Open 424: Jungle Republic (Game Over)

[Psyche]

Teleporting Speed Hippos...

I'll regret this.

[Psyche]

I hope this is one of those games where I can trust the OP.

[Psyche]

Night one?

Oh lolz, day two lasted one day so I kinda forgot to change that. Fixed now.

[Psyche]

I really see no point to having a Night any longer EXCEPT that it allows the mod to NOT make the mafia a daytalking faction.

[Psyche]

Hey guys. We have 12 days. Please don't rush through this.

[Psyche]

I'm pretty sure that participating in any wolf lynch, even leading one, is not a town tell.

[Psyche]

BK seems like town this game, prima facie.

[Psyche]

All that post does is make me more inclined to dislike you. :/

[Psyche]

Haven't read thread yet.

[Psyche]

I don't want to dislike anyone. >.<

[Psyche]

Being on wolf wagons is good scumplay. Anyone who has implied otherwise should be suspected.

[Psyche]

Sure, quicklynch. Great idea.

[Psyche]

Better read this game before things get hectic.

I'm distracted by a game near its end atm, though. >.>

[Psyche]

Too much is happening to ignore. I'll have a post by tomorrow.

[Psyche]

I WAS ALSO LYING. I MAY NOT POST UNTIL AFTER THE DAY TOMORROW. IT ALL DEPENDS ON MY MOOD. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[Psyche]

You need to try harder if you want to be accurate. Do you think scum are that obvious?

[Psyche]

You need to try giving an harder effort if you are town.

That counterargument won't work. Scum can do stuff that is too obvious and try to hit it off as in 'why would I do that if I was scum' and then they flip scum.

If you are town then helps us out with by apparently doing something like ... reading the thread and posting some thoughts down on who may be scum.

My vote stays where it is.

Good job.

[Psyche]

Oh, shotgun's in this game. Hi!

I didn't tell you what I'd do as scum, but if I did, I'd type up a monologue about the merits for a scum win condition of acting as if you give a damn whether you post today or tomorrow. I would then refer to my extensive meta of games where I was also late to deliver, ended up delivering in a way that got everyone to recognize that I was town, and eventually lost to a scumteam.

I'm confident that there won't be any doubt of my townieness once I put in some effort to this game, so please forgive me for not trying until then. I don't care if you don't.

I do care if I become a distraction from actually legitimate lynch targets, though. But I'll credit that occurrence to malakittens, finger suspiciously at her parrots, and then stop caring until I'm in the mood to start.

[Psyche]

He didn't say hi. How anti-social.

[Psyche]

Lynch me when I'm scummy, not because of a die roll. Thanks.

[Psyche]

being a dick isn't protown.

[Psyche]

I'm town.

[Psyche]

This always happens with the same people, but they never learn.

This is how I roll. I ain't a part of this system.

More seriously, I promised some other thread my attention when I decided reactance was an appropriate response to any attempt by Kondi to even pretend he can influence my activity.

Feel free to vote me until I'm ready to post.

[Psyche]

I never played with Umbrage before, and given the notes Rainbow already made about him i think this just might be how he plays. That said, i will probably withhold any vote on him until i see more of his play. I find his accusation weak though, but nothing I feel i should overreact about.

Venmar is town.

WTF WRONG THREAD

[Psyche]

...Fine. The game isn't boring.

[Psyche]

Halfway through. Ipad almost dead.

[Psyche]

Timezone?
Favourite faction to be in this game?
Who would you like to be mafia with?

1) Pacific
2) Town
3) I am not going to answer this one because I think i see your smart trick behind this question Vijay. Because there are two mafias, both with different amount of partners. The amount of partners someone mentions could hint something. Sneaky little Vijay.

I was wrong.

[Psyche]

My goodness, I love this game. It makes me deel as if I'm finally learning mafia.

but I've only 4% left and a number ofnighttime activities to do that are easier when I have my ipad. So.

[Psyche]

Huh. What an interesting situation. I'll have a post within the hour. Don't do anything...dumb.

[Psyche]

John Gottman rules.

[Psyche]

I'll tell you that I am not Mafia. That's the reason why I'm even giving the idea out there. That werewolf might consider this to be a great idea as it furthers his/her win condition while it helps ours in the process. You gotta trust me on this one. I promise you this WILL work if we work together.

lololololololol

[Psyche]

Okay, I've read the thread. You can ALL start unvoting now.

7 living players,
Crazy is town.
Mala is town.
I am town.

Umbrage isn't to be trusted.

No compelling case has been presented against shotgun, and I'm leaning town on him.

BK is probably town for a few reasons, especially his explicit approval of letting pmyst live for the hell of it.

I want either konowa or kondi dead.

[Psyche]

What is it that you are doing exactly, Psyche?

What is it that you're doing at L-1, I might wonder.

[Psyche]

Crazy's vote is terrible,
Konowa's vote is scum,
Mala's is malo and needs to be explained.

Vote count analysis.

[Psyche]

Tomorrow.

vote Konowa

Let's get serious, guys. LETS TRY POSTING CASES.

(If you're doing PoE, you have to do a reverse case.)

[Psyche]

Questions aren't cases.

And neither are sheepvotes...

[Psyche]

I'm not going to look up each number that you mentioned.

[Psyche]

You provided a list of numbers and need to calm down.

[Psyche]

Vagueness and ambiguity to hide case weaknesses.

[Psyche]

Psyche, what's your case on Konowa?

Wait.

[Psyche]

Irony is cute.
Explain how my case is weak. Explain how I am being vague and ambiguous.
Anyways, where is BK?

I haven't seen a case from you yet.

[Psyche]

You do not see how that isn't very helpful at all.

[Psyche]

Interaction analysis is messing with my reads. Though Umbrage's attitude toward YB looks like a bus.

[Psyche]

Votecount 1.3:

As there are 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


(2)

PMysterious

Rainbowdash, drmyshotgun
(2)

Scigatt

: Venmar, BK201
(1)

Malakittens

: Yellowbounder
(1)

Rainbowdash

: Scigatt
(1)

Umbrage

: Crazy
(1)

Yellowbounder

: Malakittens
(1)

Venmar

: Umbrage

Not Voting:

Konowa, PMysterious, Vijay2visandani

Day One will end in (expired on 2012-07-22 01:32:00).

This is actually the best bet for scum right now.

Um, no. I'm taking it slow and getting in the flow. That is easier said than done, however. I do get your reasons why you think that. I'm just not scum.
 
UNVOTE: Umbrage I'm jumping off for now. I'm not a person that likes to put pressure on others.

This post really doesn't say

anything

. Saying you're town is a null tell,

everyone

regardless of alignment claims to be town, unless they're trying shenanigans, which really isn't possible in this setup.

It takes time to get in the flow, but you don't have a read? A hunch? An opinion on Umbrage?
UNVOTE: Malakittens
VOTE: PMysterious

Vote:  yellowbounder

Voting PM and then questioning drmyshotgun’s vote of seems disingenuous [probably the wrong word] to me.  Given the timing of his [drmyshotgun] vote, I see nothing wrong with it.

I am not feeling the PM hate.  Someone feel like bulleting it for me.

These probably clear konowa.

[Psyche]

unvote

Kondi, please don't until I'm done.

[Psyche]

Dang, Umbrage is probably town just because he totally flipped out, and I can't remember the last time I've seen scum do that. I still stand by that his earlier action was blatantly pumping up his own case to make it better than it was, but I guess it's not

impossible

for town to do that. But either way, I guess it doesn't matter, since everyone else gave up on lynching Umbrage a while ago.

I'm actually feeling this YB thing. His jump onto the PM wagon was more suspicious than PM's jump onto the Umbrage wagon, and recently, PM is coming off as a little newb-townish. I don't think his attitude towards drmyshotgun for voting PM was hypocritical, though I see criticizing him for providing no information with a vote as easy pickings on a player that always seems to play that same way. I'm on Scigatt's side here with the "Vote to Replace" thing, although I'm not sure if I would take it that far at this point. But yeah, it's kind of impossible to get any kind of read either way on drymyshotgun right now.

And yeah, it definitely is worth noting that YB was fence-sitting with the Umbrage wagon, and had no interaction at all with the PM wagon until he randomly hopped on because he found a reason he could jump with.

UNVOTE: Umbrage
VOTE: Yellowbounder

Votecount 1.5:

As there are 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


(5)

PMysterious

Rainbowdash, drmyshotgun, Yellowbounder, Vijay2visandani, Umbrage

(L-2)

(4)

Yellowbounder

: Malakittens, Konowa, Scigatt, Crazy

(L-3)

(2)

Scigatt

: Venmar, BK201

Not Voting:

PMysterious

Day One will end in (expired on 2012-07-22 01:32:00).

----------
Malakittens is V/LA through 7/15

This sequence basically confirm's Crazy's townhood.

[Psyche]

Konowa chose the YB wagon over a stronger wagon that was actually on scum. He continued to push it throughout the Day. There's no way he'd do that as YB's bud.

[Psyche]

Okay, guys, so we're in a 5 v 2 setting with the freedom to perform up to 3 mislynches before we lose.

Because of this, we merely need to come up with 4 strong townreads, and the game is ours.

We have...
Malakittens
Crazy
Konowa

and, I would like to argue, Psyche, who replaced Scigatt who did much to evince his towniness, especially that in this post:


With a votecount like this.

Votecount 1.4:

As there are 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


(4)

PMysterious

Rainbowdash, drmyshotgun, Yellowbounder, Vijay2visandani
(2)

Scigatt

: Venmar, BK201
(2)

Yellowbounder

: Malakittens, Konowa
(1)

Umbrage

: Crazy
(1)

Venmar

: Umbrage

Not Voting:

PMysterious, Scigatt

Day One will end in (expired on 2012-07-22 01:32:00).

----------
Malakittens is V/LA through 7/15

PLUS AN UMBRAGE VOTE FOR PMYST.

This "against the flow" vote for mafia strongly suggests that Scigatt wasn't aligned with yellowbounder.

All of this means we have a definite pool of three players who we are certain that two of which are scum. So.

vote shotgun

Good night.

[Psyche]

Okay. BK or Kondi.

[Psyche]

I should return to interaction analysis.

[Psyche]

Votecount 1.3:

As there are 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


(2)

PMysterious

Rainbowdash, drmyshotgun
(2)

Scigatt

: Venmar, BK201
(1)

Malakittens

: Yellowbounder
(1)

Rainbowdash

: Scigatt
(1)

Umbrage

: Crazy
(1)

Yellowbounder

: Malakittens
(1)

Venmar

: Umbrage

Not Voting:

Konowa, PMysterious, Vijay2visandani

Day One will end in (expired on 2012-07-22 01:32:00).

This is actually the best bet for scum right now.

Um, no. I'm taking it slow and getting in the flow. That is easier said than done, however. I do get your reasons why you think that. I'm just not scum.
 
UNVOTE: Umbrage I'm jumping off for now. I'm not a person that likes to put pressure on others.

This post really doesn't say

anything

. Saying you're town is a null tell,

everyone

regardless of alignment claims to be town, unless they're trying shenanigans, which really isn't possible in this setup.

It takes time to get in the flow, but you don't have a read? A hunch? An opinion on Umbrage?
UNVOTE: Malakittens
VOTE: PMysterious

Vote:  yellowbounder

Voting PM and then questioning drmyshotgun’s vote of seems disingenuous [probably the wrong word] to me.  Given the timing of his [drmyshotgun] vote, I see nothing wrong with it.

I am not feeling the PM hate.  Someone feel like bulleting it for me.

These probably clear konowa.

[Psyche]

Shotgun wagon...completely towndriven?

[Psyche]

Bussing was unlikely at that stage. Explain how konowa is scum.

[Psyche]

Okay, then. So your explanation?

[Psyche]

Hm...there's definitely a hole in my PoE somewhere. Which is bad.

[Psyche]

shotgun lynch was bad.
i apologize.

[Psyche]

That makes lynching you easier.

[Psyche]

I thought your point was that you refuse to defend your own slot's actions.

[Psyche]

Just so you know, I'm not going to be able to defend against an Umbrage case.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4140515
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4116939
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4117154
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4122256
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4140515

This is why I don't care about that. That guy almost AtE'd me to not lynch him at one point too.

Step One: Point out scummy behavior.
Step Two: Explain how scummy behavior is scummy behavior.
Step Three: Summarize explanation using new words to ensure that your point is understood and that someone will read your post

[Psyche]

@BK: He was my replacement, so I'm familiar with that as well.

Very well. I guess it's acceptable for me to make a town case on him as well?

@Psyche: No, I would defend my slot's actions if I knew why they were taken. It's an unfair advantage on BK's side.

This game is all about using evidence from others' posts to make inferences about the intent behind them.

[Psyche]

vote BK

[Psyche]

Eh.

[Psyche]

I'm on a schedule.

[Psyche]

Don't really feel like it.

[Psyche]

Shotgun being town forced me to reconsider you.

[Psyche]

And konowa turning out to be okay.

[Psyche]

Probably a bad idea, sure.

[Psyche]

You almost definitely weren't going to change my mind.

[Psyche]

Sigh. So. LYLO.

[Psyche]

I am town. I am town. I am town.

[Psyche]

This PoE thing clearly isn't working.

[Psyche]

Guess it's Konowa/Kondi, given the former's last post. Which is annoying, but at least I can produce cases on why both are scummy.

[Psyche]

And it's best to make sure our Crazy read is perfect.

[Psyche]

God, I do not think I have ever been that wrong.

Malakittens is town.
Crazy is town (due to early push D2 on yellowbounder).

That leaves Kondi and Pysche.
Doesn't really matter which one first.

Vote: Psyche

-_-
Scumpost.

What about Scigatt's early D2 push, Konowa?

EVERYONE: Clearly we have to accept the fact that there was some orchestrated bussing by the scumteam, given that, of the four unconfirmed slots, 3 have made early pushes on YB.

Got to keep up, Konowascum.

[Psyche]

What about Scigatt's early D2 push, Konowa?

This is Scigatt’s only post D2. What push are you talking about?

Fine, D1 push. Whatever.

[Psyche]

What's the difference?

[Psyche]

unvote;
Vote: Venmar

155 was a whole bunch of noise and very low signal.

This is weakly veiled parroting of Crazy and others with the goal of joining a winning wagon that wasn't on his scumbud.

Also, right before this switch, he posted this:

Definitely sticking with my yellowbounder vote. I will explain if people can not see why.

Again highlighting the dubiousness of his wagon hop.

Let's see why he voted YB.

Most of the read on YB is the interaction revolving around DMS' vote, post 84, 85, and 86.  I have no problem with unexplained votes, as long as they are easily read.  Given the timing of DMS' vote of PMysterious, I can clearly see why DMS would vote that way.  It, self-admittedly, is weak point/strong gut but I do not see town mindset in YB's thought process.

RainbowDash, to me Venmar's post was high nose:low signal.  That is scummy.

Here he neatly highlights the scumminess of his jump to Venmar.

He has a

case

on YB and strongly asserts that "he does not see a town mindset in YB's thought process.

Venmar is just scummy because his post was high noise:low signal. 

Votecount 1.6:

As there are 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


(4)

PMysterious

drmyshotgun, Yellowbounder, Vijay2visandani, Umbrage

(L-3)

(4)

Yellowbounder

: Malakittens, Konowa, Scigatt, PMysterious

(L-3)

(2)

Scigatt

: Venmar, BK201
(1)

BK201

: Crazy

Not Voting:

Rainbowdash

Day One will end in (expired on 2012-07-22 01:32:00).

----------
Malakittens is V/LA through 7/15

This was the votecount. It's strange that he left YB so frivolously when a wagon on someone he "could not see a town mindset" for was already going strong.


There's a credibility gap here, between Konowa's articulation of and proclaimed commitment to the YB and Venmar wagons that suggests that his reasons for leaving the YB wagon may be disingenuous. 



...Eh. We need to consider everyone. I'm not confident enough in this case.

[Psyche]

Difference is that Crazy was pushing yb D1 and followed up with it D2.
Scigatt had an early vote on yb D1 and then never followed up on it at all. Reasoning for voting yb was "this post does not help you".

You confuse addendums for reasoning. But sure, I get your point.

We really should leave no stone unturned this time around, but Crazy's been good. I another LYLO I was in, the obvtown player was scum. >.>

[Psyche]

OF COURSE I'M THINKING ABOUT YB FLIPPING SCUM, I THINK YB IS FUCKING SCUM.

Because it involves keeping people alive who have no interest in the town's victory. I don't understand how it can be anything but anti-town.

Either you're incredibly dense or you're scum. I'm guessing mafia, but judging the way you overreacted and assumed we were asking the WW to claim, you could be the WW.

VOTE: Konowa

PM and Crazy are still town. Want more content from YB. Malakittens is a good wagon, but he's small potatoes. Konowa's been flying under the radar all game, I want to put him in the spotlight for a bit.

OH WAIT DERP THAT WAS YB AND I THOUGHT IT WAS KONOWA DUUUUUUUUUUUUUURP.

OK YB WAGON NOW HAS MY SUPPORT

So did I make that slip up or did I really forget who my scumbuddy was?

Ugh. Mindrape.

[Psyche]

So, guys. What makes you think Umbrage would mistake YB for Konowa?

Their avatars are similar, but it seems like quite a stretch that Umbrage would misidentify a person because of the vague similarity of his avatar with someone else's.

i'm suggesting that the confusion might be a scumslip, but I guess that might be too hopeful...

[Psyche]

Vote: Pysche

Ugh. What is wrong with you?

Don't you learn from mistakes? Quickvoting without justification is maladaptive. Especially in LYLO.

[Psyche]

Too much weighting on associations and process of elimination, and then failure to stop this habit when it proved to be maladaptive.

Recklessness by a certain class of players is a towntell.

More attention should be paid to tiny tells than to major tells, which probably aren't major tells.

Okay, lessons learned.

[Psyche]

Not sure if I object to replacing players out for using inflammatory language.

[Psyche]

Lynching people for bad play is bad play.

[Psyche]

Depends on what their alliances are.

[Psyche]

I was making a joke in my last post.

[Psyche]

Well, yea.

[Psyche]

Pareidolia