Open 432: Robo's PYP (Game Over)

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First!

Now, as we all know, its a well known fact only town ever post first in a thread, therefore, I am now conftown!

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@Scigatt: why do you dislike my first post?

@absta: Why did I need to vote?

Shamrock ignoring the 'big' issue is the scummiest thing in this thread
VOTE: Shamrock

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So we learn more about what kind of motivations you have. Not voting denies us that information.

So, your motivations are to vote conf town?

What is more useful, my first post or a 'I vote x because lolz' Which shows motivation more clearly?

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Hmm...pointing out a questionable town read on yourself in the RVS, what's not to not like?

...Damn, that sentence was awkward.

Tbh, it wasn't that bad at all, but at that stage it was enough to vote on.

Explain questionable in more detail.

Explain why you are actually voting me quoting a post and voting while saying 'Well actually it wasn't that bad but its RVS lol' is not a reason.

Do you believe I believe my first post? do you think I think it actually makes me conftown? what was the purpose of my post?

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Absta do you agree I am conf town because I posted first in thread?

If you do not understand why I made my post, why did you vote me for not voting and not in relation to my reasoning?

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It does not matter why I made the post what matters is what you think about it. You tell me what you think/thought the purpose was.

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VOTE: Slandaar
For not voting anyone.

Well considering you didn't disagree or say anything about the content of my post in your first post must mean you had no issues with the motivations behind it.

2. I believe that in general a post containing a vote is more useful in finding out about what the person is after. Though I won't deny that your post has somehow achieved the same purpose.

And here you admit that my post did as much as any RVS vote would have making your original argument;

So we learn more about what kind of motivations you have. Not voting denies us that information.

Completely invalid.

So, why do you need me to explain anything for you to consider unvoting? why are you voting me?

You must know I have played enough games to at least understand RVS to some extent... therefore why do you need me to answer your question? What do

you

think the purpose was?

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vote Slandaar

You're trying to break down his motivations without sharing any of your own, and that feels manipulative.

I saw no reason to explain the reasoning or motivation behind my initial post. Not explaining allows others to chirp in their views without being tainted by my explanation.

It is an unusual first post, however, you can see the good it has brought, so, what scum motivation do you think I am trying to cover up? do you think I am scum who can't come up with a good explanation after ending RVS in one post? exactly.

not likely to say, but there's a 2/13 chance of it being true lol

there are 3 mafia in this game - unless you already know that one of them is you. scumslip? i'll call that good enough for a page 2 vote.

VOTE: friday-13th

I thought about this, but it doesn't make sense with the post he is replying to.

Explain why you think its a slip in context.

My RVS vote (if Elmo agreed) was going to be on Absta.

@Shamrock? why are you so SURE it is a scum slip on the part of 13th? Could it be that he did not pay attention to the fact there are 3 scum in this setup? In my experience, scum are more likely to pay closer attention to those kind of details than town ESPECIALLY to how much scum there are.

@ Slandaar and Absta could you two give us something about the rest of the players and stop wrestling with each other for a moment or two?

More later after a chat with Elmo

How about you post your thoughts on Absta and I - saying you will vote him is not 'posting thoughts' how about you post thoughts on 'the rest of the players'? nice Hypocrisy.

This defence of the 'scumslip' is laughable, honestly, your defence makes NO sense, it reeks of scum.

Town are less likely to know how many scum there are than scum? I mean really? he thought there were 2/13 scum did he? yet he was saying my post has a 2/13 chance of being correct and there clearly are more than 2 town members in the game so, your post shows a complete lack of attention to the game, the defence is nonsensical.

Panda is scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Panda

First impressions: Slaandar is certainly not confirmed town. In fact, it could be argued that he is attempting to make himself look more town by his vote, which is definitely a scum tactic.

Noraaa, carry on with your investigation, though I'm not sure what you'll gain from it.

No scum reads yet on page 2, obviously.

Obviously.

It could be argued that, or I could just be town.

Interesting spread of paranoia.

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quick post;

Also, 2/13 chance of being scum instead of 3/13 chance still sounds to me as a mixup by a townie not by a scum.

Clarify for me: What do you think the debated slip is?

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Open 432, Think about it, then post some thoughts.

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What Panda(Rach) thinks the scumslip is;

That he thought there were only 2 scum instead of 3 (hence the 2/13 instead of 3/13) I have done that too before when in non newbie games.

How Panda(Rach) reads it as not a scumslip;

Could it be that he did not pay attention to

the fact there are 3 scum in this setup

? In my experience, scum are more likely to pay closer attention to those

Also, 2/13 chance of being scum instead of 3/13 chance still sounds to me as a mixup by a townie not by a scum.

Rach knew there are 3 scum in the setup how could what she perceives as the slip be debated? Its an open setup with 3 scum, so, saying he thinks there are 2 scum is clearly not a slip.

@Panda(Rach): Please look at the below;

Now, as we all know, its a well known fact only town ever post first in a thread, therefore, I am now conftown!

How valid is this tell if it's not mentioned?

not likely to say, but there's a 2/13 chance of it being true lol

How does this indicate that Friday thinks there are only two scum?

It is possibly a slip where he was intending to write the odds that I am town (9/13 assuming he puts himself as town) but used the odds for his team rather than the town. This tends to be the most logical explanation I can come up with as the number seems completely random otherwise.

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I was not so much defending 13th as questioning YOU to get a handle on your slot, though as I said it usually is more often that town not scum mess up on the game setups and mechanics. For a good reason, Scum has to try to blend in and confuse townies so they can get mislynches and avoid being lynched themselves, so they are more likely to pay closer attention to the setup and mechanics of the game. I was suspicious of you jumping on that as a scum tell, so I questioned you.

Now you know that isn't what the potential slip is though, you can reevaluate and give new enlightened thoughts on the issue.

Note to self; Contradiction between Setup and Shamrock.

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BK: You have no opinion on the Panda?

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Dark wasn't rolefishing.

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Absta: Why was he rolefishing and not scumhunting? what is it that makes you think the former?

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Panda and BK

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I wanted to see how absta reacted to a question to which the answer could show whether he was scum or not. I don't see why you think that's a bad thing?

This isn't scum hunting. The only scum game i've got is completely different to my play here. The only thing he could "find out" is if i'm VT or not which is rolefishing.

He looked through like 7 games of yours as scum and then tried to get you to say if you are a PR or not?

OR

He looked through the games thinking you are playing differently then asked if you think you are to see if you would near enough admit to being scum (when you say no)

What makes you think the top?

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UNVOTE: Panda

OK so heres the deal

Panda looks like he slipped, if he slipped there is a vig.

So if there is a vig, they shoot panda tonight and we lynch someone else, this completely sorts the slip out.

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I honestly think this is black and white

IF Panda is scum there is a vig
Otherwise he is town

I really don't see Pandascum with no vig in the setup.

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Code could be scum

Need to think who is best to lynch now.

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Hi DV!

Brandis case is only a case if there is a vig and Panda is town hence its terrible and probably a scumcase.

VOTE: Brandi

I am pretty sure but I don't have time to fully explain 353 and my name appearing where it shouldn't indicates she was preplanning.

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OK You need to read the whole post in question but...

I disagree. I'd say he actually helped town given the reactions he got (I agree with all of his reads on those posts BTW). It could've easily have gotten him lynched but responsible town wouldn't have lynched without an explanation and Slandaar was able to come up with a seemingly foolproof method of determining his alignment without using a lynch on him.

Why would a Vig out himself just because Elmo says a vig is in the game? Elmo didn't claim Vig and he didn't make it sound like he was implying it either. That would make no sense whatsoever.

I did not say either of these 2 things

Now, combine this with the fact the post has NOTHING to do with me; How has Brandi managed to mess up like this, twice? its a mental slip; combined this with the fact its the post straight before she voted me it shows she is scum who preplanned voting me, her terrible case is the reasoning she invented. And she had to have found it AFTER the 353 based on the language used in 354.

The case is terrible because its based on 2 assumptions that make no sense to make unless you are scum who knows tomorrow I will look scummy and she is preempting

Think about it, if she is correct, I will look mega scummy tomorrow and the case makes sense. But of course, she went too early knowing too much because she is scum.

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"OH NO I'VE BEEN CAUGHT! BETTER OMGUS!"

"OH NO I'VE BEEN CAUGHT! BETTER ACCUSE OF OMGUS TO MAKE ARGUMENTS LOOK BAD!"

OMGUS is one of my stronger towntells, you can call it null because I know that, but nice argument.

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Those two posts have nothing to do with my reasoning for voting you, and you are know it. They were things I merely was responding to/clarifying.

I didn't say they were.

It's obvious that I mistyped Slandaar instead of Sawyer (both S names), Sawyer even is talking about you IN THE POST THAT I QUOTED.

You don't mistype someones name for no reason Misspell yes but this is not spelling, you put my name there twice, not once, twice, because you had me in your mind.

Because you wanted to vote me.

The rest of what you just said is just drivel to try and sound town. Town motivation for assuming Panda is town and there is a vig? none. Why would I see a vote to try and lynch me as town motivated? Ridiculous scumlogic.

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OK Brandi

Why is there a vig?
Why is Panda town?

Explain that without relating it to me.
Then explain why I can't be town directing.

Then explain why you didn't wait to see if both the 2 conditionals are true ie waiting for tomorrow to roll around, even if Panda doesn't flip, you can see how many nks there are.

And finally;
Brandi put my name twice in wrong places in the post straight before she voted me, she had not made this mistake once previously. It is not just a coincidence, she clearly had evil intentions in mind; it is a huge mental slip.

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Dark; You seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room

What do you think about Panda?
What do you think about Brandi?
What do you think about me?

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Do you think Panda slipped or not?

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Everyone can guess what the scum will pick, being mod of a previous iteration does not help in doing that unless you know who the scum are as the scums picks will differ depending on who is scum.

Do you agree?

if so; How is modding the setup relevant?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: BK

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You have no questions for me Brandi?

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BK: Panda(Elmo) thought he had some insider information so why did he not share it early on?

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I think Brandi is scum yes.

@BK: what is your read on me?

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I am being cautious when I say this; DV is probably town.

I always found the Monty wagon an overexaggerated wagon that gained traction quickly based on nearly nothing.

Scum could easily be Natalie/Absta/Kyle

Need to think. I have way too many scumreads.

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absta what do you think about my scumteam in 492?

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Starbuck...

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Natalie

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BK's case on Natalie is a town case on scum.

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Lynch Natalie

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She is scum because of the way she hopped on BK after saying literally nothing about him all game.

Tunnel Tunnel Tunnel while not trying to convince people to lynch your tunnel target + compromise vote on someone you have shown no interest in/not posted one opinion on = scum

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Can someone tell me what Natalie thinks about the Panda slip fiasco?

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@Panda

- All my previous points still stand. Add the fact that you and Brandi mentioned JK before anyone else and you're looking more scummy than ever.

Trying to justify his vote on Panda to Panda.

I feel it

Absta/Natalie scumteam

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Join me on Natalie

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If you think i'm scum, considering the unlimited time we have until a replacement joins, why are you not securing my lynch? absta scum is in a way more dangerous position (to town) than scum Nat.

Now why would scum Slandaar want my death? That can be explained by the meta work provided by Dark. (Thanks Dark. /sarcsm). Dark provided evidence that suggests i'm not a VT in this game.

Maybe you answered your own question, maybe you didn't, either way, that was one majorly scummy softclaim to try and defend yourself.

I lynch who seems scummiest and that is Natalie, who as town thinks 'X is scum Y is scum, I will try and lynch Y due to their position in the game'? Noone does.

You are scum because you are pretending to not understand why I think you are scum.

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OK Absta...

This is what happens when you attempt to find the scum team instead of just one at a time. It turns into something that isn't even about looking for scum, causing you to get deep in confirmation bias. You're just trying to boost your own ego by proving to everyone that you can catch all the scum at once.

So I am town trying to boost my ego as this makes no sense from a scum perspective.

There's something that doesn't make much sense from a town perspective on your part. If you think i'm scum, considering the unlimited time we have until a replacement joins, why are you not securing my lynch? absta scum is in a way more dangerous position (to town) than scum Nat.

'Why does Sland want to lynch Natalie over Me?'

I had a look through your ISO, didn't find much on Nat other than the scum team "guesses" yet you want her lynched. I noticed you've set it up so that if Nat flips scum I look scummy as fuck due to your scum team "guess" being more "likely".
Now why would scum Slandaar want my death? That can be explained by the meta work provided by Dark. (Thanks Dark. /sarcsm). Dark provided evidence that suggests i'm not a VT in this game

'Scum Sland would want to lynch me because he would think I am a PR but he wants to lynch Natalie over me!'

Arguments do not stack up; this is scum cognitive dissonance.

See for me to be scum wanting to lynch Absta, this argument only makes sense if I were actually trying to lynch him yet Absta himself uses the argument that I am trying to lynch Natalie over him as a scumtell.

How can both trying to lynch Absta and trying to lynch someone over Absta be a scumtell?

Answer: They can't, he is scum.

He and Natalie are buddies, book it.

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gj Brandi and Panda!