Open 499: Friends and Enemies and Enemies (Game Over!)

[Wisdom]

VOTE: DBK

Sounds good

[Wisdom]

Hi.
Why no vote?

[Wisdom]

Is there a reason for doing a second RVS vote?

[Wisdom]

Because I

[Wisdom]

Because I saw no reason for it*

[Wisdom]

You don't need a reason to RVS, but it's unusual to change your random vote to another random vote.

[Wisdom]

Except you're voting him already

[Wisdom]

startransimission you're not reading very carefully yourself

[Wisdom]

For starters, you were voting me already

[Wisdom]

I really just don't get the point of RVS. I don't want to use my vote in unuseful ways.

Then find who is scum and vote them.

[Wisdom]

53 did not say "@Lincolm"

[Wisdom]

No that doesn't help, what would help is you telling us who is scum and why.

[Wisdom]

Not much, liking my vote so far

[Wisdom]

Because he's being useless and has still not voted anyone.
Does not help us in reading him.

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom : What happen to your super activity?

I'm still the second most active, so it's here I guess.

[Wisdom]

Do you realize that Mac didn't say anything about meta? He only asked what Ferret did in RVS in other game. Mac didn't check it.

Actually what Mac asked is why ferret was RVSing in other games but not in this one. So he did check.

[Wisdom]

So you do RVS just for fun?

[Wisdom]

Why would the game end? Do you honestly think that scum will claim scum or what?

[Wisdom]

That would... defeat the purpose of the game?

[Wisdom]

The purpose of the game is to find who is scum via scumhunting. If they're just gonna tell you that they're scum, why are you even playing?

[Wisdom]

The purpose of the game is to find scum via scumhunting, not because they decided to tell you they're scum.

[Wisdom]

So you'd like a game where scum tell you that they're scum, you vote them and you win? Would you feel that you achieved the purpose for which you got into that game?

[Wisdom]

If you're competitive you should be wanting to play a game that will be a challenge, not something easy like what you're describing.

[Wisdom]

No, it would defeat the purpose for everyone in the game.

[Wisdom]

You wouldn't have to find scum if they just outed, would you?

[Wisdom]

If you are asking me how I'd like to start a game to get this discussion. RVS is the easiest way for all involved as it involves no thinking to start

But you said RVS is stupid..?

[Wisdom]

So it's stupid and efficient at the same time?

[Wisdom]

You don't wanna call the only person who sheeped you a VI :/

[Wisdom]

dafak did I just read

[Wisdom]

And how exactly does his record mean that he is scum this game?

[Wisdom]

Every player is just as likely to be scum and trick us. Should we lynch everyone?

[Wisdom]

Yet you are voting me.

[Wisdom]

Your vote is actually a pressure weapon, and you should use it as such.

[Wisdom]

I was talking to Mutley.

[Wisdom]

If you wanted to pressure ferret, why did you remove your vote before getting any answer?

[Wisdom]

Another mistake.
Don't judge posts based on what

you

would answer.
Each player plays and thinks differently.

pedit:
"Cos you can". Which means that you didn't care to pressure ferret in the first place and therefore you're lying that you were trying to do so. Right?

[Wisdom]

I'm not sure if I am looking at noobtown or noobscum. I'm starting to think it's noobscum.

[Wisdom]

And now self-meta defence as well.
Yeah.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mutley

[Wisdom]

EBWOP: Well, besides the self-meta defense?

Well there's also what he said about the pressure vote on ferret, which is crap since he removed it before getting any response.

[Wisdom]

Mutley answer the pedit in 172

[Wisdom]

The reason that you voted me was beyond terrible and doesn't justify you removing your ferret move and thus dropping your "pressure vote" in the slightest.

[Wisdom]

You just called your vote on me "bigger and better things" yet you now agree that it was terrible?
Go figure.

[Wisdom]

You justified your ferret unvote with "we moved on to bigger and better things".
Your ferret unvote happened because you voted me.
Therefore the bigger and better things are your vote on me.

And then you find that same vote terrible.

You need more votes.

[Wisdom]

You know, if you were town you would assume that I might be scum trying to misrep what you're saying in order to get votes on you.

Yet what you instantly assume is that I don't read what you write. (and even vote yourself to make your point)

Can you guess why this is?

[Wisdom]

Because that would be the logical thing to do for every townie. It's not a personality thing.

Also please quote where you accused me of misrepping you, because I am pretty sure that you didn't and all you kept saying is that "Wisdom is not reading".

[Wisdom]

I don't see any accusation of me misrepping you there.
Which means you didn't think that I was misrepping you, just that I wasn't reading.
Which means my point stands.
Which means you're scum.

[Wisdom]

You know, if you were town you would assume that I might be scum trying to misrep what you're saying in order to get votes on you.

Yet what you instantly assume is that I don't read what you write. (and even vote yourself to make your point)

Can you guess why this is?

I did think that is what you were doing as I said.

Read what you said here. You did think that I was trying to misrep you, and you claim that you said so.
Yet now you're saying that you never said so.

[Wisdom]

The bolded in 203 is unrelated. In 200 you claimed that you did think I was misrepping you, while in 203 you talk about different things like my questions etc

[Wisdom]

you call it misrep I was calling it masking

The masking bit was about my questioning, nothing to do with me misrepping you.

[Wisdom]

You are the one saying I accused you of it.

I did think that is what you were doing as I said.

[Wisdom]

I'll try to explain it again then.

As town, you should not immediately think that I am not reading what you're saying, but that I might be scum purposely ignoring/changing what you are saying in order to get people to vote you.

This is not just what I would do or someone would do, it's town psychology trying to figure out the scum and getting paranoid.

You did not think this way and instead tried to argue I am not reading. Therefore you're scum.

[Wisdom]

The ferret thing and everything else you're saying are completely unrelated and only make you look worse.

[Wisdom]

I feel you still don't understand what 'misrep' means. Please read my recent post where I explained it without using that term.

[Wisdom]

As you did by shortening my quote incidentally.

This actually wasn't a misrep. The rest of your quote had nothing to do with what I was saying.

[Wisdom]

@Mod

Saying that someone's head hurts because of a fight can be a different way of saying that the fight has to end or that it's stupid etc. It's not fluff and tbh I generally disagree with this rule. It's not like a player comes here with the intention to post fluff, they just post whatever is on their mind, and I don't think that hurts the game in any way.
No offense intended.

[Wisdom]

Stop lying. What you referred to as "masking" was what DBK pointed out about my questions. It had nothing to do with misrepping.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: ferret
That was terrible.

[Wisdom]

Hey Sora.

[Wisdom]

I saw that argument as Town v. Scum because of the fact that one side wasn't willing to give up on anything.

Could you be more specific on what you mean?

[Wisdom]

And I thought that the argument mentioned was Town v. Scum because of reasons I have already stated.

You said that Mutley wasn't willing to give up on anything. Why does that mean he's scum?

[Wisdom]

I agree with that, involvement in arguments depends on personality and not on alignment.

[Wisdom]

Bussing is when you vote your partner and get him lynched.
If you just argue without pushing his lynch, you're simply distancing.

[Wisdom]

It would look worse if you didn't argue since I was accusing you, so this doesn't make sense.

[Wisdom]

And once again, there are scum who like to argue and there are scum who like to lurk. It completely depends on personality, so your point is invalid either way.

[Wisdom]

It depends on context.

[Wisdom]

@Mutley
From another game that I answered the same thing:

give me a break... how do you think scum are caught, if there are no general trends?

General trends rarely help in figuring out scum. It's the circumstances, the certain actions from certain players that are scummy for a reason and not because that action is a trend. If you rely on general "trendy" scumtells you're gonna have a bad time and most of the time you'll be WIFOM'd to death.

[Wisdom]

I don't wanna lynch you anymore anyway. And I feel DBK is again scummy for the way he echoed my points against you. What do you think?

[Wisdom]

DBK, how do you feel about startransmission?

[Wisdom]

Why is that? Also answer my question.

[Wisdom]

You now said that you think he's more and more scum every minute. Which posts of his in particular make you think that and why?

[Wisdom]

So you're not sure about him. The "doesn't give up on anything"

might

be a scumtell (or not) and his posts

might

be because of meta/ non-native English. So you don't have any reason for him being scum, yet you say that he feels more and more scum.

This doesn't fly.

[Wisdom]

That's L-1.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

till we hear more from Sora and others.

I also don't like DBK sheeping whatever I do.

[Wisdom]

And no, don't claim yet.

[Wisdom]

Then why didn't you unvote in 313? Why did you need approval to unvote?

[Wisdom]

Damn, starting to dislike Mutley again...

[Wisdom]

Ravenpaw, how do you feel about DBK?

[Wisdom]

Or not.

[Wisdom]

L-3 now.

[Wisdom]

Yup.

[Wisdom]

You should answer to the posts you haven't responded to.

And don't claim yet.

[Wisdom]

Hope you don't call everybody null again next time

[Wisdom]

Because they are

sure

that they are correct. Town and Indie are never

sure

that they are correct.

I think you said somewhere that you haven't played in other sites; may I ask where you learned this?

[Wisdom]

That Mafia are sure they're correct while town and indie aren't. Your use of the word "indie" especially makes me think that you heard that somewhere.

[Wisdom]

The setup is on the wiki, jon.

[Wisdom]

Also even his read on me had a "but" following it. He has not given any reads that aren't null at all.

[Wisdom]

Bullshit.
VOTE: Sora

1) Mutley did not suggest we massclaim, he joked about a honest massclaim being the best way to start a game because it outs scum.
2) The setup is not posted in the OP so whoever didn't check the wiki or an old game would not know the setup. "Setup speculation"? The guy asked to know how many of each scumteam there are. If you argued that he's trying to fake a towntell ("I don't know how many scum there are in each team, I must be town"), then I could have listened to you, but what you're saying is different and a bad accusation.
3) How did I become certain town now? Did any post of mine between your previous read post (in which you were still unsure about me) and this post make you more sure?
Also there's no typical town Wisdom, just so you know.


tl/dr: Bullshit, Sora's reads are terribad and fake.

[Wisdom]

Why just FOS? Is Mutley scummier?

[Wisdom]

"OMGUS"? It would be OMGUS if the only reason you were voting Sora was because he voted, is that so?

[Wisdom]

(Above is @jon)

[Wisdom]

because he voted you*

[Wisdom]

What do you mean that this is an Open setup? Could someone link me to the Wiki page?

reading that post again I'll say at most

MFOS: Sora

Friends and Enemies and Enemies

[Wisdom]

No, they shouldn't.

[Wisdom]

They should claim at L-1 with intent to hammer, like everyone else.

[Wisdom]

As for the "why not", use your brain.

[Wisdom]

That's possible Mutley, even though I don't think scum would bring up such a bad idea.
I think Sora is a better vote.

[Wisdom]

Oh yeah there are 2 scum groups that wouldn't be good to claim just yet.

So only the player that is about to be lynched should claim? And if they aren't, then the real Masons should counterclaim?

If that happens we'll see what we will do. No good talking about it now, we're only helping scum prepare for such a scenario.

[Wisdom]

I'm not sure if Mutley is pressuring me or trying to not vote for one of the top lynches.

The former is Town/Scum and the latter is Scum.

What do you mean? The only "top lynch" atm is you and he's voting you already.

PEdit: The scum are probably already preparing for it.

We still shouldn't help them with that.

PPEdit: too protown to be protown/too scummy to be a scum are both WIFOM and should be avoided. Many other players agree with the previous statement.

Sure, I can avoid that WIFOM and just find you scummy for bringing up such a bad idea. Is that what you prefer?

[Wisdom]

Sora and Mutley have 2 votes each while you have 4 with two more people wanting to vote you.
So think again.

[Wisdom]

lolno. Confirmed scum perhaps.

[Wisdom]

jon, my question please.

[Wisdom]

Yeah, I don't like that.
You gave a reason for voting him, which means that your vote was not OMGUS. Yet for some reason you added "OMGUS" there.

[Wisdom]

I don't see any early wagon on him in his completed towngame.

[Wisdom]

And jon is scummy for saying this. He's trying to make us think that it's normal for ferret to get wagoned.
Possible partners.

[Wisdom]

@Mod

ferret is voting Mutley as well.

[Wisdom]

...no?

[Wisdom]

ferret why are you still voting Mutley?

[Wisdom]

Explain?

[Wisdom]

And why are you disappointed that we didn't pick that up, given that it's knowledge you have and we don't?

I want your reads on ferret and Sora as well.

[Wisdom]

It's a terrible idea.

[Wisdom]

What would be different if they were active?

[Wisdom]

Everyone could make a claim and we could judge the cpunterclaims to try and find scum.

Say that we did this and everyone claimed VT. How would you find scum?

[Wisdom]

Gratz ferret, looks like two replacements showed up to save you from the lynch. Both of them unvoted you to vote for someone with no votes, for completely weak reasons.

@T-Bone
I will post as much as I want to, thanks.


If we're not lynching ferret, I want more votes on Sora.

[Wisdom]

Prolly both town

[Wisdom]

Either ferret or Sora is fine

[Wisdom]

This game needs more activity

[Wisdom]

What do you think about Sora?

[Wisdom]

Do you have any better ideas?

[Wisdom]

Because we're active and the rest of the players should start being too.

[Wisdom]

They should start talking more, I should not start talking less.

[Wisdom]

Also you didn't answer. You said Sora is not the best lynch, why? Do you suspect anyone more than Sora?

[Wisdom]

Also you didn't answer. You said Sora is not the best lynch, why? Do you suspect anyone more than Sora?

[Wisdom]

Yeah, and why is that? Are you more sure about someone else?

[Wisdom]

Then do something to find who is scum. Ask people questions or something.

[Wisdom]

Lincolm you're around, aren't you?
Why is ferret town and what do you think about Sora?

[Wisdom]

Hey Bacde.

Friends and Enemies and Enemies

[Wisdom]

obv-noobtown ferret

lolwut?
Bacde you're scum this game, aren't you?

[Wisdom]

What questions did I not care about?

[Wisdom]

What's your read on Sora, Bacde?

[Wisdom]

And how is his play here different?

[Wisdom]

What questions did I not care about?

[Wisdom]

The fact he was bad in the other game does not mean he will out himself in every game. The way he posts feels the same as in the other game.

[Wisdom]

No, I want you to tell me exactly what questions I did not care about because I am getting the feeling that your scumread on me is totally fake.

[Wisdom]

He's not gonna play the exact same way in both games, especially since they started around the same time for him, and especially since there are players that were present in both like me.
Are you seriously gonna argue that the presence of a RVS vote means anything? Why couldn't he just roll scum in both games and say "I'll RVS in one and I won't RVS in the other"?
Why do you think that he's gonna have an identical behavior in all his scumgames?

No, he's not obvtown and he's in fact very likely scum.

[Wisdom]

my scumread on you is based on your pushes on mutley and ferret which were both horrible

What was horrible about them?

[Wisdom]

That wasn't what I felt like I did in that game, but I guess you could put it that way

This game is going to be ahrder because of 2 scum teams.

Does anyone have any ideas about who could be scumbuddies?

PEdit: Wisdom why am I scum?

Noting that you don't oppose the idea of being scum in both.
You said that it's gonna be harder than the other game, in which you were scum. This could be even seen as a scumslip.

[Wisdom]

Question for you Wisdom:

Do you think its more likely that all the scum in this game are somewhat dumb, bad, easy to trip up on themselves, and read as newbtown

or do you think its more likely that the scum in this game would be trying to mislynch the above mentioned style of player

I think that what the scum do depends on who the scum are and their playstyles.

Now answer my questions.

[Wisdom]

I meant that it owuld be harder than 1 scum team lol

Yup, the other game had one scum team. And you were scum.
And now you say that this game will be harder.
So I am guessing you are scum again and you think that it will be harder because of the two scumteams.

[Wisdom]

lol keep asking inane questions so you can have your scum stance of "Answer my questions damnit"

I've addressed all of your points except finding the inane questions that you used to trip up mutley

but keep up the useless Q's, this way I wont even have to look for them!

Yeah, really useless. You haven't answered what your read on Sora is, what are the questions that I didn't care about, why my pushes on ferret and Mutley were terrible.
You haven't answered to anything at all.

[Wisdom]

lol keep it up wisdom keep acting like I'm not trying my damndest to keep up with your ridiculous number of useless questions

you know why I'm not asking you stupid questions? Because I don't have to make you trip up. You are already scum. I just have to tell everybody what I've seen and let the votes do the talking

obviously I haven't answered about Sora because I'm not sure what my read is yet

and I'm making a post showing you how I got my scumread on you

and showing you why your mutley push is terrible

btw i

DID

answer why your push on ferret was terrible--he's obv newbtown

but you are probably gonna keep pushing on that as an "unacceptable" answer or something because thats all you can cling on to

Yeah okay. This is not a town tunnel, and especially coming from you who has done it twice in the past and should think twice.
You're not sure what your read is on Sora. Right. You get nothing at all from his posts?
No, you didn't tell me why my push on ferret was terrible. There were others who pushed ferret too, he was even at L-1, yet you only find me scum from all those? And you didn't even explain why he's newbtown other than comparing his game to a single scumgame and expecting it to be identical, which is silly.
So no, you have answered to nothing and I am starting to feel confident that you're scum.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom I have played games as Town (Micro 163) that had one scum team. I have read games that have one scum team.

It wasn't a comparison to my scum game...

You were talking about your scum game in the above sentence.
Look:

That wasn't what I felt like I did

in that game

, but I guess you could put it that way

This game

is going to be ahrder because of 2 scum teams.

The two bolded look related.

This game

as opposed to

that game

.

[Wisdom]

I'm not sure if I am looking at noobtown or noobscum. I'm starting to think it's noobscum.

objectively scummy statement. Scum LOVE to make these kind of comments. This is what opened my eyes towards Wisdom

Bullshit. Unless you can prove that I do this as scum, whatever you think that

all

scum

always

do is totally irrelevant.

And now self-meta defence as well.
Yeah.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mutley

Wisdom has played with me enough times to know that AtE and self-meta are not scumtells, especially not when coming from a newish or emotional player

More bullshit. There is town AtE and scum AtE, and which is which depends on the player using it and the circumstances. Same goes for self-meta.

You know, if you were town you would assume that I might be scum trying to misrep what you're saying in order to get votes on you.

Yet what you instantly assume is that I don't read what you write. (and even vote yourself to make your point)

Can you guess why this is?

This is retarded because there's no reason that a scum wouldn't ALSO assume that someone else misrepping them is scum (this is multiball). Mutley assuming you weren't reading him is a personal playstyle attribute that I doubt has anything to do with his alignment

Its weird, for a person who keeps emphasizing that "a scum will act in a way according to their own personal playstyle and preferences" you don't seem to think that a town would ALSO just act to their own personal playstyle

There's seriously NO REASON that a scum or a town would be more likely to assume that they are being misrepped or just not read in this setup--its multiball

I was calling him scum. You just gave a reason why scum would do it. Do you realize your derp?

Because that would be the logical thing to do for every townie. It's not a personality thing.

Also please quote where you accused me of misrepping you, because I am pretty sure that you didn't and all you kept saying is that "Wisdom is not reading".

And here is Wisdom continuing to make these bad posts

its like so obvious that you found a bad reason to vote mutley and got him flustered and tripped up on it

Why are they bad posts? Because I am not going to let scum accuse me without explaining wtf they are talking about? If that's what you're hoping, I'm sorry but it won't happen.

[Wisdom]

I don't have similar expectations of others to be able to read ferret like I have on you

maybe I'm doing the thing where I make my expectations of you are too high, but I don't think so

that is why I scumread you in that one newbie game, but that was only because you read me wrong, not someone who's alignment is (imo) obvious such as ferret

what about Sora do you want me to look at? He's doing the lurking thing

So your whole thing is "ferret was obvscum in one game, Wisdom caught him, now ferret is obvtown, Wisdom pushes him, Wisdom must be scum. And you want me to believe that this is enough for you to tunnel me till the end of world.
No.
And you still have to explain why ferret is obvtown.

[Wisdom]

what about Sora do you want me to look at? He's doing the lurking thing

Read 354, 382, 383.

[Wisdom]

And you didn't even explain why he's newbtown other than comparing his game to a single scumgame and expecting it to be identical, which is silly.

Now you're misrepping me

I don't expect them to be identical

but I would expect them to feel similar somehow. In 180 Ferret was nervous, worried about how he looked, and uncomfortable

in this game he is much more relaxed and just sort of bumbling around

you seriously don't feel the difference?

this is why ferret is obvtown

but you can keep pressing me on it if you want me to post this post over and over and over and over and over if you want

Okay let me try again.
Why is ferret obvtown OTHER than the difference that

you think

exists between this game and micro 180?

[Wisdom]

Because I obviously meant that the way he was using self-meta was the scummy one. Besides, it was not the only reason I voted him.

[Wisdom]

Ok actually you are right Sora looks really bad with the "blame things on outside life plus this is a favor to the mod" monologue

I'm assuming he's not on your team?

Really? That's what's bad? Not his reads, for instance?

[Wisdom]

Ok actually you are right Sora looks really bad with the "blame things on outside life plus this is a favor to the mod" monologue

I'm assuming he's not on your team?

Really? That's what's bad? Not his reads, for instance?

yes, thats really whats bad

I don't scumread people just because they have shitty reads. Town has shitty reads all the time

You should reread those reads he gave then, because it's not just that they're shitty, it's like he looked for some reasons so that he can post some reads and in some cases he's contradicting his earlier ones.

[Wisdom]

Well not exactly contradicting, but he suddenly became sure I am town despite his doubts on his first reads.

[Wisdom]

(above is correcting 599)

[Wisdom]

You didn't answer about jon though

[Wisdom]

It's not just that, he is doing what he's saying that he's usually doing as scum.

[Wisdom]

ferret everyone would claim VT if we massclaimed, there are no roles other than masons and masons should not out.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, if you're Town, tighten it up a little bit and start pushing your scum reads toward rope.

Can't do if they're avoiding the game. I've said multiple times that I want votes on Sora.

[Wisdom]

Sup Bacde? Why sheeping your scumread now?

[Wisdom]

Yup, activity sucks.

[Wisdom]

Bacde think he's obvtown but he won't tell us why

[Wisdom]

thinks*

[Wisdom]

And you didn't even explain why he's newbtown other than comparing his game to a single scumgame and expecting it to be identical, which is silly.

Now you're misrepping me

I don't expect them to be identical

but I would expect them to feel similar somehow. In 180 Ferret was nervous, worried about how he looked, and uncomfortable

in this game he is much more relaxed and just sort of bumbling around

you seriously don't feel the difference?

this is why ferret is obvtown

but you can keep pressing me on it if you want me to post this post over and over and over and over and over if you want

Okay let me try again.
Why is ferret obvtown OTHER than the difference that

you think

exists between this game and micro 180?

[Wisdom]

You call him obvtown because of one game that you think he was different.
This is flawed because people don't have identical plays in all their games. More so when he started these two games at the same time - he was not going to play exactly the same in both.
You don't tell us why he's obvtown in this game, without comparing it to anything outside this game.

[Wisdom]

If you ignore micro 180 completely, does ferret not seem scum in this game?

[Wisdom]

How is my argument flawed? All you've done is compare his play to 180.

[Wisdom]

What words of yours did I morph/stretch?

[Wisdom]

Also you don't establish meta with one game, ferret.

[Wisdom]

Bacde, was my argument that he's scum because he said "town v scum"? Do you really think that I of all people would make such a generic accusation?
Read properly.

[Wisdom]

No it's an indication of your scumminess. You're trying to argue that I had a bad case on ferret yet you don't even know what it is.

[Wisdom]

You've presented absolutely nothing other than comparing his play to one game and saying it's different.

[Wisdom]

I don't stretch anything there. You said yourself that this is going to be harder than your previous scumgame.

[Wisdom]

No you weren't, you were talking about your scumgame in the above sentence.

[Wisdom]

You weren't talking about your scumgame in the above sentence?

[Wisdom]

That sounds unlikely since it was right after the other one, but whatever.

[Wisdom]

Hey slimer. Who are you replacing?

[Wisdom]

>.>
What's with everyone replacing out this game

[Wisdom]

Same

[Wisdom]

Yup, exactly. There might be scum on the wagon but they don't know if Sora is in the other scum team or town so it doesn't mean anything.

[Wisdom]

So, vote Sora?

[Wisdom]

You won't lynch ferret by yourself. Let's do Sora now.

[Wisdom]

If you're scum, it won't. Because I'm not.
Seriously? Meta? Try and read some of my recent town games and check if I am being this way or not. There has been quite a bit of time since we last played in the same game and my playstyle constantly changes.
If you want me to defend, try and find something related to this game instead of generic meta statements.

As for Sora, the reads he gave, both times, were totally fake. Go and read those.

[Wisdom]

I don't know what mirror you're talking about. That's how I play.
Sora's reads were made up so that he could give some reads. They didn't come from town. I explained so in the post right after he gave his reads.
Also,

I think this charade is staged behind scum. Mainly because quick lynching never helps town.

Quick lynching in page 28?
Don't you think we have much to go on regardless of the flip?

[Wisdom]

Even one post can be enough to lynch someone.
This was enough for me to know ferret is scum in Micro 180.

The rest of your post I have no idea what you're saying, except that Sora is not here to defend himself, to which I will answer that I have been saying that he's scum since he was here. So find something else.

[Wisdom]

I may be wrong a thousand times, I won't be any less confident in my scumhunting the next time.

[Wisdom]

Nope, I am right. Sora is scum, and it's obvious.

[Wisdom]

The two are not to be compared. I was just saying that it

can

happen to catch scum just from one post.
Which slimer wants to argue is impossible.

[Wisdom]

Yup I do believe it, slimer. Sora is scum.

[Wisdom]

If I am wrong, you have to show me why I am wrong instead of trying to undermine me. Like, why is Sora town.

[Wisdom]

Nothing about Sora?

[Wisdom]

Kay, noting this for when he flips scum.

[Wisdom]

slimer, read on Bacde?

[Wisdom]

Dunno, but for me looks like you're bussing your partner more rather than any scenario in other person. Perhaps I need to note this also. What do you think?

No idea why you're getting that idea.
Last time I scumread Sora, he flaked from the game and I was proven right. Allow me to be confident in reading him.

[Wisdom]

If I have to select between you and Nacho, I'm 100% lynching you.
But no, we're lynching Sora.

[Wisdom]

And no it isn't a micro.

[Wisdom]

Nope. You don't get to decide that.

[Wisdom]

Why is he scum?

[Wisdom]

He never misreads me

its as simple as that

So you're never going to make an argument related to this game, I take it? Again meta?

[Wisdom]

UGH WHY DOES EVERYBODY REDUCE MY CASES TO META

ITS THE WAY HE'S ACTING IN THIS GAME THAT MAKES HIM SCUM

THIS ISN'T META THIS IS NACHO BEING SCUM

Your argument is "Nacho usually reads me right, now he didn't read me right".
Which is meta.
Nothing at all about his scum motivation behind some post in this game or anything else.
You did the same about ferret.

[Wisdom]

Ferret was meta.
Wisdom was meta.
Nacho is meta.
You've made no cases that isn't meta this game.

[Wisdom]

And Sora you just sheeped and pointed to a quote that wasn't even scummy to justify it.

[Wisdom]

Your case on me was "You read ferret-scum correctly in another game, now ferret is obvtown due to meta, you're scumreading him again therefore you're scum."
It depends on meta therefore meta.

[Wisdom]

Nacho, you were saying ferret is scum but changed it to town later in your post. Which do you think now?

[Wisdom]

Your case on me was "You read ferret-scum correctly in another game, now ferret is obvtown due to meta, you're scumreading him again therefore you're scum."
It depends on meta therefore meta.

NO MY CASE ON YOU IS THAT YOU PUSHED ON TWO OBVTOWNIES

UGH WISDOM I CANT HANDLE THIS RIGHT NOW CANT YOU SEE IM LCOKED ONTO ANACHO

Yeah, obvtown due to meta (ferret). And Mutley wasn't obvtown back when I accused him so doesn't really matter. You just added him for extra fodder.