Open 499: Friends and Enemies and Enemies (Game Over!)

[Mutleyddmc]

Hey, I have a quick question. Because there's two scum teams, wouldn't it make more sense to keep a useful scummy player, over a useless scummy player? Because, although the useful player has a higher chance of evading a lynch, they can also help scum hunt for the other team. Right? Does that make sense.

The logic behind this question is kinda confusing me. Would you mind rephrasing it?

I get it. To an extent yes, but scum is scum whatever.

[Mutleyddmc]

It makes you and jilynne scum

[Mutleyddmc]

It makes you and jilynne scum

How? Explain your thought process in full for me.

no idea. I got confused by your question

[Mutleyddmc]

Exactly because there are two it makes more sense.
I'll try to explain it more to you:
Say mike is in Scum A.
Scum B know he's not one of them, so they will push for his lynch just like if he was town.
Therefore his wagon will have scum on it.

If there was one scumteam, his wagon would only have scum on it if they decided to bus. While in the above example scum are not bussing, they're just pushing a wagon they know doesn't belong in their team.

this also means my refusal to vote surely puts me in the camp of I'm his scum buddy or town. not scum B

Personally I think you're town scared to vote because of how fast the wagon picked up. I've been there but it has been proven to me that this speed means nothing. Scum can be wagoned as fast as town can. And as I said, this specific setup makes that even more likely.

you got it spot on here tbf

[Mutleyddmc]

Youve made me realize that in this set up the speed of the lynch means mike is probably not a mason. Therefore I will be happier to lynch him now. as its VT or scum. however hes at possibly l-1 or l-2 now?

[Mutleyddmc]

Youve made me realize that in this set up the speed of the lynch means mike is probably not a mason. Therefore I will be happier to lynch him now. as its VT or scum. however hes at possibly l-1 or l-2 now?

He has already claimed "not mason".
And he's at L-1 right now I believe.

did he?

[Mutleyddmc]

just seen it. Hmm intent to hamer

[Mutleyddmc]

Youve made me realize that in this set up the speed of the lynch means mike is probably not a mason.

I already claimed 'not mason', but I suppose that might have gotten burried.

Although if you aren't reading the few posts that I'm making, you're probably not voting me because you think I'm scum.

I retract my previous read on Mutley.

so whats your read on me?

Im not voting you

[Mutleyddmc]

Hey, I have a quick question. Because there's two scum teams, wouldn't it make more sense to keep a useful scummy player, over a useless scummy player? Because, although the useful player has a higher chance of evading a lynch, they can also help scum hunt for the other team. Right? Does that make sense.

The logic behind this question is kinda confusing me. Would you mind rephrasing it?

To put it simply, would you keep a lurker/posts fluff scummy player or a posts content/useful/smart scummy player?

if its between two scum. You keep the more 'useful' one but only for a day.

[Mutleyddmc]

VOTE: mike

bye

[Mutleyddmc]

I'm not 100 percent on you. But you arent a mason so who cares too much.

[Mutleyddmc]

Just following wisdom.

Wanna explain why you suddenly sheeped me after hardtunneling on me?

why didnt you ask this when he voted?

[Mutleyddmc]

I wanted to talk to Mike a bit more...now that he's actually TALKING, but whatever.

shouldnt have voted him then

[Mutleyddmc]

If you aren't lying then damn I will avenge your death. I had refused to vote for so long.

[Mutleyddmc]

Two people who could have easily hammer when you were on 5 votes before. But got swayed by certain others.

[Mutleyddmc]

So you are saying me and slimer caused this lynch and it's not down to your 2 post read on sora. Ill wait for tomorrow to see your great argument

[Mutleyddmc]

Lol. I tried toget you all onto more scummy targets by the end of the day but 5 of you were set on mile and doubt anyone would have moved for the deadline. You are all blaming me for your poor scum read

[Mutleyddmc]

Jilynne is the scummiest scum. She will be my lynch tomorrow. However much I want ferret, wisdom or bacade

[Mutleyddmc]

Jilynne is the scummiest scum. She will be my lynch tomorrow. However much I want ferret, wisdom or bacade

Scum post. Thanks.

Thought you lost motivation to read?

[Mutleyddmc]

Jilynne is the scummiest scum. She will be my lynch tomorrow. However much I want ferret, wisdom or bacade

Ignoring slimer's obvious scumtell completely?
Partners confirmed.

No he's not in the masons

[Mutleyddmc]

4 scum. Jilynne - ferret - wisdom - bacade

[Mutleyddmc]

If you all got off mike if never have had to hammer

[Mutleyddmc]

Jilynne is the scummiest scum. She looks for the easy lynch and tries to think about and put into place chain lynching ideas to give her a free ride through the lynches

[Mutleyddmc]

You still hammered. We had 3 days left, you have no excuse.

You were certain in someone on two posts. Good one. You are probably scum come to think of it. This multiball gives you the perfect excuse to use your town meta of aggressiveness and lots if talk.

Everyone ignoring my mason claim? Look at the scum ignoring it

[Mutleyddmc]

Mutley you are blaming us for you hammering.

You didn't have to hammer.

But you did.

No I'm blaming you all for tunnelling on mike. No one wanted to get off other scum. Once it was obvious he was town after the flip. You all looked at the hammer. Good one. You were all so happy with the hammer when it happened

[Mutleyddmc]

No I am a mason. I'm putting it to you. So that people can go for you jilynne and ferret

[Mutleyddmc]

Lol at all your WIFOM.

[Mutleyddmc]

No one counter claimed I claimed it. VOTE: slimer

[Mutleyddmc]

Well he's well done on drawing the kill.

[Mutleyddmc]

How about nutlets terrible reaction after his hammer yesterday? Thoughts about that?

Think it clears me as mafiascum but not werewolf scum

[Mutleyddmc]

How about nutlets terrible reaction after his hammer yesterday? Thoughts about that?

An elephant never forgets.

When did you become an elephant?

[Mutleyddmc]

How about nutlets terrible reaction after his hammer yesterday? Thoughts about that?

An elephant never forgets.

When did you become an elephant?

Become?

You mean you've always been an elephant?

[Mutleyddmc]

Lol nacho was the last mafia goon. So any buddying is pointless

VOTE: wisdom

You definitely aren't a mason. I'd happily change to ferret though

[Mutleyddmc]

Oh any of you who are town who voted or carrying on voting SLimer after his claim are fucking idiots.

[Mutleyddmc]

After skimming/reading Nacho's ISO he seems to have been buddying me, tbone, and bacde.

wow, that didnt help.

Nachos team is dead. It doesn't matter what you find. You won't find another partner of his. There is none

[Mutleyddmc]

Maybe he thought that he found one of the wolves and tried to lynch one of them.

So it means nothing. Why don't you do the same for tbone etc if that's why you are doing it.

[Mutleyddmc]

Explain how scum whos partner is dead has more knowledge please.

[Mutleyddmc]

We both know your scum.

[Mutleyddmc]

There's minimum 1 wolf in you or ferret

[Mutleyddmc]

Oh shit VOTE: no lynch

[Mutleyddmc]

Last mason him or cheery

[Mutleyddmc]

Fuck no. I was trying to draw the night kill. Slimer obviously picked it up.

Isn't it obvious I'm not the mason or I wouldn't have voted slimer before his claim

[Mutleyddmc]

No one of you and ferret are scum

[Mutleyddmc]

Oh Jilynne I had huge scum read on earlier. So it's you two and her

[Mutleyddmc]

No one of you and ferret are scum

How so?

Quick lynch after a mason claim.......

Come on wisdom

[Mutleyddmc]

He claimed mason. And you didnt even give a chance for someone to clear him. If you were town you would give someone a chance. Either you would get his partner out with him. Or you'd get 2 confirmed town

[Mutleyddmc]

Actually there's no way you are town. I don't care VOTE: wisdom

[Mutleyddmc]

Even if you thought it was fake at least give a partner a chance to come forward. As I said we would have got 2 confirmed town or scum

[Mutleyddmc]

Listen to me ffs. CDog has done nothing so far and jilynne is obviously scum too. Don't fucking let them win like this. I know you're probably affected by the other game that just ended but don't let that get to you.

No I'm looking at clear facts from this game. Plus this is the same act you pulled there yes. So

[Mutleyddmc]

There's only 1 way both of you are town. And that's for both of you to be fucking idiots

[Mutleyddmc]

Ok that was my mistake. But I thought it's too fucking obvious that he's scum. It's not my fault he decided to play exactly like he does as scum and tunnel me to death
Let's not fucking lose the game because of that

I agree with his scummy play I'd probably had voted too. But not after giving a chance for someone to save him.

[Mutleyddmc]

My vote won't get a quick hammer they need two.

[Mutleyddmc]

We have 3 options. You ferret or no lynch. If no lynch. You or ferret are gone tomorrow

[Mutleyddmc]

So we have mason claims from Mutley and slimer
Mutley is voting slimer so obviously they're not masons together
Meaning at least one of them is scum
Who's scummier between the two? slimer.
There's nothing to think about here.

See this
I thought it's either you or him and I believed the real mason is you over him
That's why I was confident slimer is lying out of his ass
I didnt know that youre just drawing nightkills

Well you should have let me confirm. I didnt die that night so there fore I was scum or not mason. No way I could be mason

[Mutleyddmc]

Like I say quicklynching a mason Claim even if its fake is THe stupidest thing a town could have done

[Mutleyddmc]

nutlet seems like scum.

PEdit: it wasn't a quicklynch

How was it not a quick hammer?

[Mutleyddmc]

I can understand. But my point being even if it was fake you should have waited could have drawn his partner out.

[Mutleyddmc]

Yes but why do it without giving a chance for a partner to slip up then? Doesn't matter about confidence etc

[Mutleyddmc]

Yes but you let it at least try and happen. Unlikely as it could be. And if you had you would have got the real mason coming out to save him

[Mutleyddmc]

Thats what I said

[Mutleyddmc]

It's him or cheery dog. If you had waited we would have found out and had much more info than we currently do.

[Mutleyddmc]

Hence why either you or ferret are scum

[Mutleyddmc]

There's no way one of you isn't scum. How you are still alive if you are town I don't know

[Mutleyddmc]

Ferret can't contain the last mason

[Mutleyddmc]

slimer sheeping Bacde's tunnel on me probably proves Bacde is the mason too

This is why I have bacade and cdog from ages ago as last mason

[Mutleyddmc]

Ferret and you are confirmed scum or VT

[Mutleyddmc]

Should we massclaim?

Should we massclaim?

LOLZ. You are so scum no one can be this stupid

[Mutleyddmc]

Mason is basically VT now but he can claim if he wants

[Mutleyddmc]

I'm not the Mason.

No shit

[Mutleyddmc]

Cos his reads are fake. If he's town he's losing us this game. Fuck you jilynne I was so about to vote you when I saw you voted wisdom then you claimed. If we are lynching today we are going ferret. End of story

VOTE: ferret

If he flips town we can all blame him and not ourselves

[Mutleyddmc]

I understand town can be stupid. I've done it many times. To be this stupid the whole game now that's just scum trying to keep up the act

[Mutleyddmc]

I still think you are scum wisdom

[Mutleyddmc]

Anyone thinking its me now needs a slap.

[Mutleyddmc]

When ferret flips scum, ignore all his lists tomorrow. They are so WIFOMy

[Mutleyddmc]

If ferret flips town I'd be surprised someone can be that stupid

[Mutleyddmc]

No one has ever thought you were a mason

[Mutleyddmc]

I will list when I'm not about to go sleep. Ferret has to go. I don't care for figuring out if wisdom or bacade are his partners. But ferret is scum

[Mutleyddmc]

You are the worst townie ever then

[Mutleyddmc]

I will list when I'm not about to go sleep. Ferret has to go. I don't care for figuring out if wisdom or bacade are his partners. But ferret is scum

Is Cheery not an option?

Yes but I'd rather get to all that shit tomorrow. Ferret is it. He's either the worst VI ever. Or scum. I think he's been too much VI to be VI like he's rolled with it and played with it.

[Mutleyddmc]

unless that was to ferret

Ferret

[Mutleyddmc]

At least you got mike.

[Mutleyddmc]

If ferret is town and you aren't wisdom I will lynch you every game from now on. This seems so your scum game. Just to let you know I'm leaning you tomorrow

[Mutleyddmc]

You know why

[Mutleyddmc]

You do.

[Mutleyddmc]

This is your scum game

[Mutleyddmc]

Yes I have. Why did you unvote?

[Mutleyddmc]

That was the hammer

[Mutleyddmc]

Please don't be VI ferret

[Mutleyddmc]

How do you know we lost?

[Mutleyddmc]

Me you bacade and jilynne

[Mutleyddmc]

Lol bacde is scum with cheery

[Mutleyddmc]

This is clear scum trolling the win.

[Mutleyddmc]

If he bussed he bussed badly

[Mutleyddmc]

We all know I break down after a hammer. I'm happy cos either we got scum or we got fucked over by a huge huge huge VI

[Mutleyddmc]

We just have to wait. It seems more troll scum to me

[Mutleyddmc]

You did it as in you killed him. Cheers for confirming our loss

[Mutleyddmc]

Stop trolling congrats on your win. Ferret you need to not be a huge huge VI all the time

[Mutleyddmc]

Stop it. Congrats. Douche

[Mutleyddmc]

I'm calling you a douche for being scum. Not the way you're acting

[Mutleyddmc]

Lol douche. I blame ferret

[Mutleyddmc]

And he's basically admitting to it being the win.

Blame ferret for being the worst VI ever and I've seen some bad ones

[Mutleyddmc]

Wisdom other scum

[Mutleyddmc]

Yep I wanted it at first too. Ah fuck. Well played guys. Ferret fuck you. I would have had wisdom big time

[Mutleyddmc]

No I noticed actually how you quick hammered and your pedit unvote was so scum theatre

[Mutleyddmc]

Just realised ferret and wisdom two townies did a great job of lynching a mason. Good job guys. Way to go. You were both that stupid. Especially ferret

[Mutleyddmc]

You get leeway as I understood your side of it. As stated earlier. However I seriously can't believe ferret did it aswell

[Mutleyddmc]

I think VI is being unfair to VI's

[Mutleyddmc]

I don't argue the reasons for lynching slimer. I argue the quickness of it. At least give it a chance.Could have got a MI like ferret come out and out himself too. Unlikely but worth the risk

[Mutleyddmc]

@Everyone else. All you people who fake-claimed Masons are bad and should feel bad. I bet if people weren't faking claiming Mason left, right, and center, when Slimer DID actually claim it, it might have held more weight.

I should sorry for that also, but essentially I tried to protect Masons because Muttley rolefishing at the twilight. (If he didn't, I wouldn't also) I thought it would be better if one or two teams hit a VT rather than Masons. I will think this in the future. Any way, I already claimed as VT in page 1.

I don't want to ended up as VT again.

You're sucks KBW, and I still think of that.

You WANT crumbs to be found.

Sometimes crumbs are too easy to find, even mafia can find it, so... that is hardcore crumbs though. But by PoE of votes, I can find the last mason.

Still good game, and thanks to KBW for mod this.

I was trying to do what you did and draw the NK