VOTE: pwnzIn post 11, pwnz wrote:If a cannibal actually took the time to nicely cook and eat the thigh of another human being… would it... taste... good? Is that a sick thought?
VOTE: Vote nm8 This is a random vote.
I am not in favor of a massclaim.
Tell me what you think of his first post.In post 72, Om of the Nom wrote:In post 69, Nachomamma8 wrote:Om, why aren't you voting pwnz? I demand Cannibalscumblood, and I demand it soonish.
Because I'm personally not seeing how pwnz is scum. Explain if you want.
Which means you think they are town.
Agreed.In post 160, Nachomamma8 wrote:The four person massclaim idea. I'm trying to figure out how we'd manage it now, but I don't think it's something scum would ever come up with.
Mala is town. In this link we were both town, she asked me a question, and someone answered for me. She got annoyed and brought it up a few times, that town frustration shows in post 235. Besides she seems townish.In post 235, Malakittens wrote:Oh and do not answer for him Please. I want to hear his response. Thanks. <3
What does the bolded mean? That can be taken both ways.In post 282, McStab wrote:
BK201 should be getting votes. Sure, he had a V/LA in there, but the rest of his posts strike me as scum trying to justify false scumhunting. His first vote is justified as a reaction to RVS, and yet he has no follow-up. Declares two townreads (still no other scumreads). His whole demeanour is uncertainty but trying to appear town, with the massclaim,the subtle fanning of flames against Mala, and his justification of "need to reread" for more time. I know, I know, some hypocrisy here, but I think BK's scum.
Where? I've thought she was townish for as long as I can remember.In post 286, McStab wrote:You were pushing Mala-scum without voting for her.
I was basically asking Mala if she thought "they" (whoever they were, can't recall) were town. Since if they actually thought she was scum, then they would have to be town in her eyes. Don't think it was answered but it doesn't matter now. And of course I'm going to respond to your read on me, I was on at the time.In post 289, McStab wrote:
This implies that Mala knows they are town. After further review though, I retract my statement; I was incorrect.
All other arguments against BK hold, and it's peculiar the reaction it's elicited that I've targeted him. He still remains content-free in his ISO, and yet has reacted suddenly the moment light is shone upon him.
In post 294, TheFool wrote:Why I feel Mala is scum:
1) Her early game stance on the massclaim feels disengenuous. In 20, she says Cobbler's suggestion gives her a wrong gut feel, but I don't really see that tone is 8. It reads more questioning than accusatory. Also worth pointing out that post 8 says a massclaim would 'ruin the fun of hunting'. The only people that have to hunt less post-massclaim are the scum.
2) Overdefensivess. 15, 27, and 42 all feel jumpy. 85 is eye-rollingly AtE, with a bit more in 184. 234 overexplains her reasons for questioning Cobbler, which would be unnecessary if she were town, as her obvious motivation would be scumhunting.
3) Lack of scumhunting. Her case on on me is a weak vote on an earlygame wagon and a derp moment asking the wrong mod a question (which she still hasn't explained how that's scummy). Her case on Arugula is also his weak early wagon vote. She mentions him again in 184 but it's all IIoA, even going so far as to call it 'interesting', instead of making any actual judgment call. Other than a quick snipe at Cobbler, that's about it for scumreads. It's telling that both her main suspects are suspects specifically because they voted for her.
I think that about sums it up.
And just to head this off before it comes up again: no, Mala being defensive in other games as town does not mean she's town here. That's the worst sort of meta. Show me games where she's not defensive as scum and maybe you'll have a point.
I've scanned over the link Mala herself left in 35, and the 'overdefensiveness' there reads completely different anyway. I get more of an angry feeling from those posts, as opposed to the 'woe is me' in this game. I believe the difference is alignment motivated.
" ---Not true...town gets 3 confirmed town thus less scum-hunting. There really isn't a whole lot of a difference between Mala's posting styles in the game I've where she was scum and the game where she was town. I agree with Om that you can tell she tries harder to make her voice heard though as town.In post 297, BK201 wrote:
gtg but I'll share the scum game I had with mala that I'm going to ISO.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1075
Reads tend to change when you re-read the game. :/In post 306, Cobblerfone wrote:Vote: BK
McStab complains about how BK has a lack of scumreads, then BK comes in and says that it's easier to get townreads than scumreads (true, considering there's more town) but then he posts a list of reads with four of them being "null/scum" as if to say "nuh uh, I do have scumreads, you can't use that as evidence" without even addressing McStab.
I'm still weary of McStab. He's playing very safe, almost in a solely logical manner, but on the other hand, that is to be expected from an experienced player. He hasn't done anything that wouldn't be done by town though.
I'm not as sure about Mala and I'm still trying to figure out whether or not my read on her is valid but I think you're town via meta based on the two scum games I've seen of yours. Its hard to explain but I think it comes across as tone or just feel.
Was just asking for a summary of the case on Arugula.In post 337, TheFool wrote:BK's 335 is scummy in a "hey, give me an easy excuse to wagon hop" kinda way. The case on Arug is very easy to find at this point.
If Mala is scum as I suspect, BK's 334 is super scummy.
I can see that. If (s)he keeps lurking Arugula will get my vote.In post 340, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 189, Nachomamma8 wrote:In other news, I would be really happy with some more Arugula votes. After he voted Mala and Om started calling her town, Arugula started posturing so he could look like he had a solid case in case Mala flipped. His initial reasoning doesn't make that much sense (if the votes on you are pressure votes, doesn't it make sense to call the wagon on you bullshit? does it need explaining why to be the difference between town and scum?), and so he then puts the burden of proof on people with a townread to explain things so he can stay justified in his wagon if no one explains anything. When someone explains the case for her being town, here is his response:
Arugula wrote:1. Her reaction to the massclaim idea seemed fake.
2. Gut feeling. Her first posts were off.
3. Later says that massclaim gave her a bad gut feel despite not saying so originally.
4. Accuses Jal of tunneling on Page 2.
5. She tries to downplay things people find scummy about her.
6. Lurks the attention away.
...which, as you can see, is a bunch of bullshit and is reaching in a big way. Some is gut, some is hypocriticial lurking accusations, and the rest simply lacks scum intent. But he lists the reasons off like he has some fantastic case on Mala, but doesn't push it in a way that suggests he believes it. So, he's scum and needs lynching ASAP.
this is my favorite summary of the Arugula case, personally.
if you'd like it updated i can do that but i really shouldn't need to
It's a decent way to help scumhunt. Scum have to be in the bandwagoners, at least 2 of them.In post 358, McStab wrote:So you have three OMGUS votes out of the four on you. Impartial scumhunting, to be sure.
Om, was townish now null. I don't think he did anything I just changed my mind. Ftr Om is hard to read because he acts the same in all of his games (assuming he is sacrificing his town game for his scum game but w/e). Mala is fine, I think I can read her as scum since we were scum together not that long ago. I had two games recently before this where Johnny was posting exactly like he did here (not often and not a lot of scumhunting) but both times he was town so I just asked him to replace out if it was going to be the same. So yes it accomplished that if his replacement doesn't suck. Snowy stopping the walling doesn't affect me read, and I was probably wrong to ask for it to stop that. It's just a pain when you re-read.In post 363, TheFool wrote:Thanks, glad you appreciate it. What changed your read on Om, did he suddenly play against his meta? You were concerned about your read on Mala in between those two posts, is that done now? You wanted Johnny to participate more, did his replacing out accomplish that? You asked Snowy to stop walling and he basically did, what changed your read there?
If we weren't supposed to analyze your reads, what was the point of post 357?
She's gotten scummier over time; I agree.In post 448, TheFool wrote:
Looking back on it I wonder if people are still willing to run with the 'Mala is town because her town meta is overdefensiveness' thing. After completely ignoring my cases and questions in 99, 125, and 294, I'm not really feeling any overdefensiveness here. BK, Om, your thoughts?
Snowy b/c of the way it was posting early on. (apparently not consulting other head before posting + no scum-tells) White Shadows b/c of Johnny and I forgot why but I though I had another reason. Pwnz b/c I don't see scum coming up with that 4-4-4 mass-claim, at least not him.In post 479, Cobblerfone wrote:In post 476, BK201 wrote:Town
Snowy
White Shadows
TheFool
pwnz
Om of the Nom
Scum?
Jal
Malakittens
Cobblerfone
Why are Snowy, White Shadows, and pwnz town?
Why are Jal and I scum?
I read back on Nacho's posts.In post 511, Jal wrote:Yeah yeah reads change. But tothis? There's no real indicator BK has even devoted much into the game to read back and change his reads based on anything. I also feel like his reads sort of shift depending on who is under suspicion.
What do you think?
I feel like my life would be 100x easier if I had a definite read on him. Moving on.
Agreed.In post 511, Jal wrote:Cobbler, you've become my official towniest person in the game, based purely on meta
I agree with Nacho's reason for calling Snowy town. Not sure if poking at everyone is a scum-tell -- You want some town on your side. Snowy is a weaker town read of mine but it's good enough for now.In post 517, Jal wrote:Town
Snowy gives me glimpses of town and scum. Although I agree to an extent to Nacho's reasons for calling the slot town, I don't like the way Snowy accuses people and generally "pokes" just about everyone. Snowy is around my second-to-first choice of vote today. Calling thefool out there is just throwing me especially off.
@BK: What did you think of that?
I got that feeling too.In post 517, Jal wrote:Om is Om being Om which I don't know what that means. However, whereas Om is getting more suspicious of Mala the more people call her scum, the more I personally get worried. I just think it's weird.
Om is town.In post 523, Om of the Nom wrote:Man that attack is like seriously so horrible since you take everything out of context. I honestly thought you were town
VOTE: White Shadows
If you wanna say I scumslipped, then man up and fucking vote me back instead of voting someone who you've barely even pushed lately.
Can you go into detail on this?In post 519, Malakittens wrote:Alright something is pinging me on Jal and not in a good way.
Vote: Jal
BK,Ommy: the way Jal is playing is it similar to the Jal we had in the game Ommy modded?
That's what I thought, considering the question directly above your post with the vote and open 426. However I don't think one question like that means Jal is scum, and I also think the question was warranted considering how my reads changed w/o much (if any) reason.In post 543, Malakittens wrote:The same associate tells that Uberninja found before pushing for the Jal's lynch. Throwing questions back to make someone look scummy. Do you see the same thing here as you did there?
In post 518, Jal wrote:In post 514, BK201 wrote:I read back on Nacho's posts.
In your prior post you said you had no idea why and now you say because you read back on Nacho's posts. What?
In post 519, Malakittens wrote:Alright something is pinging me on Jal and not in a good way.
Vote: Jal
BK,Ommy: the way Jal is playing is it similar to the Jal we had in the game Ommy modded?
This, though probably not.In post 584, Jal wrote:I'll get back to you on it. Give me 24 hours to read back through the thread.
Right now it's a no.
I'm glad you pointed that out, Cobbler. This part also made me think. -- I know as scum I've felt the urge to joke away suspicion by bringing things up about myself before others do. That is because as scum you're focused on how your posts will be judged. This could prompt you to say something like "-and I'll place the dubious third vote on her-". Why did Pwnz feel the need to say that? Why was Pwnz thinking about that, to the point he had to joke it off? Maybe I was right in my first post of the game.In post 594, pwnz wrote:Instead, my personal suggestion is to lynch Malakittens, and I'll place the dubious third vote on her later to emphasize my point.
This doesn't make any sense.In post 621, pwnz wrote:If you know at this point that I'm a stickler for the third vote, and I made it a point of saying that my third vote for you was symbolic, why would you wait to vote for me third?
Interesting choice of words...
IDK yet. Fine with leaving my vote on pwnz though.In post 684, Om of the Nom wrote:I kinda dislike Mala's eagerness to claim but the claim checks out and makes sense, so it's believable to me.
@BK and Snowy: Who are your current scumreads?
In post 350, yellowbounder wrote:Carnivore animal, I am a cannibal
Vote Count
- BK201 (4) -
McStab, TheFool, pwnz, Om of the Nom
- Arugula (4) - White Shadows,
Nachomamma8, Snowy,Malakittens
- Snowy (1) -
Arugula
- JohnnyFarrar (1) -
Jal
- Malakittens (1) -
Cobblerfone
- TheFool (1) -
BK201
- Not Voting (0) -
none
In post 43, Om of the Nom wrote:Guys, Mala is like super obvtown here.
I agree with her though about how TheFool and Aru have the worst votes on her.
VOTE: TheFool
Cobbler is now town btw.
In post 84, Om of the Nom wrote:TheFool is scum because he did a shitty hop onto Mala's wagon.
Speaking of which, the Mala wagon still hasn't died yet and I am sad
In post 101, Om of the Nom wrote:In post 91, Nachomamma8 wrote:Om, how was the fool's hop better than Arugula's hop?
TheFool only had like one single reason to hop on Mala, Aru had a few at least. Though I'm not saying Aru's hop was good either.
Will respond to what Snowy is saying about me soon.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your use of the word 'better'.In post 708, Om of the Nom wrote:In post 706, BK201 wrote:I saved this as a draft earlier and forgot to finish the last part.
If you look at #42 and #84, Om calls TheFool scum but both times "lightens the blow"(is what I want to call it) by throwing out a statement about someone else right after. It's not as strong as ending your post on TheFool and I myself have done it before to "lighten the blow". #101 Just doesn't make sense in response to Nacho's #91.
So because he asks me why TheFool's hop wasn't as good as Aru's, it's weird that I'm mentioning Aru?
This is what I'm reading from your post, if this isn't what you're intending then please explain better.
