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@Everyone, why was the guy I replaced not getting much pressure for lurking, but Crazed and others were getting called out for it more. It seems weird how my slot was ignored a lot.
Some thoughts on some things that were said so far.
Spoiler:
some reads
Town:
serrapaladin- being an active logical scumhunter
Syryana-post 60
Scum
Stringer Bell- for his posts I talked about earlier about crazed.
CrazedPorcupine- the whole RVS thing and his strange playstyle, his responses about not having enough information. (Replacing in just now I feel like there is a ton of info to go through, which is a nice feeling because this game is in no danger of having an inactive town just stall it.)
I'll have more reads later, this is what I got from my skim through.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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I didn't commit the Amished tell. I never implied the lurking my predecesor, or any other player did was scummy. I was just noting that it seemed odd that people were talking a lot about other players lurking, but weren't mentioning me. In other words, I was saying that some people, i forget who at the moment, weren't being very good scumhunters. Of course, I had just skimmed stuff but making the observation that I did was not the amished tell.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 283, CrazedPorcupine wrote:I will gladly self-lynch to just put an end to my misery of constant viewing of being scummy,
No, as town you should never NEVERNEVERself-vote or self-hammer.
If you are scum go ahead, but as town, you should fight your lynch. Force people to join your wagon and then have to be held accountable to their votes if you truly flip town.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 288, CrazedPorcupine wrote:I've BEEN fighting my Lynch, but if you haven't noticed I've remained at L-1/L-2 for the past 4 days. It doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon. And as I said, I won't self vote unless it's inevitable that I'll be lynched anyways.
^this is why you NEVER self-vote...In post 285, DCLXVI wrote:Force people to join your wagon and then have to be held accountable to their votes if you truly flip town.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 304, guille2015 wrote:DC being suspicious. I agree with mala's question, I'd like to know that. Basically he didn't have a case on Marangal, (he was sheeping serra). So why the need to explain that this was a 180. I need a better explanation of why you think Serra is scum as opposed to your previous town read on him.
Well, there were three 180's there Marangal scum ->town Crazed Scum->town Serrapaladin town->scum. That's why I said it was a 180 cause basically I was flipping three of my initial reads.
The explanation is fairly simple:
I had Crazed as scum do to early game antics sheeping/desire to die among other things.
I had serrapaladin as town due to some posts he made early on that seemed to show decent scumhunting.
I had Marangal as scum due to agreeign with and sheeping serrapaladins reasoning that Marangal's town read on crazed was well...crazy
What changed:
I decided from interaction with Crazed that he is town, Therefor:
Marangal was not scum for being crazy about crazed being town, she had good reason for it.
Serrapaladin was being oppurtunistic in going after Marangal.
If Marangal and Crazed are town and Serra is scum (more likely mafia than sk) here is how I see it: Serra is going for the easy lynch in Crazed but wants to set up the next lynch by accusing marangal of defending crazed too much (basically serra is implying that mara is scum who knows crazed alignment), in other words he is trying to setup two mislynches. Honestly, this makes more sense with serra being scum as sk doesn't have any inside info as to others alignments.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 317, Syryana wrote:If serra were opportunistic, would he not have jumped on the Crazed wagon? After all, Crazed was at L-1 for a while there. It would make more sense to get rid of Crazed now then present a case on Marangal on the next day phase rather than go "I dun liek Crazed waggon, Marangal scumm kthxbai" (which is drawing quite a bit of attention to him btw).
Assuming Serra-scum, Crazed/Marangal not same alignment as Serra
This is my theory: Serra is trying to avoid responsibility for a Crazed lynch while setting himself up to use the crazed lynch to get marangal lynched day 2.
Basically Serra started one lynch, then once it was rolling he dropped off so he isn't responsible for a mislynch, however, the second lynch he is going for (marangal) is dependent on the first lynch (crazy) happening. He is using his first lynch to set up the next getting himself two lynches.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 324, Syryana wrote:You make a lot of assumptions here, some false some unjustified, IMO. You assume:
a)Crazed/Marangal are town
b)Serra is informed
c)Serra set up Crazed to be lynched
d)If Serra is an anti-town role, it makes Crazed/Marangal town
You don't seem to get what I was doing so let me explain. I have other reasons for my reads, I explained them in post 314.
What I'm doing here is attempting to fit those reads with the actions that have taken place day 1. In other words, I am not blindly assuming that these players have those alignments, rather I am making assumptions based on my reads and showing how my reads fit with what serra has done. Comprende?
a:
In post 321, DCLXVI wrote:Assuming Serra-scum, Crazed/Marangal not same alignment as Serra
nope, not saying that they are town based on Serra's alignment.
I do have a townread on crazed, I do have a scumread on Serra. I am not sure about marangal except that she does not share an alignment with Serra. However, I do recognize that serra being scum does not mean that Crazed is town because we are working with two hostile factions.
b.I assume that if Serra is mafia he is informed. That is not a false assumption.
c.Again, look at the evidence, he was hard onto crazed and then jumped off to go to marangal.
Go read a. did not say that at all.
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What I did is like science.
You make a hypothesis based on some facts that you know. (reads/assumptions/hypothesis)
You then make a theory that explains it, and compare theory to real life. (reads/assumptiosn->theory and then test it)
So basically I was like: Assuming my reads are correct this is how things played out and since it all makes sense so far I think I have a decent chance of being correct.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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more later but...
In post 367, kashoodles wrote:Would really like to hear DLC's reasoning on serra still.
Just cause you don't agree with my reasoning doesn't mean it doesn't exist.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 355, Superdeclan wrote:Unseencamo:
#128
how was BEF buddying syryana by changing his mind about him? We have all gone to lean pretty null on him since he started participating.
#193 and #223 contradict themselves. He says 'I'm always skeptical in this point of the game then in #223 he says 'as I've already said, I'm always critical in this point of the game' This is really bed USC
Pathos based?
#354 Maybe Syry thinks sera's actions arent scummy. He's not posted in a while though so I want to see what he says
UNVOTE: Crazed
VOTE: USC
I still think crazed is scum but some pressure on USC who has slipped under my radar will do wonders of good.
This reeks and reeks and reeks of bullshit and doublespeak and all kinds of other scummy things of which I can't recall the names of at the moment.
Ok let's analyze this first he goes on the attack, I can't speak for his other criticisms of USC,(he can do that himself) but his line was just terrible.
#193 and #223 contradict themselves. He says 'I'm always skeptical in this point of the game then in #223 he says 'as I've already said, I'm always critical in this point of the game' This is really bed USC
No contradiction. Here are some definitions from dictionary.com:
Critical:1.inclined to find fault or to judge with severity, often too readily.
Pessimistic:1. the tendency to expect the worst and see the worst in all things
Similar enough to show that USC basically has a negative/lesser view of early game stuff.
Super seems to be building up a case on USC by pointing out things which he claims are basically scummy about him (while not said that is what was implied) However, when he places the vote it is not because of any suspicion but because he wants to put pressure on USC. He was already at l-2, I don't see the reason for risking his lynch if all you want from your vote is to put some pressure on him.
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Basically, Super said USC was doing scummy stuff (the example I looked at was a major stretch), however, when it came time to vote the excuse was not the normal "I think USC is scummy" instead the reason given is pressure even when it is clear there is already more than enough pressure being applied.
I don't like this half hearted attempt at sneaking on the USC wagon while still trying to move it with accusations.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 424, kashoodles wrote:In post 423, DCLXVI wrote:I'm not happy with either of the top two wagons.
Who would you be happy with?
serrapaladin, superdeclanSarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 434, Syryana wrote:If he flips mafia: We just got a switch deactivated and it validates the theory on Crazed/USC partners, so we most likely get another switch deactivated after either tomorrow's lynch or the SK's kill.
If he flips SK: One less townie dies at night. Odds of him killing a mobster < him killing a townie, so SK death is a net good thing.
If he flips town: We killed the VI. We also get to do VCA on his wagon.
There are extremely few circumstances where a player is so bad or disruptive to the game that lynching him as town is good for the town. This is NOT one of those circumstances, I've seen worse play.
Of course lynching mafia/sk is good, but lynching town is almost always bad.
To clarify, and information lynch usually implies that connections between the dead player and living players can be established in connection with the lynched players role. Lynching someone simply to see what they were is a retarded way of going about mafia and is no better than drowning witches.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 494, serrapaladin wrote:666: do you still think both USC and crazed are town?
Crazed isn't playing well, but earlier emotions from him scream newb town. I know, it's a bad way to clear someone but I've been involved (read: Lead) a few newbtown lynches and this is reminding me of them way too much.
I'm to lazy right now to iso myself, but I don't recall thinking or saying that USC was town, I'm null on him, I don't like his lynch because I don't like the way the wagon formed.
My preference between the two would be USC obviously, but I'm not voting for a compromise lynch, I've had that come back and bite me before.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 513, Superdeclan wrote:In post 491, CrazedPorcupine wrote:Well even if he claims town,
lol. Who would claim scum.
In post 479, CrazedPorcupine wrote:You use the excuse of me being scum to accuse me of being scum, therefore, WIFOM...
SCUMSLIP ALERT: Crazedadmittedto being scum here. He said 'you use the excuse of me being scum to accuse me of being scum'
First, super says "who would claim scum" implying that no one would ever claim scum.
Then he says WAIT LOOK AT CRAZED he just claimed scum.
@Superdeclan, how does your mind contain so many contradicting thoughts without just imploding?
Secondly, I'm not even seeing how that was a "scumslip." Again, more crappy attacks by superdeclan. He's been pushing both of the main wagons today with some arguments that were really just terrible.
vote:superdeclan
I get it, either USC or Crazed is getting lynched today, but I don't think either is scum.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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@mala, to the contrary, I've been expressing that a lot. Here are some quotes from my iso.
In post 295, DCLXVI wrote:This is a full 180 but, screw it, I think crazed is town.
In post 373, DCLXVI wrote:I'm not liking some of the jumps onto USC, DO NOT HAMMER HIM BEFORE I POST ABOUT IT TOMORROW. I WILL BE MAD.
In post 423, DCLXVI wrote:I'm not happy with either of the top two wagons.
In post 427, DCLXVI wrote:In post 424, kashoodles wrote:In post 423, DCLXVI wrote:I'm not happy with either of the top two wagons.
In post 512, DCLXVI wrote:In post 494, serrapaladin wrote:666: do you still think both USC and crazed are town?
Crazed isn't playing well, but earlier emotions from him scream newb town. I know, it's a bad way to clear someone but I've been involved (read: Lead) a few newbtown lynches and this is reminding me of them way too much.
I'm to lazy right now to iso myself, but I don't recall thinking or saying that USC was town, I'm null on him, I don't like his lynch because I don't like the way the wagon formed.
My preference between the two would be USC obviously, but I'm not voting for a compromise lynch, I've had that come back and bite me before.
Who would you be happy with?
serrapaladin, superdeclan
As this last quote notes, I have been scum hunting, its just that quite unfortunately no one seems to agree with me at the moment that these two players are scummy.
I've been very clear on my reads of crazed and USC. Crazed is town. I'm null on USC and I don't like how is wagon formed. I have absolutely no intent right now to be on their wagons.
I'm am not joining a wagon for the sake of joining a wagon. Last time I joined up on a compromise lynch, scum used it to mislynch me in lylo.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 560, Malakittens wrote:Why am I not believing you USC. I have a feeling you're the SK and not the vig. You're vote hopping is more closely related to a scum meta.
I would think an sk would look more like a townie, after all they would be able to legitimately scumhunt for mafia. Just my two cents there.
Syryana wrote:In post 562, serrapaladin wrote:Could I propose not lynching either and letting the night deal with them?
You think it's possible to get enough votes on someone else (or a no-lynch) before deadline?
Pedit:DCLXVI wrote:I don't mind counterclaims as long as they aren't in lylo. It means we have caught scum.
Wat.
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In post 288, CrazedPorcupine wrote:And as I said, I won't self vote unless it's inevitable that I'll be lynched anyways.
A pr would never self-vote. Look at this later on right before he makes his claim
In post 534, CrazedPorcupine wrote:And I'm not concerned about getting lynched. At least not today
Yeah, and then he claims vig.
If crazed was a vig he would not have threatened to self-vote...
Well, I feel like a bit of an idiot now but...
vote:crazedguess I should have stuck with that initial scum read.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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My read of crazed was newb vt (for obvious reason I didn't say that, but the whole I am going to lynch myself just doesn't come from a pr)
Three facts:
1. Crazed threatened to lynch himself.
2. Crazed recognizes that a claim means he won't be likely to get lynched.
3. Crazed claim vig.
If crazed is a vig, he would not threatened to kill himself. His claim does not in any way correlate with past actions in ways that really can't be reconciled together.
pedit:
one problem with leaving both alive, you see, there is something called the vig switch and it is completely possible that both crazed and USC will be alive the next morning and we will have to have this conversation again.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 582, serrapaladin wrote:Wait yeah, of course they do. Crazed is the SK.
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Wow, I hadn't posted in a week due to the quicklynch...In post 671, Superdeclan wrote:We're in Llyoyd now so nobody vote as its possible all 3 scum are online
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In post 710, BrightEyedFish wrote:Why would I unvote if I have no problem with your speed lynch.
Well townies don't usually speedlynch...and I don't think we want a scum led speedlynch...
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Normally popcorn claiming is a decent wait to start lylo, but obviously that won't be very effective.
Instead maybe we should popcorn our scumreads? Someone will go first and then have someone they think is scum go next (cause ideally it would be good (for the town) for scum to go early in the process.)
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Mala, you are forgetting that the mafia (and for that matter the rest of us) did not know whether crazed or USC was the vig/sk. So the whole idea that scum knew they were picking off the vig is absolute rubish.
Anyway the evidence against crazed was pretty damning from my perspective.
In post 573, DCLXVI wrote:My read of crazed was newb vt (for obvious reason I didn't say that, but the whole I am going to lynch myself just doesn't come from a pr)
Three facts:
1. Crazed threatened to lynch himself.
2. Crazed recognizes that a claim means he won't be likely to get lynched.
3. Crazed claim vig.
If crazed is a vig, he would not [have] threatened to kill himself. His claim does not in any way correlate with past actions in ways that really can't be reconciled together.
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Maybe this is wrong (but I don't think so), but I try to assume that if someone is town, they will act like town. Crazed did not act like someone with a town pr.
Again, a town lynch is always bad, but there was 100% proof that he was not acting in a way a town pr would normally behave. Going after people on his wagon imho is not going to be effective scumhunting because in every way after his claim he appeared to be scum.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 753, serrapaladin wrote:As I've said like a million times, Mara is horrible because she insisted all day he was ubernewbtown
I called him town for most of the day as well and then I voted him? Was that bad.
No it wasn't, his claiming vig changed everything. That is something that has to be considered and its weird that you are ignoring that.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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I'm not so sure that being the most common choice for scum means that person is most likely scum. In fact, I would be concerned with someone being unanimously scummy outside of a guilty with the way we outed our scumreads. Basically its setup so that scum can all jump onto one player without looking too suspicious. In other words, I'm hesitant to lynch BEF at the moment.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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Once I noted my concerns about BEF
Malakittens- BEF, MsM & DC
DCLXVI- Serra BEF Declan
serrapaladin- BEF, MM and Declan
Ms Marangal- Stringer, Declan, and Bef
BrightEyedFish- declan, stringer mala/stringer
Stringer Bell- BEF, serra, Declan
Superdeclan- Serra, BEF
Who received most scum-reads:
BEF-6 (unanimous)
Superdeclan 5
serrapaladin 3
DCLXVI 1
Ms Marangal 1
Malakittens .5
Stringerbell .5
I'm thinking either serra or declan is the lynch for today. I find BEF scummy but am concerned about the universal scuminess that has been decided on. He's too easy of a target.
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I'm very much ready to vote serra. The reason as I explained early is that the way we setup the reads claim it gave scum ample ability to all jump on a few players since they don't have to name a guy as their top suspect but can just lump him in with all three making it hard to detect who is scum driving the lynch. I think that there is a decent chance that One of BEF/DECLAN (I'm strongly leaning BEF at the moment) is town being setup for the easy mislynch. I do acknowledge that his play has been scummy and just judging by that he would be an excellent lynch, HOWEVER, I'm worried about the fact that there is simply no resistance. If I voted BEF right now. I'm sure there would be enough votes for him to die. I don't doubt it. I feel serra is much more likely to be scum both because he was my number one scum read coming into today as well as with how the reads have played out.
Eventually we will have to vote and that eventually is coming a lot closer. I don't have a problem going first and I may very well do so soon.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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hm, I wonder why only have 3 town players and three scum players around (assuming you are town, if you happen to be scum you can go on perma vl/la for all i care) would be problematic. no, I can't think of any reason that would ever be a problem.
In your v/la post you didn't specify you would have phone access, now that you have I don't think it is as big of a deal, but the above explains why I wasn't initially all to happy.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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?Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 785, DCLXVI wrote:Well, someone has to be first and the day isn't getting any shorter.
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You guys should be doing thisSarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 812, Malakittens wrote:No? I want an answer because she could be voting Declan because he has more suscipion then Stringer has and it could easily be a winning scum move if she can get more people voting him and I am still thinking MsM can be scum and it makes me weary on how she's voting. So I'm just asking for an explanation.
If she is scum do you think she will give you an honest answer as to who she is more suspicious of...don't be so naive.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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