Open 462: Carbon-14 (Game Over)

[Nekoko]

VOTE: bv310
There can only be 1 neko!

Why the need to kid in your first post?

Well aren't most 1st post during RVS are jokes?

[Nekoko]

By the way, scooby are in VLA until Saturday. Just telling.

Wait, you mean until the end of today?

(Also, who is scooby?)

Ahem, should learn to read the playerlist properly... Sorry scooby!

If CityElectric is telling the truth, I think scooby and CityElectric can't be mafia/werewolf partners

CityElectric is scum. Discuss.

Why is she scum?

[Nekoko]

UNVOTE: bv310
VOTE: dividizzle

Okay I don't see the point in voting for inactives
and it's a convenient way to park votes.

10 days left and we're still lacking in activity...
Our votes are too spread out

[Nekoko]

Well scooby is also away from his other game

[Nekoko]

request replacement for Scooby

Waiting on him will get us no where. Replace him or

lynch him

so we can move on.

lolwat?

[Nekoko]

request replacement for Scooby

Waiting on him will get us no where. Replace him or

lynch him

so we can move on.

lolwat?

The game is stalling because people appear to be looking for him. He is a hindrance to the town, and needs to be dealt with. We can either have him replaced (ideal option), or we lynch him and move on to actual useful game time.

I find this suspicious especially because of the reason of voting for an inactive.
We can't do anything about scooby while he was away
as we will not get reactions from him so the least we could do is find the other scum
among the remaining players (assuming scooby is scum). A bandwagon for an inactive is a nice way for scum
to hide their votes. He could have a power role and it doesn't hurt to replace him.

UNVOTE: dividizzle
VOTE: bv310

MOD: I'll be V/LA from Friday to Sunday

[Nekoko]

So you're willing to accept a lurker because he might have a PR? Especially since, in this setup, one of the two PRs is ENTIRELY useless?

Today it seems he's now lurking but at the time you
suggested to lynch him, we know he's only inactive
as he was also absent in his other game.

And you are never sure if he got the useless PR
but my main point is that a policy lynch is a nice
way for scum to hide their votes essentially making
our first day useless.

[Nekoko]

If you looked into all of scooby's games,
he just posted a one liner to avoid a prod

[Nekoko]

weird I was expecting when I come back, the game is already 7+ pages

I agree with Nekoko that a policy lynch would be a bad idea but we also can't set a precedent that someone can just sit back and watch an entire day go by.
I'm having trouble focusing on anything else because so much of our conversation has revolved around scooby and opinions of his actions/what they could mean.

I detect a buddying attempt here.
You agree with part of my post but you reject the main idea behind it.

If you are willing to excuse an active lurker because of the potential that he is the 1/9 people in this game with a pro-town power, then we have nothing to talk about and should move to a better line of questioning. If, on the other hand, the chance of losing the one PR is worth pressuring every player to contribute, then let's push it.

1. it's 2/7 chance that he's a power role
2. we could easily replace him

UNVOTE: bv310

Okay understood the sense here "the chance of losing the one PR is worth pressuring every player to contribute, then let's push it."
The fact the we are discussion about scooby, some scummy player stood out which is dividizzle.

@Nekoko, what's up with the random line breaks?

I don't know if this has relevance to the game
but the line breaks make it look easier and nicer to read,
for me at least...

I just reread through the interaction between Lincolm and F16 and I think Lincolm's actions look pretty suspicious. He has an inconsistent approach to lurkers based on his determination of what their level of activity should be. it seemed like a convenient way to throw some pressure out there without any substance.

1. In the context of Lincoln's post, scooby was inactive but not a lurker so I don't see any inconsistencies here.
With this, Lincoln looks better than you because instead of "pressuring" an inactive, he pressured a not inactive player.
2. I think what's clear here is that you're justifying your vote on scooby

[Nekoko]

I think it's common sense that everyone should have an intent to hammer to avoid a no lynch.

[Nekoko]

dividizzle

Right now I'm still suspicious of dividizzle.
He was just lucky that Lincolm did a newbie scummy mistake.

His reasoning for voting Lincolm in the first place was based on
his belief that being inactive already means lurking.

Lincolm suspects F-16 because he thinks he's actively lurking and thinks differently of scooby.
Because of this, dividizzle thinks Lincolm was being inconsistent.

I think this is an indirect way of also justifying his previous vote.
dividizzle suspected scooby because he was inactive
(it was not proven that he was lurking because he was also absent in his other games)

I am also suspicious because after Post #115 by Lincolm,
dividizzle suddenly disappeared. I think he left the town to destroy itself.

F-16_Fighting_Falcon

If dividizzle is scum, then it makes sense for me that F-16 would be his partner.
Post #111 probably derailed the wagon on dividizzle saving him.
I think Lincolm wouldn't be so confident in unvoting without this..

City Electric

Leans townie for me. I think like the way she is posting because she posts what she thinks.
For example, this post comes to mind Post #13
I believe scum would try to check each of their post for slips and stuff.

bv310

Although I feel bv310 is lurking sometimes, I have a gut feeling that he's town
based from his posts.

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I think the seer should claim now since it's LYLO because...
1) minimizes the chance of a mislynch
2) 50/50 chance that scum will counterclaim

[Nekoko]

tl;dr From scummiest to towniest
dividizzle -> F-16_Fighting_Falcon -> City Electric -> bv310

[Nekoko]

Okay I'll come back later at night (probably 12+ hours from now) to comment on other things but
this is my reason why I thought bv was town.

I thought he's the potential seer and here is why.

1. bv was unusually absent or he was posting sparingly. I think if you're lurking and you're not scum,
you could be a power role to avoid unneeded attention.

2. He was confident in lynching scooby even though he could potentially be a power role.
This led me to believe that he is a power role. And also this

If you are willing to excuse an active lurker because of the potential that he is the

1/9

people in this game with a pro-town power, then we have nothing to talk about and should move to a better line of questioning. If, on the other hand, the chance of losing the one PR is worth pressuring every player to contribute, then let's push it.

If assuming he thought there was 9 players, shouldn't it be 2 instead of 1.

3. Also this one looks like a breadcrumb or something.

vote: dividizzle
Obviously a werewolf. Look at the fur coming out of his ears!

So after CityElectric's claim, I was surprised that bv is not the seer.
This changes a lot because a dividizzle-bv scum team looks more plausible than a dividizzle-f-16 team.

bv never suspected dividizzle and the only time he wanted to vote him (except for the random vote in the beginning)
was because it was just necessary to lynch someone instead of no lynching.

[Nekoko]

That said, I would like to point at Nekoko for likely scum. If you look through his posting history, all he's talked about so far is that there might be a seer in the game. His reasoning for excusing Scooby before was that he might be a PR. He's basically refused to look at me because he saw a joke and thought I was softclaiming Seer (this actually seems likely that if he's scum, the scum is Mafia, not WW).

Because speculating on whether a power role is player A or B is fluff that appears game-related. It's used by scum to try and figure out who the PR is on reactions.

How is speculating who the seer is scummy when it's already LYLO?
Wouldn't it help reduce the suspects since it's very important to lynch scum in LYLO??

And of course I thought you were Seer because the Cop died what else would I think??

I know for a fact that power roles breadcrumb even on day 1 so that
they could be believable when they role claim later
and since I know you were posting a bit sparingly on day 1,
it must have a totally good reason, right?

[Nekoko]

Nekoko also offers to hammer Dividizzle. Again, the 107 seemed somewhat unnecessary.

This was more of a response to CityElectric's post to Post #105

[Nekoko]

Two of Nekoko's points in Post 158 about bv310 are pretty flawed, if you think about it. Her first point is flawed, because the assumption of him not being scum needs to come from somewhere and she doesn't explain that in her post and her second point is flawed in that bv310 has expressed to not consider the seer a PR if there is mafia.

1. Of course I did not assume he's town before I looked at his posts.
I saw some signs that he might be a power role that's why I had a town gut feeling.
Now with the lurkish behavior alone, I would think he's suspiciously scummy but
I couldn't help but think he might be a PR because he somehow fits the description of a PR.
He was adamant in lynching scooby even without considering he's a PR and his random vote
in the beginning which although is a joke could be a creative way to breadcrumb.

2. Can you explain your second point?

Regardless whether we have mafia or werewolf, both cop and seer are called PR.
PR just means they are

not

vanilla.
It's not the fact that they can investigate correctly
that is important because no scum has yet flipped,
it's the fact that they are confirmed town.

Okay, so first we point out two flaws in the post and then we unvote? What?

It was a gesture that I was ready to hammer dividizzle.
Honestly, would it matter if I parked my vote on bv?
The truth is that at that time it is very unlikely
that bv will be lynched near the end of day 1.
And my suspicion for bv at that time slightly decreased.

Disregard my weak town read on Nekoko, I think bv-Nekoko has a strong chance of being the scum team. On the other hand, why would scum try to bus during LyLo?

It means we're not partners! Period.

Great thought. How about you posted that when discussing F-16's post was still relevant? Now it just seems like you're trying to derail the discussion about your bv-town read.

It still relevant because it is still one of things why F-16 thinks I'm scummy.
And I don't see how it could derail the bv-town read with that single statement.

[Nekoko]

@ Nekoko, why no BV vote? If you are town, it should be obvious to you that he is scum, shouldn't it? If me and Div were scum together, we would have hammered you a long while ago.

VOTE: bv310

[Nekoko]

What? You didn't mention hammering divid in that post, nor was hammering divid a topic at that point. Try again.

It's less than what, 48 hours before the deadline and divid was the only viable choice at that time??
Of course I was readying to hammer divid. Now tell me what's so damning in unvoting bv??
Will it matter when no one suspects him and divid is most likely to be lynched at that time?
It's also the reason why I said Post #105 after reading your post.
It was unnecessary to tell that you will vote to hammer to prevent a no-lynch because it's what's expected of everyone.

[Nekoko]

Yes of course. When I was looking at bv310, there are 2 logical explanation that I can see
to explain his actions on D1. He is either a PR or a scummy. It made sense to think he was a PR
because it fits to what I believe is seer. Again I would reiterate

1) posting sparilingly is done by PR so that they won't bring undue attention to themselves especially to a NK
2) was perfectly fine (and appears to be confident) in lynching scooby without considering he's a PR
3) bv310's 1st post that although appears to be a joke, it makes sense if he is the seer

Here is what I think is the scum team.

bv310 and dividizzle

Post #28: This is the first time scooby was voted because of his inactivity
Post #35: Although he requested for scooby's replacement, I don't like how he even suggested lynching him.
I think this is a subtle way of testing whether other will follow through before joining in the vote.
It will probably be suspicious if both players suddenly join in to vote.
Also because of this, it won't be necessary for bv310 to "fight" dividizzle because he also
somewhat agrees in lynching an inactive.
Post #46: bv310's reason for even considering to lynch scooby was because the game is stalling because
people appear to be looking for him. In the first place, dividizzle started all of this.
Post #88,90:

We need to figure out what we're doing. Short deadlines means we have to have concrete action. I willl hammer Divi when we get to deadline

if need be

, though I'd prefer

no one hammer until the last day

so we get the most to work with.

@F16, I find his last two posts to be

somewhat

scummy, and

I'd rather have a lynch than a no-lynch

. We need all the information we can get with this setup.

bv310 is forced to vote his team mate. If you read his posts, he isn't exactly into lynching div.
Also he was not going into the specifics why he became suspicious of div.
It's weird because in the beginning, bv310 was perfectly fine in lynching scooby for his inactiveness.

Also I think there has to be a reason why scooby was night killed. He was probably a threat to dividizzle.

[Nekoko]

I'm sorry, Godot. Due to the lack of activity, I didn't realize that I hadn't done anything for 3 days...

My main problem with Nekoko is still her logic behind bv310 being a seer. Her first and second point both make as much, if not more, sense if you replace PR with scum.

It's because she's not looking for scum when she made that post. She's looking for PRs because she's scum.

Looking for the PR during

LYLO

is now scummy?
I don't see how that is scummy because you'll reduce the number of suspects by one.

[Nekoko]

Congrats divi
They thought you were town

[Nekoko]

This game was an interesting experience for me to mod and, though the slow pace worried me, I had hope it would balance out at some point. After a bit, I figured I could back off a little with the speed of the game. This was my first time moderating a game, so you are welcome to drop comments on how I served you in that manner, what I did right and what I could do better next time.

lol you were great. Those flavor text made me lol