Open 486: Game Over

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: SafetyDance
because he deserves it.

[JohnnyFarrar]

So you don't find his vote valid?

[JohnnyFarrar]

What's a scrabblemount?

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: zachattack

am I scum kmd?

[JohnnyFarrar]

To poke at kmd

[JohnnyFarrar]

Hey I tried.

So where's the best vote right now?

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Johnny.

Providing reasons is dumb, amirite?

[JohnnyFarrar]

@Safety what's wrong with Whiskers' vote?

[JohnnyFarrar]

that doesn't answer MY question

[JohnnyFarrar]

Is anyone getting reads off of this setup spec? Because I'm not.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I sort of follow Hoops logic, but other than that I got nothing. If anything I just have a light scumread on those still lingering on it.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I still want to put my vote somewhere. I'm just not sharp enough to have a good choice right now.

[JohnnyFarrar]

You were the best vote at the time. Hoops has changed my mind.

I think I'll VOTE: fuzzy

[JohnnyFarrar]

@Hoopla, What has it helped you establish?

@zach, you were the only actual vote I could make. Now that you're a minor townread I'm lost

[JohnnyFarrar]

Have you played/modded a game with Safety in it Hoopla?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Eh, that post is null really. "Do Something" is basically encouraging others to discuss without actually doing anything yourself. My only thoughts on the setup have pretty much already been said by others.

Can I assume those who have not voted/talked about SafetyDance just have no opinion on him yet?

Also has everyone posted? I feel like the votecount is missing some names

[JohnnyFarrar]

That's acceptable I guess. Be careful of Whiskers though...

p-edit

@mod - could you include those who aren't voting in the VC?

Is that good?

[JohnnyFarrar]

@mod

That's kind of a mess

Example VC:

Person A (3): Person B, Person C, Person D
Person B (1): Person A

Not voting: (list of everyone else)

Here's an example from another game if my vagueness is less than helpful.

Aaand how about now?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I just grabbed a VC from my last game...?

Also what?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Have you ever played with Safety?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Yes. He overreacts. That's his thing. We almost lost a full day to it during my last game.

@mod

perfect. Thanks ^-^

[JohnnyFarrar]

He was town in my game. It's the one I linked in 161 if ya wanna look.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Hey look, Mafia. Nothing's happened? We'll soon change that maybe probably

[JohnnyFarrar]

Whiskers makes a convincing argument.

VOTE: Syryana

[JohnnyFarrar]

The sentiment so nice she says it twice.

[JohnnyFarrar]

@Syry, my sarcasm is hard to detect in text form. I'm just sheeping. (because I have nothing better to do without a thorough reread, which I don't have time for.)

P-edit: Really I'm just rubbish d1...

[JohnnyFarrar]

Hey, at least I'm not the only busy one.

Weekends = work for me. You'll get something late Sunday/early Monday.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Starting a read now in case you're interested

[JohnnyFarrar]

This is a catchup post. I'm just going to type every thought that enters my mind as I read (relevant or not), so forgive me if I repeat someone.

vote bojo

Opportunism.

Not a joke.

Only post of consequence on page 1. It bothered me at the time because "Opportunism" is a convenient thing to say on page one when everyone is eager to pounce on something. The reasons given on Page 2 also suggest that Whisker's vote was also bad, and Whiskers voted first. Yay scumread.

Hey I tried.

So where's the best vote right now?

This reads as opportunistic. Also why am I accused of this when:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: salamence

This happened?

1. Thinking I'd be that obvious is naive, but w/e.
2. Why wait until I poked at you to mention Hoopla's vote?

blahblahblah setup

Hoopla is hard to read.

fuzzy be quick to anger.

@Fuzzy,

how many games have you played?

Hoopla is the only player so far to establish a townread and explain it. Townreads come from town on page 4.

derpclaim on fuzzy. great.

Siv's townread on Syryanna is shaky at best, as many point out. His reaction is equally unfortunate. Tentative scumread depending on experience.

I remain a conversation topic.

Enter Safety reacting to only things that have his name on them. Looks familiar.

fuzzy votes with Safety on a townread? Ew.

"To not get lynched. That's both a town and a scum motivation." Oh goodness.

Page 11 is a looooota prod dodging. Gross. (Yes I'm aware I'm one of them.)

jmo's getting replaced. k.

Enter Human Destroyer, catchups are... interesting:
1. Explain the reads in 271
2. Gonna vote somebody waiting on a replacement? Kinda rude. Also what about this says scum?
3. Do you know what WIFOM is?

Jesus Whiskers. You killed page 12. I'm ignoring thinking about you because you're hard to read. Also asking to be Doc'd is bad form.

Enter Demon.
1.

Explain kmd.

So he thinks like you, therefore he's town? Eh.
2. fuzzy is not obvtown
3. I was going to ask if you minded that HD wasn't explaining his reads, but neither are you.
4. "{johnny, SD, siv, salamence, elyse} <- PRIORITY POOL (s->w)" <--- Have you mentioned ANY of those people?

Demon deserves votes.

Demon has votes.

(removed a vote on Demon in p-edit because no hammers right now)

p-edit: Well that escalated quickly...

I'd also like to know why Johnny isn't on HD's list of "good lynches", particularly when he calls Johnny "opportunistic".

You could say the same about Salamence and Remembering Sunday. Why pick out Johnny in particular?

This is a good question.

Also, intent to hammer.

pp-edit: Safety is like this always. He is a policy lynch at best, and right now we have a better wagon.

[JohnnyFarrar]

With experienced players like Hoops and Whiskers, WIFOM is healthy. We don't need townleader scum.

[JohnnyFarrar]

With experienced players like Hoops and Whiskers, WIFOM is healthy. We don't need townleader scum.

What, specifically, do you think is WIFOMish?

This:

I don't think scum-Siv would've stated out loud "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M LURKING OFF MY WAGON" because that defeats the entire strategic purpose of doing so as scum; it brings the attention back to you, whereas lurking would take the attention

off

of you. (Not saying it's a good move though, it's just not scummy)

You basically outright state that SDT isn't scummy for saying something blatantly and obviously scummy.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I don't wanna argue about it because it will get us nowhere, but the whole point is you could be reading that exactly how scumSDT wants you to.

[JohnnyFarrar]

You're good at talking Syry. Can you link me to a scum game of yours? One that you feel you did particularly well in?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I've just noticed that I have no reads on Elyse and Remembering Sunday.

ISO AWEIGH

[JohnnyFarrar]

Elyse is just sort of blah. Hasn't really done anything scummy or otherwise, just kind of going with the flow.

RS got caught in a SafetyDance spiral, not sure if town.

So yeah. blah.

[JohnnyFarrar]

GIMME A LINK, DANGIT

[JohnnyFarrar]

Huh. Well that happened. I'm hoping Demon's just lying because salt.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Sorry, I used a very local colloquialism. If you have salt or are salty, you're angry about losing or getting beaten.

Also YOU SHOULD GIVE ME A DAMN LINK TO ONE OF YOUR SCUM GAMES.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Well THAT sucks.

VOTE: Whiskers

Whiskers, I'm accusing you of asking to be Doc'd to make sure Hoopla was an open target.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Best vote 10/10 would read again.

You got bored of me and switched to SDT yesterday. What have I done since to renew your ire?

[JohnnyFarrar]

1. Hoopla was town and died. Sucks.
2. it's 9v2 unless one of the scum defected
3. I'll give you a list of reads if YOU LINK ME TO YOUR BEST SCUM GAME

[JohnnyFarrar]

*10v2 sorry, Edo was lying there are 12 alive.

Did I make a mistake? Please show me where, thanks.

[JohnnyFarrar]

in the OP it says there are 11 living players. Not sure who you left off but there should be 12.

Demon, Hoopla, SafetyDance.
Started with 14 -3 = 11

[JohnnyFarrar]

I can't read. Feel free to point and laugh. (I just assumed the red in the daystart was telling me demon died... again.)

So yeah that's nice.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Also nice shot Hoops.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I hadn't realized SD died and flipped scum.


Also is being wrong about remaining scum a scumtell? You'd think scum would know their own numbers.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Oh so you're voting me without explanation?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Well now I'm just annoyed. Why the backtrack?

[JohnnyFarrar]

*sigh*

Hey Elyse & Remembering Sunday, watcha doin?

@fuzzy why didn't you vote Demon?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Vote Elyse

Unexplained votes ftw.

[JohnnyFarrar]

You know, in the amount of time you've been asking for links to my scum game you could easily have gone and found it yourself. I've only been scum in one game. Open 481

Dammit, wasn't expecting just one.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Wasn't Elyse the one who'd played before?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Both scum wouldnt bus their buddy. Even i am not that stupid.

He was going to get lynched. You would have been stupid to ignore it, regardless of alignment.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I promised reads. I'm ignoring VCA and Zach's theory for these reads because I feel like it.


Me - Awesome.

Syryanna - Doubtful scum, but he kept ignoring my request for a link to his best scum game. Ignoring has me on edge.

Whiskers - Possible scum. Look at my vote to see why.

Elyse - Not really going outside the box at all, posting little and sticking to safe votes and relatively obvious questions. Null.

Human Destroyer - Gut town. His reactions and explanations all seem genuine, even if they're a little underwhelming at times.

fuzzy - Earlier someone said he acts like this all the time, but I have the paranoid feeling that he might be trying to pull one over on all of us with this derpy routine.

Salamence - I've disliked how he's interacted with me , but that's probably bias talking. He voted SD AND Demon D1 so town.

Remembering Sunday - See Elyse.

Zachattack - He's still a townread, but hasn't done much to maintain that read since the beginning of day 1. Call it coasting.

Siveure Dhapihefja - Probable scum, but could just have derped hard yesterday. Either way he was flailing pretty hard yesterday.

Kmd - I maintain my scumread on him from the beginning of day 1 and he's done absolutely nothing since. (save for an unexplained vote on a nullread)

Scum

Whiskers
Siveure
kmd
fuzzy
Remembering Sunday
Elyse
zachattack
Syryanna
Salamence
HD

Town

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Johnny

New Rule: Explain your votes.

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: johnny

What did I

just

say?

VOTE: SDT

Omgus.

[JohnnyFarrar]

No? I assume you have no good reason then.

-Because none of my townreads are that strong
-Because no one is really giving off a lot of townreads
-Because his actions are townie despite that, and given he only had one scum game I understand why he didn't post the link.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Right now my only lynch options are Whiskers and SDT

Safety acted exactly like that in my last game and he was town. Check for yourself.

I maintain that kmd's vote wasn't that great.

I declared intent to hammer, not my fault someone else hammered before we got a claim.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Annoyed.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm going out. Lynch me, the town can afford it.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Clearly I'm more of a distraction than a help to the town, so I don't mind. I've said everything I have to say.

[JohnnyFarrar]

What do you think of Whiskers? He's smart enough to bus Demon and distracted the Doc so Hoops was an open target.

or SDT? Just read his ISO.

[JohnnyFarrar]

What was different about me saying that just now and when I said it before?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Right. I'm leaving now.

[JohnnyFarrar]

You're right on the Doc, but JK is still an option (as you mentioned back when you asked for it). Still, that's a stretch. I'll back off for now, but if this more-than-obvious softclaim of yours doesn't amount to anything I'll be back.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'd like a perfect win. That'd be nice. (I just realized I think you modded my last perfect win )

You think SDT is scum?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Was the reason you listed your only reason? Or did my reaction erase HD's case from your brain as well?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Need to catch up after work today, give me 12 hours or so.

...Nearly 24 hours later....

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm only skimming because work, but why are we claiming? Roles arent alignment specific so it doesn't really tell us much.

Also why are you and Sala exempt?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Because Hoopla is a good player.

I'm a VT.

Whiskers, this whole business makes me uneasy.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Wrong. There are certain roles I would consider conf-town.

Your wrong is wrong. Nothing is conf-town.

Let's just decide on a lynch already. Flips will give us more information than all this nonsense. I'd be ok with SDT, Elyse, or RS in that order.

[JohnnyFarrar]

If you insist, but I'm town. I'd also rather not die.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Zach's not getting lynched today anyways.

Elyse, are you thinking kmd is scum?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Well this sucks. Guess it's what I get for goofing off for the majority of D1.

Did you guys finish the hypo claim yet?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Has RS claimed yet?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I will bet the game on the following players being town:

Kmd
Whiskers
Salamence
Elyse
zachattack
fuzzy

As long as this core body of townies is retained, we have basically no chance of losing.

In a situation where sheer mathematical probability is on our side, you've managed to find an improbable outlook. Good job.

[JohnnyFarrar]

So now I think it might be a good idea for SDT and Syry to say who they're targeting tonight (is there a term for that? Hypo-target?) in case they die tonight, so if one of them is JK it clears that person.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Yes, let's kill Kmd.

kmd picked the same number as bojo. I'd rather get a cop read or a JK confirm first.

What about your vote on RS? Don't like it?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Let's all just agree to kill someone already. We're talking ourselves in circles.

Remembering Sunday or Me?

[JohnnyFarrar]

This entire conversation is annoying.

Zach, who's scummier - Me or Whiskers?

[JohnnyFarrar]

You're not Zach.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Syryana should say who he's targeting tonight.

I'm just gonna sit here.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Why is everyone acting scummy?

Who's everyone and what's scummy?

[JohnnyFarrar]

The amount of babble in this thread is getting atrocious.

More votes on Remembering Sunday.

Say who you're targeting tonight. If you don't have a role that targets, make up a target.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Syr, you don't seem to read my posts at all. If you're the last scum I'm gonna be disappointed.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Oh, you're a dick. I get it.

So you've given up on getting any more reads today? What do you think of RS? What about Kmd?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Syrana, I appreciate the kind words.

You'd probably say something similar if I'd outed you as a possible jailkeeper.

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: RS

Syry, if you don't name your target before someone gets lynched I'll pop a blood vessel.

[JohnnyFarrar]

SDT already said KMD

[JohnnyFarrar]

I think that was a hammer.

[JohnnyFarrar]

RS, perfect win?

[JohnnyFarrar]

SWEET

[JohnnyFarrar]

YEAH PERFECT WIN

Hoopla, good shot.

Kmd, good. Just good.

Demon, you died.

[JohnnyFarrar]

cop.

[JohnnyFarrar]

sorry to hear that.