Open 472: Town of Lottery Addicts GAME OVAH!

[RachMarie]

For picking my favorite number

VOTE: S.A.D.

[RachMarie]

EBWOP wrong one lol


VOTE: T.A. M.



(I knew it was someone with initials )

[RachMarie]

It is RVS you can vote someone S.A.D

There are 14 players, if you subtract yourself and the two who are voting for you that still leaves 11...

[RachMarie]

Om

[RachMarie]

ahem I have already voted

As for who is scummiest well it is a tad early to really pinpoint much, hence my RVS was for someone who duplicated my number.


and yes Om I am well aware of how you are, hence I am keeping an eye on you.

[RachMarie]

I am not sure yet I have seen conflicts like this be both a town v town situation and the result of a scum trying to throw mud on someone quite early. I need more discussion to sort it all out, especially since many of the players have yet to post. I am more of a big picture person.

I do know that Om plays weird no matter what his alignment.

[RachMarie]

I think that a scum team would not uber bus one of their own in RVS when over half of the players have not even posted for the first time yet.

Om is probably town though he is being a tad more bouncy and punchy than he usually does when he is scum.

Jal is correct that the PRs could either be scum or town (though there is a higher percent for town since it is 11 town and 3 scum) If I remember from the last time I played this, the number of PRs varies a bit too. We can have up to 7 or 8 but most likely do not have that many. Jal please tell me you are not going to do like Hoopla did and get all super complicated math on us.

Ald not everyone can be scum, so far you have pointed fingers at practically everyone who has posted.



Pedit holy cow ya all post a lot

[RachMarie]

Um SAD what??

I thought the purpose of a vengeful IS to get lynched D 1 so they could shoot someone in a venge kill?

The games I have been in where there was a vengeful it only was available on the first day.


pedit @ SAD the image you are linking it keeps coming up as image in text. Your avatar is fine.

Pedit #2 geez will you boys let a girl get a word in edgewise

[RachMarie]

One other thing remember to do any actions BEFORE a lynch happens uggh I was having RL issues and I did not get my jk action in on time on N 1 and we lost Hoopla over it.

Thats right you were in that game too Jal

[RachMarie]

what wait a minute is that a soft claim???

NO CLAIMING it is too early WTF???

[RachMarie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=22791 here is the game that Jal and I were referring to.

Or someone who has played this game before. Especially when it cost the town so much last time and contributed to peeps thinking I was a scum JK bah.


How can it be obvious?

[RachMarie]

Bitmap are you doing this differently than Scott and not having instant night I am so confused

[RachMarie]

Thanks for clearing that up . I wish Scott's had been we might have won oh well..

Meanwhile back to this game.

[RachMarie]

Om you brought math in it...

That drove me crazy when Hoopla did it and made me think she was possibly scum trying to obfuscate. NO MATH, focus on real scum hunting please.

[RachMarie]

Oh yeah I remember dude who picked redirector instead of cop that was so weird lol.

If I remember he had the top spot. So Why Aldu of all of the top 7? There are 5 ahead of you why not look at any of them?

[RachMarie]

hmm that is a good point. Though having a 10 way up top kinda beats that down a bit. If I remember right would have to look since it has been a long time and there was a LOT that has happened tween that game and this, the 3s were like dead last I think?

@ Jal why did you pick 2?

I picked 7 for the same reason I did last time it is my favorite number, and I figure since it is all random anyways might as well go with a number I like.

[RachMarie]

wait WTF did you just claim SAS?? A doc especially should NOT claim if he or she can avoid it

(totally off topic HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone ♥)

[RachMarie]

*SAD not SAS I am still trying to learn how to type with this stupid wrist brace on for the Carpal Tunnel uggh.

[RachMarie]

geez ya all talk a LOT.

Ok where to start:

1. I would like to know why those who think I am so town think so? Ever since I was fooled in my first game, I am suspicious of people being too confident I am town, especially on D1 when I tend to not preform as well as on later days because it takes me a while to sort everyone out. I am a big picture person.

2. Welcome to the game Rev.

3. I have played in several games with Om with many different game mechanics, plus I was in a game he modded. I would not recommend trying to do too much meta on him, he and Gunny both are young and love to do weird shit and be rather unpredictable and chaotic. Tends to lead people to think they are scum when they are actually town. So I am not yet sure if he is town or scum at this point and need more data, though I am leaning town on him.

4. Give me a bit of time and I will be able to sort out if LS is town or scum, I usually read him fairly well.

5. Jal is a tricky one plays very well both as town and scum, so will be watching her closely.

6. TAM needs to get his butt in here and post MORE.

7. I do find SAD's lack of RVS vote odd, but not enough to automatically jump to that he is scum. The fact he messed up on picking a PR (if that is true), would seem more town than scum because the scum pay more attention because they have to. I can't see a scum who came in at the top of the list passing up a chance for a PR.

8. What is with all the claiming fake or otherwise? We are way too early in the game for that. If you are really claiming then you are giving the scum data they need to figure out who is and is not a PR. Stop it.

9. I am glad that abc got banned. uggh

10. Moving along to Ald's complaint that I did not respond much to the froofroo. Well most of it was fluff and nonsense. I certainly can understand in the RVS phase nitpicking anything to get some real discussion going like picking the fact that SAD made no vote, but most of what was covered in those pages really does not contribute to figuring out any of the player's alignments. Not to mention, the fact I need to have posts from all the players then compare to their ISOs to get a good handle on where everyone is.

More later this wall is already too large.

[RachMarie]

Oh god 10 pages. I skim when it's one page.

VOTE: alduskkel

Basically sheeping om.

A sheep vote on the main wagon

Ummmm... I don't really see much to reply to, jal. It's all directed elsewhere and yeah.

Well now that people are looking at YOU, do you have more to say?


He is probably uber lurking town though. I would think if he were scum he would be paying more attention to the game. And I believe I did play a game with him where we were both scum, will see if I can find it.

[RachMarie]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=22995 Open 439 I replaced in for Noctis during LYLO, and yes mafia won that game.

Siv was our backbone and the reason we won on our side and well the town kinda went duuuh a bit too. ]

Bonus you get to see Om as town... he was in that one too.

[RachMarie]

@ BK why do you have a town read on me? or on the other two you have mentioned, though since I picked 7 I was wondering about the town read on me?

[RachMarie]

Why do you say that Om since after we pick our numbers it is randomized? Hence why a 10 is up in the top this game.... Last time I played this game 3s were dead last?

[RachMarie]

I don't find number theory at all useful I am looking more at what people post and regular scum hunting.

[RachMarie]

Then how come 10 is way up at the top LS?

[RachMarie]

Om-- don't get too cocky about that, scum often NK universal town reads

but yeah you seem more towny to me too.

[RachMarie]

TBF I was a town PR last time (JK) and there are definitely differences tween that game and this one, like not having instant nights.

I thought Om was kidding about being cop?

Though in this game a cop could be either town or scum. The top draftee in the last match up picked redirector I think? and was scum. So I would not rule too much out this early in the game.

Pedit let me post peeps

[RachMarie]

wait was that the hammer :O

If he comes up town cop, we need to take a really good look at orci tomorrow... or for that matter if he comes up scum (could be a bus)..

[RachMarie]

I do not like quickhammers Om.

[RachMarie]

Must be a different Masons and Mafia I do not remember Rev being in the one you modded Om?

[RachMarie]

Since it turned out not to be a hammer after all BTW I went to FB on another tab for a bit while the thread was locked. I have like 15 or 20 tabs open all the time and flip from one to another. I work as well as play on my computer.



VOTE: Orci

[RachMarie]

Not an excuse.. truth. I have no reason to lie.


Pedit @ SAD Ald claimed cop.

[RachMarie]

oh good grief. I am an educator, a writer, and I make jewelry. I work from home. I would be happy to provide a screen shot of my many open tabs. bah.

[RachMarie]

https://www.facebook.com/rachmariesagi here better yet here is my FB profile it is open to the public and you will see I was posting on it.

[RachMarie]

Because I am annoyed that Rev does not believe me about something non game related. I never lie as town and I rarely lie as scum. And I do not lie about RL stuff ever.

[RachMarie]

As soon as I checked the thread I voted for you Orci

[RachMarie]

I don't have a problem with you distrusting me about mafia related things, it was the fact you assumed I was lying about non mafia things

Om, BK, Jal are all familiar with my playstyle, and BK mentioned it already.

[RachMarie]

My feeling is this

I do not like the quickhammer that turned out not to be a hammer, though I do know town sometimes derp quickhammers, most of the time it is a scum move to end discussion (like self hammering). Also my feeling is when you have an un cced PR claim even if it turns out to be a fake claim or a scum role, you can determine that easier after at least one night, than on D1. The risk we might mislynch a town PR is a greater concern.

[RachMarie]

That I don't see Ald, the only time I have seen a VT fake claim a PR was when Absta did it.

[RachMarie]

I would like to hear from the lukers as well a lot has happened since they last posted.

[RachMarie]

thanks honey ♥

[RachMarie]

Edo it is LS and Jal who are voting for you, Ald is voting for our other lurker Siv.

Also why so snappy about votes on you? We still have 8 days to figure things out. And it sounded like you were threatening Ald if he did not get off you, (even though you were mistaken about him being on you), that you would vote him. That is OMGUS.

Do you have any thoughts besides that?


Pedit forgot about grey and venrob they too have been a tad lurky. LS often is lurky, looking for other signs that I usually can pick up on him.

[RachMarie]

Being Doc sucks I have had that role way too many times in previous games uggh. Why do you think I picked JK last time I played this game I was so not gonna get near being Doc again



Pedit thanks for responding Edo

[RachMarie]

Cause I have drawn it so many times in previous games I think that Random.org hates me lol So I can't see someone willingly picking it.

Anyways back to the game.

[RachMarie]

Om do you think Rev is scummy? Why wait for others to vote then.

If you think he is town, then why would you vote for him for any other situation than close to deadline lynch to prevent a NL?

[RachMarie]

Figures you are an Aries Om lol.

I am going to take a look at this when it is not after 2 AM my time and do some ISO work too I am beginning to get lost a bit in all the back and forth.

[RachMarie]

Oh BTW Ald (off topic) I love your avatar ♥ Brandi is so talented.

[RachMarie]

Ald not always, I picked 7 last time and I got to pick JK and I also was town.

[RachMarie]

Could someone explain to me what PGO is and how it works?

[RachMarie]

uggh because I am not yet sure which one is telling the truth and which one is lying.

Will compare their ISOs and see.

[RachMarie]

Because it's not worth it to lynch you during the day to just kill you at night, Ald.

huh what? umm if he is scum he needs to be lynched and will not be nked.

If he is town, then a good chance of being nked?

your statement makes no sense?

[RachMarie]

hmmm good point there..

VOTE: Ald

[RachMarie]

I have played cop before once (I most of the time get doc for some whacked reason and got jk I think once or twice other than when I picked it in the last version of this game.)

I saw your points but overall pattern he read as confident, especially if you ignore all the numbers stuff. You on the other hand, seem really nervous and are getting more nervous as time goes on. Ir is like you are begging us not to lynch you, and that is AtE. So I am responding to the tone.

BTW when I was cop? I replaced into Newbie 1222. It was Mylo, and I thought hmm will hold out on claiming, but then Ghosty claimed JK and I really felt he was scum, but we backed off of him. I was also really suspicious of Hiplop not following through with the hammer the day before which is why I investigated him. Unfortunately he was NKed and turned out to be the doc. Which told me that Ghosty was lying. I did not have a guilty on him but there can only be 1 or 2 PRs in a newbie game. I had two choices, I could not claim and try the next night to find his scum buddy, or I could claim and try to get him lynched. I chose to claim, they no lynched ugh. I died. But in dying it proved I was right and we still won the game.

If I were in your shoes and the cop I would be confident and not begging, knowing that town could still win the game even with a town PR death.

[RachMarie]

This game...


No plans to kill my bf he is great

BK if we lose this game grrr wtf was that?

Town needs to get its shit together we are done a PR and 2 more townies not good

Nice try Jal at painting me scum there. LS and I are friends and we have played together in several games from my very first one on site, however both of us have helped lynch each other many times. I think it is far more likely that the vig is town and took a shot at BK. There was no scum motivation in killing him, instead of getting him as a mislynch. I think scum hit LS because they thought he was a possible PR. He does give off that aura a fair bit.

So now back to the game I am going to look at everyone on and off of Ald's wagon and see what I can find.


@ Rev

I realize it was a typo but the funny part is my bf goes by NS short for his user name which is Nobody Speciak.

[RachMarie]

uggh Special that is a bad typo

[RachMarie]

Jal you have played enough games with me by now to know I don't do very well on D 1, so yeah not a scum tell. It always takes me a while to warm up. Had I been scum, I wold not have nked LS over some of the other possibilities. Do you really think that Rev is scum? Or are you trying to lead the town on a merry mislynch goose chase? I feel he explained himself well enough over the vote of me, but you are not letting it go. Why is that?

SAD maybe on to something definitely want to look at those LS was suspicious of.

[RachMarie]

Is there any kind of case on Venrob besides him lurking a lot? I really don't see it. It is 3 AM here so tomorrow I will look more closely and post more about my scumspects.

[RachMarie]

Get some sleep Venrob your health is more important than a game. Sleep Deprivation can cause serious health risks.

[RachMarie]

Could we can the fake scum claims pretty please with cherry on top?

grey do you have any specific reason for your vote you just plunked it down.

[RachMarie]

LOL not ignoring them just been busy away from the computer hold your shirt they are coming

[RachMarie]

Wait was that a vote from SAD? :O

L-1 hmm

Ok INTENT to hammer, holding it til Orc has a chance to claim etc. And for others to post their thoughts.

[RachMarie]

Yes ma'am

I have been dealing with a rather messy situation in the game I was modding that is now over. will get you those reads shortly.

[RachMarie]

This one requires ISO research the other games were quick posts.

Ok here goes

I claimed intent to hammer to make sure no one derp hammered I always feel better when the hammer is in my hands.

Of the two wagons, venrob and orc I feel orc is more likely to be scum.

I am also rethinking a bit my read on Jal and Om. One of the two may very well be scum. But not both. I reread through LS's ISO and I think the reason he was killed was his push on Orc. Otherwise why would they go for someone who is that low instead of trying for a PR. Which definitely tipped the favor to Orc. That was who LS was primarily focusing on.

I think Rev is town, also think TAM needs to post MORE. He is probably town though just lucking a LOT his play when he does post reminds me of Heterosexual Mafia and he lurked a lot in there too.

I think Siv is probably scum. His vote on the Ald wagon was fishy. Ald also was pushing for Orc and he was our town cop after all. I wish BK had not done what he did uggh it really muddied up the waters.

SAD is probably town the whole not vote thing and then finally putting an L-1 vote on Orc seems a bit ballsy for scum. If you compare it to Siv's vote on Ald you can see a big difference.

Edo needs to post more as well I am having trouble getting a handle on him. The comments on Edo from Orc seem like pushing the easy lynch so I am putting Edo as leaning town for now.

Grey needs to post more as well. However I have a towny feel from him.

[RachMarie]

I had to find another mod that was not in my game I was modding to run what to do by, If you look at Open 459 you will see why. Game is over but I had to modkill someone So yeah I was busy yesterday.

[RachMarie]

Based on my reads:

VOTE: Orc

[RachMarie]

Om why do you think Edo is scum? And no circular logic please, I want actual reasoning here.

[RachMarie]

That is all you got Om?

[RachMarie]

I am a little surprised by it too Jal, normally you read me better than this, even know when I have a PR. What's up?

Om if you are that bored by the game that you are not going to contribute.... why not replace out? Or get in and make the game less boring.

[RachMarie]

I did post my reads did you miss that post?

[RachMarie]

This one requires ISO research the other games were quick posts.

Ok here goes

I claimed intent to hammer to make sure no one derp hammered I always feel better when the hammer is in my hands.

Of the two wagons, venrob and orc I feel orc is more likely to be scum.

I am also rethinking a bit my read on Jal and Om. One of the two may very well be scum. But not both. I reread through LS's ISO and I think the reason he was killed was his push on Orc. Otherwise why would they go for someone who is that low instead of trying for a PR. Which definitely tipped the favor to Orc. That was who LS was primarily focusing on.

I think Rev is town, also think TAM needs to post MORE. He is probably town though just lucking a LOT his play when he does post reminds me of Heterosexual Mafia and he lurked a lot in there too.

I think Siv is probably scum. His vote on the Ald wagon was fishy. Ald also was pushing for Orc and he was our town cop after all. I wish BK had not done what he did uggh it really muddied up the waters.

SAD is probably town the whole not vote thing and then finally putting an L-1 vote on Orc seems a bit ballsy for scum. If you compare it to Siv's vote on Ald you can see a big difference.

Edo needs to post more as well I am having trouble getting a handle on him. The comments on Edo from Orc seem like pushing the easy lynch so I am putting Edo as leaning town for now.

Grey needs to post more as well. However I have a towny feel from him.

For Jal

[RachMarie]

what about my reads Edo? I copied them again since they got lost in the shuffle.

Thanks Om, I hope you know I still suspect you, though. It seems likely one of you or Jal is and Jal seems more town than you.

ehh I think Siv is scum. mostly gut, but the way he slipped onto the Ald wagon seems so fishy.

[RachMarie]

I did at first too, in spite of them both being 2s. But he has gotten bored and is not bothering with the game. Which means either he is scum and hating being ignored, or he is town and being anti-town as all get out by not either participating or replacing out. Om is too good a player to let off the hook completely. Don't let his age fool you. He needs to be pushed harder.

[RachMarie]

It is tomorrow now Om...

[RachMarie]

oh gods Om are you REALLY going to make us wait til like 2 3 AM California time

[RachMarie]

yeah for me too Rev his vote on both Ald and now this one just ping my scumdar. Also it is almost like he is not playing the same game we are, if that makes any sense? he pops on and puts his vote on the biggest and most likely wagon (or in the case above the person just mentioned before he popped on and posted), and the rest of the time he is lurking. Very little reasoning about his votes or who he thinks is most likely town.

Yes we need a lynch before deadline but I would prefer a GOOD lynch aka someone who is most likely scum not just anyone.

[RachMarie]

I do have a RL as well Jal. But time is getting close. I believe I have a vote placed already. Om still needs to be pressured he has been absent from the game far longer than I have. What more are you looking for Jal?

[RachMarie]

TAM, Has Orc claimed?

Another point for Jal What do you think of Siv? Several of us see him as scummy.

[RachMarie]

ahh ok.

[RachMarie]

WTF is a DS??

[RachMarie]

That is bizarre Jal? Why do you think scum is not going for a PR to NK? It makes no sense to me that they have not at least tried for a PR.

[RachMarie]

I think it is bizarre that they are not trying to kill town PRs. Not a slur on you. I have been in bed most of the day because of some viral bug and just now drinking coffee. Sorry for the poor phrasing.

[RachMarie]

I am wondering if it is time for a mass claim popcorn style.

Either Ald was our only Town PR, or the scum are playing a major WIFOM on us.

[RachMarie]

Ye gods if I were scum I would have gone after town PRs for sure. I definitely would have pushed for a lynch of LS not killed him at night. SAD umm I would have to check with NS first before you could do me lol As for suspecting me of mafia, uggh.


Fine I am claiming VT and I tried for the JK slot and did not get it. We need to stop lynching our own and nail scum. Did TAM ever say why he picked 7? I picked it cause it is my lucky number, same reason I picked it last time.

[RachMarie]

LOL 3 and 7 are two of the most commonly picked numbers. For a number of reasons from a psychological and spiritual base, those two numbers have major significance.

[RachMarie]

Finally about time we looked at Siv, he has been coasting all game. I have been saying he is probably scum for a while now.


Om you have been bored most of the game cause no one pushed on you, and now that people are you are assuming they are all scum?

VOTE: Siv

[RachMarie]

I lost interest in this game a long time ago.

your own words Om

[RachMarie]

Umm hello Edo? No report and you are voting for me? I still think Siv is scum JK, a town JK would have been more helpful to town.

Eh I am not fond of Lylo, though ya all really should be lynching scum.... Before you all lynch me though, give me a chance to do some final analysis... Something is fishy around here. For example looks like TAM has not claimed yet. I agree it is time for a hard claim. Especially since I did have the chance for JK, but did not get it.

[RachMarie]

No, but looks like I am the lynch of the day, which means I won't stuck in Lylo. Trying to think positive.

[RachMarie]

@ SAD Remember that the JK is also a RB plus protects if the person he or she targets is targeted. Knowing my luck though had I tried for doc, I probably would have gotten it since well I seem to be a doc magnet in these games. So there might or might not be a doc in this game. IIRC from last round, not always do all PRs get picked. Something like tween 2 and 7 PRs are possible in this setup.

[RachMarie]

Wait a sec, both Ven and Rev tried for tracker and neither got it? But no one claimed tracker? how is that so?

[RachMarie]

ohh duh I forget about that being the flip cause I just wanted JK, don't think much of Tracker and I definitely avoid Doc.

[RachMarie]

He (Edo) said he did not get a result on me, and Siv said he jailed me (I still can't see how that fits with a town JK) If I were the JK, I would have jailed someone far more likely, such as Om, or even Venrob, since he was the other major wagon and almost got lynched. Instead he picks someone who is a weak town to weak scum read for most of the players and that roleblocked our backup cop from being able to clear me go figure


Of the two Jal and Om, I think Om is far more likely to be scum. I do not see two players of their caliber both picking the same number.


VOTE: Om

[RachMarie]

Sorry Jal is right. Siv said he jailed no one N1 and Edo N2, but that still is why he was not able to clear me last night.

@ Siv Why Edo? Why not Om or Venrob who had been almost lynched yesterday? Also same to Edo why did you not try to investigate someone who made sense like Om or Venrob? And then vote me even though you did not get a result due to being jailed?


Something is not adding up here.

Pedit

I could go for that


VOTE: No Lynch

[RachMarie]

bah I did vote for Om in the same post Edo look at what you quoted. However I think a NL might help town more right now.

[RachMarie]

huh WTF does that mean Om?

[RachMarie]

If it is MYLO today we have to make sure we nail scum or town loses.

[RachMarie]

@ Rev fat chance lol.

Sorry I am not buying it Venrob, I really need more. If you are vengeful who will you venge on?

[RachMarie]

I see I question this sudden claim change and that somehow makes me scum WTF? Doesm't anyone else find the switch from Oh yeah I am definitely VT to oops I lied-- I am really the N3 Vig fishy? And who gave the push to oh let us lynch anyway while in MYLO

I do not want to see us mislynch today pure and simple. Which is why I was supporting a NL on MYLO duh. I was trying to find out because I do not believe his sudden change of claim.

[RachMarie]

Good for you mod after all school is important ♥

If we NL and jail Venrob, I think that might help us crack the scum. I had no intention of voting for Venrob, I just do not trust him, the last thing I would want is him lynched and allowed to venge kill tonight if he really is an N3 venge. I want him rendered unable to use his power, duh.

The reason I wanted to see who he would venge kill was just in case he got NKed, scum are doing too good a job here and we need to figure out who they are and stop lynching our own.

[RachMarie]

great going guys I am town, I was hoping to live to be the nk since for whatever reason the scum are not nking PRs, I think they are doing it because some of the PRs are scum and they don't want ya all to know yet which are which..

Town you need to get your act together fast....

@ Mod is there a dead thread?

[RachMarie]

And yes jail Venrob I still have my doubts about him.

[RachMarie]

Also someone do a VCA of each lynch and find the common denominators please since I wont have a chance to. There be scum on my wagon for sure.

[RachMarie]

Gods I should have picked Doc even though I get tired of being a Doc Magnet (I get picked as Doc far too often based to be statistically viable.) I would have been able to help and probably not got lynched. (And then I would have still been around to lynch TAM or SAD) Or if peeps had listened to me earlier about Siv....

Oh well c'est la vie. And Scum earned the win gj guys.

And as I said in the dead thread big KUDOS to Bitmap for modding this setup, it is not an easy one.

Om I would love to kick you in the butt I know you can do better than this Still ♥ you.