Open 507: The Case of the Hard Boiled Egg (Game Over, 6/13)

[ac1983fan]

VOTE: Twin Flames
Because why not.

[ac1983fan]

UNVOTE:

I'm just not ready for this level of commitment to you, Twin Flames. Maybe once we get to know each other. Too soon.

A three-vote RVS wagon is enough to make you nervous enough to unvote?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rank

[ac1983fan]

Is that because he freaked out on people town reading you for setup breaking stuff?

This is such a leading question, and I wouldn't characterize Taskmaster's posts as "freaking out."

[ac1983fan]

I like tracker over vig. Not from experience, but from a practical opinion. Having a loose cannon on the town side can just mean free kills for the mafia. Tracker is harmless and less noticeable.

QFT

I don't give a flying fuck about town points.

That is a lie.

If you think that's a lie, where's your vote on me?

Of course I like being read as town, but I've never once done something specifically to generate town reads on me (at least as town... I've probably done this as scum some point in my life that I don't recall off-hand).

I don't feel a vote is justified. My point was that of course you care about getting town points if you're town. You want to look town so you don't get lynched.

So, first of all, town has no motivation to lie (barring a few special circumstances, which this is not one of) so if you think a player is lying this should ring off bells in your head.
Secondly, if you're town you shouldn't care what other players read you as, because after all you KNOW you are town. (That is my philosophy on it anyway...Scum have more motivation to try and get these "town points."
Thirdly, BertKerb's 107 reads like only the first line of Amrun's 106 was read.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: BerkKerberos

[ac1983fan]

(SORRY ABOUT DOUBLE POST)
BTW: Due to technical difficulties with my computer, I'll have a bit of L/A for the next week.

[ac1983fan]

Full L/A for at least one week.

My laptop won't charge and replacement parts won't arrive for a week. This leaves my only methods of posting being using my 3DS (what I'm doing now / pain in the ass) and going to the library.

[ac1983fan]

Well, I'd thought I'd been neglecting this game but it turns out the last two pages have been mostly just gids, memes, and discussion of theory.
Still happy with my BK vote, especially since they've been active lurking hard. Not sure I get the Lucky wagon...guess I'll have to reread.

[ac1983fan]

Another reason why we shouldn't try to break it-

It encourages laziness and sheeping of PRs.

If one is town then one wants to play to their win condition to the fullest. If breaking the setup is the best way to do that, so be it.

Now, whether breaking a setup is

ethical

...that is a discussion for the Mafia Discussion forum. After this game is done.

[ac1983fan]

Taskmaster seems to be voting Amrun because (t)he(y) thinks that scum!Amrun would intentionally pretend to not know the setup had changed since the last time it was broken, and because of some differences of opinion over theory.

And that's terrible.

Wagon join. VOTE: Taskmaster

[ac1983fan]

Slightly. Statistically, with three conf town on the wagon, scum must be on the wagon somewhere.

What 3 conftown on the wagon?

Yeah, what??
At first I thought you were counting yourself but you were not even on that wagon...

[ac1983fan]

Shit I forgot I was playing in this game ;-;
need to catch up

[ac1983fan]

2. Ac
Question: what made you switch from bert to task in post 315?

It was a matter of 1) taskmaster's logic was terribad 2) I had a light gut scumread on them 3) staying off a wagon when one does not have strong feelings against said wagon is antiproductive

What was the point of that^ ???

He was complimenting the mod on his use of flavor. What was the point of questioning this?

To not have brought up those posts earlier, makes it seem like grasping for excuses. And the counter-wagon, because he started my wagon.

Well for starters new information sometimes makes old posts look different in a new light

Shit I forgot I was playing in this game ;-;
need to catch up

Is this ever going to happen?

Yes

VOTE: BertKerb
Since there's no wagon at the moment I would highly suggest you kindly join me on the BertKerberos wagon. Not only was a lot of his D1 logic just plain scummy, but i'm not entirely convinced the hammer of Taskmaster was accidental. (admittedly this read is mostly gut but admittedly 95% of my reads in all games are mostly gut)

[ac1983fan]

Woah, okay, this game is a whole lot of people doing nothing (including myself)
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lazurial

[ac1983fan]

VOTE: Bert

Scum is as scum does.

And here I was thinking nobody would vote for this wagon.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: BertKerberos

[ac1983fan]

Ac has been lurking harder than I'm used to him, his vote on me with the votehop somewhere else with the vote back onto me isn't really that reassuring

For starters it's not so much been lurking as I forgot I've had hard time getting interest in this game, then I was busy, then I forgot I was in this game, then I came back.
Secondarily I am like 80% sure I have never played a game with any of your heads.

[ac1983fan]

EBWOP: Never played a completed game.

[ac1983fan]

Taskmaster

(7): Amrun,

Rank

, Lazurial,

ac1983fan

, DrCirno,

Lucky2u

, Bertkerberos

Rank

(6):

oriole

, Kerberos, Amrun, Bertkerberos,

fuzzybutternut

, Rural Juror

Right, so that means BertKerb, Amrun, and Rural Juror / DrCirno were on both mislynches. And I was pretty sure Bertkerb was scum day 1 so yeah we should lynch BertKerb today guys.

[ac1983fan]

Taskmaster

(7): Amrun,

Rank

, Lazurial,

ac1983fan

, DrCirno,

Lucky2u

, Bertkerberos

Rank

(6):

oriole

, Kerberos, Amrun, Bertkerberos,

fuzzybutternut

, Rural Juror

Right, so that means BertKerb, Amrun, and Rural Juror / DrCirno were on both mislynches. And I was pretty sure Bertkerb was scum day 1 so yeah we should lynch BertKerb today guys.

Ugh. This post is horrible in several ways.

So's your face.

You thought we were scum Day 1? I thought you were scumreading us because of Bert's quickhammer.

Yes, and yes. See 130 & 255. Also you possibly just scumslipped by saying quickhammer rather than accidental hammer soooo.

[ac1983fan]

Also you possibly just scumslipped by saying quickhammer rather than accidental hammer soooo.

The hammer was quick, wasn't it?

Yeah hence the "possibly"

if ac tunnels me one more time, nacho, i am gonna vote himi outta here, u hear me??

I'm not tunneling, but the only other player I have a moderately strong scumread on is Rural Juror, and that is mostly due to POE rather than anything in his posts.

[ac1983fan]

but the only other player I have a moderately strong scumread on is Rural Juror, and that is mostly due to POE

That doesn't make sense. PoE reads is when you have strong town reads on everyone except for a small group, but that group can't be smaller than the scumteam or one of your townreads are guaranteed wrong. Why is Laz town? Why is memonic town?

Your face doesn't make sense.

I mean PoE by looking at wagons on mislynches, not POE by town reads.

[ac1983fan]

shit i totally forgot to say that I was v/la yesterday and today (just got back from a two day trip to nyc to see america's got talent live)
so prod dodge; content tomorrow

[ac1983fan]

Hey can someone explain to me why people keep quoting my 646 and saying it is bad posting or not saying anything? it is wagon analysis, I do it in any game because it's much much easier than trying to haze a read in between the lines of other players' posts.

I mean PoE by looking at wagons on mislynches, not POE by town reads.

so who are your townreads?

Amrun, kunkstar7 (mnemomic's replace out seemed townish and kunkstar's first post was pretty solid town - good catch up with no fluff), and maybe a light gut one on kerberos.

[ac1983fan]

Hey can someone explain to me why people keep quoting my 646 and saying it is bad posting or not saying anything? it is wagon analysis, I do it in any game because it's much much easier than trying to haze a read in between the lines of other players' posts.

Please quote other games where you've done it and tell us how accurate it was.

Hmm well most of them are ongoing since I haven't played actively on this site for years and my playstyle was a bit different (read: illogical and random) back when I started here but let me take a peak...

[ac1983fan]

Alright, so since I only have three recent completed onsite games, and I was scum in two of them (and replaced out in one) I can't find any examples of myself using this particular kind of wagon analysis. However in open 480 I did a different kind of wagon analysis (I was town)

Hmph.

I'm sick and tired of this. VOTE: Nobody Special
Also holy cow I didn't realize I had missed so many pages of stuff. I had an idea in my head I had been melling on:

Votecount #17

Edosurist (3) Zaicon, implosion, ac1983fan
Belisarius (2) Edosurist, Cheery Dog
SafetyDance (2) pieceofpecanpie, Human Destroyer
Human Destroyer(2) SafetyDance, Apozzle

Since we basically had four wagons, I think it's logical to think that at least one of them was on scum (since they were all stalling / also statistically speaking about 1/4th of the players will be scum anyway).

Apozzle, can you give reads on everyone soon?

and I was right, Belisarius and Edosourist both ended up being scum.

[ac1983fan]

Amrun, kunkstar7 (mnemomic's replace out seemed townish and kunkstar's first post was pretty solid town - good catch up with no fluff), and maybe a light gut one on kerberos

So your PoE scumread on Rural Juror being scum is based on these three townreads?

Have you even been reading my posts???????????

I mean PoE by looking at wagons on mislynches, not POE by town reads.

[ac1983fan]

I'm not opposed to an AC lynch. He's been pretty much AWOL, but now that it's clear it's LyLo he's started to post a lot more than usual. It pinged my radar.

uh... why would that be more likely scum behavior?

This, especially given that the reasons for my lack of activity have all been out of game reasons.

[ac1983fan]

Fuck, guys, I'm pretty ready to vote Lazurial.

I think he miscounted 2 scum because he forgot to take out himself. lol

Actually, looking again at my reads and playerlist, if all my town reads are correct then he would have to be the third scum so yeah this doesn't sound like too bad an option, really.
But I'd still prefer BertKerb or Rural Juror.

[ac1983fan]

Actually, looking again at my reads and playerlist, if all my town reads are correct then he would have to be the third scum so yeah this doesn't sound like too bad an option, really.
But I'd still prefer BertKerb or Rural Juror.

Who is your FIRST priority? I sense some uncertainty in that post.

"too bad an option"

"I'll go with other people, but I still prefer X or Y"

Um, you? I've been supporting your lynch since day 1. I'd much rather lynch BertKerb than anyone else, but of course we have to lynch someone ultimately.

[ac1983fan]

Ac, what are your thoughts on laz?

Well, I don't have a townread on him, and although I don't have an actual-for-realsies scumread on him like I do BertKerb or Rural Juror, unless one of my townreads is wrong he would have to be the third scum, so while I would prefer lynching someone who I actually have a forrealsies scumread on, Laz as scum makes sense.

[ac1983fan]

@Mod: Did you miss kunkstar's vote, or did it not count for some reason?

Missed a few posts, updating thanks

[ac1983fan]

Amrun, if you're ready to vote me, why don't you? Does it have to do with the fact you haven't gotten the go-ahead from your scum buddies yet?

I didn't even know you thought that Amrun was scum.

Well, I don't have a townread on him, and although I don't have an actual-for-realsies scumread on him like I do BertKerb or Rural Juror, unless one of my townreads is wrong he would have to be the third scum

I mean PoE by looking at wagons on mislynches, not POE by town reads.

so who are your townreads?

Amrun, kunkstar7 (mnemomic's replace out seemed townish and kunkstar's first post was pretty solid town - good catch up with no fluff), and maybe a light gut one on kerberos.

contradictions galore

There is no contradicton here.

[ac1983fan]

Ac, who else, other than Bertkerb is scum?

Rural Juror because his slot was on both mislynches and neither of his selves have been very townish
And probably Laz unless one of my town reads is wrong
I feel like i've been repeating this for the past several posts lol

[ac1983fan]

Not sure if I'll have another chance to get on between now and deadline so
VOTE: Lazurial

[ac1983fan]

So apparently my ideal scumplay is to tunnel one of my
buddies all game and generally coast by without doing anything til lylo.