Open 499: Friends and Enemies and Enemies (Game Over!)

[Wisdom]

I know but I didnt think that was necessary. I was confident he is scum. It's not scum motivation. It's my confidence.

[Wisdom]

If he was scum, his partner would not claim mason to protect him. That would be stupid since if either of them flipped, the other would be confirmed scum.

[Wisdom]

Wait
If you arent the mason
ferret obviously isnt the mason because he hammered slimer
That means the last mason is probably Bacde

[Wisdom]

Yes but you let it at least try and happen. Unlikely as it could be. And if you had you would have got the real mason coming out to save him

Yeah except I didnt think about all this. Since the beginning of the day, or rather, since the previous day, I was absolutely certain slimer is scum. All I wanted was to lynch him.

[Wisdom]

Dude yeah, I realize that now, but I didnt stop to think about all this at that time.

[Wisdom]

I just figured, it's either Mutley or slimer. Who is mason and who is scum? Obviously Mutley is mason and slimer is scum. That's about it.

[Wisdom]

Hence why either you or ferret are scum

Thats still not certain. Nothing rules out the possibility that ferret just thought slimer was scum anyway and hammered him.
Although I'll agree that ferret does not have the experience I have with slimer.
So you could be right.
Still, we don't know for sure yet.

[Wisdom]

I do know.
I caught a mafia D1, so werewolves figured let's keep him alive so he can catch the other one too.
As for Nacho, he knows how much I tunnel on the wrong people and get them lynched, so he'd never kill me.

[Wisdom]

All I know right now is that jilynne is most certainly scum.

{Bacde, Cdog, ferret} contains the last scum and the last mason.
My guess is Bacde is the last mason and Cdog the last scum, although it could be ferret.

[Wisdom]

slimer sheeping Bacde's tunnel on me probably proves Bacde is the mason too

[Wisdom]

But I dont get why Bacde - mason with slimer and jon - would tunnel on me so bad because I pushed Mutley and ferret.

[Wisdom]

It would make much more sense if one of those were masons with Bacde, but no

[Wisdom]

VOTE: startransmission

votes for ferretlover are also cool

what was the reasoning behind this?

This probably means its not Cdog too

[Wisdom]

VOTE: startransmission

votes for ferretlover are also cool

This is your only post so far. Are you going to participate in this game and scum hunt, and maybe explain your reasoning?

I'd rather not have cryptic votes where the voter just disappears.

This too

[Wisdom]

Theres nothing to massclaim about
The last mason could claim I guess, the rest are VTs/scum

[Wisdom]

I just ISO'ed her and voted off based what I'm used to with her normal towngame;

I have a normal towngame?
Btw Nacho a meta vote on me is pretty nonsensical seeing as I've never been scum,

so I'm not sure how can you draw a comparison to what my town game is when there is no contrast to it (yet).

Also why did you iso me in particular?

this is pretty dumb. if you are not playing to your town game as nacho suggests, then this is a contrast to it.

however I'm baffled by how Nacho expects us to pick up on this. I was expecting some sort of scumslip from it.

This is a little weird, but maybe Mac was just trying to tell her she's dumb and not actually mean anything more.

[Wisdom]

Bacde, you look to have history with Wisdom,and ferret.
You

seem

like you might be an asset to Town. Welcome

Thats weird too

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Bacde

Bacde first replaced in, asked about the setup, went and looked for it. Found it, read it and commented on finding it. Read the whole thread (twenty two pages at that time). Analyzed it, and then made a longish post all in just a half hour? MBF took that much time to do three pages.

I think he's scum trying to make us think he didn't know the setup so that we'd assume he's Town. The last time I saw someone calling for a 1v1 it was scum doing it. That doesn't make Bacde scum, just makes me skeptical of 1v1s.

okay wtf
nope Bacde isnt the mason

[Wisdom]

Then again maybe he just did it to make it less obvious
He did unvote him easily

[Wisdom]

I found some more stuff, but I'll save it till after we have the mason claiming.

[Wisdom]

jilynne.
There are 6 people alive.
2 are scum.
This is mylo.
If we lynch town, we lose.
What will do is no-lynch.

Also, I didn't hammer. So unless you're done sheeping Mutley's every word, I want your reasons for suspecting me.
Also, you are claiming you're not the last mason, right?

[Wisdom]

if you're done*

[Wisdom]

We'll see.
Are you claiming not mason too?

[Wisdom]

Well, do.

[Wisdom]

I believe it too.
And that makes it harder because I really liked to think we had a certain scum in jilynne.
Now its prolly ferret and Cdog.

[Wisdom]

And I believed it the moment I saw "think about it Wisdom, maybe some VI will be outted by Mutley". She was reffering to slimer, of course.
That's what I found and didn't say, since I wanted her to claim first to be sure.

[Wisdom]

Okay, we don't nolynch today.
We'll treat jilynne as confirmed town, unless Bacde wants to argue that he's the mason instead, which I don't think he will.
jilynne, why did you want to quicklynch me?

[Wisdom]

Any combination of {Cdog, ferret, Bacde} is possible.

[Wisdom]

I think a no-lynch today would be the best idea.

Are you stupid?

[Wisdom]

Well first of all we'll wait for Bacde and for Cdog to give some input.
I find ferret most scummy right now.

[Wisdom]

jilynne weren't you just saying that the hammer on slimer was absolutely scummy?
What changes that to "VI"?

[Wisdom]

ISO ferret in this game. He was what someone would call, too scummy to be scum, but he was scum. He's just too scummy when he is scum.

[Wisdom]

ferret what are your reads right now?

[Wisdom]

I'm starting to think that the scumslip I caught ferret on earlier was legit after all.
And if I recall it was Bacde who kept defending it.
Yeah, I see ferret/Bacde as very likely.
I'll go read that again.

[Wisdom]

Yeah, ferret/Bacde is what I'm seeing here.

[Wisdom]

Bacde's out of nowhere tunneling on me
Bacde's obsession that ferret is obvtown for some reason (clearly not)
Bacde's stupid argument with Nacho that looked stupid from both sides (mafia vs wolf, anyone?)

[Wisdom]

Yeah we're not no-lynching anymore, Cdog.

[Wisdom]

Well please do soon, because we need your input.

[Wisdom]

I'd be happy with a Sora lynch.

VOTE: SoraAdvent

SK?

Shuzzafuckup

Anyways, I think that a Sora/mike lynch would give us the most information for D2.

Wow I didn't even notice that soda was at l-1

I feel that the slot is null leaning town for me.

I haven't a clue who to vote now.

UnVOTE:

VOTE: mike

L-2

Just look at this progression.
First he likes the lynch, then the slot is null-town, then he likes the lynch again.
This is no way this comes from a VI, jilynne. It's stupid scum play, too stupid, but still scum play.

[Wisdom]

I feel that baddest/frog could very well be the scum team.

VOTE: Bacde

I want you to make a list from scummiest to towniest.

[Wisdom]

Yes. Do you think it's a coincidence he votes him right after I declare that I suspect them?

[Wisdom]

And he doesn't even try to defend, he just votes Bacde.
How do you interpret that?

[Wisdom]

that he can't figure out how to defend bacde. LOL~

No he doesnt even try to defend himself.

[Wisdom]

Cdog
Bacde
Wisdom
Jily
Mut

Did I miss anyone

So Cdog is scummier than Bacde?
Why are you voting Bacde then?

[Wisdom]

Yeah except I want to win, not lose and blame ferret.

But I agree that he's the only lynch I can see for today.

Still, we'll wait for Bacde and for Cdog to provide input.

[Wisdom]

yeah right

[Wisdom]

Cheery, what are your reads?
ferret and who else?

[Wisdom]

So both Bacde and Cdog attack ferret.
It makes sense that whoever it is would bus ferret given his play
But it makes me paranoid
What if its somehow Bacde/Cheery

[Wisdom]

So what happened to "ferret is obvtown", Bacde?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: bacde

[Wisdom]

your play is nothing your townplay, fuck this.

[Wisdom]

nothing like*

[Wisdom]

yeah everything i say is a scumtell

[Wisdom]

Ferret actually looks really bad to me now. Based on the conjecture of Wisdom, Ferret put me as his #1 choice for likely mason (I'm obviously not mason, by the way). But after Jilynne claims, he has me as his number one choice for scum? When Wisdom suggested the idea that the scum was Bacde/Ferret, Ferret doesn't question Wisdom any further or tell him that the team is wrong, or wonder about it. He just sorta... votes me. Ferret definitely looks like a nervous scum who doesn't know what to do. Also its weird to me that he's attacking me after I defended him on d1. It looks like he just doesn't know where else he can feasibly vote without looking suspicious and it comes across as really awkward, artificial and not thought out.

come at me scum

lol

did you think bussing your buddy today would work? real question

You dont fucking do this when I express a suspicion that it MIGHT be you and Cheery.
You went back to stating I am scum when you reply, ignoring the fact that your contradiction regarding ferret is obvious.
I will not buy this.

[Wisdom]

Im not lynching anyone until Bacde dies

[Wisdom]

Seriously?
Am I the one going "You are scum doing this and that" in every post I make?
Cmon Bacde. I have seen you tunneling on me, you didn't do it like that. You were at least trying to understand my thought process, trying to see if maybe you were wrong.
Now you just spam "Hi scum, come at me scum, youre scum doing this, scum scum scum". No. Just no.

ferret's vote on you doesn't clear you in any way, in fact it makes things worse. Just after I mention it's Bacde/ferret he votes you, as if to say "no look im voting him, change your opinion"
I do see ferret as your most likely partner. "No sorry you dont?" What about you calling him obvtown when he was obviously scummy? What about that disappearing today (yet youre still not voting him)?
Sure you dont.

And wow "but you said you had townpoints on me, why do you scumread me again".
Really?

[Wisdom]

ferret why is Bacde your top scumread?
Reasons.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom is scum for sure

Repeating it won't make it true

[Wisdom]

bacde and cdog seems likely IMO

Why?

[Wisdom]

Except you have pointed absolutely no scummy things.
You just quote everything I say and say "Scum".
Nope.

[Wisdom]

because im not scum, youre not scum, mut isn't scum, and jily isnt scum

Why am I not scum? Why is Mutley not scum?

[Wisdom]

HOW WOULD I EVER BE CONVINCED OF YOU BEING TOWN IF I WAS SCUM AND MAKING IT UP

No idea what you're saying here
You are scum, and you're making it up.

[Wisdom]

The only "scummy" thing you pointed out was my push on OBVTOWN ferret
Who suddenly is not so OBVTOWN anymore

Im done here. If you guys want to lynch someone that isn't Bacde, then do it without me.

[Wisdom]

bacde v. wisdom is not scum distancing.

bacde is scum

so wisdom isnt

Yeah but why is Bacde scum?

[Wisdom]

Or it would actually make sense for me scumreading you because you defended an ultra scummy ferret.

My tone is completely fine.

And lol at you considering that a case.

[Wisdom]

And ofc I pushed Mutley too because he was also scummy when I pushed him.

[Wisdom]

My case is
a) you defended ferret, the scummiest person in the game, calling him obvtown even and scumreading me for thinking he's scum.
b) you tunneled on me out of nowhere when you of all people should know that you should not do that after being so wrong twice and losing games because of that
c) your obvtown read on ferret disappears when the town wants to lynch ferret in mylo
d) you are nothing like your town self, you just quote things and keep spamming scum scum scum scum
e) ferret's vote on you right after I say it's ferret/Bacde shows you're his partner and he's trying to say "no guys look im voting him, we're not partners"
f) Your push on Nacho was absolute shit, and so was Nacho's on you. Since Nacho was mafia, it makes sense that it was Mafia vs wolf.

[Wisdom]

bacde stfu while we lynch you

Why is Bacde scum? Stop dodging.

[Wisdom]

its like you came at me outta nowhere

yeah *I* came out of nowhere
I was even willing to believe you're the last mason before I realized it's jilynne.

[Wisdom]

YOUR POINTS A-E ARE CRAP AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A CASE

Sorry but my points are completely valid, and calling them crap will not change that.

[Wisdom]

MY PUSH ON NACHO WAS FREAKING AWESOME HOLY SHIT

HONESTLY I WANT TO CALL MYSELF CONFIRMED TOWN FOR THAT

You are aware that wolves scumhunt for Mafia as much as town, yes?

[Wisdom]

Bacde is trying to act as if he is confident which is what townies should be.

he is also vote-parking

wtf does that mean

[Wisdom]

b) you tunneled on me out of nowhere when you of all people should know that you should not do that after being so wrong twice and losing games because of that

like this point is so bad

Wisdom--if you actually believed this you'd be thinking a bit more than you are now before you started FLIPPING OUT about me

Think what? That you're a complete idiot? Seriously if by some miracle you flip town I'm not playing with you again ever. I'm tired of this.

[Wisdom]

In 0.9 seconds?
Seriously?
I fucking ISO'd everyone with slimer and jon to realize who is the last mason.
I was practically sure that it's you and that jilynne is scum until I saw that post of jilynne that made it obvious she knew slimer was a mason.
Then I returned to thinking that the scum are in {you, ferret, Cheery}. I didn't even call you confirmed scum, my first thoughts were that it's ferret and Cheery, go back and read, I stated that.
Then I tried to read again and remembered how you defended ferret, and realized that Bacde/ferret is actually more likely
But I still found ferret the most scummy
And then you come in and go "Wisdom scum scum scum scum scum" all over again.
And I am the one who reaches out and 180s in 0.9 seconds?
Please.

[Wisdom]

Tired is not what you did when you were convinced I was scum in previous games

why are you acting differently?

Probably because it was not the fucking third time in a row.

[Wisdom]

Mutley's not confirmed

[Wisdom]

I will list when I'm not about to go sleep. Ferret has to go. I don't care for figuring out if wisdom or bacade are his partners. But ferret is scum

Is Cheery not an option?

[Wisdom]

wtf
Why?

[Wisdom]

unless that was to ferret

[Wisdom]

VOTE: ferret
Fine, I have to agree with that. VIs don't play like this. It's too much even for a VI.

[Wisdom]

Why the hell are you leaning me?

[Wisdom]

No I dont

[Wisdom]

The only reason you gave was my lack of unvote when slimer claimed, which I explained to you.

[Wisdom]

Also how is this my scum game? Have you seen my town game to compare?

pedit
UNVOTE:

[Wisdom]

Then explain to me how this is my scumgame

pedit
Seriously? Then we lost

[Wisdom]

Who else had voted ferret besides you?

[Wisdom]

fuck cheery had
I didnt even remember that

[Wisdom]

Not jilynne, cheery had voted him

[Wisdom]

Bacde's vote is obviously a quickhammer.
Either he's scum with Cheery and he just won, or he just bussed ferret.
I really hope it's the latter but doubt it

[Wisdom]

shit
Anyway I dont think either of us would lynch Cheery over ferret in the final mylo so if its Bacde/Cheery we'd lose anyway

[Wisdom]

Bacde's bullshit makes me hope it was bus rather than win with Cheery
Let's hope

[Wisdom]

yeah its trolling actually
whatever, like i said we wouldnt win

[Wisdom]

I know Bacde, thats why I was certain you're scum. You wouldn't be that big of a jerk to do that to me.
Gratz, you can thank ferret

[Wisdom]

[Wisdom]

Are you guys insane?
I was not scum, it's Bacde/Cheery.

[Wisdom]

I just smiled at Bacde continuing to troll.

[Wisdom]

You cant be this stupid really
Why the fuck wouldnt we quickhammer all this time and risk someone unvoting?
I didnt even know if Bacde is still online when I voted
Hell I didnt even know that I was putting him at L-1, I had forgotten Cheery's vote

[Wisdom]

The Dog was actually a Wolf at first
Radioactive Wolf
I should know that's a Wolf

[Wisdom]

cant do that :/

[Wisdom]

Dont really care about anything; I was right about mike, I was right about DBK (even though I stopped pushing when Nacho took over), and I was right about you.
I blame ferret for being a huge VI and slimer for being terrible once again.
Although it is partly my mistake for not allowing people to confirm slimer as mason. Maybe things would be different.

[Wisdom]

Yeah me too

[Wisdom]

well thats not how you play town, ferret.

[Wisdom]

Its not only the reads, really.

[Wisdom]

Cheery is right, dead dont post before the flip

[Wisdom]

wtf Cheery
seriously now?
Its not you and Bacde?

[Wisdom]

WHAT?
You were the mason?
Then youre an idiot. I told you to fucking claim.

[Wisdom]

Actually I was the mason

[Wisdom]

Ooh, makes sense.

[Wisdom]

Whatever

[Wisdom]

ferret was a VI in general

[Wisdom]

yes
and i was the third mafia

[Wisdom]

^Mutley didnt die in endgame
He secretly won too

[Wisdom]

And slimer, now you'll hopefully learn that I

can

figure out scum from 1-2 posts and not suspect me for such crap next time.

[Wisdom]

Well don't tunnel on me like that without doing anything else.
I'll assume you're scum.
That makes more sense?

[Wisdom]

Also...
You are at L-1.
I expect you to claim.
I think "this is Slimer, he will probably exit in a trolling way. What can he do? He will prolly claim Mason for the lulz. Maybe if hes lucky he will out the masons too"
Then you post this:

Sigh.. Would it be too cliché for me to say Mason?

which fucking confirms my thoughts because nobody seriously claims their serious role like this.

[Wisdom]

lol why?
Claim mason normally, Jilynne can confirm you!
Better for the two masons to be outed than lynch a mason!

[Wisdom]

Good in general.
But yeah, you need more frequent VCs and the deadline in the VCs instead of in separate posts.

Also don't use these rules about self-votes or fluff; both are part of the game.

[Wisdom]

Also change the title to Game over, because it still says Day 3

[Wisdom]

Wanna share that QT with us?

[Wisdom]

>.>
Don't get obsessed next time

[Wisdom]

LOOL
AWESOME
THANKS!!!!!