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@ Kimor, you really should quit playing mafia if you are town. You suck at this game. You keep throwing your votes around anywhere and everywhere expect at the player to be lynched today. You are worse than PM in that regard and you are liability since you keep posting and stalling out the day phase rather than helping it move towards a goal.
Anyways, I'll wait for Yabba and NU to post.-
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I actually agree. Kimor has been acting wierd all game. At the back of my mind, I wonder about the possibility. What if? Kimor is the last scum and Whiskers and RBD are both town? I mean the only thing he did was say that he would vengekill Klick if it was him lynched Day1. I don't think he expected Johnny to listen to him. Just a thought. It is nowhere as strong as my whiskers scumread but it would make sense for Kimor to vote people who aren't going to get lynched to distance himself from all mislynch wagons and win at LYLO. He also didn't vote Zab so there is that too.-
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No, moron, it is not "OMGUS tunneling."
Whiskers is scum because of his defense of RBD, his anti-town and pointless posts throughout the game, he also does not get towncred because he DID buy the fact that time of kill clears Klick. The intensity of his defense makes it more likely he is scum.
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In post 891, Name User wrote:VOTE: RapidCanyon
You have consistently been anti-town, and I don't think I can tolerate it anymore.
I will not vote Whiskers unless something very significant happens.
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In post 901, yabbaguy wrote:canyon, you should take a breather.
I probably will and just wait for PM to hammer.
@ALL: Who is your biggest Town read?
You.
Pedit: NU, you can "develop you game" tomorrow. Your vote is not helping. You are voting players who won't be lynched today over someone who is very obviously scummy.-
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Look, this is to both Kimor and NU. Being stubborn as hell in a mafia game gets you nowhere. For instance consider last day, I had my vote on Whiskers but turned around and voted Zab and it worked out great. You can't always lynch your number one target each day and you have to understand that compromising is how the game is played.
Being a stubborn idiot and saying "no! I won't vote" isn't going to win games. Just stop worrying about it and just hammer. Why won't you? There is no reason not to. We have i don't know what 5-6 mislynches? Just go ahead and do it.-
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NU, it is because Whiskers is this big, huge SCUMREAD to lynch and I can focus anywhere else if he ends up town. It seems like the game is about to end but you keep stalling. I am not being stubborn, I wanted Whiskers lynched for the past 3 days but compromised. We all have to do it. I haven't stubbornly stuck on him when Zab was at L-1.-
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"Because Rapid was tunneling him"
Once again, moron, do you have the ability to read? I pointed out the reasons for voting him to you about a hundred times. It doesn't get through your head. You simply ignore it for no reason whatsoever and continue on your "RC is tunneling/OMGUSing" line. Please read the day phase. Read.-
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In post 923, Kimor wrote:
I made some cuts, but overall, he seems rather obsessed with getting Klick's opinion. To me, it almost reads like asking your infomercial co-host whether $19.95 for a ginzo knife is an unbelievable bargain or not.
And why would he do that when there is daytalk? Don't forget: scum can talk to each other during the day.-
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In post 950, Klick wrote:Damn. If Johnny wouldn't have shot me, we would have had it made. Kudos to him.
I enjoyed the game.
This too ^
You were easily the best scum player Klick. You were the only one I didn't suspect at all.-
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*Makes mental note to never trust Klick again*
I don't really like using V/LA to your advantage as scum though.
Having Yabba on our side swung it for us. You guys screwed up the timing on the Eido kill. If you had let her lynch Yabba and THEN killed her, there would have been no one to lead to town to victory in the end. (I probably would have listened to Eido if she pushed the Yabba lynch - I am so glad we didn't kill him Day 1).-
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In post 955, Name User wrote:(Wait, how did Mod screw up?)
We would not have won this early had it not been for Johnny.
True.
RC, will you admit you screwed up?
Screwed up, where?
1) FOSsing RBD on Day1 and trying to get her lynched? No. I nailed her as scum in the first few posts she made.
2) Derailing the Yabba wagon and adamantly stating that I won't vote Yabba if it is the last thing I do? No. Town would have lost if he was lynched.
3) Making a case for lynching Sweezy? No. Again, I was right.
4) Arguing with Kimor and NameUser? Yes, I screwed up, I admit it.
5) Saying that Whiskers is scum for defending RBD? Well, that is his screw up, not mine. Although, my perspective was wrong, I never expected town to so voraciously defend scum. That was just bullshit...
6) Believing Klick? Yes. He was very good as scum and the only one who escaped my FOS.
7) Refusing to lynch 2b1s? No.
@ Kimor, LOL, what? I had RBD as my second biggest suspect after Whiskers and I tried to lynch her Day 1. Save your "I told you so" for Whiskers.-
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@ Whiskers, you truly are deluding yourself. The fact that RBD said "you are scum" meant she was trying to convince me instead of explaining that her actions were reasonable. That is a whole different motivation. Also, that was a small part of my case.
See my full case here 269, 272, 279. It was a detailed analysis of her behavior. It was not JUST because she said "you are scum." That part was not even a major part of my case but rather a MINOR part. You are just harping on about a MINOR part of my case and saying it is bad when it isn't and you are ignoring the major part.
"I dreamed it" is a stupid reason and a guess. A 3-post long case based on behavioral analysis isn't.
I refused to vote for Yabba and diverted attention away from him.
401, I made a case against Sweezy, the other scum.
Besides, It's not "Town defending scum". I've already explained this to you. Town defending town looks exactly the same as town defending scum.
I explained this to you. You have to be a pretty bad player to defend scum so hard. During the game, I had a MUCH higher opinion of your skills than reality. That threw me off an RBD scumread like nothing else could. You hate me and you like arguing with me. It doesn't mean I was wrong. It means, you need to play more pro-town. If you weren't convinced by a case for lynching scum, you just played badly. Suck it up and admit it as opposed to saying the case was bad. It is your fault for believing RBD to be town.
So, basically, you called everybody scum and either they were scum and you're so great at mafia, or they deserved it and they are so bad at mafia.
I did not understand 2bird's mentality at all. There lay scum (RBD) trying to lynch him. I call bullshit on it and say I prefer lynching RBD hoping to get his vote. For some really odd reason, he doesn't vote which made me suspicious although he eventually came around.-
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Here is where I said it, I believe:
In post 328, rapidcanyon wrote:I am not letting Yabba get lynched today and will do absolutely everything in my power to stop that lynch from happenning.-
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I did stop town lynching Yabba which turned out to be a great move since he led us on a game-winning lynch.
I don't assume that we know each other's alignments. I am saying TRY and figure it out rather than shoot down a good case on a scum player because you have a personal beef with the player making it. That is not pro-town. You were wrong. No matter how you try to look at it, it doesn't change. RBD's alignment is there for all to see. I figured out that she was scum, you didn't. Deal with it.-
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Of course you don't. Your thinking went like this.
"1) Rapidcanyon made a case against Rainbowdash"
2) I hate Rapidcanyon.
3) I love my pony friend.
4) I must refute the case.
Here is how your thinking should have gone.
1) I see a case against RBD.
2) Is it legit? Has her behaviors been matching what was going on.
3) Yes, she does in fact seem like scum.
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You can never admit you were wrong, can you?
Okay, let me show you.
Having bad reasons for suspecting me is scummy. I understand if there were good reasons but bad reasoning is scummy.
The Yabba wagon was not a "quicklynch" wagon. RBD claimed it was one doesn't make it one. I said it was a slow lynch wagon. See how easy that was? Just because RBD said it was a quicklynch wagon doesn't make it one. It takes a lot more time and effort to get those later votes which slow down the wagon. Initial votes will always be quick.
"Rainbow Dash only attacked yabbaguy because Eidolon wanted to attack yabbaguy."
This is true. She sensed that a Yabba lynch might go through (and it would if it wasn't for me) since town leader Eidolon had latent suspicion on Yabba. She throws out a Yabba vote and a bullshit case to impress Eidolon.-
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You said that my cases make logical sense but it didn't feel right to you. Perhaps the reason it didn't "feel right" was because you approached it from a biased standpoint of trying how to refute it instead of evaluating its validity.
RBD's case on Yabba was bullshit. I wondered why someone would present such a bullshit case. I wondered why town would do it. I got no answer. I wondered why scum would do it: the scum motivation was perfect. Eido was trying to get Yabba lynched but resigned herself to a different target. Scum would think "hey, the town leader wanted this lynch, wouldn't I be praised for pushing it?" and then go ahead and do it.
So, yeah, the whole thing about Yabba saying that we should play it slow was a bunch of BS which triggered my scumdar and made me think about scum motivations.
@ Yabba, sure I'll keep that in mind next time. In all my current games, I am playing with a significantly different meta. I know I am usually right (despite what Whiskers says) so the major skill I need to improve on is how to persuade people to follow me. You did it wonderfully well in the last DP with RBD getting us all to vote her IN A PAGE. Like quickfire, we voted her, so yeah, I don't even know why people even considered lynching you.
@ Kimor, I DID think about why scum would want to do it. To appease Eidolon. I probably didn't do as good a job of explaining it to the others.-
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In post 1001, Kimor wrote:In post 997, yabbaguy wrote:
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I think it was also all the wasted votes that drove me up the wall a bit, esp. from Kimor, I'm not sure what happened after Klick got lynched - I could've sworn his scum radar got smashed with a hammer after its pristine perfection on Day 1. Eventually his pinballing vote settled on the right one, we won quickly, and we're happy.
You're absolutely right about this. Unfortunately, I got a bit emotional and frustrated at not having my questions answered. I will remember to post better cases in the future before demanding them from others.
This part though - I was trying to help you out but you were adamant that Whiskers was pro-town. He turned out to be the most anti-town player in the game defending scum so badly.-
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Kimor, the point I am trying to make is, sure you may have thought Whiskers was town and was right. I was wrong and thought he was scum but based on how he defended RBD, not just the fact that he DID defend her, the way he posted, the intensity, the outright dismissal of a case trying to lynch scum, his almost personal quarrel with me came off as anti-town. He definitely did scum's work for them for most of the first day. You hadn't replaced in, yet, so your opinion might be different but he was actively being a detriment to lynching RBD. It wasn't a "I am not convinced" like JohnnyFarrar did but rather point-by-point responses that RBD herself should be responding to. That's what made me believe that with one scum left, Whiskers was far more likely scum than RBD. I made it clear that if Whiskers flipped town, I'd go for RBD next, so while my plan may not have resulted in a perfect win, it would still have resulted in a very quick win.-
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Yes, Kimor. A townie CAN believe that scum is town. Town is wrong all the time. You are missing what I am trying to say. Intensity. It is not a "scumtell." Towncandefend scum. Is it likely? Well... that depends on the skill of said townie, don't you agree? Whiskers was skilled enough that I found it very unlikely and improbable. I overestimated his skill. And no, his belief wasn't rational because he was wrong. A null-read on RBD could be rational based on her Yabba push. But I explained why only scum have motivation to do that. After that, it wasn't rational to believe town would do it. Why would town push a Yabba lynch? They won't.-
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I was reading through the game. I thought we put the issue to rest but no doubt whiskers will wake up tomorrow morning and post long responses to everything that happened since then, so I'll continue. This didn't end. Whiskers just logged off.
Anyways, Whiskers play in D1 was absolutely horrible. Scum popped up and said "hey, flashwagon Yabba" and he votes - like a fool. Yet, I present an awesome case and he is determined to refute it.
EVEN if he disagreed with my case, there was no reason to vote Yabba over RBD. Posts like this should go into the hall of shame.
You're kidding. You're kidding, right?
NO. NO, FUCKING STOP IT RIGHT NOW. FUCKING NO. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED. STOP PLAYING THE GAME. GET UP AND WALK AWAY FROM YOUR COMPUTER. COME BACK TOMORROW. NO.
YOU are. YOU do. In YOU, it looks like you're protecting a scumbuddy. In Eido, it looks like an attack.
Rainbow Dash is allowed to have scumreads. She's allowed to have reasons for it.
No. Stop it. You biggest scum read in this game, and in EVERY game you've ever played on MS, is the player who suspects you. NO.
REGARDLESS of whether he bought my case, it was better than a flashwagon. Whiskers was absolute dead weight this game and if it wasn't for him, town would probably have won in half as many posts.-
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Whiskers, here is how it worked: I made a case explaining why RBD was scum and pointed out why only scum would do the actions she did and what scum motivation there is for performing those actions. Sure, maybe town would have voted Yabba at that crucial time but there was such little motivation for doing so from a town perspective that it was overwhelmingly more likely for scum to do it. I elaborated it along with why her behavior and responses and backing down all pointed to a scum mentality. You disagreed and said that they didn't. You have now been proven wrong. I find it funny you continue to argue the point. My reasoning was the right reasoning and RBD's reasoning was the wrong one. As town, it is up to you to figure out which is right and which is wrong. You failed spectacularly. The town won despite you.-
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In post 1027, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 1025, rapidcanyon wrote:The town won despite you.
I smell the irony. It's that thick.
No, I am serious. He was constantly defending a scum player (RBD) going so far as to throw me off her tail because I felt only scum would do that. I hadn't accounted for stupid town which I need to do from next time. I overestimated his skill because he did well in another game I played with him.-
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Of course, I expected you to say something like this instead of "you got me." You were obvious scum from your second post on. I have no idea why people think you are good at this game. Your later buddying to me and your shitty cases were so bad I started scratching the back of my head thinking "why does Whiskers consider Rainbowdash a good player?" Maybe it is because you both like making pony references. If it wasn't for your pony friend defending you, the game would have been even more easier for town (easier than a perfect win that is). I couldn't believe how easy it was to read you. The fact that you kept boasting about winning your previous scum game was the icing on the cake - you most certainly were in no position to win this one. You kept deluding yourself into believing that people care what you think. You start talking about "moving wagons" and "I am not somepony to be messed with." Lololol. You can't be serious. Of course, I wouldn't feel the need to tell you how much you sucked if you had just said "good game" and ended it but the fact that you were so butthurt about being caught and choose to call my case "crap" shows how pissed off you are.
Even if johnny hadn't killed Klick, perhaps scum would have won because of Klick but you wouldn't have made it past D3-D4. Klick would have won it for you - perhaps that is.-
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Lol, you got your ass kicked this game. I didn't have support because your pony friend was set on defending you. I don't think you realize howluckyyou were that Whiskers was playing pro-mafia and making your case for you. It was like you had an extra member and we won despite that. If Johnny shot Yabba, sure he wouldn't have led us on a game winning lynch but I'd have pushed a lynch on you right after lynching Whiskers. Yabba gave us aperfectwin and he did it brilliantly - in a page like quickfire. But there was no way you could have won the game even if Johnny killed Yabba. All that would have happenned is that we wouldn't have a perfect win but rather a regular win. D2, there was no way I was going to let 2b1s get lynched. I would have turned the wagon on you or more likely my scumread from last day, Sweezy. After Sweezy, probably mislynch Whiskers, then you. Sure, I would have been hard-pressed to figure out Klick but I feel certain that at some point the other townies would have pushed a Klick lynch and I would probably have compromise-voted him even though I didn't want to. As to your buddying, you made such shitty cases for me being town, the only reason I didn't vote you quicker was because Whiskers was making even shittier cases.
In post 822, rapidcanyon wrote:This is difficult, both your arguments are pretty shitty and I am inclined to think you are both scum, but that can't be right, there is only one scum left...-
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I didn't get "semi-lucky." Eidolon wanted a Yabba wagon. You popped up and made a BS case against Yabba. That is when I started wondering if you were scum. As town, you would have very LITTLE motivation for do that. I was on the lookout for scum behaviors and you were basically "scum on a plate."
Say what you want about my skill, but your skill as scum is really, really poor. I've never caught scum based on 2 posts they made unless they were really, really noob scum. Usually, I take the entire game to get scumreads right. My meta is generally being more dangerous and correct at LYLO or close to it.
Pedit: I have no intention of playing with sore losers. You lost. You now have a case of sour grapes.-
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Also, statements like "21bs is the lynch for today" and "I am debating moving the Yabba wagon to RC" were hilarious to the max. People switch their votes. They don't "move wagons" and you saying it made me laugh out loud in front of my computer.
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