Open 502 - Switch Mafia (Game Over!)

[Elyse]

Ankamius is town.

TIP is not.

VOTE: TheIrishPope

Shouting out random scenarios does not equal scumhunting.

[Elyse]

Elyse, nice to see you posting. How about you give me some more insight on this thread and explain your definition of "scumhunting", since you haven't done shit.

Haven't been able to get to a computer until now. It's page four. I have one post. I know I haven't done anything yet. But you have done things that aren't scumhunting, yet you are trying to pass it off like you are.

Nice attitude, though.

[Elyse]

It'd be nice you started posting with useful information, instead of hopping on a wagon.

I will. Like I said, it's page 4.

I am not just "hopping on a wagon". I have a good reason for doing so, as I've already stated.

[Elyse]

Actively looking for scum

[Elyse]

A.K.A not setup spec

[Elyse]

And what are you doing right now exactly?
Also, setup spec, at least the one I did = reaction test

How many times do I have to say that it's the beginning of the game? I can't pull scummy things out of thin air. What do you expect me to do?

What reactions were you expecting to gain from that "test"?

[Elyse]

Oh my god.

I've already explained why I'm voting for you. YOU THREW OUT USELESS SETUP SPEC TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK TOWN.

But I'll ask my question again, what do you expect me to do? You can read this game in like ten minutes. It's clogged with RVS, your distracting setup spec, and miscellaneous posts that don't stand out.

I have you as a scumread and Ankamius and enomis as town.

How did you expect buddying and overreactions to occur because of your setup spec? That doesn't really make sense.

[Elyse]

If pointing out that useless setup spec is scummy is overreacting, then yes.

Otherwise, no.

For the third time, what do you expect my reads to be this early into the game? You keep chiding me for not scumhunting, but there hasn't been much of an opportunity yet, and I am pressuring you.

[Elyse]

My apologies, oh delicious piece of pecan pie.

Elyse, I just want your thoughts, and I think you're overreacting waaay too much.

Are you even serious?

I THINK YOU ARE SCUM FOR SPEWING OUT SETUP SPEC TO GIVE YOURSELF TOWN CRED WHEN NOTHING WAS ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. I'VE REPEATED THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

And how did I overreact to your "reaction test"? I already asked you this but you just said I'm overreacting again.

@mvmafia
What did post 35 achieve?

Exhibit A of why TIP did that.

Also find it strange that you ask MeowMix specifically.

[Elyse]

I think TIP's posts speak for themselves.

There are many contradictions and backtracks in them and wanting to lynch between two people, WHEN HE DOESN'T HAVE A SCUMREAD ON EITHER, is very telling.

[Elyse]

I CAN'T READ?!?!?!?

[Elyse]

also, how about calling out the 4 or 5 people who have less posts than me instead of singling me out, kthx

Don't like this

[Elyse]

I don't see OMGUS as scummy. In fact I've mostly seen town do it.

This is why I have a slight townread on Guille.

The fact that you are thinking about how people would react to something you do is very scummy. Why would town care?

Also, Viomi, are you going to do something?

[Elyse]

Hey enomis explain your unvote of TIP.

Hey guille do something.

[Elyse]

Are you at your computer all day or something

[Elyse]

Ah nice

[Elyse]

Not much

[Elyse]

No I don't sheep my scumreads

[Elyse]

Why would I sheep someone who I think is trying to lynch town?

[Elyse]

No not anymore.

It was a slight town read for the obvious OMGUS. Didn't think scum would make such a bad vote this early into the game.

But he's done nothing since then.

[Elyse]

I still think that's you.

[Elyse]

@Rach
I like eno's push on TIP.

I don't really have any other strong scum reads. Most people in this game are townie or inactive.

[Elyse]

Yes it is.

Desperado is also worrying me. Even if he has a townread on TIP, it shouldn't be so static. Self-voting is incredibly anti-town and almost exclusively done by scum or derp town. Even townreads can do scummy things, but Desp seems to be sweeping TIP's scumminess under the rug.

[Elyse]

If you answer first, I'd be happy to answer
You can't just ask questions silly nilly

If you answer first, I'd be happy to answer
You can't just ask questions silly nilly

Watch me.
I'll answer them, just not now.

Seems fair. I will also answer them.
Just not now.

I actually like this string from TIP.

Why is no one pointing out how scummy Dyslexicon is for asking that?

"Everyone give me the two people I can mislynch and the two people I should NK. Oh and I'll answer it after everyone else."

Seriously? This should be ringing alarm bells.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dyslexicon

because TIP is consistently scummy and talkative, so there's a slight chance I'm wrong about him and the other people that people are voting don't really feel scummy to me.

[Elyse]

@Dyslexicon
Ok, I can see that as an attempt to get activity up, but it still isn't a good way to do that.
UNVOTE: Dyslexicon

Out of the two major wagons, I would rather lynch TIP since I have a townread on enomis, but Kattaze has been giving me strange vibes. I will ISO him and see what I come up with.

[Elyse]

votecount 1.12

enomis (5): Desperado, RachMarie, Dyslexicon, TheIrishPope, Kattaze

If this is a purely town wagon, I'm going to be really shocked.

That said, at least one of { TheIrishPope, mvmafia, Mac } is scum.

What if he actually is scum? You just ruled that out automatically. Don't see how you could do that unless you knew for sure he was town.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Ankamius

Even wagons on scum aren't normally all town.

[Elyse]

I've been sick. Will catchup ASAP.

[Elyse]

Really mvmafia?

You're pulling a reaction test out of your ass?

That was obviously made up afterwards.

Now say why you lied or die.

[Elyse]

Ank and Kattaze's back-and-forth walls are mostly about misreps and a bunch of semantics that don't mean anything.

Basically, here is the important stuff:
Kattaze's unvote of enomis was not bad in itself.
His vote on Ank for a "scumslip" is very bad. He raises doubt about it being an actual scumslip, yet keeps his vote on Ank?
Kattaze, are you willing to lynch someone based on something that

might

be a scumslip?

I found it strange that Ank said Kattaze would be a good SK candidate, but Kattaze's response was even stranger.

He made a whole separate section in his post to respond to it, and basically deflected attention onto TIP and didn't give reasons why. I reallly don't think TIP is the SK. Why would an SK be so out there like he is? They only have themselves. No scum buddies or fellow townies. I think Kattaze is just trying to push the blame onto an easy target to get it off of him. And that actually makes me think he could be the SK.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kattaze

[Elyse]

Deadline's in two days.

I suggest lynching Kattaze or TIP.

[Elyse]

I won't be upset lynching mvmafia and he would be a good deadline lynch but I feel like Kattaze has a good chance of being SK and will help determine Ank's alignment (though I do have a townread on him). And TIP's death will have a good chance of hitting scum and getting rid of a distraction.

[Elyse]

@Mac
I guess you're right, since scum can hunt for SK too.

But Ank didn't think Kat was SK right off the bat. His scumread evolved into a SK read, which I guess is why I'm thinking Ank would be more town if Kat flips SK. But I see your point.

[Elyse]

I found it strange that Ank said Kattaze would be a good SK candidate, but Kattaze's response was even stranger.

He made a whole separate section in his post to respond to it, and basically deflected attention onto TIP and didn't give reasons why. I reallly don't think TIP is the SK. Why would an SK be so out there like he is? They only have themselves. No scum buddies or fellow townies. I think Kattaze is just trying to push the blame onto an easy target to get it off of him. And that actually makes me think he could be the SK.]

Ank brought up the issue of the SK. I had just written a long post (#483) and wasn't about to write another one. I planned to give my reasons later when I had time to write a decent post, but I didn't realise everyone would jump on me for not giving reasons immediately. I have now explained my reasoning behind why I think TIP could be the SK (#506). Do you still think I was deflecting attention onto TIP? If yes, is that because you find my reasoning to be bad? If so, why is it bad to form suspicions like that?

Yes, and I find your reasoning good for why TIP is scum, but not SK. He hasn't voted

everyone

and he could be hopping on anyone's lynch that isn't his scumbuddy. His way of playing is very ballsy as a serial killer.

I like you, Kattaze, but I think you're the serial killer.

@Mac
I guess you're right, since scum can hunt for SK too.

But Ank didn't think Kat was SK right off the bat. His scumread evolved into a SK read, which I guess is why I'm thinking Ank would be more town if Kat flips SK. But I see your point.

I don't see how an SK flip would make Ank more town. Please clarify.

Did you read what I said?

I said that Ank's scumread evolved into a serial killer read, so it's not like he was hunting for the SK. And then I said "I see your point", meaning that Ank wouldn't be a bona fide town read if Kat flips SK.

[Elyse]

Elyse, you are voting Kattaze because you think he is the SK. Does that mean you think, strategically, lynching SK is a better choice than lynching mafia today? If so/not, why do you think that?

No, I don't necessarily think that but I am more sure about Kattaze SK than TIP/mvmafia scum.

Mvmafia is at L-2. He's a good lynch, but I'm only switching if there's absolutely no way a Kat/TIP lynch will go through.

[Elyse]

I kinda agree with enomis. The fact that people are brushing off the possibility of mvmafia being town with stuff like this:

I agree with Dyslexicon's post. Sometimes I'm bothered by unanimous agreement, but I'm not in this case because mvmafia had been ignored by most of us until a few days ago. Also, for what it's worth, I've seen/heard of several cases where a particular suspicion of a player (who was scum) was unanimous.

Maybe it's just paranoia but I feel like this lynch is very rushed and Dyslexicon/Wicked are just trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

[Elyse]

I see what TIP meant. I thought the same thing at first.

When you crossed out 7 VTs and put 6, Rach, I thought you were saying mvmafia was a VT who just died. I forgot a VT died N0 and I'm sure that's what TIP meant too.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Kattaze

This guy is obv the SK. I mean come on. He automatically assumes scum and SK targeted the same person. Only afterwards he realized there should have been three NKs. He's overindulged with whatever the SK does. And I know people have a townread on him, but SKs aren't usually scummy. They play to kill scum too.

I highly doubt that all three factions targeted enomis. Ank had him as obvtown, so I guess I could see his motivation for killing him if he was scum, but enomis wasn't really a universal townread. Since enomis was the doc, his protection wouldn't have prevented a vig kill.

The night was pretty short so maybe people forgot to send in actions? I dunno.

[Elyse]

Since when is not agreeing with a lynch acting like you have more information, Dyslexicon?

I see your point about Ank repeating enomis obvtown (which I already said), but just because I wasn't gung ho over the mvmafia doesn't mean I'm scum.

[Elyse]

Elyse I liked your other avi
Please change it back

I got sick of that one.

[Elyse]

Where is everyone

[Elyse]

Dyslexicon is scummy but Kattaze is obviously the SK can we please lynch him?

[Elyse]

I've already explained.

[Elyse]

I'm here there's just not much to comment on. Kattaze is the SK and it's so damn obvious. Wake up people.

[Elyse]

Unvote
Vote: TIP

The kattaze wagon makes my eyes bleed. We aren't lynching him today.

Why? He's the SK!!!

[Elyse]

Unvote
Vote: TIP

The kattaze wagon makes my eyes bleed. We aren't lynching him today.

Why? He's the SK!!!

Your kattaze is the SK case sucks.

No it doesn't. You are just too closed-minded to change your opinion.

[Elyse]

Gah.

I know the case isn't that good but is there any better one for who might be SK? No. It's hard to pick that out because SKs can fit in with the town but I'm seeing red flags from Kattaze and I'm jumping on it.

If people still refuse to lynch him Dyslexicon's posts today have been bad and I would vote him.

[Elyse]

Um hunting SK is good because they aren't town and can kill whoever they want? And your posts are full of flawed reasoning. Like I already explained, disagreeing with a bandwagon does not equal scum.

[Elyse]

@Mod

V/LA until Wednesday the 17th

[Elyse]

UGH.
If/when I flip and Kattaze is still alive you better lynch him PRONTO.

Um hunting SK is good because they aren't town and can kill whoever they want? And your posts are full of flawed reasoning. Like I already explained, disagreeing with a bandwagon does not equal scum.

First of all I didn't say it equaled scum.

So what is the point of saying it? Are you saying that disagreeing with a bandwagon is anti-town or something? I'm not sure where you're going with the accusation if you're not calling me scum.
This is also very scummy. It's hard to explain but when someone accuses of something and you ask why it's scummy and they're like "I never said it was scummy", that's like a major scumtell to me. Scum don't want to accuse people of being scum so much because they know it's bs and they're just hoping someone else will pick up on it and hopefully vote with them.

It's not that you were disagreeing, it was the manner of witch you suggested specific people were "pulling the wool over our eyes" that could read as a setup.

Considering I'm not going after Wicked at all, I don't see that, but ok?

Also, issue with the SK thing is why not just focus on the non-town in general, but I guess I can see this if you really think Kattaze is the SK.

Yes I have that strong of a serial killer read on Kattaze. It pains me that I can't get it across well in a case, but what are you gonna do?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dyslexicon

[Elyse]

Elyse, damn, that was unnecessary, you aren't close to L-1 or anything

I know. It's because people are unvoting Kat, including myself, and I have a feeling I might die during the night, whether it be from the SK or scum I won't know. Although it'd probably be from the SK, considering it's Kattaze

@Dyslexicon
You basically repeated yourself so I'm not going to respond to what you said again.

[Elyse]

And you thought I would "get it" by saying the same thing again?

[Elyse]

Yeah we need a lynch

[Elyse]

Dyslexicon's last posts have me feeling better about the slot. I've still got my eye on him though.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: notscience

Rach is a lurking butt in every single game. I don't have a townread on her or anything but notscience/Kattaze is the serial killer so yeah.

[Elyse]

?

Kattaze admitted he was the SK to work with the town.

Some people want him alive to help kill scum but I want him dead.

[Elyse]

Well me and Ank are the only people who want to lynch you so you're probably safe for now.

If you were scum would you keep the SK alive?

If you were town would you keep the SK alive?

[Elyse]

So any ideas on who you're shooting tonight?

[Elyse]

[Elyse]

I do like you though. Just a tad scummy that's all.

But yes I do deserve a high five.

And yes I am a goddess.

[Elyse]

Hold on I just want to play this out in my head.

5 townies 2 scum.

Mislynch.

4 townies 2 scum.

Scum and vig kill townies.

2 townies 2 scum.

This is worst case scenario, assuming we neither lynch nor vig scum.

If we don't lynch/vig, then we have less of a chance of killing scum but we don't definitely lose.

I think we should either no lynch or have the vig not shoot. Obviously no-lynching and allowing the vig to kill would give scum the least amount of power over who dies. Would it be a good idea for everyone to give their top two scumpicks or just let the vig decide for him/her self? Or should we lynch and decide if the vig shoots based on the flip? (I.e. townflip, no shot, scumflip, shot)

[Elyse]

Also I KNEW someone would come in and vote me if I wasn't NK'd.

[Elyse]

You're really suggesting that we basically skip a day phase and rely on the vig to shoot instead of using this day phase to find scum?

No.

No one is suggesting that. No Lynch does not mean no scumhunting. And why are you afraid of using the vig? The vig shot is a shot that we know is directed by town.

[Elyse]

So what does everyone want to do?

[Elyse]

Well duh but do you want to lynch and vig, lynch and no vig, no lynch and vig, no lynch and no vig, lynch and vig if townflip, lynch and vig if scumflip, etc?

[Elyse]

Ok well I say we lynch and if it's a mislynch then the vig doesn't shoot and if it's a scumlynch then the vig shoots.

An alternative would be we no lynch and the vig shoots.

[Elyse]

I do think Rach is scummy, especially with Desperado's death (WIFOM), but why her over Mac?

[Elyse]

Why Mac?

[Elyse]

Well you never gave me an answer, so...

I want your reasons for voting Rach and Mac. This is a crucial vote, you know. Your "vote for whoever without giving a reason" bullshit can't slide here, ESPECIALLY considering you might be scum.

[Elyse]

Yes, you might be scum. So are you going to give reasons?

[Elyse]

@SD
I would be ok with either. I see your points for a NL but I also think that if we take the risk and lynch, and we lynch scum, it will be a major advantage.

[Elyse]

@Ank
How is VCA going to help when we haven't lynch scum yet?

[Elyse]

What kind of patterns?

Also why not do VCA whether or not we no lynch?

[Elyse]

It can help with the vig shot, right? I say do it because if it helps, great, and because I want you to put your money where your mouth is.

[Elyse]

@Mod
V/LA until August 5

I should be able to post everyday though.

[Elyse]

Why did you do that? You have one vote on you. And it's TIP's.

[Elyse]

Idk Wicked hasn't even posted yet

[Elyse]

I'm on my phone with limited wifi for this week and ill have to respond to Ank's VCA later.

My townread on him has only strengthened, but I still want him to explain his initial vote on me.

Rach is probscum. She's done nothing the entire game yet acts all pissy when people accuse her of scum. I know I'm next on the chopping block if/when she flips scum, but I'd be willing to die to help find the last scum.

If Rach is scum, the last scum is SD/Mac.

If she isn't, scum is TIP and SD/Mac.

I'm confident enough in my townreads on Wicked and Ank to eliminate them from the pool for right now.

[Elyse]

VOTE: RachMarie

L-1

[Elyse]

I think the vig should shoot if Rach flips scum.

[Elyse]

Rach you seem to be flailing now since your comments don't back what you've said previously and what you've said in the thread.

@Ank
How would I know that Kattaze was the SK as scum?

I understand that me tricking notscience into claiming doesn't get me towncred since scum hunt for the SK too. But it seems you are implying that I knew Kattaze was the SK and jumped on the opportunity of someone mentioning that idea.

[Elyse]

VOTE: yessiree

He's lying. I'm the cop. This is a scum gambit. And a bad one.

I haven't gotten any results whatsoever. I've been blocked every single night.

His story doesn't track. Being blocked N0 and N2 is believable. (Well duh since it happened to me), and even getting a result on Ank is believable if scum flipped vig or SK shenanigans occurred.

But getting a guilty on me is the flaw in this gambit. It doesn't make sense. Scum has the vig and cop switch left, and the SK is dead, making their switches unchangeable. Since Rach flipped town, scum knew the vig wasn't shooting and would obviously flip the cop. Yessiree knew he was in a tough place coming into the phase and I guess he thought he would get me mislynched and win the game, hoping you would believe him since he claimed first? He didn't think it through well enough. Though I am curious how he knew I was the cop (was it that obvious?) or if he just randomly picked me since I was in the hot seat-ish. (See how he didn't pick TIP)

ATTENTION: THE VIG SHOULD NOT CLAIM SINCE IT'S OBVIOUS WE ARE LYNCHING BETWEEN YESSIREE AND ME. WE NEED TO KEEP THE VIG ANONYMOUS THROUGH THE NIGHT. (SafetyDance is scummy for still suggesting massclaim)

As far as my night actions go,

N0: checked Ms Marangal - I've butted heads with her before and didn't want to read her wrong
N1: Kattaze - Obvious reasons, the no result strengthened my SK read because I thought he chose vig/cop
immunity
N2: RachMarie - She was scummy
N3: TIP - He was scummy

Yes is either scum with TIP or SafetyDance. I'll die tonight so Ankamius will have to decide in LyLo

[Elyse]

Lol you're lying. There's no scum cop. But thanks for playing.

Seriously he just realized his "plan" was wrong and now he's fixing it to adhere to what I said.

[Elyse]

Also you're lying about what I would do as scum.

As scum, if I knew the cop switch was flipped and you said you got a guilty on me, I would know you were lying.

Just please stop trying and let us lynch you. You can bus your buddy SD if you want,

[Elyse]

Oh my god I can't believe we're going to lose this game.

I accidentally put a comma instead of a period. That's so dumb.

You said I knew Kattaze was the SK because I was the mafia cop. Then you said something completely irrelevant to that. So please explain how I knew Kattaze was the SK and don't make up a reason like you did before.

@TIP, Ank
Don't you see the inconsistencies in what he's saying? He's changing his story around every time.

[Elyse]

Yes you are such a fake. You have changed what you said five times now and I can't believe you're actually convincing them.

I need to work on my persuasion skills I guess, especially since I have the truth on my side.

[Elyse]

And me lynching the SK has nothing to do with me being scum since THERE'S NO WAY I COULD KNOW HE WAS THE SK AS SCUM. You are ignoring the fact that I just refuted the major part of your case.

[Elyse]

But the "cause" of why I'm scum is wrong.

You said as scum, I would cc cop and as town I would claim vt/vig.

THIS IS INCORRECT AND HERE IS WHY:
As scum, I know that the cop switch was flipped. This means I know that your result on me is feigned. So, as scum, I would claim VT. As town, I would claim my role. Which is cop.

The whole premise of the gambit you made up on the spot is incorrect.

[Elyse]

Yeah but they seem to believe you when I'm pointing out the holes in what you are saying. I know your buddy is SD and he won't vote you. So it's up to TIP/Ank.

I want SD to comment on this because its obvious he doesn't want to look like yes' buddy.

[Elyse]

I'm antsy because they said they believe you and we will lose if they do. I'm always antsy anyway.

And I'm not discrediting your case compared to mine, but discrediting it according to logic.

[Elyse]

That sounded very fake and forced

[Elyse]

Welp congrats scum.

I guess I need to stay cooler under pressure but being town in LyLo and having someone claim your role and have others believe them is hard to stay calm about.

[Elyse]

I think it's pretty obvious that I'm town when EVERYONE ELSE wants to lynch me. Bussing now would be stupid.

But no, yes is town because he can't use logic but is somehow telling the truth.

[Elyse]

I just said that it doesn't make sense for me to be scum since bussing at LyLo is stupid. But you can continue to misrep me and seal the deal on my mislynch to win you the game.

[Elyse]

what

[Elyse]

I don't understand your post.

And how are you so sure that I'm the mafia cop switch? I think you are just saying that because

you

are and it fits nicely. I would still know whether or not the switch is flipped if I was the doc or vig switch. Why are you so sure I'm the cop switch?

[Elyse]

Oh please. Now that's just silly and desperate sounding. It was obvious you were referring to me as you've already called me the mafia cop. But still, you haven't responded to my questions.

[Elyse]

Ank, TIP, and SD all said they would probably vote for me.

And you stillll haven't answered my questions. But go ahead and keep avoiding them.

@TIP
Care to explain your thoughts? Or are you waiting for Ank or what?

[Elyse]

I'm pretty sure who it is, and I want Ank around so you two don't corrupt my thoughts

Ok.

And yessiree, no you didn't. I will phrase it easier.

Why do you think I am the mafia cop switch?

[Elyse]

"Trying to piss me off" is not something a townie would do and a crappy excuse for your false assumption.

I claimed cop because its my role and your are lying, meaning you are scum.

And how is asking TIP for his thoughts buddying him? And I don't think he's scum with you anymore anyway. I'm fairly confident the team is you/SD.

And asking TIP for his role is scummy af.

[Elyse]

Massclaim is not the optimal play here.

We are lynching between me and yessiree and having the vig claim is pointless. It just gives scum more info and the option to have their NK choice and depending on the switches and stuff it might mess it up.

Unless you think another clear would help you decide who is scum between me and yessiree...that makes sense for everyone else I guess but not for me.

Eg. You think I'm only scum with Ank and Ank claims vig, then yessiree is scum.

[Elyse]

Dooo do do dodo do do doo do do do do DO dododododo

[Elyse]

We should just lynch yessiree already and then lynch SD to win the game.

[Elyse]

I know but nothing is happening and I have like no games going on right now so I'm getting impatient and such.

[Elyse]

Ankamius, Mac was scummy af and now all of a sudden his ISO makes it obvious I'm scum?

And sorry if I have just one other active game on this site right now. I guess it's different for me because I know yes is scum and you guys have to make a choice and want more time.

But yeah it looks like scum will win this one because I'm pretty sure SD is yes' partner and TIP is the only one thinking logically. Ank is overthinking everything and he needs to simplify it and realize that yes is lying and his actions don't make sense.

I don't want to repeat myself, but yessire lied and changed his story and what he's saying doesn't even make sense. I'm not scum for CC'ing a cop claim WHEN I AM THE COP. If I was scum, I would say I was a VT because I knew the cop switch was flipped and his guilty on me was BS.

Yes tried to pull off a guilty on me, but when I pointed out the flaw in that, he said he was gambitting, but when I pointed out the flaw in that, he said I was scummy for lynching the SK, the only NON TOWN player we've actually managed to lynch. He just keeps changing his story when I haven't at all. And I know this is WIFOM but idc, as scum, wouldn't I at least fake an innocent result on someone to get them on my side like yes did with Ank? Why would I say I got blocked everytime when I have the chance to buddy up to someone?

If he wins this for actually failing at his gambit I'll be so mad. Seriously.

[Elyse]

@TIP

If you are town, make this decision on your own. You never know. Ankamius could be scum too.

Either way it seems that I'll be the lynch and we'll lose.

I guess what I'm saying is don't go down on a sinking ship? At least you'll have voted the right way when we lose...

This is just my pride talking I guess since I'll feel really dumb if everyone's against me and I'm actually telling the truth.

P-edit:

I am 100% sure yes is scum and there is a slight chance Ank or you is scum and I'm not changing my vote.

[Elyse]

I don't think he is either but there's always that slim chance and I'm 100% sure that yes is scum.

But I do want to see what yes says to this though.

[Elyse]

Obviously ill lynch SD over myself since I'm pretty sure he's scum too and I know I'm town.

But how stupid would it be, from my PoV at least, to lynch someone else when I have confirmed scum right here. Especially with the small chance that safety flips town.

[Elyse]

If TIP is scum my hat goes off to him, but yes seems mighty desperate to not get SD lynched.

TIP, I think both you and I know who the scumteam is. I'm keeping my vote on yes, but it's up to you and Ank now, since SD/yes are clearly working together.

[Elyse]

I literally said the same exact thing before. I dislike how you are comparing your own play to "true town meta in LyLo" when gambitting a result is far from that.

But you accused TIP of scum for trying to compromise when, from his PoV, it makes sense to lynch SafetyDance.

I'm not moving my vote from you and you're not moving your vote from me because I know you're scum and you would be lynched in a second if you changed your vote.

But if TIP is sure that SD is scum with either me or you, why is he scum for voting the common denominator? I just feel like you are grasping at straws to get get SD's name off the ballot for today when you know it's probably not happening anyway.

[Elyse]

Fuck. We're going to lose.

@TIP
Please vote for yessiree to give Ank at least the option of deciding. It is clear that Safety Dance is scum with yessiree and hopefully after his recent post Ank will come to that conclusion as well.

Ank I know you think I'm scum but you have to realize that I'm not. Who is my partner here? TIP? Maybe. SD? The person who just claimed intent to vote me in 24 hours which will win him the game and make us lose. Yessiree? Obviously not.

So unless you think the scumteam is me/TIP, which is REALLY unlikely given our D1 interactions, you need to use your gut here and vote for yessiree.

I don't want to put this pressure on you, but the game is in your hands right now. Choose wisely.

[Elyse]

Lol.

I'm not trying to implicate you as my partner. I don't have a partner. Why are you worried that I'm trying to implicate you as my partner? I thought you thought I was town.

SD claimed intent to vote me within 24 hours. All I'm asking is that you vote with me to give Ank the option of choosing.

Otherwise it's clear that I'll be lynched and we'll lose.

If you still think I'm scum after yessiree's obvious discrepancies and lies, then by all means, hammer me when SD votes. But I have faith in you that you'll make the right choice and we can hope that Ank will too.

[Elyse]

We're gonna lose we're gonna lose we're gonna lose

[Elyse]

I'm not flailing. There's nothing more I can do. I can only hope TIP votes for Yes and then Ank does too.

If we NL then we lose...if we lynch me we lose...

[Elyse]

All you said was that I had a holier than thou attitude and that it wouldn't make sense for yes to gambit on finding the town cop.

I don't know how to respond to that. I don't have a holier than thou attitude and I must have dropped some obvious cop tells or something. I don't know why he faked a guilty on me, but I know that if I was scum, I wouldn't have been like "bitch please, I'm a VT" and vote for him.

But instead I claimed my true role, cop, and now I'm getting crucified for it.

[Elyse]

I never said you said I was scum for a HTTA attitude. And what did I miss responding to?

Also I made I typo in 1217. It should read "I would've been like" not "I wouldn't have been like".

[Elyse]

Damn it.

Well I explained everything in the dead qt but I think scum deserved it. We would've won if we didn't mess up and no action on N1. But great game, guys! Good job PoPP.

[Elyse]

Thanks everyone. This was a really fun game. I love this setup and it was expertly modded. And it's only my second time being scum. I like it XD

[Elyse]

TIP

I have to say as mad as I was at the beginning of the game you were VERY fun to play with.

[Elyse]

Yeah my pre-game lowdown on everyone was really dumb in hindsight because I didn't realize that when you looked at people's posts, only a limited amount showed. I was basing it on post length anyway.