Open 446: C9++ (Avast! Viruses!) - GAME OVER
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No. You ruined it by posting
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Why did you claim so early bitmap? I am getting the feeling you are a dangerous MYLO player. Would you agree with this Statement, or is this just. Thing you have going with the pony?-
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In post 50, inte wrote:In post 49, DoomYoshi wrote:
No. You ruined it by posting
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Why did you claim so early bitmap? I am getting the feeling you are a dangerous MYLO player. Would you agree with this Statement, or is this just. Thing you have going with the pony?
yer out!
VOTE: DeathYoshi
Wait, what? I will judge by your answer to this question whether are not you take this game seriously, as I am borderline on ignoring you completely already.
In post 53, Applejack wrote:
In post 48, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:We still quick lynching me?
I'm down if you are. Thoughts on stuff?
In post 49, DoomYoshi wrote:Why did you claim so early bitmap? I am getting the feeling you are a dangerous MYLO player. Would you agree with this Statement, or is this just. Thing you have going with the pony?
There's a page of Bitmap material. Why are you focusing on the serial killer claim? What does being "a dangerous MYLO player" have to do with what's going on in this game?
I am not focusing on his serial killer claim. I am obviously referring to his claim of vanilla. If on page 2 a player has already asked a ridiculous question for no reason and then claimed, I don't want them around near the end of the game. However, bitmap didn't answer the question.
Yet now you aren't voting for either of us? What made you think this?
In post 68, inte wrote:specifically, i was referring more to the "i don't have to worry about being lynched" bit.
rainbowdash has suggested an early game alliance before (pre-crash) and i was pretty sure she was town then
but fuck meta yo'
i'm more worried about mr. yoshi over here
Why are you worried about me?
In post 70, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:I have to say the "I'm sooooo obviously townietownietown" from bitmap is the sort of thing he did in the game I've played with him. And he was town. And it got pointed out. I say it's null via meta.
But still, for all the stuff said by Rainbowdash page 2.
VOTE: Bitmap
Why are you voting someone who already claimed? Don't you think it's a bit early to end the day with a lynch?-
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In post 44, Bitmap wrote:Actually, I'm town. I know I'm town. Me being lynched D1 doesn't matter at all. It feels like Open 421 all over again.
VOTE: RBD
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In post 80, inte wrote:
why speedlynch elmo? what history do you have with him?
No history, just a random name I picked.
In post 49, DoomYoshi wrote:
No. You ruined it by posting
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Why did you claim so early bitmap? I am getting the feeling you are a dangerous MYLO player. Would you agree with this Statement, or is this just. Thing you have going with the pony?
what did he ruin? how does him posting during a speed lynch affect his alignment?
He ruined it by posting, the point of the speedlynch is to kill them before they have a chance to post. It's particularly awesome if they are preparing a lengthy defense and get fastposted with their own death scene. I don't think it affects his alignment.
In post 77, DoomYoshi wrote:In post 44, Bitmap wrote:Actually, I'm town. I know I'm town. Me being lynched D1 doesn't matter at all. It feels like Open 421 all over again.
VOTE: RBD
Oh no, here it is.
why did you interpret it as a claim? i say even PR's don't matter in being lynched as long as it leads to a scum lynch
If we lynched Bitmap right now and he was cop how would it help us exactly? Not very much, that statement could only sensibly precede a vanilla claim, or a power role specifically trying to lay low. Either way, bitmap's desired plan is to convince players of vanillaness.-
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In post 85, Applejack wrote:Also, when you voted Elmo TeH AzN, how serious were you in accomplishing a lynch?
I think speedlynches can be hilarious. I wouldn't flip out and complain if he was speedlynched, but I didn't seriously expect it to happen. Does that answer your question?-
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In post 107, Bitmap wrote:If I was a vig, I would shoot inte and RBD.
Vig will only get one shot per night, who should he target first?
VOTE: mcstab
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How is Elmo town?
Also, I wasn't rolefishing. It looked like an obvious claim to me. The ponies know what I am talking about but inte, demon and others... Like bitmap himself, don't know what I am talking about. Whatevs, if it's not a claim, then it's not a claim. I drop the point.
That's nice stab, buti hope you understand Im not moving the vote until you do post something of substance.-
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Hmm, so Elmo, PB, seilkops, mcstab, defender and Sivure are all in various stages of inactivity.
Of the 7 players left: bitmap, inte, myself and the ponies don't interest me.
Which leaves soldistate or demon core as interest points. Demon core is onto me for unspecified reasons. Still waiting on more clarification there. Soldistate seems more town than anyone. Willing to bet that our 6 inactives contain the scum. Also probably why Sivure wanted to replace out, no?
I am watching that slot like a hawk now. Maybe we should just lynch the slot to save yabba the work?-
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I'm a doc. Sorry to play so awful up to this point.
Anyways, general replies:
The attack on inte was based on his page 3 posts. I thought he may have been a spammer, as I am not familiar with him. I am not the only one who called him on this either.
I don't understand why I keep getting accused of rolefishing, now for the vig. I am fine keeping my vote where it is, as that is a baseless accusation.
Hunting inactives works... See?-
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In post 159, McStab wrote:In post 49, DoomYoshi wrote:
No. You ruined it by posting
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Why did you claim so early bitmap? I am getting the feeling you are a dangerous MYLO player. Would you agree with this Statement, or is this just. Thing you have going with the pony?
^^This is a weird statement to say, it definitely rubs me the wrong way.
So...?
In post #74, DoomYoshi's statement of:
"Wait, what? I will judge by your answer to this question whether are not you take this game seriously, as I am borderline on ignoring you completely already."
Is a very aggressive, oversensitive response to a single vote without much weight on it.
Already addressed.
In post 88, DoomYoshi wrote:I think speedlynches can be hilarious. I wouldn't flip out and complain if he was speedlynched, but I didn't seriously expect it to happen. Does that answer your question?
^^This shows no signs of real scumhunting. He thinks it would be funny to quicklynch someone in RVS. It probably would be, but it's inexcusable to do so for no reason whatsoever.
bullshit. I think it's funny whether I am scum or town. It was not only my first post of the game, but also the very first post of the game! I am sorry that when I explained the first post of the game it didn't show signs of scumhunting. Next time, if I post first, I will definitely have a list of tells. Also, if it's inexcusable, why single me out for a wagon that many others were on? Elmo himself even voted for the wagon and Agrees that it would have been funny. Does that mean he is scum?
In post 110, DoomYoshi wrote:In post 107, Bitmap wrote:If I was a vig, I would shoot inte and RBD.
Vig will only get one shot per night, who should he target first?
VOTE: mcstab
For laying too low. There is a reasonable low, and then there is limbo champion here McStab.
^Rolefishing for the vig? Either way I don't see how his question pertains to scumhunting.
I wasn't rolefishing, I was just clarifying a point that bitmap brought up. If asking another player which of two players is most scummy is a)not scumhunting b)rolefishing and c)scummy then slap in the face and call me Tarzan. Basically, I was asking is inte or RBD more scummy to you? I phrased it within the contexts of bitmap's point.
Then attacking inactives because he can't really put his mind to scumhunting (I was on V/LA at the time).
You weren't even here so you can't say "oh doom yoshi isn't scumhunting". you know who isn't scumhunting? The 6 inactives we had!!
In post 130, DoomYoshi wrote:How is Elmo town?
Also, I wasn't rolefishing. It looked like an obvious claim to me. The ponies know what I am talking about but inte, demon and others... Like bitmap himself, don't know what I am talking about. Whatevs, if it's not a claim, then it's not a claim. I drop the point.
That's nice stab, buti hope you understand Im not moving the vote until you do post something of substance.
^Retracts his statement when put under pressure. Creates the illusion that I'm dodging him, despite only a few hours passing between my post and this one.
Sorry for creating an illusion, it wasnt my intent. And you are misrepresenting. I retracted a statement when I realized it was wrong. Not when put under pressure.
In post 134, DoomYoshi wrote:Hmm, so Elmo, PB, seilkops, mcstab, defender and Sivure are all in various stages of inactivity.
Of the 7 players left: bitmap, inte, myself and the ponies don't interest me.
Which leaves soldistate or demon core as interest points. Demon core is onto me for unspecified reasons. Still waiting on more clarification there. Soldistate seems more town than anyone. Willing to bet that our 6 inactives contain the scum. Also probably why Sivure wanted to replace out, no?
I am watching that slot like a hawk now. Maybe we should just lynch the slot to save yabba the work?
^^^Nice logic to keep focusing on inactives. "Half the game is inactive; I can't come up with real points on the ones posting, so I'll target the inactives! Through my genius use of PoE I've came to the conclusion that there MUST be scum amongst 6 of the 13 players in the game!"
It doesn't change the fact that you're targeting of inactives is an easy way to fake scumhunting, scum.
It also doesn't change the fact that your OMGUS is an easy way to fake scumhunting.
Vote: DoomYoshi
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In post 160, solidstate wrote:Ok that's actually pretty persuasive on the whole.
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VOTE: DoomYoshi
Which I think puts him at L-1, so triggerhappy people chill and give him a chance to post.
Did you actually read the points or did you just tl;dr baa baa baa?-
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VOTE: Solidstate
The case that mcstab presented on me, which you agreed with included two parts I would like to draw your attention to:
A) Elmo quicklynch. Defender was anti-Elmo wagon AND so were you!
B) I was lurker voting. Since you can't be voting for defender for the anti wagon comments, you must be voting him for lurking. If i am scummy for lurker voting, why is it ok when you do it?
Basically, you seem to be jumping on any wagon with wheels.-
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In post 177, McStab wrote:In post 134, DoomYoshi wrote:Hmm, so Elmo, PB, seilkops, mcstab, defender and Sivure are all in various stages of inactivity.
Of the 7 players left: bitmap, inte, myself and the ponies don't interest me.
Which leaves soldistate or demon core as interest points. Demon core is onto me for unspecified reasons. Still waiting on more clarification there.Soldistate seems more town than anyone. Willing to bet that our 6 inactives contain the scum. Also probably why Sivure wanted to replace out, no?
I am watching that slot like a hawk now. Maybe we should just lynch the slot to save yabba the work?
Why the sudden change of heart?
I don't care if he claimed doc, I want to lynch him now. He's scum. There's no point in letting scum live.
I have presented in two posts why the sudden change in heart.
In post 178, Applejack wrote:In post 174, seilkops wrote:I've never played with either of these ponies (RD,AJ), but I don't like their buddy buddyness.
We've played together in several games, with the most recent two as opposite alignments. I'm hoping we're on the same side this time because a pony alliance would make this game at least 20% cooler; it might be the same with Rainbowdash.
In post 166, DoomYoshi wrote:You weren't even here so you can't say "oh doom yoshi isn't scumhunting". you know who isn't scumhunting? The 6 inactives we had!!
Does this mean the other 7 active players were scum hunting and that you thought they were all town?
No, I was pointing out the hypocritical mess of an argument, not trying to defend active players.
In post 179, inte wrote:hey yoshi man this isn't looking good
Agreed.
Mcstab, soldistate, I'm sorry I was mean to you. Now that I have dropped the attitude, i still think a)soldistate is mindlessly bandwagoning and b)mindlessly bandwagoning is scummy.-
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In post 208, Cartographer wrote:
I am very worried I am playing this game incorrectly. I have contrasting reads with several older players.
Don't worry about it. At the end of the day, we are just schmucks with reads.
In post 202, Cartographer wrote:In post 194, Applejack wrote:
I am in the same boat as McStab. I really cannot look past DoomYoshi's play. If he is a doctor I will be saddened.
What abut my play can you not get past? The Only point you have raised against me is the Semi-attack on inte, which I replied to. Are there further points?
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I never replied to this:
In post 183, McStab wrote:In post 121, solidstate wrote:In post 117, Applejack wrote:
However, for the sake of actually being on a wagon since no one is on RBD with me, I'll
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VOTE: inte
And this wasn't shamelessly bandwagoning? Solidstate's behaviour hasn't changed, you've just started attacking it because he's bandwagoning against you.
However, if this is true, it just means I am a moron, not that I am scummy.-
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In post 232, D3f3nd3r wrote:I admit I don't want to be around at LyLo.
If I was stuck with it, town would lose. Keep me alive now, feel free to Vig or kill me closer to LyLo.
Why do you play this game?
So you will analyze then?
In post 234, Cartographer wrote:I am very tired tonight. I will be able to get to those tomorrow, sometime.
I thank those who are taking up the reigns of my suspicions.
I do not feel comfortable voting the same person Rainbow is voting.
unvote
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In post 306, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't really like DoomYoshi all that much but he's certainly not scum with Bitmap.
As in, I am scum, or that you just don't like me on a personal level?-
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In post 326, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Mod (Yabba) Please replace me. I can't seem to get into this for the life of me =/ Sorry
I guess a speedlynch wouldn't have been that bad then.-
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I switched because I felt the game was stalling and I was unable to convince players to join. After joining, I got cold feet for being on a case that is really just a coinflip for me.
My gut is telling me Inte is town, but your case is pretty convincing. I am going to have to mull this one over. Your noticed connection between inte and Bitmap is the most promising part.
The case on RBD seems curious. Almost everyone is attacking it from a different angle. My angle: If I was wrong in assuming a VT claim, and bitmap already denied it, why are you using that to clear bitmap RBD?
Fastposted by inte: I know it is easier to see things from your own perspective, but that isn't the reason I unvoted.-
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RBD:
still haven't answered my last question to you, but I have a new one.
If: (and I agree with this) solid is scummy for not responding to me/discrediting me
Then: mcstab is also scummy for not responding to my wall except via discredit
Yes?
Cart:
When a game is going at around 5 posts a day (out of 13 players) can you suggest why someone would want to flake out? Not just 1 person either, it's like a wave of moral depravity is infesting this site... I just wanted an explanation for this in terms of game mechanics.
McStab:
Applejack scum? Da fuck?-
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I am in disbelief that the preceding post finally happened.
Defender, can you differentiate between the ponies please? While they have shown similar attitudes and trajectories towards you and solid, they have been very different on other ideas (bitmap's VT claim for example). I know it seems like they are a unit, but it's not like they got their roles and then decided on names.-
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In post 110, DoomYoshi wrote:
VOTE: mcstab
For laying too low. There is a reasonable low, and then there is limbo champion here McStab.
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Hey, Azusa, I will answer your question in a sec, I just wanted a word in edgewise first while I am still digesting the walls. Just to clarify your questions are:
What did you mean by "I guess i was wrong about solid"?
And... I can't find another one.
McStavb:. As much as you can call OMGUS on me, don't forget that I called it on you first. So, while RBD may be OMGUS (I can't speak for ponies) my vote/case on you isn't. I still hold the same sense that I held right after I claimed. Your case was terrible, and solid is scum, or a bad player, for finding it convincing.
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I was just saying that RBD might be right in that solid is town. After that, I went into a bleh vote. Not a strong post at all. I still don't see any conclusions that a townie would make that a scum wouldn't by solid. My thought process exactly at the time is : soldistate is obviously very scummy, but I Might be wrong about him being scum. Make sense?-
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Why would a town PR be antagonistic to no end?
Either you are a such a troll that you cannot control yourself, or you have the destruction of town as your goal. This is why I don't buy your claim. Nothing you have done this game is helpful. Why would you put forward shitty cases and try to spin the game as a big grudge match if you have a PR? If you can answer that, I will Unvote you.
When there are 2-4 scum in a game, a list of 3 scum should be strong enough evidence to vote for 1 of the 3. Without Naho's input, not much can be said though.-
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I am not voting you for lurking. Quit being an asshat. Travesty or not, you brought this on your self.
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No, bitmap, we didn't. Mcstab and I just had a conversation about him.
Carto, this is not very high level play either. It is a mental workout.
Inte, if I voted carto now, wouldn't it be opportunistic since his last two posts are shitty?
Therefore I can't vote him or your rage will be unleashed. You are going to have to push that on your own.-
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Btw, it doesn't seem like all T2s are weaker. Cop and vig are both strictly better than 1-shot cop and vig. Should I still protect seilkops tonight or should I protect mcstab who might be the cop (since he prob isn't the vig)? Although since mcstab said the roles aren't as powerful, that narrows the field to 1-shot doc or 1-shot roleblocker. If he was doc, he would believe my claim more likely, which means he must be 1-shot roleblock (or mason, which I doubt, unless masoned with demon core).
So, is it worth protecting a 1-shot roleblocker or should I just protect seilkops?
Fastposted: It may be a crime, but if I vote for a wagon not going anywhere, it is equivalent. Unless you want me to vote for you?-
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I bet nacho is just going to drop out rather than read all this game.
So both inte and applejack decided this game sucks... You two should chill out, it's only day 1, town has a good chance of winning still. Inte, you should practice your rhetoric. I am not sure what you are trying to say half the time.
I am not seeking your approval, I am just pointing out to you how bs the claims of "opportunistic" were. Voting someone for doing something scummy isn't exactly opportunistic - it's what I consider proper play.
I don't think I am revoting today. Not going to support an applejack lynch, and probably not going to lynch. Demon core is likely scum. And yea, I know it's opportunistic to say that the player not even here is scum, but deal with it.
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In post 799, zabriel wrote:In post 796, McStab wrote:No offense taken; look forward to playing with you again.
I'd say the slot is town assuming she follows through with her replacement, but pushing the mass claim idea after claiming to replace out makes me think she has more of an agenda beyond her show of emotion. Don't get me wrong, there may be some merit to a massclaim, I just think it's peculiar that she bothers bringing that up right after she asks to be replaced out. Making the whole vig-SK distinction strikes me as peculiar also, the Mafia would have a better idea as to whether an SK is in the game or not, and so if we find out there is a Vig rather than an SK, I really think this slot should be looked at closely for a lynch.
If you're still that pissed off after like a week since the first comment, it's not my problem, and NORMALLY I wouldn't bring up you replacing out and pressuring you because of it, but when you try and use it as a town-tell (as well as RBD and Azusa, who essentially served as your mouthpieces) it's gotta be treated with a certain degree of criticism and becomes fair game. If that makes you mad, so be it; I haven't done anything that I think warrants an apology.
Nice point about the SK-Vig distinction except that Yoshi made the distinction first. He also assumes that RBD was shot by Vig/SK rather than Inte. You know something we don't Yoshi?
Nope, I just wanted someone to catcj that. That gives me a town tell on you now. A reverse gambit, if you will.
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Because if it is BBMDTT, the SK can claim vanilla and 2 or 3 of the 3 mafia can claim whatever power roles add 2 letters (1-shot doc and a mason pair works, for example).
Finally, if we massclaim, don't do it all willy-nilly. Seilkops will generate a random list of names, and we will go by that.
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In post 814, seilkops wrote:I am open to mass claiming. I'd want to see a really good explanation of how we are doing it though, and a general confirmation from everyone. Or at least 75% of the players to agree.
Did you read why I wrote massclaiming is a bad idea?
The general idea behind the massclaim is that you keep the power roles alive and lynch the vanillas. Since the mafia can so easily claim powerroles at this point, massclaiming doesn't help us at all.-
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