Open 432: Robo's PYP (Game Over)

[Brandi]

It was the only time I had ever seen a VT fake claim a PR

wait what

[Brandi]

/wrists

this game is giving me anxiety

now I remember why I never sign up for games

[Brandi]

Ok AV

I feel like you are genuinely trying to convince me

but I still think we shouldn't end the day early.

There's also the fact that you are talking more, which scum would know that everything they say like calling people scum/town/directing lynch orders would bite them in the ass later.

[Brandi]

what does GG NO RE even mean

[Brandi]

well I know what GG means

but "RE"

and IMO I still don't see PP as a scumbuddy to absta

I think it would be DV. or even Sawyer.

[Brandi]

*sigh*
If you are telling the truth then I feel really guilty for getting overly worked up about this, when it's really so simple.
Occam's Razor.
I need to remember that one.

vote: Absta

Sorry absta, if you're town- AV will die no worries.
Gonna follow my heart on this one.

[Brandi]

unvote

:S

[Brandi]

[Brandi]

but that's not fakeclaiming as scum
there are merits to fakeclaiming a PR as town, to prevent the real PR from getting NK'd

[Brandi]

vote: AurorusVox

There is just too much logical evidence to support absta as the real vig.
and if I'm wrong, FINE. It's not lylo. My heart is stupid. Maybe my brain is stupid too.
I don't care any more I want to be rid of this stress.

also AtE is almost always from town IME

[Brandi]

unvote

I'll be back later when my head feels less crazy.

[Brandi]

lol
I'm obv town
come off it, srsly

[Brandi]

that's another reason why I'm not so instantly believing in you being town,
anyone who would call me scum at this point is off their rocker or scum
because I'm just going to get NK'd anyway so it wouldn't mean anything for scum to call me scum

[Brandi]

Natalie tunneling on my slot all of D1.
BK pretty much confirming me as town with my saying it's impossible for there to be a jail-keeper in this game because scum would be retarded to do so.

But uh, I honestly don't think you're dumb enough to believe I'm scum if you're town.
And if you are, well I guess you don't know me very well.
But anyone who's played with me before would say I'm obv town

[Brandi]

Natalie only ever says that after I do, pretty sure.

Also there was a point in the game where me and Absta were tunneling on each-other, him calling me scum and vice versa.
I was pretty certain he was scum at that point but he managed to change my mind.

I'm never scum, but If I was- I wouldn't be confident enough to ever pursue any sort of bus.
And the fact that I'm never scum I can sympathize with someone like Absta, who also claims to never be scum, and I can see from his point of view.

Also the fact that you are trying to appeal to me with "BRANDI DON'T FUCK THIS UP" but then also calling me scum.

Like which is it.
Do you think I'm going to fuck it up for the town or do you think I'm going to fuck it up for the scum?
Self voting, and claiming to want to self vote- also scummy.
Either way your ploys are only deterring me from voting in your favor.

And if you are legitimately town, then I'm sorry but you are honestly just very scummy in comparison to Absta.

[Brandi]

Oh my god Brandi.

Vote absta in penance for that Starbucks wagon

I wish I had a town read on you

If I did I would definitely do this

[Brandi]

This will be a learning experience for you guys.
Brandi hates making such serious decisions.
I have a hard enough time picking out what I want on a menu because I never go out to eat and worry I wont pick the thing I would have liked the most.
It's a shitty and annoying aspect of my personality, and I apologize.

But, I will put down a stable vote in time.
I just feel I'm too uncertain to keep one right now.
Now I'm seriously going to go- I haven't slept in 20 hours or so and I'm sore as fuck.
I'll try to only nap for a few hours.

[Brandi]

goodmorning.
Ok so.

Others have chimed in.

vote: absta

We have to make a decision. If we are wrong, we are wrong. But if we are, scum are dying 100% tomorrow.

[Brandi]

Reason: Absta only came in to flip out at me for voting him yesterday, but once I pulled my vote off of him- he went mostly quiet again.
I feel like he's more caring about his life than he should be. He should know that we would lynch correctly regardless.
Yes he did breadcrumb early, but scum can breadcrumb too.
I just get the feeling AV cares more about the town than absta does.

Now if I am horribly wrong and Absta is the true vig, he can take solace in the fact that we will lynch AV's lemony face off tomorrow.

[Brandi]

It is most likely DeasVail.

Not lynching today:
Purrfect Panda
ReckonerX

[Brandi]

Also before lock can I just say
Vig + JK makes sense as a combo
Since JK adds to the chances that a vigs kills will be nullified.

ALSO AV if you are reading, this is still wrong. JK should never be picked- JK can also nullify scum's kills. It is a doctor and a roleblocker in one. Not worth the risk for scum, no matter what.


oh right and

vote:DeasVail

[Brandi]

I'll be posting a town case on Purrfect Panda later.
Most I can say right now is re-read BK.

[Brandi]

It's mostly POE, you are most likely scum DV, sorry.
If it's not you, it's sawyer.

[Brandi]

Sawyer, where did I say you weren't on my list?
As I've said, it's either you or DV.

It is most definitely not Panda.

[Brandi]

Reasons Panda is town:

My vote on Nat is just sheeping BK. My vote on Panda is way more productive.

Vote: Panda

@Panda

- All my previous points still stand. Add the fact that you and Brandi mentioned JK before anyone else and you're looking more scummy than ever.

Here scum votes for Panda as a compromise wagon to his scumbuddy.

And Slandaar's plan is pretty foolproof. Why would you still want Elmo to be lynched after looking at it? Unless you can find a major flaw in it, I don't see the town motivation in you wanting Panda dead.

Panda is town. I don't think Nat is some genius scum who said this knowing she would die Day 1.

Also this.

@Sawyer: it's pretty even. My main reasoning for DV is because of how scummy monty was D1. Nat calling him scum without giving reasons also feels like a weak bus on possibly the "weakest" scum member.
Re-reading though it seems like it actually is more likely to be you than DV. But I'll keep my vote on DV for now as I don't want to quick lynch and be wrong. We should use this day to consider as much information as possible.

[Brandi]

Reck is pretty obv town. His reactions towards the end of the day after Absta was hammered is pretty telling of that.

@Everyone: Who will you absolutely not lynch today?

I've already answered the above but for consistency:

WILL NOT LYNCH

1. Panda
2. Reck.

[Brandi]

I'll probably reread stuff and decide what I think at some point today. I'm pretty lost at the moment.

Also not having any clear opinions after all this time?

DV who is your biggest town read?
Who is your biggest scum read?

Give me something, anything. Not having any opinions at this point is ridiculous.


Also another reason why Sawyer is not my #1 is because BK said a few things about Sawyer being town.
Well he was right about Natalie and Absta; Wrong about Starbuck. He also considered DV as a scum read.

I'll find those posts by BK.

[Brandi]

One more for the town pile -- Sawyer. After looking carefully at some things both Nat and Sawyer have said, I find it hard to believe they would be scum together.

1. Who is your top scumspects?

2. Who will you be willing to lynch before deadline if your scumspect does not have the votes ?

3. Who will you absolutely NOT lynch?

1. Absta, Starbuck, DV
2. Sawyer
3. Brandi, Panda, Shamrock

[Brandi]

I am being cautious when I say this; DV is probably town.

I always found the Monty wagon an overexaggerated wagon that gained traction quickly based on nearly nothing.

Scum could easily be Natalie/Absta/Kyle

Need to think. I have way too many scumreads.

absta what do you think about my scumteam in 492?

1. I know you're wrong.
2. I know that the idea of that scum team is new and that you have little confidence in it.

Kyle = Reck.

Now, Absta says "I know you're wrong"
well, he know's he's scum, he know's nat is scum. The only way he could be wrong is if Kyle/Reck isn't scum.

I think this was absta being cheeky scum, by telling the truth.

[Brandi]

Reck

read my posts this day, all of them. I have clear town cases on you and Panda. Do not have doubts about panda.
If we mis-lynch today and you two are in lylo together (assuming I'm NK'd) it should be a clear choice.

There is literally no way in mind that either of you are scum.
If you want I can dig up all the reasons why I am town to put your mind at ease as well.

[Brandi]

Also try not to think too much on what is logical for scum to do this game.
Scum has done a TON of dumb things to the point of ridiculousness.

[Brandi]

I disagree that my question would help scum more than town.
At this point everyone should have a few clear opinions, and not be wishy-washy.

Panda hasn't made sense ALL game. But it doesn't really matter since he's town.
Like Sawyer. READ MY POSTS. Panda is OBV town.
He thinks you're scum- maybe he's wrong. Maybe his reasoning is stupid/bullshit.

But it MAKES 0 LOGICAL SENSE FOR PANDA TO BE SCUM.

1. Why would absta vote panda as a counter wagon to natalie if Panda is scum?
2. Why would natalie say that the vig shooting Panda was a fool proof plan?


DV has been coasting all game. He has given nearly 0 thought- out opinions. When it came to absta vs. Vox, he claimed that he believed Vox, and gave reasons why- but never voted him.
Panda is the one that hammered.

You even said it yourself that Panda was scum if Vox was scum:

Don't bail on me now brah you're my only hope for the town

That kinda seemed liked a way to incriminate Reck in the event of a absta town flip. So if Vox is scum, Panda will be next.

So wait You think Panda was scum regardless? Then what was the point of saying that at all?

Panda is. not. scum.
I know you want to think he is because of the crazy ridiculous things he's said. But re-read the interactions between him and conf. scum.
The logic behind Pandascum just isn't there.

If it weren't so glaringly obvious how town Panda is because of that I would definitely be supporting his lynch right now.

[Brandi]

BTW: gonna be gone tomorrow and possibly all of Tuesday. Might be able to make a post before I leave if I don't sleep in.

[Brandi]

Sawyer that's two different kinds of logic. The one's I'm referring to here are based on looking back at what other TOWN players have said and connections scum have made.
You are basing your read on one person and their sole actions.

There are two options today.

YOU, or DV.
Pick one.

[Brandi]

@Reck/Panda:

Look, Sawyer is likely scum and I understand that.
But I feel scum would lynch anything that is NOT them today- and not care about "town reads"- they don't want town to have any solid reads on anyone.

Please vote DV with me. He is 90% the last scum, Sawyer is 70%.

IF YOU LET DV LIVE TODAY.
YOU BETTER LYNCH HIM TOMORROW.

[Brandi]

intent to hammer.
sawyer: claim.

[Brandi]

Innocent Child.

I'll PM the Mod for confirmation.

There you have it.
Vote DV.

[Brandi]

PP take your vote off Sawyer NOW

[Brandi]

and if it's not DV then yes it is Reck, which is hard to believe given his reactions at the end of the day, but I would definitely vote Reck over PP.

[Brandi]

I am leaving literally RIGHT now Ill try to check in on osmeone elses computer later ok bye

[Brandi]

Reck are you seriously scum? Don't be fucking retarded I am practically conf. town if you READ this fucking game you would know that.

WHY WOULD I SPEND THIS DAY CLEARING YOU AND PANDA IF I WAS SCUM? SCUM ONLY WANT TO FUCKING GRANT SUSPICION ON EVERYONE

IF I WERE FUCKING SCUM I WOULD BE PUSHING FOR PANDA WHICH SAWYER HAS WANTED TO DO BECAUSE PANDA HAS DONE ENOUGH DUMB INCRIMINATING THINGS TO GET EASILY MISLYNCHED.

IF ITS NOT DV ITS YOU BECAUSE PANDA IS ALSO 99.99% CONF TOWN WHICH I CONFIRMED WITH MY POSTS THIS DAY IF YOU WOULD FUCKING READ.

I WAS DANCING ON THE ABSTA WAGON BECAUSE I THOUGHT HE WAS TOWN AND YOU+AV WERE THE SCUM. AVS POSTS WERE SCUMMY AS SHIT AND YOU TWO WERE BUDDYING HARD. AT THAT POINT I HAD GONE 20 HOURS WITHOUT SLEEP BUT AFTER I SLEPT I CAME IN AND VOTED ABSTA.
ITS NOT PANDA>
ITS NOT ME.
ITS YOU OR FUCKING DV AND IF YOU ARE FUCKING TOWN YOU WILL VOTE DV.

I AM CONFIRMED TOWN BECAUSE OF HOW NATALIE TUNNELD ON ME D1. READ THE FUCKING GAME. IF YOU ARE HONESTLY TOWN YOU WILL BE THE SOLE REASON WE LOSE THIS BECAUSE OF NOT READING.

[Brandi]

OK ON MY PHONE NOW bcuz ythill doesnt want me on his compuuter. Ok so reck says im settinng up lynches for lylo? hes fucking buddying up to DV TRYING TO GET DV HIMSELF AND PANDA IN LYLO. ive already claimed reck as obv town but fuck the fact that he wants me dead at this ppoint proves he doesnt want me in lylo bcuz panda and i both have town reads on eachother.

unvote vote:reck

[Brandi]

Dv look you should understand my scum read on you but your defense of me at this point proves youre not scum. Reck called me town yesterday and now im suddenly scum? he knows if i live he will get lynched tomorrow. notice he says its either panda or brandi but votes me. thats how fucking much he doesnt want me in lylo. ........well guess what reck you w9oulda won nking me and leaving sawyer al8ive cause sawyer woulda voted panda. your vote for me is a scum claim ONE VEE ONE MOTHAFUCKA YOU ARE NOT WINNING THAT EASY YOU LAZY COASTING STARBUCK LYNCHING CHEEKY FUCKING SCUM

[Brandi]

Sawyer i couldnt do that then cause to me starbuck was scum. if reck were town he would not have lynched her. end of. look sawywer its not panda. there is just nooooooo way. i thoought for sujre reck was town because of his reads yesterday and his reactions but the fact that hed vote me today proves he is scum. he is experienced enough at this game not to play so badly. if he was honestly town...he would KNOW IM TOWN. the only other game ive played with reck.... He was scum. and he acted the exact same. he is onlyn voting me now bcuz he wants to buddy wth dv cause he thinks panda would be an easy mislynch without me. just iso reck. he even said when he replaced in starbuck was conf town ...he has hung out witth her IRl and knows how to read her. he would have not hopped oon her wagon so easily at the end of the day like that. and reck shut up cheeky scum. you think imm that easy of a t5arget after all the blood and sweat ive put into this town?

[Brandi]

...my pphone limits my chqaratters and doesnt lett me line break. s anywyay. fuck you reck. I HAVE

[Brandi]

...my pphone limits my chqaratters and doesnt lett me line break. s anywyay. fuck you reck. never posting any content until im gone and dont have easy access. never postting anything useful ever but thinking yolu can take this townn down so easily. I did not waste several sleepless nights like aftger absta got hammered freaking out cause i thought i made the wrong choice when the mod nhad to waitt oovern 24 fuckin hours to post a 4 line lynch scene to cure my fuckin anxiety. i spent all that time re reading the whole game looking for scum connections and getting clear town reads. I have done my homework and you have done nothing. there has only been one mislynch this game and Fuck if im wrong about someone scummy that their best friend would call scum. i thought absta was scum way before andc had long ass arguments wiith h8im but star4buck changed my mind. my6 reads havent been the best but ive tri3ed my damndestt with this game and you cant even

[Brandi]

Try to insult my play becus you wouldnt know it because the most you know is summaries of what youn skimmed wwhen you cried aqt otherws to play the game for you. if you are scum i cant blame you too much because of how tow sided this game has been but dont you dare insult me as person calling me LLD when you know im fucking town working the hardest i can to make sure tolwn fucking wins. imm not insulting you as a person with my phone posts n u know it im just appalled because i worked so hard to clear you in my mind. i argue against your lynch today. ive done the research. has to be dv or sawyer i think.....thannk FUCKING GOD SAWYER IS INNOCEENT CHILD THIS IS EAAAASY TOWN WINS RECK WILL COME IN HERE AND SEE IT AND DO THE RIGHT THING. I HAD SO MUJCH FZAITH IN YOU KNOWING HOW GOOD YOU ARE AND RESPECTING YOU AAS A PLAYER....I Felt i coud take a rest and spend some time with my friends for a day. but no. you shatter all my hard work jusst like that and make me change mmy town read on you.. you had to be scum.

[Brandi]

Reck and im honestly sorry if anything ive said has sounded rude or bitchy no matter what u r a friend im jjust doing whaqt i think is right. if i sound insulting its probably cause of my period and also cause its hard to get my thoughts out ina pleasing manner with this shitty little sprint pphone but no man i love you ok for real i just honestly nthink ur scum right now so dont take it in a bad way. that lld comment made me almost cry becuz i dont wanna be that type of person so im rly sorry if i made u feelo like that

[Brandi]

I told you
1) I was (still am) on my period
2) I was posting from a cell phone and it's really difficult to type properly because I don't have a smart phone.

I'm losing my shit because I am glaringly obvious town and the fact that you would call me scum is essentially a scum claim.
There's nothing else to it.

I'm pissed because I had you pegged as town and now you have to come in and completely make me change my read on you.

It has nothing to do with the fact that I have one vote, it's because it -you- and I expected much better from you- because I THOUGHT you were town.

I didn't take time to refute it because I was over at a FRIENDS HOUSE AND THEY WANTED ME OFF THEIR COMPUTER AND ITS REALLY DIFFICULT TO LOAD A PAGE AND READ IT LET ALONE TYPE A PROPER LOOKING SENTENCE.


Here is the thing: You don't know me. You don't know how I play. You don't know what I would do as scum. You have called me town all game and then suddenly you call me scum out of nowhere?
It doesn't make sense for you as town.

[Brandi]

And Reck the invitational you were scum, and you played the exact same way.

You call me scum for voting for Starbuck but what the fuck? You called her scum. I trusted you. We mislynched once- BK- a confirmed town- mislynched as well. You can't call me scum for that.
If you are legitimate town and -you- thought starbuck was scum- how can you call that a scumtell for me- someone who knows nothing of how starbuck plays?

[Brandi]

And as a note, I am never scum. But if I was- I can guarantee that I would not make it this far as scum with my little knowledge of how to play mafia in general much less how to play as scum.
AtE and overemotionalness is my meta so far- because it fucking happens because games can last more than a month.


You have to understnad things from my perspective- I'm town and I've spent sleepless nights putting this shit together- I work hard, show why you are town- why panda is town- make it -clear- on how town can win this game and suddenly one of my top town reads does a major flop on me and starts making literally no sense. It doesn't make sense for you to be town and I want to believe you are so we can win this game but I seriously just do NOT understand how you can see me as scum at this point after everything I've done and everything that's happened.

I pride myself on my town game this game- because I feel like in the end- Panda is definitely town and I'm the only one defending them- I made the right decision on Absta after getting my head together- I was right about BK being town even though the town got him to claim D1 JK and I wouldn't touch his wagon with a 10 foot pole but scum was all over it-

there's just too many factors for everything I've done right and in the best interest of town.
And here I am trying to rationalize you possibly still being town.
But it's hard when it legit doesn't seem like you care if the town wins or not and haven't tried to play this game at all.

[Brandi]

Like seriously you think someone like me who has not played mafia in several years except the /invitational and another ongoing game when I got back from scummer of love would be some sort of SCUM mastermind and

1. Get bussed hardcore by scum D1
2. Jump all over my other scum buddy D2 where we back and forth call each other scum
3. Flip flop on my scum buddy vs. the claimed vig D3
4. SPend 50 hours reading through this game multiple times to try and set up town cases before this game potentially gets to Lylo to make the game easier for the town.

There is literally no reason for me as scum to work so hard to clear Panda or even you, which I have tried my damnedest to find reasons why YOU are town. And I have found a couple but not many.
But you were certainly townier than Sawyer and DV.


Like if you are scum this is essentially a waste of breath but if you are legit town then I want you to re read DV and re read scums interactions with me vs. DV vs. Panda and come to some real conclusions.
Not just votes, because vote count analysis is never as good as actual looking back at interactions.

[Brandi]

- I have never, ever hung out with Starbuck in real life, so that line is just blatant bullshit. And I can read Starbuck, I had a gut town-read on her, it remained a town-read, and I hammered partly out of frustration and partly out of drunkenness.

I'm sorry. I thought you two went to a meet together. I remember a time were you two were super buddybuddy all over the site and I thought you mentioned times of hanging out together IRL. I'm sorry for saying that then. :/

You say I've done nothing while you've done a ton, right? Let's see... it was I who tried to stop the Starbuck wagon, it was you who was pushing it through. It was I who was screaming for absta's blood for over two days, and it was you who did everything in your power NOT to lynch absta. It was also you who tunneled on the goddamned innocent child the entire game. Exactly what is it that you've done that is so great for town? By my book, I'm two for two, and you're zero for three.

You voted for her.
You said
"Starbuck are you actually scum?"
You saying this literally made me feel super confident in my vote on her- and that she was scum. Because I thought you two could read eachother super well.
It was one mislynch.
My reads are not perfect and come on- starbuck was incredibly scummy. You said it yourself.
I vote for BOTH the scum that has been lynched this game.


Also I was NOT AWARE you and DEAS have ever played together.
I have never played with him before, I don't even know who he is.
All I know is I've seen him coasting all game and his slot never being on any scum wagons.

[Brandi]

That's the biggest scum overreaction I've ever seen, and since this is so goddamned out of character for you, yes, I believe you're faking it.

Also this specifically.
I would never fake something like this.
I could never bring myself to do it. Because this is who I am as a person. I get over emotional.

But okay Reck. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you are town. And I'm sorry that you seem to think I'm scum.
I will post a proper town case on myself later on for you and make it short and concise, and re-state my town case on panda.

I honestly feel if it's not you there is no way it could be Panda, it has to be Deas.

unvote

[Brandi]

And let me tell you something about me Reck.
I have strong anxiety attacks.

If this were early game I wouldn't mind you thinking I'm scum or even getting lynched but the fact this is so close to end game is REALLY stressful. I have never been in a situation like this before, I never live so long.
I'm taking it very seriously because I don't want to be wrong.

Your reaction to the Absta/Vox thing after the hammer was exactly the same as mine, reading it after the game was locked.
I checked the thread repeatedly and couldn't focus on anything or even sleep for several hours because I was so worried that absta was town and that Vox was actually the scum and I let him manipulate me.
I know I'm taking this game WAY too seriously but I can't fucking help it.

yeah maybe all that sounds like "AtE" but it's the fucking truth. Anyone who knows me well knows I'm like this- similar to how Singer is, I have seen her express the same types of frustration over mafia games when she visited and now I know exactly how she feels.

[Brandi]

That's a lot to read and the only thing I can process right now is that you say I called Starbuck scum but that's a blatant misrep because I never said that.

well read all of it because I'm tired of repeating myself. I had a lot of things to say and I had calmed down since then.

and You did.

You said "Starbuck, are you actually scum?"
which means you thought she could be scum.

which is why I thought I was right about her.

[Brandi]

Me asking a question to Starbuck does not constitute me having a scum read on her. Calling one of her actions scummy (which is what I did) is not me starting to have a scum read on her. Your insistence to the contrary is laughable.

insistence to the contrary?
lol

no it's that the fact that you acted as if you thought she could be scum- is why I was confident in my read on her.
You voted for her even.

And she was scummy. She was the only mislynch this game, also.

[Brandi]

Guys, where are you?

Not scum:
1. Sawyer (100% conf. town)
2. Brandi (99.5% town)
3. Panda (99% town)

Scum:
1. DV (80% scum)
2. Reck (70% scum)

I will lynch DV or Reck today but I need you to talk, Sawyer, Panda.
Sawyer I know you are certain Panda is scum but I absolutely will not lynch her.
Panda, I'm not sure what you feel about DV completely.

[Brandi]

DV your opinions on Reck are actually way more important now that I know you two have played together

[Brandi]

because I'm not confirmed, only to myself. and 99.99 repeating is the same as 100%
So as not to break the logic of math I chose 99.5;

[Brandi]

You also think scum would openly claim that vigging their scumbuddy is a foolproof plan?

[Brandi]

Yes, Natalie:

And Slandaar's plan is pretty foolproof. Why would you still want Elmo to be lynched after looking at it? Unless you can find a major flaw in it, I don't see the town motivation in you wanting Panda dead.

[Brandi]

But Elmo's "slip", WHICH WAS NOT A SLIP AT ALL AND YOU ARE AN IDIOT IF YOU ACTUALLY THOUGHT IT WAS, is the most illuminating piece of information in this game. Post 330 is the truth except for obvtown on BK. When I went V/LA, I just copied and pasted a message into the thread without reading it. I doubt BK read that and didn't say anything about it. And if he did, that's more likely to come from scum who doesn't want to react the wrong way.

Brandi's and Starbuck's reactions scream scum. Starbuck is reluctant to join the wagon, which is extremely scummy. IF YOU THOUGHT IT WAS A SLIP, YOU WOULDN'T WAIT AND LET THEM EXPLAIN THEMSELVES. It actually looks like Starbuck might be waiting for her scum partner to come and save himself.

This seems to support Panda-town to me, as I think taking such an aggressive against-the-norm opinion about a scumbuddy is unlikely.

also this^

in regards to Panda's "scumslip" gambit D1.

[Brandi]

...Reck, why is it that you don't consider DV as scum again?

and DV, I just quoted a post where you said that Panda was likely town in response to that very point I made (which is a point I got from re-reading BK, who has had fairly solid reads all game other than Starbuck)

[Brandi]

And reck if you are town, then I am genuinely sorry for not being townie enough to make this easier on you.
I have knowledge of this game but not the experience. I know part of my job as a townie is to help other townies believe in me, so that finding scum is easier.
I just don't see how Panda can be scum, and I know I'm not scum.
It's the only defining factor as to why you are on the list, POE- same with DV.

Though my uh... bleeding time... is pretty much over- and I see how ignorant it is for me to think that a scum read on me makes someone scum.
But I honestly feel if you had read through this game, you would know that I'm town.

Not because of my play alone, but because it doesn't make logical sense for all the scum to all be head to head triple bussing each other the whole game. :/

[Brandi]

That sounds so townie. :S
Now if it turns out Panda is actually the scum I've done some horrible things.
This game shouldn't be so damn stressful.
Maybe it's not my place to argue so valiantly for something when my reads have been very bad all game.

[Brandi]

Well I still feel you are town, just I'm going to feel really guilty if I'm wrong, because I yelled so much about it.

[Brandi]

Reck have you slept enough yet?

[Brandi]

so if Panda is town you think a decision between Reck and DV will be easier? :/ I really don't like the idea of that situation. -sigh-

[Brandi]

vote: DeasVail

Well, DV is still in my mind the most likely to be scum here.
If I'm wrong, I promise I wont instantly just jump on to Reck.
I wouldn't be so careless if this isn't the end.

[Brandi]

Really?
Goddammit, I'm sorry DV. :/

[Brandi]

I would feel like complete shit if PP is the scum, but it's possible. :/
I mean obv I was wrong about you?
Reck just sort of convinced me with all that back and forth from earlier.

[Brandi]

Ugh. I have such a sinking feeling now.
After this game is over I really need to do something to address this intense anxiety I'm getting in my mafia games. I really love this game but I feel like playing it is dominating my thoughts way too much. :/

[Brandi]

I don't think I would get as stressed if I were scum cause I'd expect to lose.
I guess I just don't like the idea of letting down a giant group of people who worked so hard by having bad/wrong reads.

[Brandi]

k, have fun

[Brandi]

someone say something T_T

[Brandi]

It doesn't make any logical sense for Panda to be scum, therefore Reck is the only obvious choice.
I mean I suppose it's possible, but I don't see how.

I think Reck is really beat up about replacing into a scum game where he didn't have much of a chance, though I commend him on his hard bussing of Absta. It really made me think he was town for a while.

[Brandi]

You could just be saying that to manipulate me. :/

[Brandi]

See blatant insulting statements like that only more cement my idea of you being scum. I don't think you'd be so snarky and rude if you were honestly town.

[Brandi]

I don't think this is a time where there is anything that is substantial, really? It just seems like that kind of behavior is something scum would harbor.
But I'll look up your game Reck.

[Brandi]

Yeah, I looked at it. You indeed had some snarky moments. But you also had a lot more "moments" in general. You were very very active. But I suppose that could have been because of the theme and the players, I don't know.

[Brandi]

We have 3 days left, and I'm not feeling at all confident.
No one seems to want to really discuss much of anything.
I may not be used to Lylo, but I do know that not making deadline is autolose.
We need to come to a decision. :/

[Brandi]

Well, finally got a completed game on the site this year that's not an /invitational:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=22892

Reck

, if you read this, you can see me on my alt (RARITY) and how I acted that game is pretty much exactly how I acted in this game. Specifically the arguments between me (town) and DJ (scum);
Scum (DJ PON-3) tunneled on me hard early game and coasted until I claimed, I had to replace out because of another player ruining the game for me in person, and then that scum won. (Not as important)

[Brandi]

Because I'm trying to help town win the game? And if you are town you need to believe I'm town?
If I were scum I wouldn't have made it to lylo. I don't know how to play scum and I never draw scum.

[Brandi]

I agree. So much lurking in lylo is actually why I'm entertaining the idea of you being town.
I've been seriously wrong recently about a strong town read, as well. (game I linked :/)

[Brandi]

Can you prod elmo/rach again please? This is getting ridiculous. :/

[Brandi]

<3

[Brandi]

This is me not quick hammering.
Anything to say, Reck?

[Brandi]

Deadline is in one day. I'm not going to wait around forever.
I'm leaning towards Reck being scum anyway, but I still feel he should have a chance to say something since he has a vote on him.

[Brandi]

So now I get to make a fun decision. One everyone will either hate me or love me for. Mmm. I have to think.

[Brandi]

I've looked back over and over again, ISO'ing you both and re-reading conversations, checking connections...

vote: Reck

If you are town, I'm sorry, but I believe this to be the most logical choice.
In my mind, it doesn't make sense for Panda to be scum.

[Brandi]

Hooray!

[Brandi]

Sorry Starbuck. I just wanted to be sure. Sawyer was certain it was Panda, I just wanted to be right.


Is there a dead topic or something? I'd love to see it ^^

[Brandi]

Also Starbuck I did mention that part of my reason for believing ReckScum was how he treated you this game.
That DEFINITELY helped my decision.

[Brandi]

I feel so lucky not to have been brutally murdered.

I also apologize for my "raging/hormonal issues"
It was just a very BAD time, I have PMDD and stress really grates on me. I don't particularly care if me spilling that kind of information bothered anyone/grossed anyone out, as I'm a pretty open person. /shrug/
...But my behavior was a little on the rash side.

Reck calling me scum literally threw me for a loop, because I was SO CERTAIN he was town. I thought for a bit he was just being an incompetent townie- and thus I was very angry at him for (as town) not paying better attention. I felt for sure if he was town we would lose because of him. The night when that happened I had such limited access and I felt like I had to get my thoughts out right then and there. But I realize I should have just waited until I got home to say anything. I can't think too rationally during times like that- though.

I've only played 3 mafia games this year and have not played any for several years. Getting back into the mix of things has proven to cause me way more anxiety than I think it should. I'm not sure what to do about that.


I really think BK and Slandaar were great this game.
Slandaar called out the scum team completely, and a lot of BK's reads are what helped me in the end.
I did a LOT and I mean a -LOT- of re-reading. I felt like my mind was going to go numb from trying to piece together so much information.
My town case on panda took hours, literally, and It was SO grating. :I
My Reck 'town" case was definitely lacking though. I was just convinced with the absta bus, and perhaps had some blinders on to him for a while. Until he called me scum of course...
I honestly feel that leaving Sawyer alive might have won scum the game as sawyer really thought Panda was scum.

[Brandi]

I really think BK and Slandaar were great this game.
Slandaar called out the scum team completely, and a lot of BK's reads are what helped me in the end.

In retrospect, this game was probably my best performance as far as reads. (besides Starbuck :p)
Slaandar called the scum team Day 1 lol.
Brandi, you're my hero. I love enthusiastic players.

<3

[Brandi]

And yeah, Reck, I'm sorry, that really sucked for you. ;c

[Brandi]

Starbuck, I misread that somewhere on the site. I was completely wrong and feel bad for using it against Reck. I thought I saw pictures of you together. I'm crazy. <_<