Open 485: Polygamist Mafia - GAME OVER

[Klick]

RVS over. VOTE: Ms Marangal

She has no reason to post that in-thread, and likely would have already posted it in her QT if she was town. It's a fail attempt to gain town points by lackadaisically claiming her partner.

On that note, I don't think we should claim lovers immediately.

PEdit: Sorry Fu.

[Klick]

The only way I can see that coming out of town is if she was the last to confirm. Correct me if this is the case.

[Klick]

Keyblade, RVS is over. Why did you ignore my post?

[Klick]

Kay never mind, marangal's pretty obviously town. UNVOTE:

However, one of {Keyblade, VL} is scum for completely ignoring the discussion.

VOTE: Keyblade

[Klick]

The fact that the Marangal/leviathan pair is already obviously town and the fact that Keyblade/VL completely ignored discussion already taking place.

[Klick]

Waiting stalls things. You have to have substance early in order to progress.

I know that finding scum within the first few players is lower, but:

1. This game is 1/3 scum. It's statistically likely that a scum player has posted.
2. This will give people coming into the game something to talk about.

I like fferyllt for town for post #21. Can't really explain why, but it feels really town-motivated.

[Klick]

Your concern of Levi is genuine, and that post was made after I checked my QT and saw it was locked.

PEdit: What is the second part referencing?

[Klick]

Keyblade, can you link me to a scum game of yours?

[Klick]

Ah, okay. Interesting.

[Klick]

@Fu:

Your concern of Levi is genuine, and that post was made after I checked my QT and saw it was locked.

This is the post in which my townread of Marangal is summed up. Mostly the part about her knowing that the QTs being locked without it ever being explicitly stated anywhere.

[Klick]

So let's explain the scenario. I woke up at 4 in the morning and couldn't go back to sleep. I skimmed through, like, half of the wall posts that aren't as important right now (particularly orc's posts) and found one post worth commenting on.

Because, while I'm not exactly thrilled with FFertyl's response to you, it didn't give me the adverse reaction yours had to his. at that point, you, TAM and ffertyl were both leaning scum, my read on you slightly stronger then my read on him.

I doubt that scum would bus in this set-up,

so I went after you. TAM is scummy, though I can't decide who's the scummier one between the two of you. TAM is coming off as a tad bit opportunistic, and his passiveness bothers me, while you seem incredibly jumpy to everything.

This is an actual thought that I don't see scum-Marangal posting, so more townpoints for her.

We really need to get Levi replaced with, like, Regfan or UberNinja.

[Klick]

Marangal, let's assume Orc is town. Who are your other scum suspects?

[Klick]

By the way, Levi, that wasn't a stab at you. That was just a joke about getting some awesome player to replace in as confirmed town.

[Klick]

@Nekoko:

Orc is actually a stronger townread than Marangal/Levi.

[Klick]

Hi Orc ^.^

[Klick]

@Fu:

Your concern of Levi is genuine, and that post was made after I checked my QT and saw it was locked.

This is the post in which my townread of Marangal is summed up. Mostly the part about her knowing that the QTs being locked without it ever being explicitly stated anywhere.

Do you still think this was a good basis for a townread?

Yup.

@Nekoko:

Orc is actually a stronger townread than Marangal/Levi.

You haven't really explained why you feel pretty strongly that Orc is town right now.

Okay.

[Klick]

You mean, town or scum? I'm leaning town right now, not too sure though.

[Klick]

Appreciate the thought, but it's much more beneficial to do this in late D1/early D2 so that each player can make their own impression before being paired up.

I like your entrance into the game, though. Keep it up.

[Klick]

Actually, I feel pretty good about my reads at this point. I wouldn't have a problem myself with claiming now, but I think we should all feel pretty good about at least a few singular reads before we do.

Right now, I think I have scum pegged between TAM, FuDuzn, KBW, Messiah, and Nekoko.

[Klick]

Scratch that, I was wrong about something.

[Klick]

Yeah, actually, I want to see a few claims now.

[Klick]

Everyone who wants claims now, say, "Aye."

Aye.

[Klick]

FuDuzn, I would like to hear your opinion of Orc before a claim.

[Klick]

That's a town pair.

[Klick]

I think Nekoko/VL could be a scum pair.

/dodge

[Klick]

Do you want me to claim my lover now?

[Klick]

PoE.

And I'm orc's lover.

[Klick]

As I said, PoE. Every lover pair I've heard so far is really town except for theirs.

[Klick]

As I said, PoE. Every lover pair I've heard so far is really town except for theirs.

This is not a reason.

Yes it is.

[Klick]

That is reasoning for why they could be a scum pair, is it not?

I know me/Orc are town
I feel that you/ff and Levi/Marangal are town

Therefore, the Nekoko/VL pair has a 66% chance of being scum.

[Klick]

My reads on them individually were both null. The fact that they are partners when there are pairs that look half-town is what gives them a chance of being scum. Of course it could be coincidence, but still.

[Klick]

Hmmm... Thinking...

I'm kinda wishing that JK was here, given he had stated that he thought Klick was town, yet didn't agree with what he had stated. I was under the impression that he was a lover with klick, though with the claims, it's revealed that he was a lover with Ffertyl... though that pair doesn't seem to match up very well either because, in my mind that would make

Klick, Sven, Ff, and Orci the mafia lovers. while FF and Orci could have possibly been bussing each other so that no one else would draw the conclusion that they are lovers, though they had no intent on placing the vote on each other.

By this, do you mean you thought it was me/Sven as Mafia Lovers and ff/Orc as Mafia Lovers?

[Klick]

I really think any of the three not-obvious-town teams would be a good vote.

However, I lean towards voting either Fu/Messiah or jmo/VL. Fu/Messiah because they feel the scummiest, but jmo/VL because I see a possibility of them being partnered with a townier team.

[Klick]

Mixed games. If Nekoko was actually doing something, that probably wouldn't have happened.

[Klick]

It's someone in an ongoing game. As such, I'm not discussing it further.

[Klick]

I actually really like the call-out thing.

[Klick]

VOTE: FuDuzn

I now support this vote the most.

[Klick]

Unless we're right about both teams, I think splitting wagons will just lead to a D1 mislynch and WIFOM.

[Klick]

@levi: What's the most likely scumteam to you right now?

[Klick]

Via Process of Elimination, FuDuzn and Messiah have to be partners.

I actually think it's obviously FuDuzn-Messiah-TAM-KBW at this point.

[Klick]

Yes Messiah is my lover.

And Klick, I guess the streak continues? You seem to always try to lead as scum, and no real substance why, but I can tell Klick doesn't really feel I am scum.

Yeah, no. This is retarded.

I've made it incredibly obvious that I see Marangal as town.
Sven's opening post was really good, and fferyllt has been pro-town all game.
fferyllt's point on VL is good and means that her lover pair is probably town.

Which leaves you/Messiah and TAM/KBW. And reading my posts, there's no way this wasn't clear.

@orc: I'm willing to lynch them if FuDuzn/Messiah doesn't come around for some reason. KBW is the actual wagon, though. And I'm pretty sure FuDuzn is scum.

[Klick]

I have townreads on literally every pair but his and TAM's. The only possible team that doesn't include him is VL/Nekoko and TAM/Keyblade, and that's neglecting my townread on VL. Meanwhile, FuDuzn is flailing.

PEdit: FuDuzn, a KBW lynch is a TAM lynch.

[Klick]

And I have a different strategy for every scum game in order to not be caught by meta.

[Klick]

?

[Klick]

@FuDuzn: If you're town, and I'm town, who's scum?

[Klick]

Fu just said there was a chance of Messiah being scum.

GG

[Klick]

But how does that make any sense?

[Klick]

He is listing his town reads, what about it?

Then what was it in response to?

[Klick]

I ask him who scum are if we're town, and he gives a town list?

Again, that makes no sense.

[Klick]

Okay, I'm really confused now.

[Klick]

VOTE: KBW

[Klick]

FuDuzn's drunk posts are making me feel unsure.

[Klick]

Yeah, pretty sure. Don't think he'd lie about it, and don't think he'd be able to fake it this well.

[Klick]

I, on the other hand, am perfectly comfortable with a lynch, as I feel that it could easily end the game.

Pretty sure KBW's at L-2.

[Klick]

The thing is, this game has been basically sealed FMPOV since the claims. The Marangal/Levi and fferyllt/Sven pairs are both incredibly obvious town, and that leaves one more town pair and two lynches.

PEdit: He was drunk. I thought it was ballsy, but it's impossible to read.

[Klick]

Ms marangal, who are you 2 teams most likely to be town?

I would have to read, and have a working brain... but, off the top of my head the voodoo/Nekoko, and Messiah/Fuduzn Pair. don't ask for reason, cuz I won't be able to give one...

wut

[Klick]

Yeah, pretty sure. Don't think he'd lie about it, and don't think he'd be able to fake it this well.

He was spelling damn well for drunkposts. Even player names.

But I really don't think FuDuzn would lie about being drunk in a Mafia game, just because of integrity.

Either way, I really don't have a problem with lynching him either. TAM/KBW feels like the most surefire lynch, though.

[Klick]

And why do they need to post, exactly?

Genuine question.

[Klick]

OOC: I'm confused as to why the Lovers are all acting like each other.

[Klick]

See posts like that are troublesome orc because they show no willingness to input new data.

Except we both feel that we don't need any more information to win the game.

[Klick]

Fine fine, klick and orc are the kids jumping up and down asking for money to the ride.

we get it, the line isnt moving fast enough.

Yes, this is pretty much exactly it. Especially considering we're both "kids," if I remember correctly.

[Klick]

Here, lets logic through this, then.

fferyllt, please explain to me how waiting any longer will increase the town's chances of winning.

[Klick]

I don't think Marangal having terribad reads negates her towniness from earlier in the game.

[Klick]

@fferyllt: I'm 15, but note that I've actually been playing on this site since February of '11.

[Klick]

@fferyllt: I'm 15, but note that I've actually been playing on this site since February of '11.

If you have been playing that long, you have probably seen scum score big in a mass claim or other mechanic and wind up embedded in the town core before.

Yeah, but it's both rare and usually with experienced players.

[Klick]

I suggest TAM

[Klick]

Marangal, why are fferyllt/Sven not town?

Sven, pretty sure Marangal is also town because she thought the Mafia had lover pairs.

[Klick]

If all three of you voted KBW we could just end it now

[Klick]

Guys isn't mafia fun really early in the morning

[Klick]

It's my most likely one, but the next would be TAM-KBW-VL-Nekoko.

[Klick]

Simple question: Why not?

[Klick]

You mean TAM/KBW?

And if FuDuzn is scum, TAM is still scum.

[Klick]

I have an idea!

Vote TAM

[Klick]

Fine. But read this when you wake up -

fferyllt is incredibly obvious town because of her blatant town thought process in everything she's done tonight.
Sven can explain why Orc/I are town, because it's not classy to say why myself.
And you're town.

Therefore, there are only three lover pairs left. We have two lynches, which means we're guaranteed to hit scum with one of them.

[Klick]

See the problem is that Klick plays exactly the same whether town or scum, he is a good player.

I know I said he was scum, again reaction testing, but please do not jump to a conclusion that he is town so soon.

I have been on both sides with him, fun to watch as scum actually.

Actually, this isn't completely true. The thing similar with all of my games is that I attempt to play many different styles to fit the game, as both alignments. I'm also a bit rusty as far as scum play goes because I haven't played in awhile. In less than a day, I'll have a game as proof to this.

Also, the first two lines don't match up. Why would you reaction test me if I play exactly the same as either alignment?

[Klick]

Nah, TAM was after us.

[Klick]

In less than a day, I'll have a game as proof to this.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=26043

[Klick]

(I'm Juke)

[Klick]

orc, there's no chance in hell a Marangal/levi lynch will happen ever in this game. Or a fferyllt/Sven lynch, for that matter.

Nekoko/VL is a PoE town read. They are the only pair that I had/have no bad feelings towards.

Do you have any feelings towards them at all?

I'm now leaning towards lynching FuDuzn again, as I can see a Fu/Messiah/VL/Nekoko team with the Fu/Messiah pair wanting TAM voted.

@levi:

Who is your preferred vote? Since Marangal isn't listening, we need you, Sven, fferyllt, orc, me, and the remaining town pair to vote together for a majority.

[Klick]

I still prefer a FuDuzn lynch, especially now that he is pushing a Levi wagon. I really don't have a problem with a VL/Nekoko lynch though.

[Klick]

VOTE: Nekoko

@Sven: I'm offended. Been on the site for over two years, and I've never broken that rule.

@Nekoko: I'm pretty sure Marangal has a meta for not voting until she's confident.

[Klick]

(don't talk about ongoing games)

[Klick]

Guys, don't stop what's happening here, it's beautiful, but there's actually a really good reason for FuDuzn-scum.

[Klick]

Not really, because I want us all to be focused in one place.

[Klick]

But what don't you get?

[Klick]

It's not distracting, I'm just posting it there to state my opinion, and partially for my own memory.

[Klick]

Gawd, levi convince Marangal that we're town

Orc, why was Fu/Messiah/TAM/KBW unlikely again?

[Klick]

He's town.

What about that post is scummy?

Phoneposting, but I'm considering switching back to FuDuzn pending a response from Orc.

[Klick]

Actually, I've consistently pushed the fact that I think FuDuzn is scum, but no one supports that lynch.

[Klick]

VOTE: FuDuzn

fferyllt, you're now stuck on here. I won't accept "I was reaction testing we're really voting VL."

[Klick]

Fu's a hipster.

I'll get to it when I'm out of school (or possibly before), but basically, your thoughts contradict each other.

[Klick]

Also, this is stupid. Who are FuDuzn and I buddies with again? Klick and Orc, whom Klick and FuDu have been at each other's throats the entire game, including Klick trying to lynch FuDu the entire fucking time? Marangal and Levi, the pair that is universally townread by everyone but FuDu who was campaigning for their lynch until I asked him to compromise with me for today? Sven and Ffery, who are trying to derail the Nekoko/VL wagon onto us? VL/Nekoko, who we were just about to get lynched? TAM and KBW, who FuDuzn was entirely willing to lynch at Orcinus' behest and I was content to park my vote on for 20+ pages, even after the huge wagon had built up?

We ARE town, and if the town keeps their head up their asses like this we're probably going to lose.

VOTE: Sven

With that, I've voted every pair. I'm confirmed town, right?

VOTE: FuDuzn

[Klick]

What exactly stops a team with us and one of the other two pairs, besides us simply being town?

[Klick]

It's much simpler if the players are put in pairs, which you are neglecting.

[Klick]

Ugh

[Klick]

Because I still don't think Fu/TAM is impossible, especially since Messiah basically showed how they made it look like that with every possible pair.

[Klick]

Ugh

What is this in reference to?

You wanting to prolong the day.

I mean seriously, it's Nightless. It won't make a difference even if they flip town.

[Klick]

Ugh

What is this in reference to?

You wanting to prolong the day.

I mean seriously, it's Nightless. It won't make a difference even if they flip town.

big wtf broseph.

the longer we keep day 1 the more info we get.

-_-

I don't need any more info.

[Klick]

Yup, gg, you caught us. Guess we have to lynch FuDuzn now.

[Klick]

^^^^going against your win condition?

...

[Klick]

or were you just trying to be sarcastic? either way not smart move bro.

Obvious sarcasm.

[Klick]

This is hilarious.

[Klick]

Orc, you can hammer Fu now.

[Klick]

Pretty sure Orc unvoted to get VL to vote on purpose.

[Klick]

Marangal's posts here look really bad.

I will consider looking into it tomorrow. I don't feel as comfortable with the Marangal/Levi pair now, though. That still leaves a 2/3 chance, which is good.

Maybe it's time to actually logic through the wagon shit.

[Klick]

No. Marangal/Levi have townslipped far too often. Neither of them are experienced enough to pull it off this well.

We're lynching one of the two scummy pairs tomorrow.

[Klick]

Well, to be blunt, they aren't good enough players to pull this off. Sorry if this is offensive.

[Klick]

I have absolutely no idea what scum is doing because no pairing makes good sense to me at this point.

I still feel like it's TAM/VL because of townreads, but I'm still really confused.

I don't think thinking about this will help at all, really.

[Klick]

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

1: TAM
2: Nekoko

[Klick]

VOTE: TAM

[Klick]

If Levi's scum, it would be with TAM.

[Klick]

If Levi's scum, it would be with TAM.

why? because you think i'm preventing his lynch now? I'm preventing it because its too soon. if you still want to lynch him in a few days then I readily accept that and will even vote him. I have been saying it all game.

No, because you wouldn't care if you were scum with anyone else.

[Klick]

This game never happened.

[Klick]

Remember, this game never happened.