Open 495: Slimey Near Vanilla GAMEOVER

[notscience]

Hi guise! I'm the replacement :>

I will read back through, ISO everyone yada yada.

RVS real fast-

VOTE: Rainbowdash

I'm 20% cooler than you.

[notscience]

Read up to page 16 thus far, not liking Thad at all. Will finish reading and provide ISOs tomorrow. For now, bed. Adios!

[notscience]

so here's what really went down

we got some noob/lurkscum who went after DCL rather than RachMarie.

Varsoon still gets a nom because he left the game. We don't know when but we do know that there's a good chance he wasn't present in the night phase.
NicCage was pretty lurk lurk.
Nominull too but I remember liking him so let's leave him for last.

In any case

Unvote, Vote: Notscience

so here's what really went down

we got some scum who got roleblocked last night

Hiraki decided to pawn it off on lurkers in an attempt to save himself
Thadmiral is his buddy, but i'm only up to page 16 so that might change
I'll agree about NicCage until I get caught up

in any case

Not voting because I'm not sure where his vote's at.

[notscience]

Okay, top scumreads ATM

Hiraki
Thad
Lng
Nic

Town
RD
The only two to have claimed PRs
Doctor

Everyone else is null atm. Will ISO in a bit.

[notscience]

Hi there WIFOM, how are you?

(double check that, still not 100% sure on its meaning but it looks like that's what we have here)

[notscience]

I don't want Paschendale dead. This is how he plays as town peeps.

I've been considering Nominull for awhile but I can't justify a lynch on him until Varsoon is dead. Varsoon's/notscience's lynch clears up a boatload of reads. Since I'm pretty sure he'll flip scum, that is where we must strike today.

I've made multiple cases on Varsoon and his successor isn't helping (not in the sense that he's giving a worse read but just being a dumbass overall)

:< bully. You're just mad I called you out twice. I can't defend anything Varsoon did, so you're pushing an easy lynch you set up day one. Which is what scum do, no?

[notscience]

You're just mad I called you out twice.

Wow! You think I'm scum and you've said it twice!

so you're pushing an easy lynch you set up day one.

If it was an easy lynch, then why aren't you dead?

Easy lynch for day 2, which only just started. If I got quicklynched that fast someone would be in the dog house, most likely you.

Which is what scum do, no?

Scum do many things.

This is true. What's your point? The more there are, the more there are to look for and find.

If you're going to start doing some motivations before I flipped, your newbscuminess is reeking in that scenario.

Sad to let you know, that date of creation for this acc is my initial date, so any accusation of newbiness is pretty much my meta, as is my meta for that to be taken as scummy and attacked over.

[notscience]

What motives would scum have for a quicklynch day 2? Oh, that's right. Mislynch and not let the town get info and limit the time for them to make scumslips.

[notscience]

What motives would scum have for a quicklynch day 2? Oh, that's right. Mislynch and not let the town get info and limit the time for them to make scumslips.

When did Hiraki say anything about a quick lynch? That's a misrep.

Also, I was someone who was pushing for a Varsoon lynch. Do you think I'm scummy because of that?

You're not the one trying to use it to wiggle out of a vote right now. Everyone voting me =/= scummy, but Hikari's seems too much like scum trying to find someone to blame for him being roleblocked and the scum's kill failing.

[notscience]

Yes, I did misrep him. Thanks for calling me out, here's what I meant to say (I tend to sometimes get ahead of myself). He's pushing my lynch, as an easy lynch to try and force the town onto and off of himself, who was jail'd for the night, and roleblocked, on a night with no kill.

[notscience]

What motives would scum have for a quicklynch day 2?

So your point is that my single vote

My lonely little vote

will create a quicklynch

You still haven't explained the advantage, proof or literally anything but speculation on why you're right either.

Okay, because the advantage isn't obvious? Why would a scum try to push an easy lynch? Oh, that's right! So they don't get lynched themselves. Why quicklynch? So they have less time to scumslip.

but Hikari's seems too much like scum trying to find someone to blame for him being roleblocked and the scum's kill failing.

Except the little problem here is that I am the only person voting you right now.

He's pushing my lynch, as an easy lynch to try and force the town onto and off of himself, who was jail'd for the night, and roleblocked, on a night with no kill.

You have

one

vote. Why are you talking about lynches?

This is noobscum overreacting.

This is me, doing what I normally do when I have votes on me. I can provide proof if you want it. I do this regardless of alignment when I have votes on me, even if they're for stupid reasons.

[notscience]

Okay, because the advantage isn't obvious?

You obviously have no comprehension of what a quick lynch requires so I'm just going to end it here since you keep spitting out he same crap.

I have no comprehension of anything at all because I am five tyvm

This is me, doing what I normally do when I have votes on me. I can provide proof if you want it. I do this regardless of alignment when I have votes on me, even if they're for stupid reasons.

Go ahead but it won't change my opinion.

Oh, darn. You know, I was so bent on changing your opinion, I might as well pack up shop now and ragequit. Oh, that's right. Coolstory, knock yourself out.

[notscience]

The argument between hiraki and notscience is probably the stupidest thing I've ever read. I think I'm going dumber just by looking at it.

Can you both stop attacking each other and, like, vote nominull or something?

Hes my top scumread, so no. Mind sharing your nominull case? Im not seeing him as scum thus far.

[notscience]

I'm an easy lynch because I act poorly under pressure. I've done it in multiple games, and that just ends up with more votes on me for the reason you explain a few posts ago. Part of it is how close this slot was to lynch D-1, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up back there. Which is why I said quicklynch, usually votes tend to pile up on people who've already had huge wagons on them.

[notscience]

Only completed game:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26882

When I get votes on me, I play nervously.

[notscience]

I'm pretty sure I already gave some.

ATM, I'm feeling confident in Hiraki scum. After WS's play D1 I would have thought he was scum, but his replacement has definately seemed like an improvement, so that slot is null. I'm liking Thad for one of his scumbuddies, the other I feel is NicCage, simply because there has to be that one lurker in the scumteam.

Town-The two who have claimed PRs, because frankly you can't deny that they are town without CC's of any sort. I'm not seeing the Nominull case, so he's a weak townread for me. Raven's in my town pile. Pasch I have you leaning town.

If the slot isn't mentioned, I currently find you null

[notscience]

I did, I said Raven is. I also had a couple leaning. You want me to go into reasons behind that?

Are you refering to page 37 DCL? Looking upon it, it comes off as a mix of generic bs and scum AtE. "Look at me, valiantly offering myself so town won't mislynch!" "Only noone will be around to answer riddles and you all will miss me ;-;" "Or we could no lynch coz I'm town and ignore all that"

Sounds generic, sounds scummy.

[notscience]

I did, I said Raven is. I also had a couple leaning. You want me to go into reasons behind that?

Are you refering to page 37 DCL? Looking upon it, it comes off as a mix of generic bs and scum AtE. "Look at me, valiantly offering myself so town won't mislynch!" "Only noone will be around to answer riddles and you all will miss me ;-;" "Or we could no lynch coz I'm town and ignore all that"

Sounds generic, sounds scummy.

[notscience]

Raven has a good point, I'd do it regardless of alignment, which makes it ultimately a null-tell.

LngrrrR, what did Hiraki do townie in your eyes? Make a case against my slot? Join EVERY wagon?

[notscience]

Only completed game:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26882

When I get votes on me, I play nervously.

if you only have one completed game, how do you know how you play "regardless of alignment"

I honestly have no response to that. Not evading it, just no retaliation to that.

All I can really say now is that raven brings up a point about how it is deemed scummy, yet I did that as town. So, meh.

Nominull, Hiraki's been wagonhopping too. :L

[notscience]

Nominull, Hiraki's been wagonhopping too. :L

but I didn't notice that beforehand so I don't get warm fuzzy feelings of validation

But wasn't that one of your big points about Thad, and Hiraki is doing it too. Does that have equal effect on both?

[notscience]

[bad pun]After the lynch yesterday, no one should have fuzzy feelings.[/bad pun]

[notscience]

@not - What is your read on me here?

unvote

On you would be leaning town, however atm you're null as I didn't like WS's behaviour from day one.

[notscience]

His behaviour I am talking about is stating the obvious and extreme amounts of fluff in all his posts. They're all short and there is very little analysis, there's a bunch of joking around rather than scumhunting. Look at his posts, there really isn't content although he's clearly trying to shove activity down everyone's throats, there isn't that much actually info. He's basically going through the motions without doing anything.

[notscience]

@not - What is your read on me here?

unvote

On you would be leaning town, however atm you're null as I didn't like WS's behaviour from day one.

Well im just wondering because you call me town very fast (not really with reasoning) then later you are back to calling my slot scummy but redeeming itself or something? Im just not sure where this backwards move comes in, and its a bit confusing.

You yourself are playing pro-town IMO, I'm liking a fair amount of your play. You essentially have what I am trying to say there. You are acting very pro-town and it is redeeming your slot.

[notscience]

But you reverted my slot from "town" to a more "conflicted" read as you kept posting.

You can read something over again and spot things you hadn't noticed the first time. When I looked at your slot as a whole with all the others, nothing really came off as bad yet when ISO'd, it looks bad. Hence why it got more conflicted.

[notscience]

VOTE: ThAdmiral

Where did this come from?

And 666, why did you choose Hiraki as the person to run your gambit against?

[notscience]

VOTE: ThAdmiral

Where did this come from?

have you been reading my posts, like at all

Derp, found it now. Somehow skipped that part. I find Thad scummy yes, but I don't like "lynch x to clean y" as a reason.

[notscience]

I'm curious as to both who he was on as well as what his gambit uncovered for him.

[notscience]

Who is that directed to?

[notscience]

Raven, the entirety of your argument relies on me being scum. And what I'm saying is, he's using my nervousness AS AN OFFENSE, and it is ultimately a null tell, so his entire wagon on me is based off of a null tell and the ambiguity of Varsoon. Hence, my defense by it.

Pasch, I'd love you to decide whether or not I'm noobtown to you or scum, flip flopping doesn't help anyone.

[notscience]

Hiraki, are you reading closely? He breadcrumbed in that post that it wasn't you he jailed.

[notscience]

I'm liking thAd's case up there. I could see nom as scum, still thinking it's Hiraki until JK tells us who he was on.

Hiraki, we know. We can tell.

[notscience]

DCL, if you don't think Raven is an acceptable target, who is?

[notscience]

I still want Hiraki lynched, but he said don't vote Ravenpaw without saying who to vote, so I wanted to know who he thinks would be a good place to sit?

The only person who might hop off my scumdar is Thad, and Nom would replace him. I liked thad's case. So, Hiraki, Thad/Nom, and Nic are my top scumspects, as I've said before.

[notscience]

I want to know who he wants to lynch if he thinks lynching the JK target is a bad idea.

[notscience]

He also wagonhopped a lot day 1, it's just a vibe I'm getting from the slot, with him lashing out at anyone who calls him scum rather than being reasonable and calm comes off more scum-motivated than town. Town wouldn't be intentionally rude to everyone to detract from scumhunting. Admittedly, the JK thing was the primary reason, but I'm not liking how he acted. And I thought I had voted Hiraki, thanks for pointing that out.

VOTE: Hiraki

[notscience]

@Nom - So why did you vote Hikari after the original JK thing but now are not voting Raven?

I also have to love how after jumping hard on moth and him coming off far worse for the wear in our exchange he is "having second thoughts" about calling me scum when all he did during the exchange was call me flailing scum.

Another curiosity - Hikari got a ton of votes after the JK thing. Raven has gotten two. Those who showed up the first time but not the second have a lot of talking to do.

Raven was in my townpile, Hiraki isn't.

[notscience]

He also then complains the game is moving too fast for him, to justify that. You know what?

VOTE: NicCage

Here's some scum folks. Look at what Lng just said, along with the fact he's spent a huge amount of time complaining it's "too fast" and not giving analysis.

[notscience]

Gee thanks Hiraki, It's not like I've said he was a scumspect, but ya kno. Attempt to save your scumbuddy some more please.

[notscience]

I wouldn't say convinced, I'd say pointed out something that correlated with something I had already been formulating around in my mind.

And last I checked, just because I have scumspects doesn't mean they can fix it, or that they can't bring up good points that should be adressed.

[notscience]

Yes, the premise is lurking. But he's made promises to catch up, give reads, etc, and has yet to fulfill any of them. Constantly using excuses to avoid them in fact.

He's scum.

[notscience]

@RD

I thought I had voted him, it totally slipped my mind I had you voted until someone pointed it out.

[notscience]

So, how long do we have left in this day?

[notscience]

Doctor who, I don't get what you're asking.

Can you rephrase it?

[notscience]

Are we talking in reference to both of yesterday's wagons?

I'm not quite sure. It's risky, wagonjumping so hard looks bad. But it is effective. So, I'm assuming it's like early bussing, it's high risk high reward. However, I find the wagon on DCL is more likely that, the second wagon was LEAD by our un-cc'd JK.

[notscience]

Again, I don't think they'd be that blatant, although if it was, we need to focus said wagonhoppers (such as Hiraki, ThAd). And that's a fair point.

Okay, you have me convinced that scum would want that. So, what do we do with that information?

[notscience]

It looks to me like a debate on how scummy it is to wagonhop, like several people were doing Day 1.

[notscience]

Hiraki/NicCage/Thad.

I don't care which first.

[notscience]

Pasch, there's this great thing called Bussing.

[notscience]

"It isn't me"

Said every scum ever.

[notscience]

Lets Ashimed it up in this place

Wouldn't scum not give last reads, as they know any sudden changes would be saw as bussing? Town would want to leave the town with a good thought of where to look for scum.

Anyways, how bout that Moth wagon?

[notscience]

Idk.

I've seen people do it before. The point is, those last reads usually are more town trying to help after they get lynched.

[notscience]

Anti-town=/=scum

[notscience]

Anyways, what's the votecount on Moth atm?

[notscience]

Yo Nic, you should post more. I like what you post.

Nic's in the null for me now.

[notscience]

Only because you asked nicely

VOTE: Thad

[notscience]

Don't apologize, do it more

Sooooooooo

Thad/Moth?

[notscience]

^AKA lets see some proof pls and ty

[notscience]

I'm not placing a vote until I get a report from our PRs.

[notscience]

I disagree. I at the very least want to know if he was on Rach or not. We haven't had a death in TWO NIGHTS. Who is to say he didn't roleblock scum (unless he was on Rach)?

Not carrying on, I at the very least need to know that.

[notscience]

Because we've had TWO killless nights. I'm not saying he's not conftown, but this is information we really need to know. If he was on someone else, it might have blocked them. Which is what bugs me. Why am I hesitant to vote? Because I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong. this is a game about gathering information, and I hate when people purposely withhold information from us.

I want to be informed when I vote. Where I come from, the game is BASED AROUND following the PRs. It's become second nature to me.

[notscience]

I never said that. I said I want information first. It's stupid to pursue your own cases when there are PRs in the game. PRs are called power roles for a reason. They are the most important roles in the town for a reason. What information can yourself or I gather? Nothing as concrete as that gathered by a PR. I believe non-cc'd pr's information.

If you had your suspicions and someone claims to have roleblocked someone totally outside your suspicion and there was no kill, who would you go after?

[notscience]

It was all simulated, so I originated in games where it days/nights went a total of a minute altogether, so there wasn't time to deduce all this information.

I'm not about to change my standings on that just because people call me out on it. I'm a firm believer in following PRs, and my reads overall don't really change because we've only had one flip that didn't really effect my other reads. So, I see no reason to repeat my points.

[notscience]

NC is up there for reasons people have already said

Thad makes comments like his most recent post which are just so absurdly cocky and sound so absurdly like scum trying to blend in which annoys me

You want a case for Hiraki look back at my posts yesterday, he hasn't done anything to change it

In other news, let's see behind this trail

VOTE: Doctor Who

Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy under the radar

[notscience]

"Under the radar", Notscience? That's pretty weak.

LnG's analysis of the wagons and voting is just heavily flawed. It's too bad to be genuine.

Vote: LnG

I had a fairly solid town read on Varsoon, but Notscience has been chipping away at it continually. I'm far more reluctant to give him the benefit of the doubt now.

cool story, remind me to care later because I honestly don't.

Idk what to make of it. I feel like it leaves several options to jump his vote on in case he gets questioned, but it could be town secondguessing himself.

Null because I don't care to wifom.

Sooooooooooooooooooo boooooooooooredddddddddddddddddd

Btw also interesting how I question Pasch and all of a sudden "oh he's no longer a solid townread"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[notscience]

Has he been questioned too much? No. He's pretty much doing constant votecounts and etc and I feel like it helps him come off as town, but it's easily fakeable by scum.

Plus, I'm bored and want to see what's behind this door.

[notscience]

Gee SD, takes EVERY bone in my body not to vote you for that.

Get it out of your system now, that BS helps noone.

Jeez.

Care to give reads at the very least?

[notscience]

I smell mockery.

That whole sheep commentary. Along with that last bit about your townreads.

>.>

[notscience]

It's not a tamagotchi and it's not a sheep :L

Can we please just lynch Safety now, idc if he's scum or not he's bugging the hell out of me :L

[notscience]

Idc what you call me

That comment by me was more frustration

DW you have just kinda gone far under the radar for my liking

I changed up my read on pasch from town, kinda like questioning my read

Raven, dont BS us by saying ive moved down on your t/s list. I was on it yesterday too.

[notscience]

Whoops lngrrrr moved me down not raven, but the rest of that line holds true.

[notscience]

I want to see serious cat more

[notscience]

Pasch is just blech

Like before it seemed like he was scumhunting

now he's just bitching that he has the same people in several games

[notscience]

Nah, I don't

I'm kinda bored with this game

I already voted someone though, I voted Dr Who which prompted the funny response to my vote, because I felt it was funny he was on everyone's townreads and he was under the radar.

[notscience]

Hiraki.

[notscience]

The issue for me is-

I feel like there's a reason he's stirring the pot so much, doing all this. I'm not sure if he's trying to get himself lynched or what, but it is strange.

[notscience]

The buddying is strong with ^this one it is.

[notscience]

I want Hiraki or Pasch or Thad

[notscience]

I don't see a CC.

[notscience]

Here Nic, have a vote. It's on the house.

VOTE: ThAd

[notscience]

inb4 DCL dies tonight :L

[notscience]

Sorry for the Dr who-like multiple posts, but I think the replacements really hurt the game. Safetydance and notscience have been fucking shit, truth be told. If you're not going to read a game and put in at least some effort don't bother replacing.

<3 Love you too

I wanted to put some effort in, and tried. I got bored.

Nice rant though.

The fact you're yelling at us for not putting in effort means you think we're just lazy town as it appears.

[notscience]

I'm not the best at articulation. Even worse when all but like 1 person have played with me before (in a game that I acted dif than I usually do) which kinda explains it all

I still don't see SD's slot as town though.

[notscience]

Really.

Are you freaking kidding me.

[notscience]

I'm starting fresh on everyone because this has gotten too long to look back and redevelop.

Anything quoted or referenced I will check, but I'm not going back to ISO again. Prs will stay as they are.

Plus it should help me actually regain interest in this game.

[notscience]

Because Nic wanted pressure. I provided pressure.

[notscience]

Why is Hiraki scummy?

Playstyle doesn't count.

[notscience]

I'm starting fresh.

I'm getting bored, so I need SOMETHING to help me regain interest.

This lets me reformulate all my reads, without the confbias I've already had. So, I repeat my question.

[notscience]

I'm starting fresh.

I'm getting bored, so I need SOMETHING to help me regain interest.

This lets me reformulate all my reads, without the confbias I've already had. So, I repeat my question.

You missed that Raven.

And in response to my reaction, it just irks me. We're essentially in like Day 2 with these deaths. There's still a huge field for scum to sit in, 8 people and 3 are scum. It'd help if we had less people and noise to pick through, but we don't.

[notscience]

I realize we get more lynches.

But we have more lynches with more people to wade through.

[notscience]

Regardless. Less people to sort through is less people to sort through. I see your point, but I stand by what I said.

[notscience]

I'm null on lynching SD

Lngrr makes me giggle

[notscience]

lol

Apparently pressure=scummy

Good to know, I'll keep a note of it.

His vote was terribad, he had no reasonings, as well as was the 4th person on the lynch (which everyone knows is a scumtell)

Pedit- Raven what happened to you thinking I'm scum

[notscience]

I missed it :/

Sorry ;-;

Trust me, I am in rare form.

[notscience]

To answer your question, it was kinda a vibe thing.

[notscience]

Nice OMGUS there Nom

[notscience]

It's Nut up or shut up.

I caught up, as for scum, I'm really starting to get bugged by all the fluff frm SD (admittedly I said earlier it's null, but he's under the microscope and he isn't doing jack shit)

[notscience]

SD why did you vote the un-cc'd doctor .-.

[notscience]

SD why do you do all this under pressure but when you aren't you don't do anything?

[notscience]

Nice buddying the PR there, Pasch.

LA for a week, phoneposting.

[notscience]

Nice buddying the PR there, Pasch.

LA for a week, phoneposting.

Anyone else agree?

[notscience]

Why is it a misrep?

[notscience]

I said you active lurked after day 1. Try to keep up. And simple post count? That's gotta be the single least alignment indicative aspect of the game. But I've been quite consistent this game. I tend to gather my thoughts and put them together in a few posts, and don't get involved in back and forth arguments. Meanwhile, you suddenly changed gears for no discernible reason.

Try not to just sit there and misrep.

Condescension is nice?

[notscience]

Why am I annoying? Because I dont believe youre town?

Still caught you buddying.

[notscience]

Vla tol yesterday lol

Ill be back saturday

[notscience]

hohoho.

Knows his buddying failed and is changing his tune.interesTing.

[notscience]

Why?

[notscience]

Lol,lng

You make me laugh

[notscience]

Lets kilk pasch fkr being a buddying scumbutt

[notscience]

My hydra I altslipped.

[notscience]

VOTE: pasch

I thought I already was xd

[notscience]

Sd I like you

Youre going places in life

[notscience]

Sd I like you

Youre going places in life

Whereas you're going absolutely nowhere.

You're more active posting your one-liners whilst on V/LA than you were posting your one-lines when you weren't.

Because before I was bored

Now im not

:L

[notscience]

Inb4 tip

[notscience]

I pity the fool who has to read 76 pages

[notscience]

We can always just kill NC.

I keep looking around and im more than happy with it at this stage. Whole game is just him wandering around, showing up to vote Thad and making noncommittal comments about everything else.

Vote NC

Bad post was bad

[notscience]

Nic is null for me.

Whats bad is the rest of,the,post.

Its very sheepy, "well ill be absolutely fine with this lynch" and essentially votes him for lurking. This isnt D1. His entire post makes me feel like its PL voting.

[notscience]

Two scumreads? Why have two unless you already know one...

Yourself.

[notscience]

I want Pasch, not nic.

While were on the topic, dont pretend like you run this shit. You dont.

[notscience]

Pasch gets mote information even if he isnt scum. Nics lurked through the game, he has less to analyze.

Pasch or bust.

[notscience]

Pasch should learn yo attack the play, not the player. Its okay though, because hes scum

[notscience]

Pasch needs more votes.

[notscience]

DERP PATROL, FOLLOW US TO GREAT JUSTICE

[notscience]

And here comes mudslinging and attempts to discredit and defuse the wagon rather than provide another reason.

Pasch needs ropes folks, get your towncred while it's hot.

[notscience]

Opportunism noted.

[notscience]

His vote sounded weird. It's hard to explain, but it sounds forced.

[notscience]

no

>:(

[notscience]

I was second on it, at a time when it was for pressure. Your vote is later and really just seems forced.

[notscience]

PWN'T

LMFAO 10/10

WOULD READ AGAIN

[notscience]

Spot the scumslip in the above post for towncred

[notscience]

Your options are

Pasch

Pick wisely

[notscience]

Spot the scumslip in the above post for towncred

If I point it out it spoils,my fun

[notscience]

Rbd im on my phone and cant quote, but ill quote it if noone else does.

[notscience]

Sure, his buddies are probably bussing him, but it's still a dead scum in a game where we've mislynched three times already.

This sounds to me like he knows his partner is scum and is bussing hardcore but is being very fency about who they are, just a general "oh they're voting"

[notscience]

I'm saying that Pasch is doing the bussing.

[notscience]

I'm so sick of you shoving this plan bullshit down our throats.

[notscience]

Day 2 Hiraki (SD) was the clear bandwagon with 5 votes. RD unvoted

Spoiler: RD's unvote & commentary

@not - What is your read on me here?

unvote

@not - What is your read on me here?

unvote

Why did you unvote Hiraki when asking notscience a question?

@not - What is your read on me here?

unvote

Why did you unvote Hiraki when asking notscience a question?

Because im not as sure of my vote right now. When I could

really

easily put up a case for both ns and hikari being scum or town today im not ready to just push the lynch through.

I am wondering if nominull is town due to his broken thought process though. Its one of those things where I think as scum he would have been mocked at during the night so wouldn't say it again during the day

Then mothrax voted him back to 5. Nominall then falls of the wagon

Spoiler: Nominull vote & commentary

VOTE: ThAdmiral

VOTE: ThAdmiral

Where did this come from?

And 666, why did you choose Hiraki as the person to run your gambit against?

VOTE: ThAdmiral

Where did this come from?

have you been reading my posts, like at all

VOTE: ThAdmiral

Where did this come from?

have you been reading my posts, like at all

Derp, found it now. Somehow skipped that part. I find Thad scummy yes, but I don't like "lynch x to clean y" as a reason.

Nominull, for all of his statistical whimsy, declined to comment on the JK plan which was clearly pro-town.

Not only is Safety Dance scummy, it'll tell us a lot about these two.

SD has been on all three mislynches. Hiraki was on all of the Day 1 wagons. (Nominull was on a lot too).

Back to this, go on, what would both scenarios for a flip tell you about these two? I'm intrigued.

Clearly it will tell who people find more scummy based on it so he can ride their wagon to another mislynch!

[notscience]

Pasch didn't bring up conf bias until after DCL was stating it. Parroty scum is parroty.

[notscience]

At this point, Pasch, I'm getting annoyed at you trying to read yourself and declare yourself town.

[notscience]

Ok, so I would be fine with a Bulbazak lynch, a Pasch lynch, or a NotScience lynch.

@rach, you need to get in here and make a vote.



@everyone else, feel free to list options.

[notscience]

no RBD

Your options are pasch or pasch

[notscience]

When did you join dcl?

[notscience]

Pascj you say scum jumped all over you when they saw it was a mislynch

You then say im scum

Yet, I was the first on you, sooo

Dashie revote the scum.

[notscience]

Liaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[notscience]

Anyone not ovoting pasch now is earning massive scumpoints

[notscience]

VOTE: Pasch

Now stop fucknig mislynching and vote the fucking scum

[notscience]

So wait a minute

You moved to SD

because people wanted to lynch SD?

[notscience]

Why does it change anything, except wifoming about whether someone would do that or not?

[notscience]

I didn't get a mention in that post fuck you

[notscience]

Hi Raven

[notscience]

Blah, Im done with this game for the time being. Just lynch me already so we can lose faster.

It's a bit early to be breaking out the AtE, isn't it? I mean you could at least try to do a little work and discredit my vote instead of just going "Lynch me already!"

Why isn't anybody else voting this scumbag?

Too busy voting his scumbuddy

[notscience]

Bullshit.

[notscience]

1 I suck at cases

2 fuck no, chainsawing noted though

[notscience]

hmmmmmmmm

[notscience]

^

There needs to be more voteso n pasch

[notscience]

Why aren't you sold on voting scum

[notscience]

Why not

[notscience]

Raven I'll be your buddy :>

[notscience]

Only because you asked

VOTE: Nom

I still think Pasch is scum though

[notscience]

I dunno

I feel like the chances of him flipping scum increase when Pasch does. I'm not really sure of how he plays though.

[notscience]

I feel like that little kid in the back of the class the teacher never calls on

[notscience]

You are also applying the fact he's a replacement and the overall activity of this game, correct?

[notscience]

His point is he is at the end of the pack

[notscience]

Also notscience, day 1 there was a wagon on RachMarie that got to L-1. You, me, and Raven are the only non-confirmed on it. What do you think about that?

VOTE: Doctor Who

[notscience]

Also notscience, day 1 there was a wagon on RachMarie that got to L-1. You, me, and Raven are the only non-confirmed on it. What do you think about that?

VOTE: Doctor Who

OK, why me over Raven?

Because all game you've been preaching how you're obvtown and everyone else on the wagon but me and raven is confirmed

Then all of a sudden "We three aren't confirmed"

And I think raven's town

[notscience]

You've said that everyone on that wagon except me and raven were confirmed, no? Then you shift your story "How does it feel knowing you raven and me aren't confirmed"

What happened to your "oh well I'm eliminating myself because I'm town and do so much vca and votecounts ladida"

lolggscum

[notscience]

I've already said I think raven's town

and I voted you

Why?

Because you're the odd one out, scum

Here's what bugs me

Every day you push a wagon on someone who was on that fail L-1

Yet we haven't hit scum. It looks like to me you found an easy way to push a bunch of MLs while appearing town

ggscum, thanks for playing.

I expect more doctor who votes now folks, he needs to swing.

[notscience]

No, he does not need to swing and will not be anytime soon.

....

but he's scum

Literally all he's done is do VCA and lead wagons that have repeatedly hit town and put votes up every now and again. While admittedly, VCA is helpful, he has ONLY done that.

[notscience]

Please elaborate on those before the end of the day at least

Look at this VCA that he live and breathes, and the only 2 whose alignment I do not know, I think he's scum because I think Raven's town

[notscience]

I still don't think Raven's scum.

[notscience]

You pasch and nom are the scumteam

[notscience]

Because all your role pms read "Mafia Goon"

[notscience]

ALL HAIL THE GOOD LORD NS

[notscience]

lol

I can do the legwork

I'm just lazy

I've already said why doctor who is scum though

Same for pasch

[notscience]

Raven isn't scum, scum.

[notscience]

So much AtE and AtF

Sweet baby jesus

[notscience]

Bulb Raven isn't scum for christs sake

Doc Who is

[notscience]

Raven is scum, because Nom was trying to defend her while simultaneously trying to distance himself from her. It's what got him caught. I wanted her to be town as well, NS, but it looks like that's not the case.

Why isn't Doc Who scum then, if Raven is scum to you.

[notscience]

I suck at making cases.

I don't like Dr. Who's constant VCA. Why? Lets look at what has happened due to his VCA- 2/3 town ML's. And now we're down to me and Raven, both of whom I find town. He's preaching all game that there'll be scum on the wagon (which I hate blanket statements like that but that's just me) and then he has an excuse to just keep pushing town people on the wagon (which notice how Raven ISNT doing). To me, it seems like his VCA seems to not have hit scum and is reallllllly convenient for my liking. And then he tries to shove the "Well I know I'm town" down our throats every time he's doing it as an attempt to affirm that in our minds.

I played with Raven before as town and I'm not seeing too huge a difference in this than I did when she was town, so it's kinda meta-y but I'm more confident about Who scum.

[notscience]

She was in huge wall fights all the time and it was more frequent posting, but that can be attributed to many things

[notscience]

No I don't.

While I see it's his playstyle, something in my gut is send off alarms. I feel like he's been a huge factor in a lot of these failed lynches.

And yes she was VT

[notscience]

I want Who's head because he's scum.

[notscience]

VOTE: Doctor Who

Raven is town get off of her :L

[notscience]

well maybe either myself or scum didn't make the 'correct' play in order to out wifom the other.

I hope not, because if you JKed non-RM a no kill is who you lynch and its a fairly strong town tell if a kill did happen.

Scum probably all in LnG/DW/Pasch at this point

QFT

[notscience]

They're all still the scumpool

[notscience]

:palmface:

you are not getting it.

I'll say, last time I slept with a woman I was-

loljk

[notscience]

Raven is town. I am town.

By Who's OWN VCA, that means he's the scum on the wagon.

[notscience]

Reading Nom's ISO, this post jumped out (and I would like to note Nom D1 felt townie to me, good job by him if he is still reading the thread):

is it too much to ask for fuzzy, Hiraki, and Varsoon to be the three scum? Whoever among them is town needs to cut their shit out and play for real.

What are the odds that all of them are actually town? Fuzzy and Hiraki have turned up town. Vars slot is the only one who hasn't turned yet.

Later though, in post 372, he really goes after Varsoon... Doesn't feel like bussing.

Another awkward sounding post:

White Shadows, it may not seem like it to you, but you are being very defensive. I wish you would calm down. It's going to be hard for you to make a positive contribution to the discussion when you're like this. If you think people are slandering you in bad faith, vote for them. If you think they're mistaken in good faith, try not to throw more fuel on the fire?

Feels slightly like coaching.

It 2 in the morn here so I will go through the rest later.

I'm in the mood for a good fight, bring it on.

And DCL, Whta's to refute? it's soooooo wifomy. Doesn't that refute itself?

[notscience]

Dr who is town and is not being lynched ever.

Hei s scum and needs to be lynched so town can win.

[notscience]

Yes it is Wifomy. WHo is to say the scum's luck hasn't been shit?

Doctor who is in no way town and you need to realize that.

Pedit-

I was AGAINST the SD lynch too in case you forgot.

[notscience]

There is no "basic proof"

Look at the fucking setup, there's a JK And a doctor. JK's don't give definitive guilties. You're basing the ENTIRETY of this on a flawed idea that scum would not change whoever submits the kill, but also dismissing the chance of the scum having shitty luck. The fact that there were no kills when he wasn't blocked do not clear him as town, you could use that notion to clear MOST of the people alive (such as Lng and Pasch) but that doesn't mean jack shit.


Pedit-

Dr. Who is town.

Let's just actually try and think this through for a second. I called Dr. Who town since day one and have continued to do so. So if Dr. Who was scum 'who' do you think the scumteam would send to do the kill since there is a town jailor? Maybe night 1 scum may have thought I could have been bluffing about townreads in order to be able to jail one of those players successfully (something I wish I had though of doing, (or maybe I did muahaha)), but I find that unlikely.

This is wifom. We don't know exactly WHAT scum would have done day one. Why? For the exact reason you stated. Scum wouldn't know if you were lying about your reads or not, and that would change what they did.

So the fact is that on nights 1,4 and 5 (and yes RD I know mafia theory well enough know the right move to make in this situation(that and I'm a selfish bastard who wants to live)) I did not target RM. So in theory, scum dr who would have submitted the kill. Are you telling me that he targeted me on each of those nights when there wasn't a kill when the logically assumption is that Raven/nominul/player blocked night 5 did the kill, cause if one of those players submitted the kill than that is basically proof that Dr. Who is NOT scum.

You're acting like you are 100% sure you jailed scum, when there is no proof you jailed scum or not. For all we know, scum could be NK'ing every night to watch us eat each other alive. They could also have shitty luck. Not to mention, isn't it usually PR code to check a leaning read for you? (I'm pretty sure both of those two qualified as leaning reads for you are the time). Knowing that, what scum in their right mind would let anyone in your leaning pile submit the kill?

tldr, just fucking trust me on this ok?

No.

Pedit- Raven knows where it's at

Pedit 2- Rach do you actually have a reason why you think I'm scum other than the fact I'm not sheeping you

[notscience]

You leave scum to wifom about whether or not you'd block a townread to catch them off guard. One night does not clear him. Congratz, you blocked Nom. Now, do we know every little bit of the scum's mentality? No. So it doesn't clear Who.

[notscience]

Nsc your argument is bad.

It is clear that you really don't understand my case. I'll explain more clearly tomorrow when Im on APC.

I don't care how clear your case is, it doesn't change Who's alignment to town.

[notscience]

Notty didn't hammer.

I don't like to end days early

/shrug

Pasch is just butthurt because he knows I've pegged him as scum

/shrug

[notscience]

Why have I gone from scum to town in less than a day for you lng

[notscience]

Yeah, that doesn't mean anything.

In Mini 1454 my partner sat his vote on me for 3 days until I got lynched, saying someone pushed a slot does not clear the slot.

[notscience]

tldr, get the fuck off of dr who right now

Option 1 and 3 are so similar it's not even funny, and I don't know why 3 was included if you think 1 is so unlikely.

I agree about scum not knowing that, but 1 is still a viable option.

[notscience]

I would say one of Raven/Pasch today.

Somewhat because of the moth lynch. I don't think all scum avoided that wagon. Let me think of Nom-Pasch interactions, the jump from Nom away from Pasch and then right back to him post SD lynch... I dunno I could see both motivations.

Also DCL may be somewhat not understanding full scum logic. Whoever submits is kinda a WIFOM in itself since all actions are already picked. If the game was closed it would be a different matter, but now not really. You say the most townie would submit the kill, so scum would send scummiest, so you should target the scummiest, so scum send the towniest. Both actions should be more or less random when you really think about it.

So what you're saying is, his notion of conftown Who is shit?

[notscience]

Also we aren't lynching Raven today