sala claimed scum, he flips town, and you go "Told you he was town." There was literally no reason NOT to lynch them. You are scum trying to get town cred. I wonder which other pair is scum with you. Snake and yellow?

And my vote was because I thought DJD scumslipped.

Okay right, that's very nice for you.

I didn't say don't lynch them. But we needed to evaluate his claim. As we can see, it was fake, so there obviously was a reason not to lynch them. Also we didn't need to quick lynch them.

But keep avoiding the questions I put to you.

What questions haven't I answered?

@GreyICE
You make a very good point, and if Nyalite wasn't your partner, I would probably hop on with you, but I can't ignore what Nyalite has done. He didn't want to a lynch a CLAIMED SCUM and then when they flipped town, he acted like he was the king or something just because he thought they were town. It looks really scummy, and just because you (GreyICE) look town, doesn't mean you are town. But, I'll wait for Hiraki's reasoning for listing TAM as a null read before I move my vote.

[Arugula]

To answer the questions:
Yes and he made that mistake later, so yes again.


You were voting DJD and content with lynching him until I posted my scumslip. Then you unvoted.

It looks like "Shit. When he flips town, I might be blamed for his lynch. Lemme make Arugula look scummy by putting down a scumslip he found."

You also went after DJD AND TAM to get their votes off Snake. But Snake isn't your lover and it's not like a bandwagon was forming.

Your reasoning for unvoting DJD is terrible and makes you look scummier. You said that since he removed his Snake vote, which is what you were voting him for, you decided he didn't deserve your vote anymore. Uh, why are you so concerned with votes on Snake THAT YOU HAVE TO CALL SOMEONE SCUM BECAUSE THEY VOTED HIM?

Evidence that proves you didn't want CLAIMED SCUM lynched:
Post 386
Post 411 (also acting like a king here)

Do you seriously think all scum were on the DJD wagon? If so, wow.

And in post 431, you said that you never thought TAM was scum. Then why was your vote on him from post 146 to post 249?

[Arugula]

Meh.

I'm trying to decide between Nyalite and TAM.

Nyalite is scummy, but GreyICE is town.

TAM is scummy and Hiraki is scummy.

I guess I'll go with the double scummy pair.

UNVOTE: Nyalite
VOTE: TheActingMethod

[Arugula]

@Nyalite
It isn't untrue. You were acting like a king and trying to get towncred no matter what you say.

[Arugula]

@Nyalite
Stop being butthurt over Slandaar and I calling you out as acting like a king.

GreyICE has laid the case out for you. Make a vote.

*currently preparing for Nyalite to respond "I'm not butthurt!!!! Blah blah blah!!!! I wasn't acting like a king!!!!"*

[Arugula]

Nyalite, I voted you for trying to get towncred after the lynch. I've said it multiple times, but you choose to ignore it or you scream about how I didn't vote for DJD for claiming scum. But my vote STAYED on him for claiming scum.

I understand the possibility of bussing (although it wouldn't be too useful in this setup), but do you honestly think I am scum with TAM/Hiraki?

I pushed for their lynches early on. TAM has suspected me the whole game, and I AM VOTING FOR TAM IN LYLO. If you still think I am scum with them, you are just stupid.

Also, TAM's hesitation of claiming lovers with Hiraki seemed like he was planning on claiming lovers with his other scumbuddy, and wanted to make sure Hiraki wouldn't slip and say he was lovers with someone else.

[Arugula]

I think Slandaar and BaB are town.

[Arugula]

Early in the game I didn't think they were town: I just thought Malee/TAM were scum.

Slandaar's posts in particular have a townish vibe to them, and I have had very similar thought processes as him. His views are from a town-minded player.

[Arugula]

TAM has been lurking for almost this whole phase. Don't let him lurk his way out of attention.

@Slandaar
I see what you are saying, but as GreyICE said, the PMs are in the opening post, and yellowbounder and Snake never said "We don't have a QT." Pushing their lynch for not explicitly saying they have a QT and not telling you what they said in it pregame isn't a good idea.

[Arugula]

TAM, calling me an idiot and providing a fluffy post in LyLo doesn't help your case. Try to scumhunt, k?

[Arugula]

OH, MY ATTITUDE IS SCUMMY? That's bold coming from someone calling me an idiot.

I'm not tunneling. I was voting Nyalite for a while, but you just ignore it.

[Arugula]

By PoE, they are probably scum, but yellow has seemed townish and Snake is a lurker.

[Arugula]

I already said I think they are town.

[Arugula]

Oh yeah, sorry I see that now. Do you get a town read on B&B? or is it just Sland town read.

It's fine.
Just Slandaar is a townread for me. BandB is null.

[Arugula]

I don't think it is useful.

[Arugula]

But why, and your partner thinks it is.

Bussing whoever the scum claimed his/her lover to be is suicide. (Hence why Hiraki/TAM should die)
Bussing the other team isn't that bad an idea, I guess, but with only 5 lover pairs left, it might start a wagon.

[Arugula]

If you consider what I did bussing, and you think I am scum with Hiraki/TAM, you need to get help.

[Arugula]

I was talking about bussing your lover compared to bussing the other lover pair.

[Arugula]

I was talking about bussing your lover compared to bussing the other lover pair.

No you weren't.

But just answer me straight. Do you agree with GreyICE?

Yes I was.

And yes, but bussing can happen. Just because I don't really agree with it doesn't mean I shouldn't be on the lookout for it.

[Arugula]

Nyalite, stop tunneling me. I'm not scum. Get over it.

Aahhhhh. WHO IS SCUM HERE?!?! I'll reread and post more later.

[Arugula]

Nyalite, you are a dick and nothing in your little story paints me as scum.

As I said before, stop tunneling me. I'm not scum. Get over it.

TAM/Hiraki are scum. With either Yellow/Snake or Slandaar/BaB (probably not, but it's possible)

[Arugula]

Out of those teams, Slandaar/Tamraki and Yellowsnake/Tamraki seem the most viable.

The common denominator is Tamraki, therefore, they are scum.

[Arugula]

What is so confusing about it? I see that two of the teams are more likely to be scum, and one pair is in both.

[Arugula]

I did seem to definite in my post. I wasn't saying this proves they are 100% guaranteed scum, but I see how you thought it that way.

Slandaar has had some strange lynch pushes, but as I said before, they seem to be from a townie POV. BandB is null. His posts aren't telling of alignment, and I'm starting to feel uncomfortable about that.

[Arugula]

I know. It seems only half this game is active.

Also, *too definite

[Arugula]

I am voting for TAM...what else do you expect me to do?

[Arugula]

I think it is scummy, but I wouldn't call it a "scumslip".

And I'm going to let people think rationally during LyLo and I'm not going to clutter up the thread screaming "HIRAKI/TAM ARE SCUM. HIRAKI CALLED HIS CONFTOWN BUDDY NULL!"

[Arugula]

TAM, you are full of shit. And as a bonus, you are scum.

You voted Yellowbounder for no reason, got called out on it, and switched your vote to me. Why? The only reasoning you provided is "I'm town, so Arugula has to be scum." Both parts are false, but you can't base a case on that even if it was true.

You lurked your way through Day 2 and finally resurface to hop on the Yellow wagon. Then, after you realize your vote is shit, you switch to me because Nyalite has some obsession with me and you think he might hop over.

TAM/Hiraki are scum. I don't know if it is with Yellow/Snake or Slandaar/BaB, but we have to kill TAM.

[Arugula]

TAM, trust me, if you were scum, you would try to stay under the radar, because you see that when you post shit, I call you out on it.

You've

been scummy since your first vote on Slandaar for not answering your question. And please tell me what other games my play reminds you of. I'm not letting you throw in fake meta as some sort of case on me.

Nice try.

[Arugula]

What are you going on about?
I am acting nothing like I did in the game I just won. I lurked and tried to stay on everyone's good side until LyLo. Much like you.

[Arugula]

Actually Bridges, it makes perfect sense.

I'm confident that I'm town.

I don't need to try to beg for my life because of this.

If I was scum, I'd be scrambling to try to convince people I was town.

But because I'm confident in my towniness, I'm not going to bother.

Oh, so since you think you are town, you don't have to try? Makes perfect sense.
Also, newsflash, NO ONE IS CONFIDENT IN YOUR TOWNINESS BESIDES YOURSELF. Even your lover called you null. So stop making up bullshit excuses and find some scum. Oh wait, you are scum, so nevermind.

Snake come back and vote me

I am never voting anyone else, your only chance to win if you are town is to vote me and hope I am scum.

This is just unhelpful. What if the scumteam is Greyalite/Tamraki?

[Arugula]

Using your scenario, that means TAM/Hiraki are scum too, so why not flip over to them?

[Arugula]

No.

I know that TAM/Hiraki are the scummiest, and I am not comfortable lynching a lurker and someone I have a townread on.

Could they be scum with TAM/Hiraki? Yes, and they probably are. But, I am not willing to lynch them solely on that possibility, because TAM/Hiraki could be scum with you too.

[Arugula]

Jal, I could have sworn I had...

And I could have sworn I'd been asked this question on d1...

Either way, I'm pretty sure I've given a reason some time or other on Arugula for certain.

You know, that whole time where I was going after Arugula for his behavior towards Malee?

HOW CAN YOU LET SOMEONE WHO POSTS STUFF LIKE THIS LIVE?!?!?!

Instead of making a case against me, he goes "I swore I already did. Oh well. I am confident in my townness." COME ON

[Arugula]

TAM, if anyone is tunneling, it is you, so stfu.

I am not ducking under the radar. There had been no activity in this thread, and then Snake's replacement started it up again.

@TAM
Why aren't my pushes from a town perspective? And please show me the loads of holes in my cases.

@Nyalite
Why are you voting for me? You think Jal is town, but "weird". Throughout this whole game, you have been chomping at the bit, waiting to jump on my wagon. You constantly ask for people's opinions on me and you finally found the right moment to hop on my wagon. Open your eyes and see that TAM/Hiraki are scum.

[Arugula]

So you are accusing me of being scum for going after a scum slip, but then when I don't go after one, I'm scum too? That's some terrible logic, Nyalite.

[Arugula]

But I thought DJD's was better than meh. And unless you are blind, I have been going after TAM/Hiraki today.

AND IF YOU THINK IT'S A SCUMSLIP THEN WHY AREN'T YOU JUMPING ON IT?

[Arugula]

Arugula, you've been going for me/Hiraki for pretty much the SAME reasons that you were going after us yesterday.

An incredibly weak case that you was failed the moment you started repeating yourself instead of explaining how it was scummy.

And you are going after me because...

[Arugula]

Did you read my post?

I AM GOING AFTER TAM/HIRAKI.

IF YOU THINK IT IS SUCH A LEGITIMATE SCUMSLIP, THEN WHY AREN'T YOU GOING AFTER THEM?

And the only reason the DJD scumslip turned out bad was because he flipped town.

[Arugula]

Now you are pulling one from TAM's book. "Oh I already said that." "I swore I mentioned that already." Repeat it, because it obviously wasn't good enough or I would've remembered it.

I AM TRYING TO GET TAMRAKI LYNCHED. MY VOTE IS ON TAM AND I'VE BERN CALLING OUT HIS BULLSHIT THIS WHOLE GAME.

You are SIDING WITH SOMEONE who you think MADE A SCUMSLIP.

My town read on Greyalite is out the window. I'm calling a TAMRAKI/Greyalite scumteam.

[Arugula]

hey argula

let's join forces and kill nyalite together plz

I want to but teaming up with TAM is a no-no for me.

[Arugula]

Thanks. See that explanation sucks.

"It's a scumslip, but it's not" is basically what Nyalite said. It's actually more like "Oh shit he scumslipped. Better not bring too much attention to it."

[Arugula]

Of course there are flaws to each team. Otherwise we would have this game won already.

The fact that Nyalite played down the scum slip negates GreyICE ever bringing it up. And Hiraki seems to be trolling so I wouldn't put too much stock into what he's proposing.

[Arugula]

Grey,
Arug is scum.
He went after TAM/Hiraki all day one. He only jumped when he saw an easier lynch target. But then D2 he didn't go back to TAM/Hiraki.

SALAMENCE CLAIMED SCUM. WHY WOULDN'T I JUMP ON HIM? (I know you are going to say I voted DJD for the scumslip, but there was literally no reason not to vote DJD, so your point is moot) AND I DID GO BACK TO AND STILL AM ON TAM/HIRAKI. When are you going to get this through your thick skull?

Even after you pointed out a pretty scummy looking thing Hiraki did. You had to shout at him to get him to vote Hiraki.
Why would he not immediately after a mislynch go back to his main scumspects? Or at least once you pointed out Hiraki's nullread thing.
Ask yourself what town motivation he would have to do that?

Can you please quote where (aside from you) I

haven't

been going after TAM/Hiraki? And I'm only going after you because you are making crap points against me.

Then he is trying(as Jal did) to weaken my attack on him by saying "Well why aren't YOU VOTING FOR Hiraki." Or saying I am trying to down play the Hiraki blunder?

You

still

haven't given a good enough explanation for that one.

The partners could be Yellow/CDB. I don't really get a good sense from CDB contribution, and yellow hasn't really said enough that he can't just be flying under the radar right now.

Yellow/CDB could be anyone's partners besides Slandaar/BaB.

It could be Sland/B&B there was some weird dynamic going on there until I put the four of them together on a scum-list, then all the sudden Jal is calling them out on stuff.

So you think putting four of us on a scumlist made us so nervous that we had to bus? You aren't as threatening as you seem.

TAM is all over the place right now and Hiraki is.... well you know. So even though it seems unlikely due to them pushing each others lynches, it is still a very real possibility.

I WANT EVERYONE TO READ THE ABOVE QUOTE.

You are either stupid, or scum.

Bussing is really strong right now, scum have a lot of power over the vote, especially with Sland locked on yellow, Snake(Now CDB), B&B and yellow being lurkerfish.

No, actually I doubt the scum would bus in LyLo.

Think about how exceedingly hard it is for town to get a lynch right now. Scum realize this. If Slandaar is town it becomes even more difficult, because he has said he won't take his vote off yellow, the scum pairs could cross vote each other and coast till the deadline knowing nothing will really happen. And on monday night when the deadline is drawing near, the SHIT storm that will occur if we are still in this deadlock will make it really easy for them to pull their votes, and consolidate them.

Here, you are right. Slandaar's vote on Yellow is really unhelpful.

I am think you were right in 682.

What?

[Arugula]

You voted JJD long before sally fake claimed. I said you switched off TAM/Hiraki when you saw it wasn't going any where and people were all going after JJD.
You didn't go back. You voted me for some reason. Then after greyICE yelled at people for pages you reluctantly voted TAM. You can't change that no matter how much you try.

I didn't reluctantly vote TAM. Please quote where I showed reluctance to move onto TAM.

You weren't voting for him beginning D2. Then after Grey yelled at everything, you finally reluctantly voted for him.

See above.

I've said it before. I don't buy that scumslip or whatever it was. But I don't trust scumslips very much anyways.
You do, you voted for JJD for a made up scum-slip right after you decided he past your "reaction-test" or whatever. And then when you factor in that you thought TAM/hiraki were scum to begin with it just doesn't make sense.
It's about inconsistency.

You don't trust scumslips?......DJD's "slip" ended up

not

being a slip. However, you are saying that Hiraki

did

slip. And yes, I did think TAM/Hiraki were scum the whole time, but moving off them did not mean I no longer thought they were scum. DJD was more worthy of pressure at the time.

Yeah, I wasn't saying they couldn't be. I was talking about them being partners with you.

My point is you can't use that as evidence when they could be scum with most people. It makes your case seem longer and better than it really is.

Nope. Didn't say that. I noting the fact the dynamic changed only after I put the four of you on a list together.

Uh, yeah. You did say that.

No, actually I doubt the scum would bus in LyLo.

That's nice for you.

Way to ignore my reasoning. Do you think scum are bussing right now? Do you think me/Jal are scum with Hiraki/TAM or Slandaar/BaB are scum with Yellow/CBD?

[Arugula]

Fuck this shit.

Vote: TAM

Hiraki has spent 20x more time and effort on the new batman movie than he has on this thread. TAM is effectively a dodo bird. And nyalite's theory is horseshit.

Claimed scum must die.

GO BACK TO THIS GREYICE. DON'T LET TAM/HIRAKI LIVE. They are scum.

Especially the bolded.

[Arugula]

EBWODP

@ Mod: Vote count please?

REALLY? You come back from lurkermode for a votecount? You have nothing else to comment on?

PLEASE KILL HIM.

[Arugula]

SO CALL IT OUT, DAMMIT.

YOU ARE SCUM.

[Arugula]

Because he is caught scum.

[Arugula]

So you completely abandon your supposed "case" on me to hop onto the only wagon the will save your lynch while providing no reasoning whatsoever?

TAM/Hiraki are scum with either Grey/Nyalite or Slandaar/BaB. If you aren't scum, vote TAM.

[Arugula]

Yes, yellowbounder, vote TAM. They are probably scum with Slandaar/BaB.

[Arugula]

Why did you unvote Grey?

Doesn't want his scumbuddy lynched.

[Arugula]

Yellow, vote TAM. Let's end this.

[Arugula]

Yellow, vote TAM. Let's end this.

Will it end in a town victory?

Yes, if TAM dies.

[Arugula]

Basically that ^^

[Arugula]

But yellow's not scum. You/TAM are with Grey/Nyalite.

Bring down the hammer, BridgesandBalloons.

[Arugula]

Actually yeah

[Arugula]

NO TAM/HIRAKI ARE SCUM WITH GREY/NYALITE. VOTE TAM OR LOSE.

[Arugula]

Nyalite pointed out the legitimacy of the case, didn't act on it, and now neither Grey or Nyalite are voting TAM. Seems likely to me.

[Arugula]

By PoE, they aren't partners with TAM/Hiraki who are basically conf-scum.

Is it possible? Sure, but I'm not willing to take tha chance and move onto Yellow because they might be partners with someone.

[Arugula]

Well I guess it's possible. I didn't think so when you were calling for TAM's hammer, but now it might be true. All I know for sure is TAM is scum.

[Arugula]

Yellow isn't perfect. He is scummy and he could be TAM/Hiraki's partners, but TAM/Hiraki started off the game awkwardly, yet actively. Then they lurked through D2. TAM only posted to mindlessly bandwagon or to respond to a few things saying "I swear I said that before." Hiraki has been trolling this game. Their random change of posting style is scummy. What town motivation is there in doing what they did?

Sure, Yellow/Snake have been lurking too, but they've been consistent about it. They are just inactive, bad players.

Grey has given me town vibes, but his random unvote of TAM comes off as a bus that went too far. Nyalite flat out ignores the points against TAM and insists that I am scum for piss poor reasons. And remember Nyalite's white knighting of the DJD wagon WHEN DJD AND HIS PARTNER CLAIMED SCUM.

[Arugula]

Slandaar, you are going to lose the game for us.

[Arugula]

Come on! Vote TAM!

[Arugula]

DEADLINE IS IN FIVE HOURS AND THE ONLY WAGON CLOSE TO A LYNCH IS TAM. GROW SOME BALLS AND TAKE A RISK. My lynch isn't happening, Yellow's lynch isn't happening, and the only chance we have to win is to lynch TAM.

Oh wait, you are scumbuddies with TAM. Nevermind.

I can't believe we are going to lose this because BaB is inactive.

[Arugula]

KK you just lost the game for us, unless you are scum. If you are scum, congrats.

[Arugula]

Yay!

Slandaar really deserves a win too.

[Arugula]

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Mafia QT if anyone's interested. Not much there.