Open 487: Hard Boiled Day 3: A sinister Murder

[Human Destroyer]

Oh sup HD

Oh hai HD.

Hello hello

Will catch up in next 2-3 days, still on V/LA; just wanted to check in and shit

[Human Destroyer]

Getting to this now

[Human Destroyer]

Ick.

VOTE: Nekoko

Their opening is, quite bluntly, the worst thing I've seen a while; it's about as overexplained, useless-theorying, and fluffy as you can get.

[Human Destroyer]

on page 4

Piratecat, Marangal, orc, and leaf are all towntowntown

Scum is in {FH, Nekoko, VL, ME Roll}

[Human Destroyer]

Also I like her vote orders and want them to continue.

Page 1:
Mathdino -> Freshmaniscoolman(1)
freezing-hell -> mathdino (1)
startransmission -> Larry David (1)
RachMarie -> Freshmaniscoolman(2)
Leafsw0rd -> Mr E Roll(1)
Larry David -> Voodoo Lady (1)
Piratecat -> RachMarie(1)
Voodoo Lady -> Larry David (2)
frezzing-hell ->

-mathdino(0)

Piratecat(1)
Nekoko -> Piratecat(2)

Page 2:
orcinus_theoriginal -> orcinus_theoriginal(1)
orcinus_theoriginal ->

-orcinus_theoriginal(0)

rachmarie(1)
Mathdino ->

-Freshmaniscoolman(1)

orcinus_theoriginal -> mathdino(1)
Mathdino -> orcinus_theoriginal(1)
Piratecat ->

-RachMarie(0)

Mathdino ->

-orcinus_theoriginal(0)

Page 3:
orcinus_theoriginal -> Voodoo Lady(2)
Mr E Roll -> orcinus_theoriginal(1)

Page 4:
orcinus_theoriginal -> Mr E Roll(2)
frezzing-hell ->

-Piratecat(1)

Mathdino -> freezing-hell(1)

Page 6:
Mr E Roll ->

-orcinus_theoriginal(0)

freezing-hell(2)
startransmission -> freezing-hell(3)
startransmission ->

-Larry David(1)

Page 7:
Nekoko ->

-Piratecat(0)

freezing-hell(4)

these fucking IIoA vote orders piss me off

[Human Destroyer]

Hey rach and Larry David. Nice to see both of you in this game <3

Like I said - I would be more happier with a tracker being picked on Night 1, but if the player who has the control of the decision is experienced while being a vig and is confident that they can kill mafia without hitting town then pick the vig.

That's quite the fence you're sitting on, Piratecat. You'd rather have the tracker, but if the person in question is confident then he can be vig? That puts your opinion exactly back into the middle. There are ofcourse pros and cons for all the roles, but trying to advocate a role that has a higher chance of hitting town then scum sounds anti-town to me.
2:44AM right now so I'm off to bed. But first:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Piratecat

@mod: double post to fix the quote code, if it's not too much trouble, could you delete the other one?

I'm not liking this at all, and the accusation here seems to be semi-serious. there's nothing in Mala's post that seems fence-sitty to me in the slightest and for that matter, speculation on the set-up is just as anti-town as "fence sitting" so really, you should also be calling Mathdino, Nekoko, and a few other's rather then going along with it.

You're town because this is the same reaction I had

Similar reactions to town = town alignment

[Human Destroyer]

Mr E Roll and HD both have (had) Nekoko and Orcinus as scum reads, but to be fair HD is only just starting to catch up on the thread.

wat?

Orc is towntowntown

And yeah I replaced Fresh beats boi YO

(idk where that came from shut up)

[Human Destroyer]

Jesus fucking christ, Nekoko is so obvscum it's ridiculous

Why am I the only one pushing him at all

[Human Destroyer]

Piratecat your defense of Orc is very similar to rach’s in that your are relying on what you expect typical scum to do.

EW HOLY FUCK

I'll get back to Nekoko but this is the shittiest thing I've read this game, and possibly ever

VOTE: Mr E Roll

This scum goes today, Nekoko goes tomorrow

MM if you pick vig please don't vig me or anyone on my town list (which I plan to finish later today if I have time)

[Human Destroyer]

"lol orc is scummy but typical town tells can't be applied because he's not acting like typical scum"

Lynch this right fucking now dammit

[Human Destroyer]

You people don’t seem to recognize what I’m trying to say. Yes, orc has been calling people scum all game but he has been arriving at that conclusion because they have done things that are “terrible” and “ridiculous” not because they are “scummy”. Terrible play is not alignment indicative.

Except...he's calling them "terrible" and "ridiculous" because he clearly finds them "scummy".

I didn't come here to play word semantics.

[Human Destroyer]

HD, are you going to tell me why I shouldn't Vig you or whoever else you didn't want me to vig?

Ya.

Cause we're all town.

[Human Destroyer]

You are sooo convincing

I could be more fun and claim day cop innos on them.

But meh, not really in the mood.

[Human Destroyer]

You're vigging whichever one of Rach/Hp that we don't lynch today

IMO lynch E Roll, kill Nekoko is the best route

[Human Destroyer]

LOL, I'd probably have to vote myself then.

See these posts just don't stand out to me as scum. This is clueless town, not scum.

I hope you know why I'm using this.

[Human Destroyer]

LOL, I'd probably have to vote myself then.

See these posts just don't stand out to me as scum. This is clueless town, not scum.

I hope you know why I'm using this.

You're going to have to elaborate

You called Mr e scum in your post before that one

[Human Destroyer]

Also the sheer amount of lynching my scunreads in this thread is beautiful

[Human Destroyer]

HD what is your take with the events of the past many posts?

We have not had a lot from your slot and I know you have been playing catch up, but now we have ended outing all 3 PRs....

Um...all 3?

My reads haven't changed with those posts if that's what you're asking?

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah unless I've gone half blind I don't see a Det/Psycho claim?

[Human Destroyer]

How the fuck did I miss that?

Okay, I'll add you to the townpile.

E Roll is still scum.

[Human Destroyer]

So does HD I guess

Rach/Hp/Mystery

I was talking about this post orc

Plus you being entirely okay with a Mr E vig

[Human Destroyer]

So does HD I guess

Rach/Hp/Mystery

I was talking about this post orc

Plus you being entirely okay with a Mr E vig

My reads are fluid.

How bout yours?

idk my reads don't usually change (although I have my occasions)

this seemed more like a jump than a fluid change though, considering you had said you were okay with a Mr E vig just two posts-ish back.

[Human Destroyer]

Why isn't the freshmaniscool a good target then? >.>

Because he's me, and I quite value my undead state, thanks very much.

[Human Destroyer]

Went to ISO hp and found this heap of bullshit:

Quick setup related post. So for all we know, Piratecat is confirmed town hider as there were no counterclaims. The strategy we're using is also pretty useful on the paper, so we won't have many issues unless the prs get nked quickly or the vig/tracker rebels and becomes a vig. During the day, I say we go after lurkers in order to let Piratecat get stronger reads that will help her survive a longer time. I also suggest the hider to not hide behind the strongest players so that we force the mafia to choose between strong players and confirmed players. That's partly how we won Last Will Mafia (I can give the link on request). I suppose that they'd choose confirmed players anyway so we can semi-confirm the strong players with psychologist/detective and not lose their input. Not that I can force you into that, Piratecat. End of setup discussion for me.

Okay, now moving on to lurker lynches. freshmaniscoolman hasn't even confirmed and has absolutely no posts in the thread. Next up, there's me/Larry David with a total of 4 posts. But I'm town and my activity level will rise greatly so we'll pass. In third spot there's Voodoo Lady/jon with a total of five posts; however I'm willing to give jon some space to post since he just replaced in. If he continues to lurk, though, I know who I'll be voting for. Then there's Nekoko and startransmission. Nekoko has contributed much more than star, and star said he won't be able to contribute as much, making him a harder read. So, start posting more or die.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: startransmission

I can settle for lynching this.

[Human Destroyer]

OKAY I WAS WRONG

I'll let you guys slap me in the face at endgame

VOTE: Marangal

Wow, that's strange. Normally Dino's action wouldn't be stopped.

Anyway, so leafsword is townie then. Together with orc/neko/star, if we assume that ms. Marangal derped and gave it away ( and seeing moderator's reaction, i'd assume so).

Shouldn't we be lynching someone else then MM?? I mean, she can only shoot once right? So she can't kill at night anymore. Pretty sure that mr. E is the last scum.

^scumpartner

If it's not this guy, it's Mr. E. Nekoko if by some horrible fluke neither flips scum.

[Human Destroyer]

Ew ponies.

[Human Destroyer]

I sorta assumed you made that post knowing you were hammering.

[Human Destroyer]

Problem: What if Rach dies?

[Human Destroyer]

You need to tell us who you're targeting

HD: No loss.

...?

Is this only a one night plan or is this the whole game because I seriously doubt PRs are going to remain alive very long?

[Human Destroyer]

PC followed the plan basically to the letter

What the fuck is crazy about that

[Human Destroyer]

Orc what you think? HD or NAU?

NAU

ok will do

yeah I gots a bad feelin about him...

Like I said before iffen I die, follow PC those cats have it goin on...

This is reason enough to lynch NAU.

okay what

there's so much wrong with this

rach was a claimed investigative PR in a game where there are confirmed to be no protective roles

give me one reason why scum

wouldn't

kill her, no matter who the scum actually is

VOTE: FH

[Human Destroyer]

No, we need to settle down and lynch MsM.
Everyone needs to stop trying to control what we will do. We are a free spirit.
Kay?
Or else you'll be helping the scum out more.

I really need to explain this? It speaks for itself. You took a risk with this. But since rach was inspecting NAU, he needed to be killed first. Otherwise he'd be lynched today for sure, because Rach would've gotten a scum result on him. That's why NAU had to shoot Rach first. If Rach would've inspected HD, then you and neko were now dead. Since your role is the one that will allow us to win.

but scum doesn't even know who PC is hiding behind

that carries such a large inherent risk for such a small profit

[Human Destroyer]

I seriously feel like FH killed Rach and decided to use her NK as a reason to mislynch NPIAU or however the hell you abbreviate it

like seriously this is the shittiest reasoning for a lynch I've ever seen and I've seen some pretty shitty lynches

[Human Destroyer]

Oh HD doesn't see it yet.

I thought about the whole killing Rach first before me to set up NAUP, but then they had the easiest shot on killing me.

Again, the problem is that scum doesn't know who you're hiding behind.

If they miss (assuming NPIAU isn't scum for the purposes of this example), they now have

2 more confirmed town

to deal with rather than just one.

Rach was the only sensical scum kill last night; any other carried the risk of suicide.

[Human Destroyer]

I know, but I was also trying to semi-clear another town while doing it as scum would have killed me over Rach if they saw it. 2 townies over 1, especially, if one townie was confirmed and can confirm everyone else.

wait no I don't think I'm following

did you breadcrumb that you were going to hide behind nekoko?

[Human Destroyer]

Not true. Scum could have missed it all together as apparently HD has or they were trying to set up NAUP.

or both

I seriously think it's the latter.

[Human Destroyer]

Mafia would definitely look through your posts closer. And it was kinda really obviously

I still don't see it

[Human Destroyer]

So, HD, who do you think is scum? Since it's proven Nekoko is town.

Orc what you think? HD or NAU?

NAU

ok will do

yeah I gots a bad feelin about him...

Like I said before iffen I die, follow PC those cats have it goin on...

This is reason enough to lynch NAU.

okay what

there's so much wrong with this

rach was a claimed investigative PR in a game where there are confirmed to be no protective roles

give me one reason why scum

wouldn't

kill her, no matter who the scum actually is

VOTE: FH

[Human Destroyer]

this should seriously be town auto-win

like if we don't win this I'll cry

[Human Destroyer]

If we don't win this while having three confirmed towns.. Then I'll cry.

ProTip: FH

isn't

scum.

Why not?

[Human Destroyer]

Geeesh. HD why am I starting to think you are the last scum?.. >.>

I'm not, but I think FH is.

I don't get why you think he isn't?

(I'm a fan of "Lynch actual scum so that we don't have to go through 4 days or whatever it is of pointless town apathy")

If we don't win this while having three confirmed towns.. Then I'll cry.

ProTip: FH

isn't

scum.

Why not?

Because I know it's auto-win and I would claim to end the game.

so we should just assume that everyone that doesn't claim scum is town?

that seems stupid as hell

[Human Destroyer]

Actually

Could the last scum just out themselves so we can finish this game, town effectively won this game with a guaranteed 3p confirmed town.

Thanks

durr I understand that

I've been working the math out in my head and if PC is killed tonight town has the smallest chance of losing known to man (like 0.00000001% chance)

but it's actually there

[Human Destroyer]

Okay. I BREADCRUMBED WHO I WAS TARGETTING. FH clearly knew who I was targeting and why. Therefore he's not scum because if he WAS scum he would have killed Neko instead of RM to kill two townies.

okay wait maybe you're right

but even then it's wifom because he needs to be able to push more mislynches, and this enables him to push an easy NPIAU one

[Human Destroyer]

okay y'know what

fuck it

I wasn't going to do this but I have no chance of winning

VOTE: HD

I'm scum, just lynch me now and end this fucking miserable game

[Human Destroyer]

it doesn't matter really

I was walking dead anyway

just...don't ever talk about this game to me

ever

[Human Destroyer]

see the problem with this setup is that town has

3

ways to confirm town

scum has no power whatsoever to counteract this

I don't get at all how this is balanced

p-edit: No actually. Can you just tell me?

[Human Destroyer]

oh.

wow that really is more obvious than I thought it would be. hm.

[Human Destroyer]

I see the sword, but I don't see the leaf?

[Human Destroyer]

Ehhhhhh yeah that's a terrible breadcrumb.

Back to the balance though; even if I didn't just get myself lynched, I would've had to push

5 mislynches

to win. A feat near impossible with 3 confirmed town, possibly even more if the game continued.

[Human Destroyer]

Well, at least day 1 was fun

I wasn't even here for Day 1.

I replaced into a fucking doomed scum slot from the start.

That's no fun.

[Human Destroyer]

Also I feel bad for Mollie.

): I felt like a controlling biatch. I didn't allow her to post after I crumbed.

'Cause I felt you were likely town and I wanted to clear my nulls or scum reads.

This was smart.

It limits the mislynches scum can push.

[Human Destroyer]

also--shameless self plug--go play pokemon tcg

it's a good idea

and it's heart-healthy

and I'm modding it so it MUST be good

[Human Destroyer]

oh god I'm going insane aren't I

I FEEL SO ALONE

[Human Destroyer]

SWEET RELEASE

[Human Destroyer]

ew that sounded sexual

i should shut up now

[Human Destroyer]

Yeah set up is a bit tough against mafia. I totally agree.

All 3 PRs were outed Day 1.

Two were killed in quick succession. Both of them had the ability to confirm townies.

We still ended up with 3 confirmed townies.

How the hell is scum supposed to win this?

[Human Destroyer]

don't worry about how you look as town

playing cautiously will get you mislynched

[Human Destroyer]

Town sided or not, you guys got EXTREMELY lucky that HD and Ms Marangal did what they did.

I do not think that Town would have won this game so quickly HAD NOT scum played the way they did.

You're seriously going to blame a setup failure on the scum?

Seriously, even with killing 2 outed PRs in a row, there were

3 confirmed town

. That's ridiculous and not possible for scum to win.

[Human Destroyer]

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/ENZCN76VHxEi Scum QT is meh...

fun fact: I actually forgot leafsw0rd was confirmed town