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In post 429, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:hey, majiffy and mine's account has been activated!
will be using this one from now on
looking for an avatar
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In post 396, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 392, pirate mollie wrote:so does hd's cos he is basically trying to meta me on meta he has but somehow is managing to ignore.
Bullshit.
I made one off-hand comment about what I remember of you without even putting that much stock into it; that's not a meta read.
this honestly seems reactionary and genuinely town, btw
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In post 518, zabriel wrote:Mollie's been correctly lynched as scum before. This is getting silly.
yep, and did you happen to look at the game where both of those took place? one was audio so I cannot blame you for not wanting to listen to that but one was where I subbed in and hd was an impetus for that lynch. which is why I am really starting to think he is scum. LIKE FOR REALZ.
he has more meta on me than wisdom or fuzzy and yet he is pushing for a weak case.
wisdom is matching his town meta down to syntax which is not easy to do, hence the town read. if he is scum then omg.
I think it is hd and fuzzyqueen, those were the 2 who stood out in the beginning but I am soooooooooooooo less than thrilled with kmd prod dodging for the sake of prod dodging. he is not doing shit.
pretty sure slimer is town. I wanted majiffy to get a read on him but we haven't really talked about this game a little bit, I am waiting for him to be get around to us actually hydra-ing. I need an outside opinion on prohawk and DO.
also slimer I think I might know what you are trying to do.
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In post 525, zabriel wrote:The first game that I noticed was http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=275
I read the notes and up to when people started to get suspicious of Mollie. Maybe it was just knowing she'd flip scum, but I felt she was fairly obv in Zombie Attack.
see, people have said this and I don't get it but I am willing to believe that it is possible especially since I freaking hate playing scum and I feel it has got to show on some level. I was all about setting up my partner in that game.
what is weird is DO won't even look at this but is trying to push a really weird case where I can't be read and so therefore lynched when it is right there in my wiki. it is like he is banking on my unlikability, which is a scummy thing to do IMO.
zab, will you plz vote hd with me? I really do think he is scum. or DO.
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In post 526, Disturbed_One wrote:I read her as completely the same from this game to that game. Maybe I'm a bad judge, I can't really see much of a difference. If you have any specifics on what exactly is any more scummy about her than this game, I'd be happy to hear them.
In any case, you gave me the game so I guess I'm fine with keeping Mollie around.
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In post 18, pirate mollie wrote:in other news I just recently learned that N is a guy, I thought he was a girl all of this time
Told you.
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In post 286, Wisdom wrote:I have no work to do - it's your job as a townie to meta the others. I have done my research and can tell when someone plays to their meta - you should do yours. Even providing a game is too much, you should normally find it on your own.
This is stupid - if you're going to use meta to dismantle an attack, providing the game is not "too much", it's completely necessary. However, once that game has been provided, it isindeedthe responsibility of the other player to check the facts.
So basically, you're both retarded.
In post 486, mcqueen wrote:Beauty, can I have a link to at least 1 Town and 1 Scum game?
>Find a Majiffy post
>Click the Meta Links
>Recent scum and town games are both highly likely to have Mollie + Majiffy in them. None that have a Mollie-scum, though, IIRC.
In post 493, Disturbed_One wrote:[Majiffy]'s also not impossible to read, just highly difficult to read. I consider an anti-town playstyle, like the ones Mollie and theslimer3 use, to be an impossible to read playstyle.
> Does all the things you consider anti-town that Mollie does
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In post 552, Majiffy wrote:Because you're blatantly sucking up to me. Why?
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Fuzzy is the primary scumbutt there.
McQueen's vote of Wisdom and subsequent complete lack of providing anything whatsoever that resembles reasoning is either a ballsy WIFOM as scum - which would be commendable, and hats-off to that - or just complete idiot VI. And that'll need some further posting to discern.-
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In post 581, Disturbed_One wrote:In post 552, Majiffy wrote:Because you're blatantly sucking up to me. Why?
You better explain this one. How is what I said "sucking up"?
Or are you seriously trying to compare your play to Mollie's?
Technically,were the one comparing my play to Mollie's. And you were sucking up by advocating a lynch on Mollie for reasons that are very much present in my own play, whilst still saying I shouldn't be lynched.you
In post 583, Disturbed_One wrote:Explain why you think Wisdom is town. I think exactly the opposite.
Try reading the thread;
In post 567, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Slimer - I don't see scum motivation in his posts and the majority of his actions. Town motivation easily explains nearly everything, save for a few votes I don't particularly agree with.-
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In post 599, Majiffy wrote:Mcqueen your answers are unsatisfactory re: Wisdom.
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Haven't talked to Mollie.
CF Riot is town as fuck, but his slot was already town so that doesn't help me much.
In post 665, Disturbed_One wrote:I wasn't making a comparison. I was using your play as an example of a difficult player to read.
As a comparison with Mollie's play.
In post 665, Disturbed_One wrote:I do not actually agree that your play is similar and am not comparing your play to Mollie's. I am surprised you thought I was.
The thing you're calling Mollie out for is something I frequently do regardless of alignment - insult other players.
In post 665, Disturbed_One wrote:
Only you could have the gall to tell me to read the thread when at least a page or two is formed every time I log on. Not using that as an excuse, just saying.
I reckon the illiterate should not attempt for the papacy.
In post 665, Disturbed_One wrote:
That said, is that really your best explanation? Come now, I think you can do better than that. That's not at all a very specific explanation. I've seen you go through an entire ISO to attempt to get me mislynched in the game I played with you, yet this is how you explain a town-read? With two sentences and no coherent conclusion?
Really? I put in a different amount of effort in explaining a town read than I do into getting a player lynched I think is scum? Those things are so similar by their very nature! Say it ain't so!
Also - interesting use of the word mislynch. Was I scum in that game? Irequirean answer to this in your next post.
In post 683, Disturbed_One wrote:But fuzzybutternut or mcqueen are good bets.
>Same slot
You reallyaren'treading the game, are you?
In post 729, mcqueen wrote:I'm not liking the hydra. You two are all but the same, you replace in for a side of your hydra, I don't think it should have been allowed.
I'm not actually sure what you're trying to say here. I do like that you're the first person to take a stand re: this slot after soloMollie.-
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In post 734, Disturbed_One wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but my argument is actually about how I think Mollie is not adequately explaining her stances on players such as HD, simply calling them "stupid" as her primary argument. While you're as equally into insulting other players, I don't believe you hide behind your insults over your arguments. I've always felt you have very clear arguments (with the exception of this game, though). You insult players, but you do not hide behind those insults to make your points.
I don't feel you've adequately proven that she's hiding her stances behind insults beyond the argument that she is, indeed, using insults.
In post 734, Disturbed_One wrote:and I'm actually hunting scum. I reckon you should be doing the same thing, how's that sound?
Tell me whom the scum are, and why.
In post 734, Disturbed_One wrote:Yes, you were scum. I'm referring to the newbie game where you and Robo were the scum team. Ring a bell? You posted one of the most in-depth cases I've ever seen on this site in an attempt to mislynch me. I fondly remember you failed in doing so.
So your issue with me is that I'm not playing the same way I play as scum. Wouldn't that make me town?
In post 734, Disturbed_One wrote:
That was a mistake and a pretty bad one at that. However, that's already been addressed. I can't but help think you're the one not actually reading the game, seeing as you missed that.
I didn't miss anything, I just left it in the post because I like to be a ... how do you put it? Oh yes;
In post 734, Disturbed_One wrote: an insufferable curmudgeon-
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In post 734, Disturbed_One wrote:In post 733, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
As a comparison with Mollie's play.
The thing you're calling Mollie out for is something I frequently do regardless of alignment - insult other players.
I reckon the illiterate should not attempt for the papacy.
Really? I put in a different amount of effort in explaining a town read than I do into getting a player lynched I think is scum? Those things are so similar by their very nature! Say it ain't so!
Also - interesting use of the word mislynch. Was I scum in that game? Irequirean answer to this in your next post.
>Same slot
You reallyaren'treading the game, are you?
You insult other players? I had no idea.
Correct me if I'm wrong,but my argument is actually about how I think Mollie is not adequately explaining her stances on players such as HD, simply calling them "stupid" as her primary argument.While you're as equally into insulting other players, I don't believe you hide behind your insults over your arguments. I've always felt you have very clear arguments (with the exception of this game, though). You insult players, but you do not hide behind those insults to make your points.
Feel to agree or disagree on that, that's just my take on it.
Oh, I'm illiterate, eh? Huh, that's interesting. Last I checked, I've read through every page of this game (some more than once) and I'm actually hunting scum. I reckon you should be doing the same thing, how's that sound?
Yes, you were scum. I'm referring to the newbie game where you and Robo were the scum team. Ring a bell? You posted one of the most in-depth cases I've ever seen on this site in an attempt to mislynch me. I fondly remember you failed in doing so.
That was a mistake and a pretty bad one at that. However, that's already been addressed. I can't but help think you're the one not actually reading the game, seeing as you missed that.
Unless you're just doing everything in your power to be an insufferable curmudgeon, which is definitely not beyond you.
erm, wrt bold
I said hd's argument was dumb, not him, especially since he had a baseline for play in a game where he lynched me as scum. I dispelled this argument already, which you ignored but only to bring it back up and push it? freaking A, lol
why can we not lynch DO right now
VOTE: DO
I think cfriot looks town and so does mcqueen
and slimer
let's be friends
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In post 742, Wisdom wrote:Why is mcqueen town, mollie?
cos he is town flailing like how are you missing this shit-
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In post 743, Disturbed_One wrote:
Her logic for HD consisted of "he's an idiot." Not very clear cut reasoning, if you ask me. Then again, you are you. That's probably all the reasoning you need.
Read the thread and you will see who I think is scum and why. You really are lazy this game, aren't you?
I don't really see why you'd be any more or less lazy depending on alignment.
Show me quotes regarding 1 and 2. I'm asking you to evince your statements, you don't respond by saying "god ur lazy y dont u go look".
And you made a meta argument in regards to a disparity you perceived. If you don't see why I'd be more or less lazy based on alignment, why bring up the meta argument to begin with?
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In post 746, Wisdom wrote:I don't see that as town flailing. It looks like an act.
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In post 747, Disturbed_One wrote:In post 741, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
erm, wrt bold
I said hd's argument was dumb, not him, especially since he had a baseline for play in a game where he lynched me as scum. I dispelled this argument already, which you ignored but only to bring it back up and push it? freaking A, lol
why can we not lynch DO right now
VOTE: DO
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That doesn't at all address my accusation, actually, or the point behind it.
Instead of actually making arguments, you dismiss arguments and call them "dumb" and use that as your only evidence for their dismissal.
Also, you want to lynch me based on that? You've got to be kidding me.
Explain how I'm "pushing" anything. Am I voting you? No, I'm not. To be fair, I can see the difference between you calling a player dumb and calling an argument dumb. But that difference isn't great enough to seriously accuse me over it.
Your logic doesn't even make sense here. Do you think I'm deliberately misrepresenting you or something?
wrt the bold
1. erm, no. you just didn't address it. what hd was saying what was scummy about my posting was not beyond his sphere of reference to my actual scumplay. I called that dumb cos he actually has a point of reference.
wrt evething else
2. yes, I want to lynch you.
3. you don't have to place a vote in order to push for a "scumread" later in the game. scum can breadcrumb for later reads and follow the argument for consistency. it is how scum can mask as town. from my perspective, this is what you are doing.
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In post 754, Disturbed_One wrote:I might be more inclined to respond in the normal fashion, were I not being condescendingly reminded to read the thread, when that's what I've been fucking doing this whole game.
I'd be more inclined to not be condescending if you weren't an idiot.
In post 754, Disturbed_One wrote:Regarding Mollie, it's been proven she's readable. I don't really have anything to prove, I'm just explaining how I wasn't sucking up. Perhaps this has put you under the impression that I have a quarrel with Mollie, I do not. Even if her recent vote is terrible, she's not a scum read for me.
You're retroactively trying to cover up with this. At the time of the sucking-up-in-question, you were still harping on the PL-Mollie-for-insults case.
In post 754, Disturbed_One wrote:
The meta argument was really in reply to your snide remark of how you presumed I didn't read the thread. My argument for why I found you scummy was that I felt your reasoning regarding Wisdom didn't seem very genuine. I don't really wish to pursue the point further for now, but that doesn't mean I'm writing you off as town just yet, either.
Didn't seem genuine? I don't recall you saying anything about genuinity before... pretty sure it was "lol that's all? last time when u wer da scumz it was lyke pages to mislynch me!"
By the by, you haven't actually addressed the following disparities in these two situations;
1) You're calling me scum for not doing something I did as scum
2) Your argument about what I should be doing references an attempt to lynch; my situation with Wisdom is merely stating reasons for atown read. Thus, they're two wholly different situations entirely.
I don't think you want to pursue the pointbecause you don't have one, and you're slowly starting to realize that.
In post 753, CF Riot wrote:Someone other than D_O tell me why I should have a townread on HD.
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In post 757, Disturbed_One wrote:I don't know what "wrt" means, if you're looking for a response based on that, you will need to elaborate.
1. If this is a meta issue, I don't normally play by meta. (Though this game has forced me to make some meta arguments.) I don't really understand your point here. I think you're saying you're using your own meta to rebuke HD's point. Do I understand that correctly?
okay well weird. cos I thought you were asking other players if they had meta on me as being readable. and on slimer too.
2. Then you are either a completely irrational person or scum. What you're saying doesn't add up, there's no logic behind lynching me based on your reasoning.
^^^hd partner spotted
3. Prove it.
4. Maybe I have epically failed. But that doesn't make scum.
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In post 761, Disturbed_One wrote:If this is going to come down to personal attacks, I don't want to play this game anymore. It's not fun for me. I've had enough of Majiffy's attitude, I don't deserve to be lectured or have my intelligence insulted.
@ Mod: please replace me. I'm sorry to bail on you like so many others, but I just do not feel comfortable playing this game anymore.
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In post 764, ProHawk wrote:Majiffy's dumb insults
Hey, man, that's not nice. My insults are witty and sharp-tongued.-
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In post 785, Majiffy wrote:Ok if you ever make another post without fucking line breaks I will find you and murder you.
So these show up in ISO.
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In post 801, Disturbed_One wrote:As far as the "sucking up" goes, that's not at all what I was doing. Why would I, anyway? Explain what I would have to gain by doing so.
Keeping me at bay. Why are you asking for scum motivation for buddying? Jesus you're getting desperate.
In post 801, Disturbed_One wrote:
The difference between you and Mollie is that Mollie insults the logic of a player to make her point. You do so just to be a jerk. Mollie's posts generally seem void of content to me.
There's many times I insult the logic of a player to make a point. In fact, a lot of the time thatthe point.is
In post 801, Disturbed_One wrote:
My main problem with her was that I felt she could use her mannerisms to disguise her alignment. I made a reasonable request and it has been honored. The only person who is "harping" on anything is you, Majiffy, for continuing to question a position that is no longer relevant anymore.
Because you keep trying to handwave it away, and that's scummy as fuck. "Yes, I did these scummy things, but I'm not doing them anymore, so let's not talk about them!". No.
In post 801, Disturbed_One wrote:
I wasn't going to pursue the point with you, but then I replaced back in and realized that you've been really working on trying to find a way to incriminate me. You did the same thing in the last game I played with you, and I believe this is because you find me to be an easy target. Your statement that you believe me to be an idiot confirms you would think I'm an easy target as scum.
If I put a lot of effort into trying to get you mislynched before and failed, what makes you think I would think of you as an easy target?
In post 801, Disturbed_One wrote:
I also want to address the last point, because there's no logic behind it. I believe too strongly in my poor logic? That doesn't even make sense. If I'm such an idiot, than I wouldn't be using poor logic to fool anyone. I'd be using poor logic merely because I don't know any better. That's not indicative of my alignment at all.
That wasn't about you, that was about HD.
In post 801, Disturbed_One wrote:
I don't like Majiffy as a person, but as a player he makes nothing but sense. This stance does not make sense coming from him, he's too reasonable to actually believe I could be scum just based on poor logic.
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But it doesn't matter what I think. This is what Majiffy thinks, and what Majiffy is thinking simply does not add up.
UNVOTE: mcqueen
VOTE: BeautyAndTheBest
Simply doesn't add up because you're an idiot, yeah.
You also missed the meat-and-potatoes of the post you quoted to go off on your idiotic little wall rant.
In post 756, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
By the by, you haven't actually addressed the following disparities in these two situations;
1) You're calling me scum for not doing something I did as scum
2) Your argument about what I should be doing references an attempt to lynch; my situation with Wisdom is merely stating reasons for atown read. Thus, they're two wholly different situations entirely.
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In order to refute that, one should provide a post that is not explained with any semblance of town motivation. Which, if you have a scum read on a player, should be easy to provide.
This game has a minority of scum players. You need to make acasefor why a player is scum, and the towns are POE'd. If you want to go the opposite way and POE the scum team, then yes, a town case for each player is necessary. I am not, however, taking the latter course of action. So my reasoning doesn't need any elaboration.-
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okay so you think my posts are...contentless? seriously? then you will no problem providing 3 posts that are....contentless.
also your request wasn't exactly reasonable, you were asking other players to do your work for you when all you had to do was move your cursor of the wiki box under my avatar and click it and you would have seen that I was lynched as scum in both games, so obviously I can be read by some people. I am fucking sick of you putting me down so that you can make yourself better, I think your playstyle sucks cos it is quite obvious you have no fucking clue as to what you are doing and if you replaced out it would make my day cos maybe someone who is not a total fucking idiot can take over that slot and maybe we can finally get a read on it instead the fucking dramarama crap that so far has been the only thing to come out of it.
as for you being an easy lynch, that is bullshit I seriously want you lynched like the idea of it makes mewet, that's how bad I want it. do you know who is an easy lynch? zab. it seems like he gets lynched in every game I play with him. ask him he will probably say yes.
and yes, you can now I say I am being directly insulting, the whole reason I asked to hydra with majiffy was cos I didn't want to lose my temper and shit up N's game and ruin it for the other players. you insulted me by suggesting that I shitty enough player to deserve to be policy lynched on d1. you can call me a cunt, a whore, a bitch, an idiot whatever but insult my gameplay I have played probably over 100 games by now on 8 different sites. I am not the best player but I am not a shit player and that is essentially what you are calling me so yeah, I am pretty insulted.
sorry guys I really was trying to prevent my imminent meltdown but I am sick of him putting me down.-
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also prohawk I think majiffy and I are doing fine with our hydra, I am amzed we are doing as well as we are usually we disagree on nearly everything and fight over who gets to be in charge. but we do have 2 distinct personalities and neither of us can really be anything other than what we are.
the mcqueen lynch is a bad one and I really hope that the people on that wagon will get off of it cos what he showed was town flail not scum flail. wisdom plz trust me in this.
also siv gets super duper lurky as scum so I would be fine with his lynch.
kmd I was getting ready to go after you but I liked your post and agree with some of your reads. it is good to see you finally get your head in the game.-
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In post 834, mcqueen wrote:D_O seems like Town now.
Wisdom is still shithead Scum.
Mollie seems Town, Majiffy an asshole.
Human Destroyer is annoying as fuck, don't really care what he is.
CF seems Town.
All the other players make no impression on me.
I don't think wisdom is scum, too many of his posts come from a town POV.
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In post 858, CF Riot wrote:I like how everyone uses "Hint:..." when they want to be condescending now.
Siv asked to be replaced and Kmd admitted his head really isn't in the game, so I'm of the complete opposite opinion here. Also, if I end up calling you scum at some point this game, this is the post where it started.In post 846, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:siv gets super duper lurky as scum so I would be fine with his lynch.
kmd I was getting ready to go after you but I liked your post and agree with some of your reads. it is good to see you finally get your head in the game.
Mitillos, I agree with HD's points. There was something else you did too. I don't remember.
in my overall pissiness I forgot that siv had asked to be replaced out.
you are going to have to walk me through this
kmd said his head wasn't in the game but then he made this wall:
In post 610, Kmd4390 wrote:Ok I'm gonna read 10 pages or so. By thursdayish I should be caught up completely unless you guys post a ton.
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Tigerzone didn't answer my question from page 1. I asked why he'd policy lynch zab over some of the other players on the list. Next, my issue is that the zab-hate is his only focus in his first few posts. This is one of two things. A genuine vendetta that is bigger than this game to him which would be null OR scum who has trouble grasping games where they already know everyones alignment and needs something to hold on to. Unfortunately, tigerzone isn't here for me to ask about his experience with zab. Zab, can you tell me about your experience with tigerzone? Is there anything that may have caused him to strongly dislike you?
Post 34 by siv looks like someone trying not to look scummy. Not sure why. Just a vibe I get.
44 by tigerzone kind of looks like the second scenario I mentioned. He doesn't seem to have a reason to policy lynch. "Thought it'd be fun". Come on now...
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Post 51 by Siv gives me that same vibe. He's saying things that sound all protown, but without really applying it or committing to any reads or anything. It's like he's saying things just because he thinks they sound good.
Human, I see where you are coming from on tigerzone up until the part where you say he is trying to policy lynch zab before he does anything to deprive the town of information. Two things. One, does tigerzone seem smart enough to do that? Two, is it really THAT beneficial for scum to deprive town of info on one player they see as a lurker to the point where they are going to make it their only focus like that? The scum intent might be there on tigerzone (although the more I read, the less I think this) but not for this. You are stretching.
Mollie posted without responding to my vote. Did you think it was a joke?
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Post 91. Wisdom. How exactly do you "know" there is no scum motivation in tigerzone's post? You know he's town?<- fuzzy already asked
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Slimer is town.
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Mit, coming up with and idea and agreeing with it are NOT the same at all. Slimer probably looked at the game quick, saw what he saw, and came up with his idea. Human looked at the idea and decided whether or nopport or to support it. He didn't come up with it and unlike slimer, he has to either ignore it and look bad or post in support of it or against it. If slimer is scum who sees the idea and doesn't like it, he doesn't have to take a stance. He can just hope it never comes up.
Based on 136, it's not possible to have a read on tigerzone. He isn't playing the game. Just trying to ruin it. *sigh* that's annoying.
Prohawk, so mollie is scum for having a scum read on human? Also why would being scum make you forget who you are voting?
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Uh. Prohawk/wisdom, mollie isn't a VI and could never get away with acting like one. She makes some mistakes here and there and might forget some things, but she's not dumb.
The last time I played with prohawk, he looked obvtown (although some people disagreed). He doesn't look that way here.
Yeah what zab said. Mollie liking jelly's push on her is weird. It's like she wants to look town because scum wouldn't do that.
I don't like siv's jump on tigerzone. Prohawk looks genuinely upset with tiger (null) but siv is just really looking opportunistic with that vote.
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The puck's vote on tiger looks opportunistic as well. And saying that jelly replaced out because he's tiger's buddy is just as bad.
And disturbed places another bad vote on tiger. I'm now convinced that tiger is town and two scum can be found in siv/puck/disturbed.
Human, why is disturbed town?
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Wisdom, I took mollie calling prohawk scum to be a scum read. Not sure what you are seeing there that I'm not.
Ok 9 pages is all I can do today. My biggest fead is that I have too many scum reads. Most aren't very strong reads though.
unvote, vote siveure
and to me it looks like he is at least trying to get his head in the game. how am I wrong, here.-
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