Open 444: Nightless Vengeful Mayhem! OVER, MVPs!

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:38 pm

Just waiting on you, Yabba. I know you are online. Once you vote, we get PM or NU to hammer and we win.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:44 pm

@ Kimor, you really should quit playing mafia if you are town. You suck at this game. You keep throwing your votes around anywhere and everywhere expect at the player to be lynched today. You are worse than PM in that regard and you are liability since you keep posting and stalling out the day phase rather than helping it move towards a goal.

Anyways, I'll wait for Yabba and NU to post.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:48 pm

I hope I am right but sure, let's see.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:51 pm

Okay, Kimor, that is L-1.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:53 pm

I asked you because you said you would consider it at L-1. Turns out it is a mistake. So, now we'll just have to wait for NU or PM to hammer.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:56 pm

Okay, don't. It won't work anyways. It will right over your head just like all the other reasons given.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:58 pm

Okay, fine. I don't know why I am doing it, but I'll give it one last try.

@ Yabba, lol.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #884 (isolation #207) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:00 pm

I am better at the game than you - who keeps holding it up for no reason.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #887 (isolation #208) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:05 pm

I actually agree. Kimor has been acting wierd all game. At the back of my mind, I wonder about the possibility. What if? Kimor is the last scum and Whiskers and RBD are both town? I mean the only thing he did was say that he would vengekill Klick if it was him lynched Day1. I don't think he expected Johnny to listen to him. Just a thought. It is nowhere as strong as my whiskers scumread but it would make sense for Kimor to vote people who aren't going to get lynched to distance himself from all mislynch wagons and win at LYLO. He also didn't vote Zab so there is that too.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #892 (isolation #209) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:10 pm

No, moron, it is not "OMGUS tunneling."

Whiskers is scum because of his defense of RBD, his anti-town and pointless posts throughout the game, he also does not get towncred because he DID buy the fact that time of kill clears Klick. The intensity of his defense makes it more likely he is scum.

Read. Stupid idiot.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #893 (isolation #210) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:11 pm

In post 891, Name User wrote:VOTE: RapidCanyon

You have consistently been anti-town, and I don't think I can tolerate it anymore.
I will not vote Whiskers unless something very significant happens.

Hammer whiskers.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #894 (isolation #211) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:12 pm

Based on 889, I wouldn't be opposed to lynching Kimor either. He has shown an incapability to read.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #897 (isolation #212) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:14 pm

You intensely defending Whiskers makes YOU more likely to be scum, not him. Are you even reading?

Pedit: Just hammer it and be done with it. What is your problem?

rapidcanyon · Post Post #898 (isolation #213) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:15 pm

NU, I want you to hammer whiskers and stop being an idiot.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #900 (isolation #214) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:15 pm

Not talking to you.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #904 (isolation #215) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:18 pm

In post 901, yabbaguy wrote:canyon, you should take a breather.

I probably will and just wait for PM to hammer.

@ALL: Who is your biggest Town read?

You.

Pedit: NU, you can "develop you game" tomorrow. Your vote is not helping. You are voting players who won't be lynched today over someone who is very obviously scummy.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #908 (isolation #216) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:21 pm

I think I already town/scum/null list but if you want ranks, you can have that too: Most scummy to least.

Whiskers
RBD
Kimor
NameUser
PM
2birds
Yabba

Pedit: how many times do you want me to explain it to you? You need to compromise.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #909 (isolation #217) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:22 pm

And I am absolutely certain scum are in the top three.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #910 (isolation #218) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:23 pm

NameUser, hammer whiskers and I'll be willing to listen to your reads and see where to go from there. We cannot lynch more than one person at a time. That is what I am saying.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #913 (isolation #219) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:27 pm

Look, this is to both Kimor and NU. Being stubborn as hell in a mafia game gets you nowhere. For instance consider last day, I had my vote on Whiskers but turned around and voted Zab and it worked out great. You can't always lynch your number one target each day and you have to understand that compromising is how the game is played.

Being a stubborn idiot and saying "no! I won't vote" isn't going to win games. Just stop worrying about it and just hammer. Why won't you? There is no reason not to. We have i don't know what 5-6 mislynches? Just go ahead and do it.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #915 (isolation #220) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:30 pm

I feel like replacing out. I am here to play mafia, not teach noobs like Kimor and NU how to play mafia and explaining basic concepts to them. I never volunteered to IC a game.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #918 (isolation #221) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:34 pm

NU, it is because Whiskers is this big, huge SCUMREAD to lynch and I can focus anywhere else if he ends up town. It seems like the game is about to end but you keep stalling. I am not being stubborn, I wanted Whiskers lynched for the past 3 days but compromised. We all have to do it. I haven't stubbornly stuck on him when Zab was at L-1.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #919 (isolation #222) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:36 pm

@ NU, that's okay. Point I was trying to make is, if you listen to me, I'll listen to you. I have compromised TWICE so far this game and I am telling you I will do it again next day if we haven't won. Do you see where I am coming from?

rapidcanyon · Post Post #921 (isolation #223) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:41 pm

"Because Rapid was tunneling him"

Once again, moron, do you have the ability to read? I pointed out the reasons for voting him to you about a hundred times. It doesn't get through your head. You simply ignore it for no reason whatsoever and continue on your "RC is tunneling/OMGUSing" line. Please read the day phase. Read.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #922 (isolation #224) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:43 pm

2birds1stone is not scum and it is just a waste of time to focus on him. His interactions with Zab prove it.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #925 (isolation #225) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:51 pm

In post 923, Kimor wrote:

I made some cuts, but overall, he seems rather obsessed with getting Klick's opinion. To me, it almost reads like asking your infomercial co-host whether $19.95 for a ginzo knife is an unbelievable bargain or not.

And why would he do that when there is daytalk? Don't forget: scum can talk to each other during the day.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #927 (isolation #226) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:53 pm

Oh, come on, Klick is experienced. He would at least suggest NU to distance himself. It can't be THAT obvious.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #929 (isolation #227) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:55 pm

I guess, but NU isn't that stupid that he would ask his buddy what to do. I think like most of us, he was sold that Klick was town.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #932 (isolation #228) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:02 pm

It is for the best. I am used to a much faster pace and the way that some players are completely inactive like PM dragging this game along forever and ever isn't something I am looking forward to or have the patience for or am interested in.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #936 (isolation #229) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:07 pm

W/e Yabba, you got me. Let's see how this goes.

Unvote

Vote: Rainbowdash

rapidcanyon · Post Post #937 (isolation #230) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:08 pm

It would be pretty cool if we win right away.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #946 (isolation #231) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:37 pm

@ Whiskers, if you think I am a liability at LYLO, you are wrong. I have never lost a game at LYLO or MYLO on debate.org and I only reached LYLO once on mafiascum, but I won that too.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #947 (isolation #232) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:38 pm

Also, whatever happenned to me being scum. That is a big 180 you did there.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #949 (isolation #233) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:49 pm

YES! Great job everyone especially Yabba.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #951 (isolation #234) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:54 pm

In post 950, Klick wrote:Damn. If Johnny wouldn't have shot me, we would have had it made. Kudos to him.

I enjoyed the game.

This too ^

You were easily the best scum player Klick. You were the only one I didn't suspect at all.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #954 (isolation #235) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:05 pm

*Makes mental note to never trust Klick again*

I don't really like using V/LA to your advantage as scum though.

Having Yabba on our side swung it for us. You guys screwed up the timing on the Eido kill. If you had let her lynch Yabba and THEN killed her, there would have been no one to lead to town to victory in the end. (I probably would have listened to Eido if she pushed the Yabba lynch - I am so glad we didn't kill him Day 1).

rapidcanyon · Post Post #965 (isolation #236) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:14 pm

In post 955, Name User wrote:(Wait, how did Mod screw up?)

We would not have won this early had it not been for Johnny.

True.

RC, will you admit you screwed up?

Screwed up, where?

1) FOSsing RBD on Day1 and trying to get her lynched? No. I nailed her as scum in the first few posts she made.

2) Derailing the Yabba wagon and adamantly stating that I won't vote Yabba if it is the last thing I do? No. Town would have lost if he was lynched.

3) Making a case for lynching Sweezy? No. Again, I was right.

4) Arguing with Kimor and NameUser? Yes, I screwed up, I admit it.

5) Saying that Whiskers is scum for defending RBD? Well, that is his screw up, not mine. Although, my perspective was wrong, I never expected town to so voraciously defend scum. That was just bullshit...

6) Believing Klick? Yes. He was very good as scum and the only one who escaped my FOS.

7) Refusing to lynch 2b1s? No.

@ Kimor, LOL, what? I had RBD as my second biggest suspect after Whiskers and I tried to lynch her Day 1. Save your "I told you so" for Whiskers.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #968 (isolation #237) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:17 pm

Oh, THAT? Yeah, well, I never expected Klick to use V/LA to his advantage.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #978 (isolation #238) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:44 pm

Also, if anyone noticed, RBD only made 38 posts - the lowest in the game, lower than the mod and only above the lurkers/replacees. That should have been a sign.

Can't wait to tell Eido she was wrong about RBD showing "leadership."

rapidcanyon · Post Post #980 (isolation #239) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:48 pm

Post-count wise? Yeah.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #982 (isolation #240) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:05 pm

@ Whiskers, you truly are deluding yourself. The fact that RBD said "you are scum" meant she was trying to convince me instead of explaining that her actions were reasonable. That is a whole different motivation. Also, that was a small part of my case.

See my full case here 269, 272, 279. It was a detailed analysis of her behavior. It was not JUST because she said "you are scum." That part was not even a major part of my case but rather a MINOR part. You are just harping on about a MINOR part of my case and saying it is bad when it isn't and you are ignoring the major part.

"I dreamed it" is a stupid reason and a guess. A 3-post long case based on behavioral analysis isn't.

I refused to vote for Yabba and diverted attention away from him.

401, I made a case against Sweezy, the other scum.

Besides, It's not "Town defending scum". I've already explained this to you. Town defending town looks exactly the same as town defending scum.

I explained this to you. You have to be a pretty bad player to defend scum so hard. During the game, I had a MUCH higher opinion of your skills than reality. That threw me off an RBD scumread like nothing else could. You hate me and you like arguing with me. It doesn't mean I was wrong. It means, you need to play more pro-town. If you weren't convinced by a case for lynching scum, you just played badly. Suck it up and admit it as opposed to saying the case was bad. It is your fault for believing RBD to be town.

So, basically, you called everybody scum and either they were scum and you're so great at mafia, or they deserved it and they are so bad at mafia.

I did not understand 2bird's mentality at all. There lay scum (RBD) trying to lynch him. I call bullshit on it and say I prefer lynching RBD hoping to get his vote. For some really odd reason, he doesn't vote which made me suspicious although he eventually came around.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #983 (isolation #241) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:08 pm

Here is where I said it, I believe:

In post 328, rapidcanyon wrote:I am not letting Yabba get lynched today and will do absolutely everything in my power to stop that lynch from happenning.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #986 (isolation #242) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:14 pm

I did stop town lynching Yabba which turned out to be a great move since he led us on a game-winning lynch.

I don't assume that we know each other's alignments. I am saying TRY and figure it out rather than shoot down a good case on a scum player because you have a personal beef with the player making it. That is not pro-town. You were wrong. No matter how you try to look at it, it doesn't change. RBD's alignment is there for all to see. I figured out that she was scum, you didn't. Deal with it.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #988 (isolation #243) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:22 pm

Of course you don't. Your thinking went like this.

"

1) Rapidcanyon made a case against Rainbowdash
2) I hate Rapidcanyon.
3) I love my pony friend.
4) I must refute the case.

"

Here is how your thinking should have gone.

1) I see a case against RBD.
2) Is it legit? Has her behaviors been matching what was going on.
3) Yes, she does in fact seem like scum.
4) Vote: Rainbowdash.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #995 (isolation #244) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:53 pm

You can never admit you were wrong, can you?

Okay, let me show you.

Having bad reasons for suspecting me is scummy. I understand if there were good reasons but bad reasoning is scummy.

The Yabba wagon was not a "quicklynch" wagon. RBD claimed it was one doesn't make it one. I said it was a slow lynch wagon. See how easy that was? Just because RBD said it was a quicklynch wagon doesn't make it one. It takes a lot more time and effort to get those later votes which slow down the wagon. Initial votes will always be quick.

"Rainbow Dash only attacked yabbaguy because Eidolon wanted to attack yabbaguy."

This is true. She sensed that a Yabba lynch might go through (and it would if it wasn't for me) since town leader Eidolon had latent suspicion on Yabba. She throws out a Yabba vote and a bullshit case to impress Eidolon.

rapidcanyon · Post Post #996 (isolation #245) » Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:55 pm

I mean seriously, I understood why RBD FOSsed Yabba at that crucial time and why she suggested a quicklynch and found the scum motivation behind doing so. That was how I knew she was scum. Whiskers, you can whine about it all you want but results are there for all to see.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:41 pm

You said that my cases make logical sense but it didn't feel right to you. Perhaps the reason it didn't "feel right" was because you approached it from a biased standpoint of trying how to refute it instead of evaluating its validity.

RBD's case on Yabba was bullshit. I wondered why someone would present such a bullshit case. I wondered why town would do it. I got no answer. I wondered why scum would do it: the scum motivation was perfect. Eido was trying to get Yabba lynched but resigned herself to a different target. Scum would think "hey, the town leader wanted this lynch, wouldn't I be praised for pushing it?" and then go ahead and do it.

So, yeah, the whole thing about Yabba saying that we should play it slow was a bunch of BS which triggered my scumdar and made me think about scum motivations.

@ Yabba, sure I'll keep that in mind next time. In all my current games, I am playing with a significantly different meta. I know I am usually right (despite what Whiskers says) so the major skill I need to improve on is how to persuade people to follow me. You did it wonderfully well in the last DP with RBD getting us all to vote her IN A PAGE. Like quickfire, we voted her, so yeah, I don't even know why people even considered lynching you.

@ Kimor, I DID think about why scum would want to do it. To appease Eidolon. I probably didn't do as good a job of explaining it to the others.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:44 pm

In post 1001, Kimor wrote:
In post 997, yabbaguy wrote:
...
I think it was also all the wasted votes that drove me up the wall a bit, esp. from Kimor, I'm not sure what happened after Klick got lynched - I could've sworn his scum radar got smashed with a hammer after its pristine perfection on Day 1. Eventually his pinballing vote settled on the right one, we won quickly, and we're happy.

You're absolutely right about this. Unfortunately, I got a bit emotional and frustrated at not having my questions answered. I will remember to post better cases in the future before demanding them from others.

This part though - I was trying to help you out but you were adamant that Whiskers was pro-town. He turned out to be the most anti-town player in the game defending scum so badly.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:52 pm

I guess you are right. Whiskers is a skilled player who just had an off-game this time.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:54 pm

Btw, I'd totally love to play more games with Yabbaguy.

@ Kimor, sure I get if you want to defend your read on Whiskers. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:01 pm

Kimor, the point I am trying to make is, sure you may have thought Whiskers was town and was right. I was wrong and thought he was scum but based on how he defended RBD, not just the fact that he DID defend her, the way he posted, the intensity, the outright dismissal of a case trying to lynch scum, his almost personal quarrel with me came off as anti-town. He definitely did scum's work for them for most of the first day. You hadn't replaced in, yet, so your opinion might be different but he was actively being a detriment to lynching RBD. It wasn't a "I am not convinced" like JohnnyFarrar did but rather point-by-point responses that RBD herself should be responding to. That's what made me believe that with one scum left, Whiskers was far more likely scum than RBD. I made it clear that if Whiskers flipped town, I'd go for RBD next, so while my plan may not have resulted in a perfect win, it would still have resulted in a very quick win.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:07 pm

Yes, Kimor. A townie CAN believe that scum is town. Town is wrong all the time. You are missing what I am trying to say. Intensity. It is not a "scumtell." Town

can

defend scum. Is it likely? Well... that depends on the skill of said townie, don't you agree? Whiskers was skilled enough that I found it very unlikely and improbable. I overestimated his skill. And no, his belief wasn't rational because he was wrong. A null-read on RBD could be rational based on her Yabba push. But I explained why only scum have motivation to do that. After that, it wasn't rational to believe town would do it. Why would town push a Yabba lynch? They won't.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:10 pm

I'll grant that I should have considered that he was wrong. It just seemed unlikely to me.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:42 pm

I was reading through the game. I thought we put the issue to rest but no doubt whiskers will wake up tomorrow morning and post long responses to everything that happened since then, so I'll continue. This didn't end. Whiskers just logged off.

Anyways, Whiskers play in D1 was absolutely horrible. Scum popped up and said "hey, flashwagon Yabba" and he votes - like a fool. Yet, I present an awesome case and he is determined to refute it.

EVEN if he disagreed with my case, there was no reason to vote Yabba over RBD. Posts like this should go into the hall of shame.

You're kidding. You're kidding, right?

NO. NO, FUCKING STOP IT RIGHT NOW. FUCKING NO. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED. STOP PLAYING THE GAME. GET UP AND WALK AWAY FROM YOUR COMPUTER. COME BACK TOMORROW. NO.

YOU are. YOU do. In YOU, it looks like you're protecting a scumbuddy. In Eido, it looks like an attack.

Rainbow Dash is allowed to have scumreads. She's allowed to have reasons for it.

No. Stop it. You biggest scum read in this game, and in EVERY game you've ever played on MS, is the player who suspects you. NO.

REGARDLESS of whether he bought my case, it was better than a flashwagon. Whiskers was absolute dead weight this game and if it wasn't for him, town would probably have won in half as many posts.

rapidcanyon · Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:44 pm

Point is Whiskers, you don't know when to say "You were right, I was wrong." You are determined to continue arguing even after you were proven wrong and RBD's flip is there to see in big red letters. You seem like a vain, deluded person who cannot admit their mistakes.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:51 am

Whiskers, here is how it worked: I made a case explaining why RBD was scum and pointed out why only scum would do the actions she did and what scum motivation there is for performing those actions. Sure, maybe town would have voted Yabba at that crucial time but there was such little motivation for doing so from a town perspective that it was overwhelmingly more likely for scum to do it. I elaborated it along with why her behavior and responses and backing down all pointed to a scum mentality. You disagreed and said that they didn't. You have now been proven wrong. I find it funny you continue to argue the point. My reasoning was the right reasoning and RBD's reasoning was the wrong one. As town, it is up to you to figure out which is right and which is wrong. You failed spectacularly. The town won despite you.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:00 pm

In post 1027, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 1025, rapidcanyon wrote:The town won despite you.

I smell the irony. It's that thick.

No, I am serious. He was constantly defending a scum player (RBD) going so far as to throw me off her tail because I felt only scum would do that. I hadn't accounted for stupid town which I need to do from next time. I overestimated his skill because he did well in another game I played with him.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:22 pm

Of course, I expected you to say something like this instead of "you got me." You were obvious scum from your second post on. I have no idea why people think you are good at this game. Your later buddying to me and your shitty cases were so bad I started scratching the back of my head thinking "why does Whiskers consider Rainbowdash a good player?" Maybe it is because you both like making pony references. If it wasn't for your pony friend defending you, the game would have been even more easier for town (easier than a perfect win that is). I couldn't believe how easy it was to read you. The fact that you kept boasting about winning your previous scum game was the icing on the cake - you most certainly were in no position to win this one. You kept deluding yourself into believing that people care what you think. You start talking about "moving wagons" and "I am not somepony to be messed with." Lololol. You can't be serious. Of course, I wouldn't feel the need to tell you how much you sucked if you had just said "good game" and ended it but the fact that you were so butthurt about being caught and choose to call my case "crap" shows how pissed off you are.

Even if johnny hadn't killed Klick, perhaps scum would have won because of Klick but you wouldn't have made it past D3-D4. Klick would have won it for you - perhaps that is.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:37 pm

Lol, you got your ass kicked this game. I didn't have support because your pony friend was set on defending you. I don't think you realize how

lucky

you were that Whiskers was playing pro-mafia and making your case for you. It was like you had an extra member and we won despite that. If Johnny shot Yabba, sure he wouldn't have led us on a game winning lynch but I'd have pushed a lynch on you right after lynching Whiskers. Yabba gave us a

perfect

win and he did it brilliantly - in a page like quickfire. But there was no way you could have won the game even if Johnny killed Yabba. All that would have happenned is that we wouldn't have a perfect win but rather a regular win. D2, there was no way I was going to let 2b1s get lynched. I would have turned the wagon on you or more likely my scumread from last day, Sweezy. After Sweezy, probably mislynch Whiskers, then you. Sure, I would have been hard-pressed to figure out Klick but I feel certain that at some point the other townies would have pushed a Klick lynch and I would probably have compromise-voted him even though I didn't want to. As to your buddying, you made such shitty cases for me being town, the only reason I didn't vote you quicker was because Whiskers was making even shittier cases.

In post 822, rapidcanyon wrote:This is difficult, both your arguments are pretty shitty and I am inclined to think you are both scum, but that can't be right, there is only one scum left...

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:41 pm

I didn't get "semi-lucky." Eidolon wanted a Yabba wagon. You popped up and made a BS case against Yabba. That is when I started wondering if you were scum. As town, you would have very LITTLE motivation for do that. I was on the lookout for scum behaviors and you were basically "scum on a plate."

Say what you want about my skill, but your skill as scum is really, really poor. I've never caught scum based on 2 posts they made unless they were really, really noob scum. Usually, I take the entire game to get scumreads right. My meta is generally being more dangerous and correct at LYLO or close to it.

Pedit: I have no intention of playing with sore losers. You lost. You now have a case of sour grapes.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:49 pm

Also, statements like "21bs is the lynch for today" and "I am debating moving the Yabba wagon to RC" were hilarious to the max. People switch their votes. They don't "move wagons" and you saying it made me laugh out loud in front of my computer.

And lol, you were flailing so badly towards the end, it was fun to watch.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:59 pm

In post 1038, Whiskers wrote:
In post 1034, rapidcanyon wrote:D2, there was no way I was going to let 2b1s get lynched.

You still don't get it. It isn't up to you. Your opinion holds no weight.

Delude yourself into thinking that. You played horribly and you can't seem to come to terms that I exposed RBD as mafia day 1 and you failed to snatch the opportunity and made a HUGE mess out of things.

I took you to be a good player who can admit when they are wrong. Everybody is wrong once in a while. It is excusable. However, the fact that you cannot ADMIT it and continue to argue your WRONG arguments into the ground even after RBD flipped scum and continue to try and justify your behavior as rational is hilarious. It wasn't rational because you were wrong. [/quote]

Look, go on and have the last word. I'm done. I won't be playing with you until you grow up-- and hopefully play a newbie game or two

You can go join the newbie games as a newbie and learn a thing or two.

Pedit: Klick, I won't deny the possibility that you could have convinced me to lay off of RBD. Some people are very good at convincing - you, Eido, Yabba, so I guess maybe. But I have a feeling the rest of the town (Kimor and others) would have caught on to you and lynched you. After that, RBD was open season.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:05 pm

And please, PLEASE, for the sake of the future of mafiascum, join as a noob and not as an IC.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:20 pm

Just for end-of-the-game laughs.

(Top three hilarious quotes)

(3)

In post 228, Rainbowdash wrote:
Vote Yabba

Remember what I said about snap wagons? Its time for one. Make things start moving, get scum uncomfortable. Even if im wrong this is going to throw a bit of a wrench in what scum has probably been talking about.

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In post 474, Rainbowdash wrote:
Im almost for sure eating a vig tomorrow if we dont hit them today. If I do you dont touch RC or Klick and you should win.

Quickwagon, speed wagon, call it whatever you want it to be called. I may be a one trick pony but its a REALLY awesome trick. 2b1s wagon should happen more or less now.

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In post 256, Rainbowdash wrote:
@Eido - I am known for some of my very uncommon views about styles and role useage, but I am a very good player even with all of that because of awesomeness.
Personallity is key, you make everypony like you
, and they listen to you. Its also harder to lynch you if you do that. My accounts are proof of that, through I think over 100 games played (9k total posts)
I have been lynched
ignoring a couple with cop stuff and the game a partner essentially threw...
three or four times
.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:21 pm

^ You have obviously never played with anyone at the same skill level as this town before. I am pretty sure all those 100 games are newbie games.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:51 pm

@ Kimor, the only reason I am trying to drive home the point to RBD as to how badly she lost is because she tried to take a dig at my case against her and acted her usual arrogant self. If she had said nothing, I would have said nothing. If she had said "good game, town, we tried but we lost", I would have said "hey good game, RBD, you played well in some aspects and you did stay alive until day 3 which is an achievement by itself. Better luck next time, it was intense playing with you."

But no, despite her loss, she tries to delude herself into thinking I was "semi-lucky" I caught her on her second post. It is that sort of attitude I hate from caught scum. "Oh, I didn't do anything I wouldn't have done as town."

You argue with Klick about how you caught him - it is a similar type of argument.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:52 pm

And Kimor, caught scum is caught scum. I am not trying to discredit you catching Klick and I ask that you don't either despite any feelings of envy that you didn't latch onto RBD immediately.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:56 pm

So, yeah, we all absolutely kicked RBD's butt this game and I just want to want to drive it home to her since she seems deluded.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:59 pm

Kimor, do you lack the capability to read? Why are you jealous that you didn't catch on? You did fine catching Klick. You can't do everything in the game. Now is the time, you say "good game, we collectively did great" and stop it rather than whining "waah, I didn't catch RBD, so I am going to argue to argue with other townies because I am jealous"

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:03 pm

In post 1049, rapidcanyon wrote:Kimor, do you lack the capability to read? Why are you jealous that you didn't catch on? You did fine catching Klick. You can't do everything in the game. Now is the time, you say "good game, we collectively did great" and stop it rather than whining "waah, I didn't catch RBD, so I am going to argue to argue with other townies because I am jealous." Also, you are a moron. Instead of giving me a high-five, you are wallowing in jealously. Whatever, Kimor, suit yourself.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:05 pm

In post 1051, rapidcanyon wrote:
In post 1049, rapidcanyon wrote:Kimor, do you lack the capability to read? Why are you jealous that you didn't catch on? You did fine catching Klick. You can't do everything in the game. Now is the time, you say "good game, we collectively did great" and stop it rather than whining "waah, I didn't catch RBD, so I am going to argue to argue with other townies because I am jealous." Also, you are a moron. Instead of giving me a high-five, you are wallowing in jealously. Whatever, Kimor, suit yourself.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:07 pm

Okay then, go and cry about how not catching one mafia member hurts you personally than having fun at the collective thrill of owning the mafia and winning the game. Your close-mindedness amazes me.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:10 pm

It was Kimor who was all pissed he didn't catch RBD. Some people are just not worth playing with. Sometimes, you have with people, other times, they are so obsessed with themselves that they continue arguing for absolutely no reason. I posted RBD quotes for fun. If he was offended he didn't catch her, that is one thing. It was not meant to offend him but to make fun of RBD since she was so full of herself. W/e, I am not responding if Klick doesn't.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:11 pm

* Kimor doesn't.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:15 pm

Yeah, well, Kimor chose to respond... like I said, I won't respond if he doesn't.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:57 pm

You mad at this?

In post 292, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Rapid, a lot of your points on Dashie are pretty bad. They've all been tackled at one point or another by her or Whiskers, so I'm not going to bother.

I'll settle for player advice: Your suspicions right now are driven by things that you think scum would do.
Sure, scum might come in and try to take advantage of the suspicion already present on yabba, but you have to realize that it's also perfectly plausible that a townie could come in and just think yabba is scum. You're only seeing one possible motivation for her actions, when in fact there are many.

Similarly, you've got yourself so convinced that your case is a good one, that anyone who doesn't like it must be scum. "There's NO WAY a townie could disagree with this!" - you're thinking in the back of your mind.

FYI - the past few pages from RC look newbie to me, not necessarily scummy.

Who was right? I was right. This isn't debatable because RBD's flip in red is there for all to see. Seriously, Johnny, I have never seen such a selfish, jealous group of people before. You did well killing Klick but you made a mistake with RBD. Admit it, admit you were wrong, congratulate me for catching her so early (within two posts) or not, and move on. Jeez. would you like me to keep going on after you about how I don't like your reasoning for killing Klick? Would you like me to keep saying "You were wrong, Johnny, Klick was pro-town. You should never have killed him, yada, yada. No. I am saying "I was wrong about Klick, he did a wonderful job fooling me. Good job catching him Johnny."

I know some of you guys were completely and utterly fooled by RBD during the first day. Maybe that is why I keep hearing things about how good she is. But now is not the time to defend your positions. Now is not the time you say "The case against RBD was not strong" or the time I say "no, you were wrong to kill Klick, booya." No, now is the time we understand why different people had the reads they did, say good game and go on our way.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:04 pm

In post 1061, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Stop. Now. You are not as good as you think you are.

Actually, I am better than a whole bunch of people who played this game, RBD, and Whiskers for a start.

I actually considered killing you day one. Enough people thought klick was town that I thought I might be mistaken, so I thought I'd kill you and save the town the trouble. If I had been alive D2 or 3 I would have suggested policy lynching you since the town was in a fantastic position.

Yeah, because when a townie makes a case for lynching scum, lynching the townie is the way to win games. Are you listening to yourself? Really, if you have some problem deep inside that you were fooled by RBD, GET OVER IT. Stop insulting the person who did catch her.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:08 pm

@ Klick and Johnny, if you don't want to admit you were wrong, that is fine, but stop continuing to argue for no reason and digging an already dead thread by making more and more comments.

Stop. Now. You are not as good as you think you are.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:11 pm

Yeah, Kimor, not you. I said I won't respond if he doesn't. I have absolutely NO idea why he continues to do so or why Johnny feels the need to say "stop" after I explicitly said there will be no responses and people stopped posting in the thread altogether.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:33 pm

Oh LOOK at who is absolutely unable to neither comprehend what I am saying nor willing to put the issue to rest! JohnnyFarrar!

You really want to keep talking about this? Fine.

1) There is no town motivation for going after Yabba of all people. Yabba wasn't suspicious enough to quickwagon or lynch. That is how I KNEW she had malicious intent. This is how you catch scum. Do you understand how the game of mafia is played? You look at behaviors that are far more likely scum than town. Sure, it is possible she was town suspecting Yabba and the whole thing about Eido suspecting Yabba was a mere co-incidence. Was it likely? No. I don't believe in co-incidences - and I WAS RIGHT about it.

2) Please don't sign up for any games that I am in. I don't want to play with you again. I won't blacklist you either as long as the feeling is mutual but if I see your name on a signup list, I won't sign up. If you see mine, don't sign up.

3) Playing against your win condition is a mod-killable offense. Please quit mafia if you ever intend to do so. Why play?

4) Re: I didn't catch her. Keeping deluding yourself. I made 3 page long cases explaining in great detail why she was scum - and I was right.

5) Stop being an envious brat. I caught her and you didn't. Deal with it. Do you see me getting all mad that you caught Klick? What is your problem? Seriously?

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:41 pm

In post 1072, Rainbowdash wrote:RC - Even if you want to say your case was a good case, you failed to make anypony want to listen to you and thats where you failed as a player. You cant play like you do and expect to ever be liked or considered good, even the CAPS players who you are apparently emulating sorta, they tend to be exceedingly ineffective players if you make them play with logic based players. There is a reason they never stray from the same playerbase.

Im trying to give you advice, if you want to ignore it, go ahead. Ive been here a really long time though and do know a few things about the working of the site and what type of people actually work here. You are more like Umbrage, somewhat below average in skill, but given how you play you are going to be treated as a raw VI for life untill you start learning that this is a social game, and acting like an idiot isnt going to help you in it.

- Are you honestly saying that if you were town, your first vote would be Yabba?

- I am not emulating "caps players" and I am not sure who you are talking about but I'll venture a guess it is MattP, Umbrage, UberNinja, and Salamence. I consider some of them good players, others not so much so. Even the ones, I consider good, I am not really a big fan of caps, it doesn't work and I tried my absolute best to not use CAPS in this game at all. The caps were minimal.

- Not sure who the playerbase is.

- You may have been here long, and you are full of yourself. If scum, I expected you to be at the same level as Klick. I had a higher opinion of your skills, but after this game, I was wrong. No, I wouldn't have told you this if you hadn't kept insisting that you weren't caught by me.

- I am definitely above you in skill. I thought you were good but you disappointed. You are below average - obvious scum whenever you are scum. Two posts, Rainbowdash. That's how long it took to figure you out.

- I wasn't ineffective as a player. I helped the town

steamroller

you. If you think the game turned out any other way, you are kidding yourself.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:12 pm

You DID get lynched Day3. Rainbowdash, would you like me to LINK the post where you got lynched? You seem to be pretending that you led the scum team to a win and that I called you scum but no one listened and you were able to crush the town despite me calling you scum. NO. Let me infuse you with a dose of reality. You got lynched. Town lynched you and I was one of the players who was indirectly pushing your lynch by putting you in my top two scumreads. Whiskers stupidity was shocking but even if I had been adamant about lynching him and waited till Monday for NameUser to hammer him, what would have happenned? I would have led a lynch on you like it was no one's business. I would have raced Yabba to putting the first vote on you. There was ZERO chance of you winning even I had lynched Whiskers.

If JF hadn't killed Klick, yes Klick might have convinced me to lay off of you. You discount that possibility that at some point in time, JF and Kimor would have pushed a Klick lynch. Once Klick was dead, you were open to be lynched. No one followed your analysis and no one thought you "moved wagons." All you were doing was blowing hot air. You have an incredibly high opinion of yourself but you are a huge fluffy pile of nothingness as far as skill is concerned. You are in such shock over this blowout defeat that you can't even admit when you got caught.

I showed no interest in lynching you Day2 because I thought Sweezy-scum and Whiskers were sucking up to you. It turns out, I misread the strategy and only realized later that it is in scum's best interest to buddy with each other more than townies. Once I realized that, I was onto you and Sweezy again. We lynched Sweezy, then we lynched you.

rapidcanyon · Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:49 pm

Great job modding, d3f3nd3r. It was a really fun setup too although a bit town sided considering the scum only get 2 kills.

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:33 am

@ Whiskers, it was my case based on which Sweezy was lynched. I remember it was specifically Sweezy as opposed to PM because I made a case explained how his post was scummy.

@ RBD, it seems like you will never, ever admit defeat when it is staring you in the face and say that if it wasn't for JF, scum would have won. But the fact, this game was so extremely one-sided, it would merely have delayed the town victory. I think me and Yabba won it in the later stages. Catching scum like you and winning landslide victories for town is fun. I have no intention of playing with you though. You are such a drag to play with.

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:14 am

Sweezy lynch - there was no reference to my case in the posts where they made their votes. The suspicion was implicit. Choosing between lurkers, town wanted to lynch Sweezy because I made a case and no one made a case against PM.

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:19 am

Yes, here.

In post 499, Kimor wrote:To address why I suggested Sweezy over Jigglymence, Jigglymence has actually posted fairly recently, but Sweezy has not. I don't see any real case on Jigglymence other than activity, but people have levied cases against Sweezy before and I could see it, even though he's not one of my top suspects.

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:19 am

Kimor, don't be a stupid liar. Accept that you are not perfect. This just makes you look bad.

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:18 am

@ Kimor, you were town and the reason you wanted to lynch Sweezy was because of my case.
@ RBD, this is you:

Rainbowdash

Pretend to laugh all you want but it is obvious that you are just a sore loser.

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:06 am

Yeah, we can just keep arguing back and forth forever. Point is, I caught 2 scum, JF caught 1, you caught 1, Yabba caught 1 etc. We steamrollered them to a win. No point arguing about who contributed more. It was a collective win.

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:31 am

You, whiskers have most certainly have come close to being a troll. If it wasn't for you, we would have won a lot quicker since I wouldn't have had to deal with your stupid defense of scum as well as the distraction you provided on the last day by your scummy behavior making me start a wagon on you. If you didn't exist in the game, I would have stuck with my initial bandwagoning on Yabba's RBD wagon and RBD would have been quick lynched. You STOPPED a mafioso's lynch by being this big giant distraction.

Also, your posts were borderline hilarious. You acted as if you were leading the day thread and that RBD would take over if you got lynched when in reality neither you, nor RBD got a lynch you wanted. It was all just egoistic fluff "moving wagons," "keeping RBD in check."

I have explained to you many, many times. Whatever you may think, RBD's alignment in red is there for all to see. It is not an arguable opinion but a fact. You were wrong. I was right. Deal with it.

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:39 am

In post 1096, Whiskers wrote:
I'm not saying you weren't right. I'm saying you were right for the wrong reasons.

That is what you delude yourself into believing. You are in no position to make that statement since you are the one who was proven to be objectively wrong. Saying I was right "for the wrong reasons" is merely your opinion. You don't decide which reasons were "right" or "wrong." Me being right proves that my reasons were the right reasons.

Town doesn't
know
player alignments, RC. Anyway, you omgus and tunnel. Remember who was almost policy lynched this game. It wasn't me.

I wasn't "almost lynched" period. You were the one who was nearly lynched until Yabba convinced me to go for RBD.

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:56 am

Shut up. The game is over.

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:57 am

@ Kimor, why do you continue arguing after the game is over? Is it a psychological problem that you have?

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:32 pm

In post 1101, Whiskers wrote:
In post 1100, rapidcanyon wrote:@ Kimor, why do you continue arguing after the game is over? Is it a psychological problem that you have?

I don't care if I am wrong, I will continue arguing as if I was right. I cannot accept that someone else could be a better player than me or could catch scum that I was unable to catch so, I will make stupid comments in the endgame.

How very cute of you.

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:37 pm

Who was right?

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:59 pm

Yup. Game over. A fact a lot of people don't seem to understand.

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:42 pm

That's cute.

More to the point, you don't answer my question. Who was right?

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:43 pm

This thread should be locked.

rapidcanyon · Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:43 pm

In post 1111, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
I wish I caught RBD too. I am so sad that I am going to sit and complain about it.

You have problems, dude.

rapidcanyon · Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:13 am

The mod was asking for who the best player was (Yabba/Johnny), not who you think the worst player was. In my opinion, you lost, you sucked, and you now have a case of sour grapes.

rapidcanyon · Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:31 am

For once, I agree. The current situation is not one where encouraging further debate is good. This could keep going on forever and I think it is best to put it aside.

rapidcanyon · Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:31 am

Assuming it really is an innocent question, Yabba led town on a game-winning lynch.

rapidcanyon · Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:36 am

In post 1124, Whiskers wrote:
In post 1122, rapidcanyon wrote:Assuming it really is an innocent question, Yabba led town on a game-winning lynch.

I thought you led all the scum lynches??

I thought you did?

rapidcanyon · Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:03 pm

Everyone, I am sorry I was so argumentative in this game and after it. I think a lot of you played wonderfully especially JF with that early kill, Klick as mafia, Kimor with catching Klick, and Yabba with the RBD lynch. Whiskers did great questioning Rainbowdash throughout the game and it was at its climax that RBD looked the most suspicious to everyone. @ RBD, I am sorry for making fun of you. I wasn't thinking clearly at the time. I don't know why it happenned, some mafia games can get really intense. As for how I played, that is for you guys to decide, if you say I played badly, then that is what I'll take as true. I'll try to iron out my playstyle and play better and more better in future games.