Open 501: Stacking the Deck of Power (Game Over)

[Mutleyddmc]

VOTE: havingfitz

Go have a fit elsewhere please

[Mutleyddmc]

Youre boring you didn't even give a reason for a random vote!!

[Mutleyddmc]

VOTE: sakura

Cos I want to pressure her

[Mutleyddmc]

Probably not

[Mutleyddmc]

UNVOTE: Nachomamma8
VOTE: Mutleyddmc

Scum here!!!! voting me cos I vote scum buddy!

[Mutleyddmc]

Tierce attacking me because I am onto sakura!! the Scum buddies

[Mutleyddmc]

Won't be too exciting.

[Mutleyddmc]

No you asked a question first.

[Mutleyddmc]

Cos I decided she was

[Mutleyddmc]

Why is Sakura Hana scum, Mutleyddmc?

Is this why you voted Mutley in the first place? Because you assumed Mutley thought Sakura was scum at that time?

@Mutley:

When

did you decide Sakura was scum, and

why

did you decide she was scum?

I didnt like the interaction with having fitz. Decided she was scum then.

[Mutleyddmc]

I like pressure.

[Mutleyddmc]

I meant I like pressure on myself!!

[Mutleyddmc]

Because I didnt like it.

[Mutleyddmc]

Gut feel

[Mutleyddmc]

Its fun DBK.

[Mutleyddmc]

What question did I take long to answer?

[Mutleyddmc]

Thats my own statement not a question

[Mutleyddmc]

Its my way of life???

[Mutleyddmc]

Plus its early on. I have no idea who is scum.

[Mutleyddmc]

Actually it does havingfitz, maybe you should re-read them.

@DBK:

My bad,

for some reason i thought this was a 9 player game (5 to lynch) then went over it again and noticed it's actually 7 to lynch, so it wouldn't hurt to move my vote over there.
VOTE: Nacho
Other than that tho, doesn't that relieve all pressure off him at this point?

The bold italic and underline bit made me think you are scum

[Mutleyddmc]

Saying My bad is a huge scumtell!

[Mutleyddmc]

Lol if people meta me you will think I am town that's just stupid. I am generally a dry person which means I come across scummy. I find it weird if people don't pick up on it. However everyone here sort of did. Syrana picked up that I do scum hunt too. That's true much later on though. My 'reaction' tests as you call it aren't that brilliant but also don't last 2 seconds. The one as a few hav epochs dip on is Chen. The fact that he voted me but for no real reason or questioning to me seems like a scum hiding behind the easiest vote. Therefore

VOTE: Chen

[Mutleyddmc]

What are confusing about my reactions?

[Mutleyddmc]

I didnt ask you.

[Mutleyddmc]

Meta is not neccassarily stuipid. Meta of me is. You will only decide I am town from it because I act this way in everything not just this game.

[Mutleyddmc]

I would never personally meta someone, but can understand why people would. It can apply to me if you want it to, but if you read old games of mine especially this early on, it won't be too dissimilar and you will get town vibes off me. Fine by me, but from your perspective it would be rather rash and short sighted

[Mutleyddmc]

Why do you think that about me DBK?

[Mutleyddmc]

Kiss me?

[Mutleyddmc]

seems perfectly normal to me

[Mutleyddmc]

This is mine!

[Mutleyddmc]

Sorry havent posted much you all seem to be getting along. Whats AtE?

[Mutleyddmc]

Sounds like shit talk to me

[Mutleyddmc]

Happy Scum day nacho

[Mutleyddmc]

Aha you admit it is a hapyp day. Ergo scum

[Mutleyddmc]

Why do people think my native language isnt english. It is. I am just a really poor typer. I type quicker than I should!

[Mutleyddmc]

Is laz a jester?

[Mutleyddmc]

Obvious troll is obvious

[Mutleyddmc]

Is laz a jester?

Aaaand there goes my Townread on you.

Questionable logic is one thing. Self-effacing behavior another--but now you're playing dumb.

DuMB?? -P:

[Mutleyddmc]

Prodded‼ I have been reading. I just dont really have much to say. Would be happy with a fitz, chen or laz lynch

[Mutleyddmc]

VOTE: laz

Scummiest player

[Mutleyddmc]

Would be happy with a fitz,

chen or laz

lynch

You're welcome

Seriously....wtf?

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I seriously don't even know what to say at the moment. I feel a few days out of sync because of RL and I'm not even sure what the case on me is other than people don't think my suspicions of Sakura were warranted.

Does anyone thinking of voting me have any questions for me?

Would anyone voting me care to explain why? I know I asked a few people already but I'm not sure if anyone answered. I'll look after this post.

Just because you defended me doesn't mean I can't find you scum

[Mutleyddmc]

People getting cold feet. Don't vote someone if you don't want to get them at L-1 or hammered

[Mutleyddmc]

No they can. I felt there was no reason to for them to have changed their mind in this case. Other than being possible scum buddies

[Mutleyddmc]

I don't know. I reckon one of them is scum likely tierce

[Mutleyddmc]

Yay vote Chen everyone

[Mutleyddmc]

Where is that quote of chens Tierce. Is it from another game cos you are confusing me

[Mutleyddmc]

Where is that quote of chens Tierce. Is it from another game cos you are confusing me

It's from the game I linked earlier.

And Tierce, that's all good and well, but I sort of hoped you'd bring something more interesting to the table. I guess I'll just keep reading your scumgames while I impatiently wait for Christmas morning... Don't bring me socks, Tierce. Bring me glory.

Less confused now.

Everyone should be voting Chen

[Mutleyddmc]

/mac now

[Mutleyddmc]

Lol I forgot I changed to Laz!!!

fuck it have my vote nacho

VOTE: syryana

[Mutleyddmc]

I have no clue what is going on

[Mutleyddmc]

What do you colours mean Tierce?

[Mutleyddmc]

I mean why did you colour them, was it because chens town reads were on the wagon he said didnt feel right?

[Mutleyddmc]

Should I use my day cop abilities now? to confirm if chen/mac is scum?

[Mutleyddmc]

From my pants

[Mutleyddmc]

What are you talking aobut. Where did what come from?

[Mutleyddmc]

page 5

• a bit confused by Mutley here... surely you want people to townread you from your meta? this is like the complete opposite of self-metaing and it's threw me a curveball here. admitting your meta isn't solid is... different. reads kinda town.
  
• 103 - I don't think this is what Mutley said but the saga has left me confused.

Havent actually read back to page 5. But I thin kwhat I mean when I talk about metaing me, is that I play every game dependant on mood not alignment etc. Which is normally as you know very one linerish and just a little trollling, sometimes I can be quite useful and do some very good scumhunting. Therefore if you meta me you will normally think oh this is similar to how he played in that game 10012324. He flipped town there. So he is likely town here. I am saying that is a bad point to do because I can easily be like this as scum too.

List tag fixed. (Equinox)

[Mutleyddmc]

I have day cop abilities Tierce. Want me to use them?

[Mutleyddmc]

I love how everyone is ignoring the fact that Mutley's claiming day cop and there's no day cop in the sample role pms.

Finally lets talk about it. I do have day cop abilities though.

[Mutleyddmc]

I have day cop abilities Tierce. Want me to use them?

Jesus Christ.

Okay then. Let's call your obvious lie's bluff. Use your damn DCop abilities. Oh wait, you can't.

There's a difference between inexperience and flat-out bad trolling which achieves nothing and pisses everyone off. If you're going to troll, at least claim something actually plausible.

Ok, got to put the names in bowls for my dog to sniff out. He is wearing a little cop hat too. Lets see whose bowl he eats first.

[Mutleyddmc]

Well I didnt realise I wasnt actualyl voting Chen. Thought he still had a few votes on him but everyone including me had jumped on. Deadline was soon, so I jumped aboard the wago nacho wanted

[Mutleyddmc]

How the fuck is there no votes on Chenoan?

Remind me to actually check the VC's.

This I thought my vote and a few others were on him/ now mac. Then when I checked I saw so went to syr

[Mutleyddmc]

VOTE: TSO

dog liked you bowl man

[Mutleyddmc]

VOTE: TSO

dog liked you bowl man

So your Day Cop got me as scum?

lol

The dog decided. His powers have been used

disclaimer: dog is not always right. He usually picks the closest bowl

[Mutleyddmc]

Wow that's really embarrassing for you fitz. You spent all that time talking about my clear joke claim. I even said that I had my dog do something to get my result

[Mutleyddmc]

Oh god. I really shouldn't answer you but ill humour you. I claimed a role that isn't even in the game. Clear joke. If I claimed a role in the game then maybe you have a point. Can you not keep a joke up with the vote? It's a clear joke cos I said a dog was the cop and be told me the result. With a disclaimer that he can be wrong. Clear joke. I'm ashamed I've given you the time. But hey I'm bored, also vote is on TSO due to the joke. I feel like voting you due to your stupidity but I'm leaving it on TSO cos I can't decide yet

[Mutleyddmc]

I can't decide if its your stupidity. Or you are trying to create some case on something to get us off your lynch. If its stupidity ill give you a town read. If I decide its the latter you will get my vote.

[Mutleyddmc]

who thinks fitz is being stupid? Who thinks fitz is doing it for some other reason?

[Mutleyddmc]

Agree Sakura. Intent to hammer.

[Mutleyddmc]

I want to call Sakura "Sakuna Matata"...because everytime I see her name that's what my mind is translating it to.

So while I would admit Mutley has been a bit annoying in here, a quick look over some of his other games shows as no surprise....he likes short posts (but is capable of more thoughtful content) and he apparently likes to be annoying.  And he's in the middle of a 5 person speed wagon that I predict has a scum or two on it. 

@DBK...why is only voting to pressure someone a question for you?  If my interaction with Sakura was enough then aside from Mutley not stating that (until many teeth were removed)...doesn't an additional vote provide pressure?  And it seems to be what Sakura herself was advocating when she questioned me on my Syryana vote and then (for what I assume is the "pressure") her subsequent vote on Nacho.  And what of Tierce's vote on Mutley in Post 29?

And speaking of Tierce...wtf is "poor rationale" regarding my vote on Sakura.  It's a serious vote.  You should ISO her...her play so far speaks for itself.  Read her exchange with me about her questioning my vote on Syryana and tell me she doesn't trip all over herself trying to get out of the spotlight.  And IMO the Mutley vote on her is much less opportunistic (as you accuse him of) then the votes on his wagon.

This guy meta'd me early in where he stated I liked to act annoying etc. yet now I did a clear annoying fake day claim surely you would have been consistent with your meta of me. Clutching at straws much to save yourself. Good one. Tammy that's a really bad unvote right now

[Mutleyddmc]

I expected more of you nacho than to acknowledge my TSO vote.

Anyway it's fitz mac or syr for me. Fitz more likely seems like one last ditch effort to save the slot IMO

[Mutleyddmc]

whos hare-brain?

[Mutleyddmc]

Take a wild guess.

definitely not me

[Mutleyddmc]

No to no lynches kids

VOTE: syrana

Just say no

[Mutleyddmc]

When I first voted. And now I really don't want a no lynch. I'd still prefer a fitz slot scum

[Mutleyddmc]

VOTE: mac

Sakura tierce has to vote someone else as syrana is dead

[Mutleyddmc]

Prodded, this game has got rather still. Lets just vote chen/mac and get on with it

[Mutleyddmc]

I was in a different game where the same thing occured.
Mac was also in it.

In that game, the two scumpartners called each other scum with another person who was the same for both. Both then went for that person. dragonfly is that person in that game.

Urggh. We have the insurance of a Vigi, anyway.

Vote: dragonfly

Tammy I can't see as being scum
Tierce is viable scum, just because I'm wary of her for 1 or 2 things.

So scum is dragon and NS?

[Mutleyddmc]

I mean if it was true though. Who would be scum in that theory, I'm getting confused

[Mutleyddmc]

Oh but you went drgon fly?

[Mutleyddmc]

God this game is so obvious that Chen/ Mac is scum

[Mutleyddmc]

i did post yesterday but I can't remember what I said.

I think the foundations of it were "what the hell is that Klick vote?" and "what the hell is Mutley doing?"

I'll get to this game tonight after work.

Something to do with me poppig in calling your slot scum all the time. Thats cos scum is scum

[Mutleyddmc]

I got a brief case, and you are still scum

[Mutleyddmc]

I wish I could read mutely

[Mutleyddmc]

I'm going to hammer in 2minutes

[Mutleyddmc]

Lol not really

[Mutleyddmc]

I will hammer without a claim, dependant on the mood. My mood is obviously not to right now as I wouldnt have told you I was going to do it in 2 minutes

[Mutleyddmc]

Me either, its fun though.

[Mutleyddmc]

I just said I won't.

[Mutleyddmc]

VOTE: tierce

You are scum I don't need to reason yet

[Mutleyddmc]

Because I don't want to reveal why yet.

[Mutleyddmc]

I have to review the fact that the vig is fucking useless.

[Mutleyddmc]

Tierce is scum. Because there's no way tierce would still be alive as town

[Mutleyddmc]

Mafia can't get the quick lynch from my 1 vote. I'm still happy for it to be where it is. So ill leave it

[Mutleyddmc]

I don't think the PRs are that usefull at the moment in lylo hiding, so it doesn't matter if mafia seem to be outing them, they don't need to kill them they just need a mislynch.

I'm the bodyguard.

[Mutleyddmc]

I'm just saying I am the body guard, you all do what you want. I don't see the need for my role to be hidden right now

[Mutleyddmc]

tbf I would have killed mac! for chens actions

[Mutleyddmc]

I went to protect nacho I chose tierce night 1 and 2. I thought the scum might be clever and leave nacho the first night

[Mutleyddmc]

Why no claim scum?

[Mutleyddmc]

Lol so one of you two is lying

[Mutleyddmc]

Oh no wait sorry, not yet. but very likely

[Mutleyddmc]

Well not quite yet as I said. But with 2 scum left. 2 PR claims. There can only be a max of 2 VTs. thats also if scum didnt pick any powers

[Mutleyddmc]

If we mislynch you have to shoot too is what Tammy is saying. They've prob got a strongman though. And Tammy knows this. I'm happy with Tammy or tierce atm

[Mutleyddmc]

so at least 1 of you 3 is scum guranteed.

[Mutleyddmc]

They shouldn't have claimed in that format, but 1) spilled milk and 2) going first in that way makes them Town regardless of anything else. Too ballsy for scum who could have been CC'd by several others.

Not waiting for TSO at this point, my role is irrelevant for his claim regardless of his alignment. VT.

If we no lynch, we're in LyLo Tomorrow either way, so there's no point in that. Mislynch absolutely requires vigging, and lynching correctly leaves us at 4v1 entering Night. Shoot regardless of whether we hit the Traitor Today, because that'll put us at 2v1 Tomorrow.

So: we're lynching and vigging, whatever the flip.

I have three days on the road ahead of me, so if you don't want me just talking to myself, please to be providing yourselves as soundboards from tomorrow on. Klick, why am I still utterly invisible to you?

How do you know there is a traitor and thye havent been moved to goon?

[Mutleyddmc]

Actually right now what we have is that only 1 power at best could have been chosen by the mafia

[Mutleyddmc]

Personally I think 0 were chosen. Looking at first page it seems the role PM says the goons knew who the traitor is surely thats not right? I only just realised that cos from /ining to this game the wiki says the traitor iwll know goones but not goons will know traitor. I'm pretty sure you are mafia now

[Mutleyddmc]

You need to claim for now

[Mutleyddmc]

Typical!

[Mutleyddmc]

i'm staying on Tierce. If I'm wrong I reckon sak should vig Tammy.

[Mutleyddmc]

Tierce is scum

[Mutleyddmc]

I haven't got a huge case, in fact I haven't got a huge case on anyone. The 2 scum have played it well imo. However I have huge gut feel on tierce. Could be cos I am actually the role cop!

[Mutleyddmc]

I was hoping to draw someone into a fake claim

[Mutleyddmc]

No idea yet.

[Mutleyddmc]

Sakura is guranteed town as am I

[Mutleyddmc]

Yes, theres guranteed to be 2 PRs in this game, minimum. Only me and sakura claimed, everyone else claimed vanilla. Therefore we must be the 2 PRs

[Mutleyddmc]

Me role cop, sakura vig

[Mutleyddmc]

Goon role, same difference

[Mutleyddmc]

Yep. Which means scum is 2 of you 4. Deduce that I have a resut on tierce, means 1 of you tammy and klick are scum

[Mutleyddmc]

Yes

[Mutleyddmc]

good for me?

[Mutleyddmc]

VOTE: pinksmoke

thanks tierce for helping me uncover scum

[Mutleyddmc]

I'll pull what I like if it helps me find scum

[Mutleyddmc]

I would't have let it quick hammer

[Mutleyddmc]

pfft 23 minutes I was refreshing every 2!. I am body guard!! or am i?

[Mutleyddmc]

What commen on the name? I am confused

[Mutleyddmc]

Of course its scummy, I still beleive Tierce is scum.

Anyway what do you mean comment on the name? what name?

[Mutleyddmc]

Your name?? I know who you realy are

[Mutleyddmc]

I do.

[Mutleyddmc]

Only one person calls me mutters

[Mutleyddmc]

[Mutleyddmc]

The 1 shot BP thing sucks because it means we really have to hit right today. TBH I am really stuck on who I think is scum, will need a think about it. I wasnt too involved in this game to start with and that has been my downside

[Mutleyddmc]

You cant die tonight

[Mutleyddmc]

Thing is statistcally we have a guranteed 50% chance of getting mafia right now by picking randomly

[Mutleyddmc]

Yep thats it. we know 2 of 4 are scum. So me and you could pick randomly and get a 50% chance of getting it right

[Mutleyddmc]

Ill be protecting you. Im dead tonight

[Mutleyddmc]

Stop talking about the main. The whole point is that pink smoke didnt want it know. And two of us already know!

Anyway back to the game. No hammer is exactly what I wanted. Right 1 of pink smoke and klick are scum. 1 of Tammy and tierce is scum. We got to figure out which one is likely to contain the BP, and lynch the other group. So if we are wrong we shoot the remaining member.

[Mutleyddmc]

Also I am disappointed the ogons knew the traitor as basically they became a 1 shot goon, but whatevs

[Mutleyddmc]

ANyway back to the main point, whos more likely to be the BP traitor group. I think tammy or tierce

[Mutleyddmc]

I think when one of you two got the BP role, the mafia decided that that would be enough and didnt take any extra powers

[Mutleyddmc]

Just my theory

[Mutleyddmc]

We're not really going to be able to tell too much who is the BP is especially as the goons knew the traitor. Still I'm more willing to go klicl/pinksmoke

[Mutleyddmc]

Did you just give me a backhand insult?

[Mutleyddmc]

Can someone just expalin something to me. Goon cop. Would that pick up the traitor as a result?

[Mutleyddmc]

That didnt answer my point unfortunately . Im saying does investigating a traitor come bac kas goon or not goon?.

Oh and I say insult cos it seemed like you were saying even mutley knows!! But you werent so its ok

[Mutleyddmc]

Thought so. Yes I figured you might no be so its ok!

Ok so BP is defintely in Tierce or Tammy

[Mutleyddmc]

So are you a goon cop after all?

who knows

[Mutleyddmc]

I think id rather lynch tammy or tierce atm now

[Mutleyddmc]

Haven't decided which one i want to vote

[Mutleyddmc]

anywho. VOTE: Tierce

Heres your BP traitor

[Mutleyddmc]

Cos shes not a goon

[Mutleyddmc]

Cos I am the bestest

[Mutleyddmc]

How would mara know the alignment before replacing in. If she did and then said oh I'm scum can I use my alt, that would be bad modding!

[Mutleyddmc]

Ahh man this sucks, that makes me think you are the traitor tammy.

I onyl wanna hear from sak. What group do you think the traitor is in?

[Mutleyddmc]

So which group would you rather lynch today?

[Mutleyddmc]

Hmm i'm still iffy about Tierce's lack of scumhunting D2, but she has been doing quite well D3, so i don't think Tierce is scum.
Pinksmoke's No Lynch proposal is still pinging on my head, i'd be happy with a Pinksmoke lynch today.
Tammy's analysis seems legit so far, I don't think she's scum.
Klick seems to be avoiding the thread overall and i can't get anything out of him, so null.

Which is why i wanna hear more from Klick.

You can't have Tammy or tierce both as town. Impossible.

[Mutleyddmc]

just so unlikely with how the votes have gone today.

[Mutleyddmc]

I'm happy to go for that, as I'd rather lynch then shoot in the tierce/tammy group.

If we are wrong on tammy I think shoot tierce.

[Mutleyddmc]

Up to you though. Although Tierce if scum is the traitor

[Mutleyddmc]

VOTE: Tammy

I'll goon cop pink if tammy isnt scum

[Mutleyddmc]

Could be too late if tammy isnt scum

[Mutleyddmc]

If tammy isnt scum and you hit the traitor then yes its game over.

Anyways lets just get the tammy flip. I am dead tonight.

[Mutleyddmc]

If you arent going to shoot tierce I'd rather lynch one of pink or klick, and shoot the other

[Mutleyddmc]

I'm confused. Lets go tammy and you just shoot someone based on gut, thats the only way to go I think, talking it over too much gets confusion. I trust you Sak!

[Mutleyddmc]

I'm bodyguard. I was trying to convince scum that I wasn't again. However just realised it doesn't actually matter now. Even if I did they would go to kill me and I will die. Either way I'm dead. So I don't know why I was doing it again. It was to get a reaction from Tierce, and that reaction means tierce is traior or town

[Mutleyddmc]

If tammy flips traitor shoot pink or klick.

[Mutleyddmc]

Yep ok thats the scenarios. Everyone else please vote tammy

[Mutleyddmc]

I'm thinkg sakura could be scum

[Mutleyddmc]

I'm really starting to think a pink/klick team.

[Mutleyddmc]

Just read back over the first day, forgot klick replaced having fitz, yer I could so get behind a klick lynch right now

[Mutleyddmc]

Right unsure If i'm around at deadline so, every name their scum team go, in order of scumminess too

klick/tierce

[Mutleyddmc]

Klick/Tierce

if Klick is going to be lynched today, kill me tonight.

Why would you as town offer to be shot tonight?

[Mutleyddmc]

Yer lets just VOTE: klick

Good luck tonight Sak!

[Mutleyddmc]

Don't think like that he's scum!

[Mutleyddmc]

Shoot my killer Sak. Shoot them. Make sure I die with vengeance!

[Mutleyddmc]

Hopefully klick is traitor

[Mutleyddmc]

Or goon. And you shoot the traitor giving us conf scum.

[Mutleyddmc]

Tammy best hammer

[Mutleyddmc]

Someone hammer

[Mutleyddmc]

shoot right sak.

dont shoot left

[Mutleyddmc]

just dont shoot me

[Mutleyddmc]

If klick is scum, I'd shoot one of tammy or tierce personally.

[Mutleyddmc]

if klick is town shoot tammy

[Mutleyddmc]

Sak I said kill Tammy!!

[Mutleyddmc]

I realised during the night that I was wrong about the two groups. However I knew I would die, so had no chance to say.

Tierces reaction the more I read it was more and more 1 shot bullet proof.

[Mutleyddmc]

So where did mutley's "Tammy and Tierce cannot be scum together" go

It was first impressions of the no qh. However as it went on I realised it wasn't 100% fool proof. Hence the if klick is town shoot tammy!

[Mutleyddmc]

I realised during the night that I was wrong about the two groups. However I knew I would die, so had no chance to say.

Tierces reaction the more I read it was more and more 1 shot bullet proof.

If you're talking about the goon cop bit, I would have done exactly the same if I had been a goon. I would probably be considerably more pissed off as Town, but the core of the reaction is the same.

Ahh well I should have listened to my gut when I voted you right out on day 3

[Mutleyddmc]

why you no kill tammy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mutleyddmc]

Cos he wasn't a PR.

[Mutleyddmc]

MUTLEY

Yes?

[Mutleyddmc]

Cos he wasn't a PR.

so u chose scum???
:'(

That way I didnt die