Open 447: Overturn To Riddler Day 1...

[Klick]

I wasn't told this started.

VOTE: Salamence THIS needs to happen.

[Klick]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=22599

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Nonetheless, I could also support a Venrob policy, but it's not as urgent.

[Klick]

Hmm. Looks like you did some research.

Yes, everyone, I'm kondi. Thanks for the announcement.

[Klick]

@saulres: Your rant is a sign of laziness, but I'll consent.

He claimed scum as town to get lynched in Polygamist Mafia (4 pairs of town lovers and a Mafia who has to keep all its players alive to win) because he didn't like his partner.

Unfortunately, he hasn't shown any signs of getting better.

One of {Salamence, Venrob} needs to go today. Having both in a possible LyLo would really suck. I personally think Venrob is the lesser of two evils.

[Klick]

I do have a big suspect outside of those two, but I'm going to refrain from bringing it up right now.

Just a side note, I was also in the only other running of this setup.

[Klick]

I played a game with him, and he wasn't really helpful at all. He ended up replacing out due to a reason I forget. I'll go look at it.

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I'm

being distracting? I'm the one being asked the questions.

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Not in general, but I was being blamed for the irrelevant discussion.

[Klick]

UNVOTE:

Salamence is probably town, unfortunately.

I'll see what I can get from this later today.

[Klick]

He just replaced out of another game, so...

[Klick]

Alright, I'm going to put some effort into this now. Questions will be answered in my next post.

[Klick]

So I'm going to try to find the scum using PoE, mostly because

I forgot why I suspected saulres

it's much easier for me.

Salamence is Town because he was pushing for a PL on Venrob when, if he's scum, the easiest option for him is to keep him around to LyLo and hope he screws up. He also finds me suspicious at one point, but sticks to a Venrob PL over a me lynch.

njoseph is town, and I want to wait until everyone is more active and the game is in a later stage before I explain this one.

That leaves 4nx, Disturbed, saulres, and Venrob.

I have absolutely no tell either way coming from 4nx or Venrob. That can be dealt with later, I guess.

saulres has a pretty compelling argument against Sal. I'm inclined to agree, I didn't like his push for Venrob one bit.

That said, I don't see any reason to believe the claim. His actions speak against him. I'm still happy with where my vote is at.

Edit:
@ njoseph: What townie motivation does Sal have to join this game and push for a Venrob lynch? Personally, I don't see one.

This post disturbs me. (lol wow, pun not intended) He's full-on Salamence lynch, based primarily on saulres' case. SOMETHING in this post is telling me that Disturbed is Mafia, but I don't know what exactly it is. It feels like fake scumhunting.

For saulres, there was something earlier that made me think he was Mafia, but I forgot it. Oh well.

VOTE: Disturbed

[Klick]

He's a VI. He's not pro-town.

Actually, this is the only thing you've put against Sal yourself:

I strongly disagree with the Venrob policy lynch and Sal seems to want to push it. Might as well vote the guy whose vote I disagree the most with.

And you're right, I don't have a case. I have a suspicion.

[Klick]

Salamence, VI is the politically correct term. The real term for you (as well as myself) would have to be "abstract player." In that sense, I also consider myself a VI.

Basically, you're considered a VI if you play in a controversial way that others will only see as anti-town, i.e. supporting PLs. You don't have the same ideas of correct town play as the majority. I'm the same way.

As for the scenario you provided, it's just an example of me being an abstract player. It did end up helping the success of the game.

(I may sound philosophical because I've been watching Death Note and Code Geass recently)

[Klick]

Actually, Post #127 is wrong. He was assuming that lynching

himself

would put us in LyLo, which is obviously going to be his PoV.

[Klick]

If he's town, he

doesn't

know that lynching Venrob will put us in LyLo.

[Klick]

So what's your reasoning for suspecting me other than me not having what you consider much evidence on you?

Little evidence is better than none.

[Klick]

So what's your reasoning for suspecting me other than me not having what you consider much evidence on you?

Little evidence is better than none.

Actually, your whole game so far has been suspicious. You came in here jumping on the Sal wagon, pushing the PL, and when Sal hit L-1 and claimed, you suddenly jumped off the wagon because Sal was "probably town".

Think about what you just said.

[Klick]

To answer both of you, I didn't actually start trying to find Salamence's alignment until about Page 4.

Meanwhile, Kondi is distracting you from actual scumhunting by showing you a complete list of Salamence misreps.

This was where he suspected me. Even if it was slight, he still pushed the PL over the suspicion.

[Klick]

V/LA until Saturday.

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4nx, I want you to know that you're one of my top two suspects for Disturbed's partner, the other being Minerals.

If you had to vote Disturbed or Sala right now, who would you vote?

[Klick]

Well, that's a problem, as I've already explained that Sal is obviously town.

[Klick]

I'm obviously not voting Sal.

[Klick]

Hope everything works out for you, Elmo.

Anyway, the njoseph flip completely surprised me. He was my top townread. I can never read players that I don't already know.

I think the Cop should claim.

PEdit: lol

[Klick]

Heh. VOTE: Riss

Sala, saul and I are now confirmed town, so it's game.

[Klick]

Cop claims guilty on another player. Either he's scum or his guilty is scum. All others are confirmed innos.

GG

[Klick]

I agree, 4xniety completely called it. He definitely won this for us, I say he's the MVP of this game.