Open 461: True Love (GAME OVER)

[Malakittens]

Vote: Ommy

#12, Sala is that another RVS vote? Or is that serious? If the latter explain.

I think it's better to claim at the end of the Day rather than in the beginning.

[Malakittens]

And yet you didn't vote him Om?
Bitmap, please link that for me?

[Malakittens]

Not sure but let him keep doing it. He's so easy to read when he does it

[Malakittens]

I had to laugh at Moneybags'. He's saying that he thinks his own partner is scum, but doesn't want votes on someone because of his own alignment.

-_-

Yeah, I'm sticking with my vote on OM.

[Malakittens]

Are you literally just jumping on any player?

Gut is not a good reason by itself to vote someone. Nor can I argue you off about your read because I can't dispute gut. Find something I did scummy and call me out on it. Otherwise I will just come to the conclusion you are hopping around on players to see if you can't get others to follow.

[Malakittens]

Really, really Sala. You are justifying Iam's gut vote because OM does it? Bullshit.
I use gut, but I don't soloey vote because of it. I always find the reason that triggers it, so it's up for discussion.

[Malakittens]

I don't like votes on me that are random, unexplained, BS or something I can't argue against.

[Malakittens]

That or his partner is scum, discuss.

[Malakittens]

I don't have an attitude. -.-

[Malakittens]

If I had to pick Grey.

His initial post made me think he's trying to avoid giving out partners as if he might be caught or afaird of making a slip.

I think Money was trying to get his partner to talk more and I now am seeing his one post as an indirect urge. I honestly think he's trying to figure out if Grey is actually scum or not.

I also read what Bitmap linked, but I just skimmed. Ill go through it more later.

[Malakittens]

Find something I did scummy and call me out on it. Otherwise I will just come to the conclusion you are hopping around on players to see if you can't get others to follow.

Will you really? That seems like a pretty ridiculous conclusion to reach. How would I get anyone to follow me without providing any reason why they should?

I already have. It's hard for someone to counteract an argument based on gut. Gut depending on the time is triggered by something someone did in the thread. So if you want to call someone out for being scum have a better reason than gut. Yes, I already have come to the conclusion that you are just hopping your vote on others. If you want to get them to follow you, get a reason, get an argument started and we'll dance.

That or his partner is scum, discuss.

oh look now i'm voting malakittens for concrete reasons.

He's really trying to have his cake and eat it by suggesting that Moneybags and his cube are BOTH looking scummy out of this. Those seem like pretty mutually exclusive opinions, no?

MISREPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP.

Okay, I'm good promise. I called you out for your "gut" vote on me so you find the first thing that can be considered scummy to you.
Yes, I like cake, but I don't eat it, ever, because I'm not a big sweet eater.
Moneybags is the townier out of the two, but now that Moneybags has called him out GG is acting a tadddd bit scummy. If GG was indeed town then he has nothing to hide, so why not say in QT "Yo, Dude what's up, I'm town and I'm Grey nice to meet you, let's have a fun game!"

No.

greygnarl is my cube

Well, that was inevitable. Please, nobody else do this.

Hey now, let's try not to act too pro-town, kay? It will make you look scummy in the end.

[Malakittens]

Ehm.

First off how are you echoing iiam there when it wasn't his quote to begin with?

I don't think he's scum yet, but he's annoying the hell out of me with the gut vote.
Actually, there isn't, but it's bothering me. I rather have him make an effort to find the thing that triggered gut. I use gut as well in order to paste along my reads, but have you ever seen me go "gut".
I'm not omgusing, but I find it interesting that a) you are defending him like you know his alignment. B) calling it that way.

[Malakittens]

I noticed, just find it funny you are being a parrot after someone already mentioned it. It's there and hopefully answered soon enough.

I'm not mad at this game persay. My posts are coming off annoyed because of how I'm feeling. I'm sick and I got a fever.
Do I have something to hide? No. Why? Because only scum have things to hide and well I'm not scum.
Why do I bother about him not making an effort? Because I'm trying to figure out if he's scum sitting behind gut or he's town doing a really crappy job at hunting.
OM we aren't the same person. Just because you do that similar thing doesn't necessarily mean I do the same thing.
So stop trying to make your behaviors, my behaviors.

[Malakittens]

Really GG. You are saying that OM is suscipious, but probably town?..
And Bit is scum because the game is slow and hasn't replaced out.

Oh dear that doesn't make sense at all.

vote: gg

[Malakittens]

Yeah that's 40 posts ago.
There's content, but he hasn't yet commented on it. Sala is Mia and being replaced and I think there's someone else not posting.

So why didn't your vote go on josh? Why bitmap?

[Malakittens]

Man, GG you are so pushy.

[Malakittens]

Why would you want a list of claimed cubes?..

What benefit would that be to you?

[Malakittens]

I think scum are more often wanting to know the pairing of the whole game.
I did not like Josh's jump onto GG. If anything that can be a weak bus if GG flips scum.

I also see town wanting to reread rather than being lazy and not examining it closely.

You say you know who the scum are, but don't give reasons or to whom.
You vote GG for not him not saying that mb and him are a cube, but that's common sense.
I want your reads now.

[Malakittens]

Being lazy isn't a scum tell by itself, but I would think that town would examanine the thread more closely to get accurate reads as opposed to really half-assed or fake reads.
Okay, but clearly it's common sense that MB said GG was his cube. I don't get the vote on GG by JL just because GG didn't say I also confirmed that I'm his cube.

I don't have any information, but just by going by normal mafia standards. I take pairing as cubes as someone who is claiming. So, asking for cubes to me seems role fishing, but it's not the same thing directly. Like role fishing only helps the scum team.

[Malakittens]

CF - OM tends to be aggressive as scum, but this game he is not. He likes to buddy as scum, he'll pick a player and buddy them. Sometimes he'll do it as town, but it reads more jokingly. When he buddies as scum he tends to defend them against others.

I'm also not liking the fact he isn't calling me town or scum based on an earlier post. He knows how I play as both alignments, but chooses to not give out a read.

I'm going to self meta, but I always have frustration and I normally can't get rid of a wagon without help. Only way is with a possible claim, but even then it sometimes will fail.

I have a strong view on gut. We disagree on it, but that doesn't make me scummy.

Read this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=23006

[Malakittens]

Are you literally just jumping on any player?

Gut is not a good reason by itself to vote someone. Nor can I argue you off about your read because I can't dispute gut. Find something I did scummy and call me out on it. Otherwise I will just come to the conclusion you are hopping around on players to see if you can't get others to follow.

Wrong.

See: every one of OM's games.

Mala is being way too jittery and it's making me worried. However I can't discern whether or not this is coming from town or scum Mala so I'm not ready to vote just on that yet.
Oh, while I'm at it, might as well remove my RVS vote lol.
UNVOTE:

Honestly this is the post where I'm leaning more on a scum Om than a town Om.
I think he's trying to be careful on giving a clear read on me.

[Malakittens]

Oh now I see where you got confused -meant aggressive as town, not scum.

[Malakittens]

It's okay. I wouldn't want to be your buddy partner anyways. Last game you did it you were scum, kbai

[Malakittens]

How can someone "bus" someone without knowing their alignment. I would think "bussing" only applies to scum/scum. Om did you just scum-slip?..

[Malakittens]

I hearty endorse RD. >.>

Vote: Ottn

[Malakittens]

Right. Coming from scum GG.

[Malakittens]

I don't think Bit is scum. >.>

[Malakittens]

KittenBit is a cute name. I like it. That's a great hydra name, lol.

[Malakittens]

I'm not jumping into a vote because I know for a fact scum-OM likes to bus as scum and distance as scum.

Basically, I'm leaning on the fact we have a scum-RD or a scum-GG, but not entirely sure which one.

Om had a point that the last game that RD replaced into and took control she was in fact scum.
I have another recent game where I was scum and RD jumped in and took control, removed a wagon off of me and was also a partner of mine. Then got replaced due to a black listing issue with another player.

I'm pretty sure that Bit is not scum and I know I'm not scum.

So I have a bit of a dilemma here.

I already know I'm bad at figuring out a scum-RD to a town-RD.

Scum-RD has no regrets about leading a wagon on her own partner. Check out the most recent Science game, which was modded by Venmar, lead a wagon on Tierce which ultimately won the game for them.

I have read two games of scum-GG and I have played with a completed town-GG.

[Malakittens]

Yet you all are not even considering RD to be scum. Wtf.

[Malakittens]

Nvm.

I'm going to reread again. >.>

[Malakittens]

Having a blonde moment. Please be patient until I talk to Bitmap.

[Malakittens]

Now you are making it sound like you are doubting your scum read on your cube. <.<

[Malakittens]

It's a hammer. GG is it over now?

[Malakittens]

Thoughts:

Wish GG did a better job at fighting off that lynch. It happens though.
I'm thinking RD, but I want to be certain. I'm going to talk it over with Bit possibly tonight.

Alright. Going to be v/la til Monday night. Got a bunch of tests to study for and work this weekend.
Ill try and post a little bit, but not certain.

[Malakittens]

Hey RD..

Did Sala and Riot mention anything in the QT about OM? If so what?

[Malakittens]

Basically, I initiated the gut feel of a scum OM.
I was really pissed that Sala was trying to justify Iam's vote due to OM's gut meta.
Bit basically said that Om does have a decent record with gut, but then asked me for meta on Sala.
Replied: I'm pretty bad at reading Sala.
I was the first to say that Iam/OM were a pair.
Bit replied that does sounds believable.
Actual Bit quote "Om tends to play more aggressive as town. AFAIK he shares my scum traits."

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Then I started questioning myself regarding you being possible scum RD. Due to the Little Italy and FoF game. I also started to question Bit also regarding possible scum.
Bit says he's more lost as town then when he's scum and for me to check the other game to see that he had a better handle on it. Also wanted you to keep your word on your partner being scummy if Om flips scum, but also that if you were scum it would be scary.


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Sala said nothing in the QT? I would have least thought he'd talk a bit.

[Malakittens]

WAIT

[Malakittens]

I know nothing of Mala's meta or her reputation on site nevermind as I write this

I'm aware Om probably does and could've told me.

Whatever. Show me where I've buddied everyone else. Being the hammer isn't scummy. Why do you not consider the possibility of Dash-scum?

I pretty much saw this coming from Bit, but Dashie I'm disappointed in your lack of case. My turn. Incoming.

[Malakittens]

I'm jumping the gun.

Totes sleeping now and then I'll mull that over. >.>

[Malakittens]

I don't even know. I guess I should go meta them both.

@#%@@

Bit said he's more aggressive as town, but he wasn't aggressive this game. -.-

[Malakittens]

I don't even know. >.>

I'm not really seeing Bit as scum, but he isn't playing under his town meta like being aggressive.

[Malakittens]

We do realize that RD is not conf-town right?

[Malakittens]

Ugh. I am currently leaning on my own partner as scum. That's based off the town meta. He's not being aggressive. Then again, OM was saying odd things regarding Dashie by saying watch out she might be scum because she took control in another game, but didn't vote.

[Malakittens]

Oh. I wanted to see reactions : P

Though I'm still waiting patiently.

[Malakittens]

Uh

[Malakittens]

CR: If you thought Grey was town why did you vote him last round?

[Malakittens]

It went on for a while. Both of us were having paranoida actually. He did say that he hoped you would keep your promise of lynching yourself if OM flipped scum.

Though the read on you changed when you were willing to vote your lover(Riot) on D3.

[Malakittens]

He was calling you town mostly, but the part when I did back up
What om was saying. He did say Scum-RD would be scary and things.

[Malakittens]

My gut tells me it's CFR. >.>

vote: cfr

[Malakittens]

Honestly. I'm not sure I'm going to go back on my partner, but I want to wait for Dashie, but see bits case. So don't hammer just yet, Kay?

[Malakittens]

/glares @ Guille.

[Malakittens]

I am thinking it is CR .
I'm probably not going to switch, sorry.

[Malakittens]

Ugh. Damn it. Sorry was me.. I didn't want to convince myself that I let my partner fool me and the whole on bussing thing felt too true to be true.

Also I was a bit blinded by the last two games Dashie came into of mine were both scum games and not one town. That threw me off a bit. Shoulda realized the pure essence slip was odd.

GG guys. My fault ):

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