Open 440 - Donner Party - Game Over

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm here~

Massclaims are boring.

VOTE: Aragula

(I don't understand the above post at all

[JohnnyFarrar]

HEY I sort of forgot about this game... I'll be caught up some time this evening. Sorry for the wait.

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OK finally home. Starting my catchup post now.

UNVOTE:

[JohnnyFarrar]

What follows is every coherent thought that is going through my head as I read.

Spoiler:

Right away I like Jal for 10

Not ok with pwnz throwing down on a random vote for the best player in the game after two perfectly serious votes right before his post.

Null to Mala's reaction. Poo.

Cobbler is worrying about what "could be seen as an attempt at buddying" in 13? Why?

Also, asking "what am I doing that makes me seem scummy" also gives me a bad feeling.

OOF. This may be a playstyle gripe (I haven't decided), but man do I not like this post. I would have asked you what your bad feelings were about, too.

McStab, I'd like to hear your reasons for your Clobber townread in 22

Again I like Jal.

I actually agree with Om's vote (I don't often agree with Om, I may be painfully wrong here)

And Pwnz makes a legitimate case against the Mala bandwagon, and votes TheFool. I like this post.

I could not have a bigger townread on Jal without the mod writing her name in green letters.

Nevermind. 36 just makes Jal look paranoid. Especially "I have no idea what you were planning to do with that post, but I don't like it". That said the bit about her being the first vote on Mala is noted.

Enter Om. 43 states that Mala is obvtown. Explain. It also says that Cobbler is town. Explain.

Enter Snowy. 48 GSnowy says she likes massclaiming. I'm probably repeating others (hopefully, I haven't read that far) when I say that we would only be confirming a few civilians and giving mafia a list of important people to kill, while we hope we can find them amongst all the VT claims. Dumb idea.

(And OM took care of it in the very next post. Oh well, read it again.)

MSnowy backs up GSnowy in the massclaim debate. That's two posts without content. One more and I'll start keeping track.

First part of 54 is great from pwnz. Second as well. The third was more null, but Nacho's vote didn't carry much weight. Pwnz is highest on my townreads.

55/56 That's three. Contribute please.

mala, snowy, and cobbler are all town.

Quoted because I only agree with one read so far. Not to say that Snowy/Cobbler are particularly scummy, but what have you seen out of them that suggest they're NOT?

GSnowy, What am I missing about Cobbler? I've seen nothing except a terrible vote on a worse gutread.

Om sees nothing bad about pwnz first post? It's pretty bad.

Nacho, 83 is interesting me. I've never played a scum game with you, so I can't say for certain, but this is an odd post. Why tell us you're waiting to see who hops on a (in your opinion) "bad wagon"? And why aren't you explaining the pwnz vote? I'm not seeing it myself.

87 is Cobbler's first really townie post in my head. This doesn't change my questions of people who gave him townreads earlier. Also calls me out. that's nice

Johnny, it's a bit sketchy that you appear as soon as Cobbler mentions your name. Nonetheless, welcome.

Coincidence. Someone else even did it like a page ago and I was nowhere to be seen. Thanks for the welcome though

GSnowy 93 is the only town post I've seen from you.

McStab's entry post is good. I don't wanna call it townie yet since everything he's saying makes perfect sense for anyone to say, though.

tl;dr:

Massclaiming is dumb
I didn't like the Mala wagon
I don't see where this Pwnz wagon is coming from
TheFool wagon is kinda dumb, too.

This would normally be where I vote, but I don't really have a good vote to place right now. So I won't.

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Enter Om. 43 states that Mala is obvtown. Explain. It also says that Cobbler is town. Explain.

I already explained my Mala read. What do you think of that? My Cobbler read though borders on gut + a different reason I can't remember.

The defense for the Mala vote is fine for now. Unless you're lying about her meta (but I'm too lazy to check).

Om sees nothing bad about pwnz first post? It's pretty bad.

Why?

"This is a random vote" sounds too cautious + there were two serious votes literally right before he posted that he could have reacted to.

I didn't like the Mala wagon
I don't see where this Pwnz wagon is coming from
TheFool wagon is kinda dumb, too.

So, you're fine with calling all the current wagons dumb, but you aren't even going to place a vote down?
If all the current wagons are dumb, where do you think they should be instead?

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I sort of have an idea who I'd like to vote right now, but I'd like to see reactions to my post to solidify my reads.

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Arugula

Other people should do the same. He's skating by without even reading and I'd like to see if he has anything helpful to say.

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Johnny, there's a reason why I would say I was watching a bad wagon but it sort of defeats the purpose when I say it out loud. Ask me later you truly care about the answer.

Don't let me forget to ask you this later.

Snowy is town because both heads of the hydra are putting a lot of effort into developing their reads, and the push for a massclaim reads more like a town generated idea as opposed to a scum generated idea, as shown by the continual pushing of it. I would love for the other head to be outed, though.

Eh, the thought-out reads don't say town to me. I feel as though I would consult my mostrous2ndhydrahead before sharing reads as well. I see the point about continually bringing up the massclaim though. I'll most likely not be voting Snowy today.

Slightly related, how do you react to MSnowy calling you the SK?

The Cobbler read is a bit less powerful, but I'm finding him town because of his vote on Mala. Notice how he originally calls her out for an uneasy feeling, then goes back to place the vote. I can't really see scum finding that advantageous to look town. He's also calling people out for shallow reasoning, which shows that he's looking for intent and not reasoning to put his vote on someone. So, town.

Less powerful indeed, though once again I do see your point.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Fair enough.

Last question, what changed your mind about Pwnz?

[JohnnyFarrar]

The four person masslclaim is a good indicator that pwnz is town, but could go very, very awry. What if four people claimed vig before the actual vig did?

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^ That is about the coolest thing I've seen a mod do. (And I've played Nacho's games )

I'm out for the day boys and girls. I'll be able to manage short answers from the phone if I say anything at all, but don't expect much.

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Also yellow, I'm actually voting Arugula if I remember right.

I awkwardly noticed that after I posted the praise...

[JohnnyFarrar]

Where should votes be?

[JohnnyFarrar]

On Mala

That wagon has all but disappeared. Do you know something I don't?

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Arugula, I'm ignoring most of that wall for now.

That's helpful.

It is. I would rather not engage a wall battle with you at this point in time because I have serious doubts that it will change my mind as to your alignment. Something that would help me a lot would be you explaining your Snowy and Om scumreads.

Why not talk to him? It would sure help others form opinions on not just him, but you as well.

Snowy sounds like he wants to call me scum but can't find a reason to. I don't really like that.

I would agree if there were any strong suspects right now, but there aren't. And I kind of appreciate the transparency.

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I'm getting weird Johnny-vibes and I have no idea where they're coming from.

I generally emanate vibes from the pelvic region.

I'm sorely suffering from disinterest in this game and that needs to change. I'll read again to see if I can shake things up.

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Silly Nacho, doesn't remember that I was the first vote on Aru.

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Hm? Johnny, do you believe in the Arugula wagon?

His current lurkiness and lack of any post that didn't revolve around "Mala is scum" kind of speak for themselves, don't they?

Oh yeah, I forgot I was supposed to scumhunt.
Johnny, what is your read on Jal, TheFool and Snowy?

Jal is a great big question mark right now.

TheFool hasn't done anything scummy, but he's also not talking. That makes my voting finger itchy.

Snowy isn't getting my vote any time soon. I can't find scum motivation in their posts.

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Johnny

You're all over the place.

Ok?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm tired. Maybe I'll understand that vote in the morning.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Yup. Still not gettin' it. Oh well.

Aru, now is not the time for smartassery, defend yourself or someone will hammer.

(Nacho, u srs bout the hammer?)

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Hm? Johnny, do you believe in the Arugula wagon?

His current lurkiness and lack of any post that didn't revolve around "Mala is scum" kind of speak for themselves, don't they?

THIS reads as scum trying to sidestep a question so he can keep his vote on Aru without having to be committed.

I'm just not committed to this game

I'll go read up and maybe get some better reads.

Also worth pointing out that post 8 says a massclaim would 'ruin the fun of hunting'. The only people that have to hunt less post-massclaim are the scum.

@TheFool, did you miss the part where I also said that massclaims were no fun? How you feel about that?

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@BK yeah, I've been off lately. But school is starting now, so less week long friend visits and crippling work schedules. First day is tomorrow, so I'll have plenty of freetime after homework n' junk. I'll re-read the entire thread and make another stupid catchup post.

[JohnnyFarrar]

@Yellow, requesting replacement.

I wanted to stick around because you're a cool mod and it's always fun playing with Nacho and Om, but I just can't get into right now...

[JohnnyFarrar]

Stopped reading when the game died. But good job for surviving as long as you did, Om and my replacement(s)