Open 508: The Law of the Jungle (Town Wins!)

[theslimer3]

Okay guys finally I can talk, and this sucks.

First off id like to say that Darthe looks like the fakest town ever. No matter what I read to his defense, he looks like he's barely covering himself using outside methods that don't even seem legit

cop claim? FUUUUU

Saki seems like the weakest person here so far. Actively posting and still giving crap. If anything we should be pressuring this guy

Oh you're town. K.

Now id just like to say that Titus is my town read. My strongest.


And if Darthe is WiFoMing a cop claim, I'll WiFoM a

Vanilla Town

claim.

Now I've seen a fake cop claim early in a game only once, and it was scum. I think it was Robo's game (irony much?)


But if we get a free scum kill, then so be it.

VOTE: Robocopter

[theslimer3]

Titus is one of the people I'm seeing who's actually attacking and getting into people. Asking the right questions and capturing my eyes. I'll defend him.

And I'll be honest, from the getgo, when I started reading, I started singling out Darth.

I'm cautious of Voodoo, maybe she's inactive, forgivable, but id like some more content from you before you give commands about controlling a wagon.

[theslimer3]

What, no. Voodoo. She said she wants to see a counterclaim before a wagon forms.
that doesn't sit right with me because it looks like she's hoping for it so she can nk it.

There's no doctor in this setup so it's 5 scum and 5 town. Looks like a mafia wifom to me. So cop, don't you dare claim if you're really real unless you're L-1'd or lylo.

Rack up some Conf scum for us.

And Darthe, if you really are Cop, come here, I need your hand so you can facepalm for me

[theslimer3]

3 votes and a cop's warrant for your lynch. Robo, what say ye in your defense?

[theslimer3]

Please show history of you doing this with other cop claims.

Seriously, why did you claim so early

[theslimer3]

So I think Jen was the person I was thinking of being partners with Robo, mainly because of Robo's sudden interest in Jen's slot. For some reason I thought I had a more solid associative, but maybe it's because

Boro

was the associative I was thinking of.

Yeah yeah, I know associatives don't matter until flips, but stating them in posts helps me keep them in check.

Oh yeah, and all the crap above about Darthe making a mistake is moot now, obviously.

I also have thoughts on another player in particular, but I'm gonna wait for some reactions first before saying anything.

inb4nottownieforhidinginformation

Not townie for hiding info. Lynch this pls

[theslimer3]

Okay. I suppose we wait for Robo before we continue.

I'm shocked they killed Zeofar though.

Why's that?

[theslimer3]

UNVOTE:

No ones hammering before he gets a chance to talk. If Robo is scum, he's a scum who could still help us.

He's cornered so to say, so whatever he says could be beneficial to helping us find more mafia.
Ending this day quickly will do nothing more than advance time. And time is precious to town.

[theslimer3]

Then let's give him a day to post. If he doesn't want to, fine, we'll kill him, as planned. His prod will be a lynch. Sound fair?

[theslimer3]

We lose the cop and a mislynch for day one and we're boned. I will not allow a counterclaim this early, let's just see if he's the real deal.

And if Darth is Warewolf, he's not playing for his faction to win, he's taking a huge risk that will fall through pretty soon.

So my guess is if Darth is fake claiming, him and his buddies decided on who was wolf last night, and created this scheme.


Now I'm not saying Darth is the scum in this, I'm only taking the highest route of.caution for if he is. It doesn't hurt us as town to be on the defenses, so why not?
One little slip could cost us the game if not a really jacked up 2 rl week long WiFoM battle at lylo. And by that time wed be better off flipping a coin.

So what's the harm in waiting for robo to speak?
He's our prisoner, and I want him to talk

[theslimer3]

No counterclaim. That cop is all we have to our offense in this game.

I forbid a counterclaim if there is one

[theslimer3]

@Slimer

Now I'm not saying Darth is the scum in this, I'm only taking the highest route of.caution for if he is. It doesn't hurt us as town to be on the defenses, so why not?

^This
doesn't seem to match that:

Looks like a mafia wifom to me.

I'm interested in what made you think at the time of the above post that this was more likely mafia wifom than real seer. Your first post didn't come across as you being cautious, but rather that you didn't believe Darthe.

I have doubts, yes.

Why are you selectively reading?

I'm very plainly saying that there could be a mafia footprint in this, and that we should be on the defenses. What about it contradicts? It's almost like you're trying to find something in my logic to tear it apart.

Just curious, if there was a real cop, would you want them to claim?

[theslimer3]

I believe that you are extremely confused, or posting the,largest fluff wall i've ever seen o.O


Darth - possible liar.
No cop counterclaim.
Robo - possible wolf.
Let's hear him out.

Only it's that we're lynching robo regardless unless he has some sort of motivational speech pushing us to someone else ken something.

Plus, 2 scum on two different sides are not worth our seer. So that negotiation is out of the picture.

[theslimer3]

The above post supposes Darthe is not the seer. There is a remote chance Darthe is bussing but I find that very unlikely.

Here, drink one of these

[theslimer3]

No videos or pics allowed?

[theslimer3]

Guys have just had a quick scan through the thread as am sat at JFK, will read fully tomorrow and post some content, I see we are still waiting for Robo to make a reply, and it will be interesting. I have also noticed something in thread surrounding Phil and Slimer, but need to re read as it actually may be nothing and I am reading it wrong as I am on my phone.

That thread you're winding could get you lynched

[theslimer3]

That's L-1. Robos got at least 4 hours.


So in the mean time, how was everyone's summer? Had fun?

[theslimer3]

Why would I die tomorrow?

Titus wouldn't drink his. Would you mind drinking one of these?

Deleted double post.

[theslimer3]

At first I thought he was avoiding us, but maybe he's inactive. He hasn't posted since 2 days ago.

Anyone okay if I hold off the hammer till tomorrow?

[theslimer3]

I always look a little scummy. That's why i'm never night killed.

[theslimer3]

Two scum teams here.
One is losing a member. If he wants to have any chance for letting his last member live, he's going to have to work with us until the mafia is gone

[theslimer3]

Was that..
Is it me or did that look like wolf on wolf? I mean at this point, i'm probably TRYING to see it, but that seems like what it was. Could I get someone else to tell me i'm crazy?

[theslimer3]

AT THE RUBIKS CUBE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS

WHAT THE FRICK HAPPENED, WHY AM I BEING VOTED

DARTHE SERIOUSLY? IM VT WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING

Looks like

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING? THIS WASN'T WHAT WE PLANNED. THIS MAKES NO SENSE.

From a vt perspective, obviously fake (or sarcasm) From a wolf's perspective, he's flailing at confusion. A cop claim doesn't bring confusion usually, does it?

[theslimer3]

Search Boro for me. Tell me what you get

[theslimer3]

I hope you understand what I mean

[theslimer3]

Post post post post post post post post post post post post post post post post post post post post post post post post post.

Alright lemmie read up.

[theslimer3]

I can't say that was unexpected. First things first, I believe we are not in mylo. If we mislynch, the wolf will be paralyzed from shooting. If the wolf hits a town, he has signed his own death warrant. To that end, we should be as aggessive as possible in our accusations and attempting to analyze players and blocks that form or may form. This relationship analysis would likely lead us towards mafia suspects.

Also, we should take a deeper look at Robo's ISO to see if we can find the wolf.

That's the analysis I intend to do when I return home in the afternoon.


I do agree with targeting the mafia today if we picked one over the other. However, you ate just wrong about me being mafia.

Based on yesterday, Slimer needs more pressure.

VOTE: theslimer3

TL;DR: I think lynching Mafia today is the best choice.

I'll reread the rest later, but this completely sticks out. Why exactly a Mafia? There are 3 of them and they're not the killing faction. Killing one of them only strickens their intelligence. Killing the last wolf stops the night kills.

If I'd have to say, that was a mafia claim by means of reverse psychology.

[theslimer3]

^ that was me talking

[theslimer3]

Of course the new page breaks me.

@Bo: I will catch up.
But in the mean time, I'd like for you to answer me this, why mafia over wolf?

@Tidus: There's 3 of them all observing, plotting and trying to stay alive to win this. If one of them dies, there's a tighter budget of brains to go around, don't you think?

[theslimer3]

this is his entire contribution.

Yeah. I also just subbed in.

Voodoo Lady 8
BoroPhil 6
TheSlimer 5
Jennifer 5
Does Bo Know 4
Stubbs 2
Titus 1

These numbers represents what?

Prod evade, post later. Hi

[theslimer3]

This isn't going to work. I want to be in the game, but not right now. If I V/La you'll lynch me.

Would you all refer I replace out, or can we be civilized while I take a little break from MS?

[theslimer3]

Prefer*

[theslimer3]

Why am I L-1 O_O

[theslimer3]

So we're going on to lynch everyone who has their scum reads set to "maybe we should lynch him" as their strongest basis, with the exception of the below:

2) Linxie foses Saki and myself, for the voting on Robocop and Darthe. Linixie becomes NB (no significant posts) who becomes the Slimer. Slimer's first and only vote was on Robocop and he had conflict with Borophil, and significantly questioning Darthe.

On a completely different note, Slimer is a possible Lynch candidate for me. That paranoid quote from yesterday keeps going through my mind.

First, Titus, you're clearly making connections that make no sense. You're tying to say "Linxie votes

Robocop

and blah blah blah, now slimer comes in and does the same.

If you're trying to say that we're bussing, I think you're quite wrong here, those connections are full of fallacy and you should feel bad.

As for Stubbs, that "paranoid post" was me acting cautious, that's what I do. Think. I try to play out every possibility before believing something, that's just how I am.
But you wouldn't know that, so I'll come at this from another angle.

A player being paranoid isn't scumlike. So explain to me how you think it is.

VOTE: IceGuy

I think I would prefer him or theSlimer for today.
I'm still unsure about who the other 2
Are.

And how exactly are you going from "Possibly slimer" to "Yep I want slimer. Slimer me want dead. So I'll settle for ice guy instead.

meaning?

Whom isn't even doing much scum hunting himself. I may be bad in this game, but at least I'm trying when I can. This guy is melting and drowning us with fluff.



The point is, you're lynching me because I'm lynchable at this point and that's just plain awful.


And Yes, if I'm the wolf, I would claim and be the Town's Doggie Vig, it'd save my hide here.

I think the idea is a good idea now though. Because at this point mafia has a pretty big lead by bringing us into lylo tomorrow, so

I'd ask for the actual wolf not to kill tonight. And if you're at L-1, you should claim, just in case.

Of course there's a lowered chance to win, but if you actually want to win, I'd find it smart for you to.


I now see why it's better to get a mafia today rather than a wolf.


I claim Vanilla Townie. Sorry for the inactivity.

[theslimer3]

Why am I L-1 O_O

Probably because your only reaction to being at L-1 is "Why am I L-1 O_O".

That doesn't make any sense.

The group consensus is that you have a hidden tail that comes out at night. Your associative tells seem to be pretty strong. Then there's the total lack of contribution and comment on anything in D3.

Well I'm stressed out. It wasn't V/LA, but I'm just saying. And I'm (somewhat) here now.

[theslimer3]

Yeah, telling everyone who i think is scum is the first thing i'll do when i'm about to get lynched

[theslimer3]

Well first I'd like to say that I really don't like how Titus and Voodoo are just up and assuming I'm mafia, pushing for my hammer. It's just kinda... MIND BLOWN.


I'd say my highest suspect of mafia is Iceguy. At this point it looks like he's just lurking and cruising his way by the game.

Boro, my suspect for wolf. Don't remember why though.

If we're gonna lynch anyone tomorrow, I suggest Iceguy. From there, maybe Voodoo. Idk anymore.

But:

WOLF DON'T KILL TONIGHT

WOLF DON'T KILL TONIGHT

WOLF DON'T KILL TONIGHT

WOLF DON'T KILL TONIGHT

That is all. See you at the end game

[theslimer3]

oh ok I've googled it.

LMAO.


I'm focused on the wolf because like it or not, if he want's to survive, he has to team up with the town. And I'll be honest, I like the idea of a scum-town alliance. It provokes fun and excitement into the game that I've never had before.

But seriously I'm VT. A poor little old VT who has misfortune in this game :c

@Voodoo: I really was about to fight even more, but I realized how that wouldn't help anyone. So I gave up who I thought was scum and let things pass. (well 2 of them anyway)

I was always the one to stay alive for my own selfish reasons. A team mate only wanting to do things on his own. Well, there's no I in team. But there is a me >.>
But seriously. If we want to win this game, we'll need all the help we can get. No time for me to bitch and moan, it's my fault.

[theslimer3]

@Voodoo/Slimer, can you make the case on IceGuy? I am not seeing it.

I'll make this in more detail come D4, but the tl/dr version is this: he's contributed absolutely nothing and gone after the easiest lynches based on weak facsimiles of other players' reasoning.

Pretty much this.
Actually, why are we lynching me again? It's like you're going to mcdonalds, when an all you can eat buffet is cheaper

[theslimer3]

VOTE: Ice guy

Me or him. The choice is yours. I feel dead anyway, so I'll leave this on the table and step back.

[theslimer3]

I like how you killed anyway after we lynched mafia. Then you hit another mafia, bravo. I'll admit, I was obsessed with a wolf - town relationship.

And if anyone was wolf, id say it was Dbk tbqh.

More info later.

V/LA for 3 days

[theslimer3]

Slimer, just answer whether you want to target a Wolf or a Mafia today.

Wolf obviously

[theslimer3]

One does not simply vote everyone he has a strong scum read on

[theslimer3]

Dammit, I wanted to sarcastically bite the shit out of that comment

[theslimer3]

Right now, yeah I do

[theslimer3]

Well to simply have it put, you're likely the only one who would've shot Titus.

[theslimer3]

Imo ofc

[theslimer3]

You keep wanting me to be lynched yet you're obsessed with killing the wolf.
And yeah, I'm not the wolf, but
Why are you continually bringing up that I'm mafia? In a normal situation, you should just bring it up, say I'm who you're going after next, then let it rest. But instead you're continually bringing it up like it's a build up excuse to have me in your FoS for any situation.

It doesn't make sense, but I'm so sleepy that I hope that made at least a little

[theslimer3]

From

I'd vote the shit out of you if lynching the wolf wasn't a much better situation for us.

to

You could very well be town.

Such a stable man you are.

[theslimer3]

I'm going to eat the shit out of that post when I get to my hotel.

[theslimer3]

For me, mafia and wolf have to be two of Voodoo, Phil, and Slimer.

As far as I know, you pullled these names out of a hat.

I think Slimer has been pretty shady and doesn't feel like town to me, or trying to scumhunt and figure out the group.

I made it pretty clear that if I was wolf, I would claim.
And on the same note, I have scum hunted. I've lead the tumblewagon on ice against my own lynch and it succeeded. And I know you didn't read much so I'm being less harsh, but you should really check out those posts leading up to the lynch.

[theslimer3]

Think of what you just said there then.
"Idk what he's read."
"Well he surely didn't suspect iceguy"

[theslimer3]

I'd say my highest suspect of mafia is Iceguy. At this point it looks like he's just lurking and cruising his way by the game.

VOTE: Ice guy

Me or him. The choice is yours. I feel dead anyway, so I'll leave this on the table and step back.

VOTE: Ice guy

Me or him. The choice is yours. I feel dead anyway, so I'll leave this on the table and step back.

You know what? Let's see if we can't get this wagon rolling. Boro, join me.

VOTE: Ice Guy

Hmmmm

I'll call your bluff.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: IceGuy.

blergh. I might end up regretting this, but you are right on one thing DBK, I have consistently called Ice scum. and Stubbs/Voodoo are on boards who I think are town to differing degrees.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: IceGuy

Just saying

[theslimer3]

Yeah, you have no idea how peaceful it is on my end..

But back to the game: I don't know. I tend to do that a lot

[theslimer3]

Oh god dammit, no I'm not lurking -.-

[theslimer3]

Well I know I'm innocent, and I've stated why I wasn't posting. He was actually "getting away with it".

[theslimer3]

Alright fine, call it lurking. But I'm town.
And I know that.
Even if no one cares to aknowledge it, that's what I find true, so blah >.>

@above: Yes

[theslimer3]

VOTE: DBKVOTE:
My choice.

[theslimer3]

e.e

[theslimer3]

I'd like to state that if anything, Jen is not the wolf. So if we nail mafia, that pretty much confirms her as town

[theslimer3]

Reason being is because I really don't think she would have targeted titus

[theslimer3]

Boro is wolf, Stubbs is mafia.

VOTE: Boro

take your pick really. Jen, DBK and Titus seem the towniest of the remaining 7, so by process of elimination the other 4 must be scum. the only caveat I'd put on that is that voodoo is so dis-interested she has to be town. smidger and stubbs have been so indistinct I thought they were the same person. IceGuy comes storming in and votes for Voodoo, mafia voting for mafia early on to put some distance between them?

My reads on Jen, DBK and Titus are surely bound to be wrong on at least one of them, but I can't justify voting for any of them at this stage.

so I'm happy to go with one of:

stubbs
Ice
Voodoo
slimer

quite like my mafia voting for mafia idea so let's stick it on voodoo for the moment

VOTE: voodoo

This is based on his 180 re: Jennifer.

[theslimer3]

^ I don't understand. Why?

[theslimer3]

VOTE: DBK

[theslimer3]

It could be Slimer, but I don't think it is. He's the only one I'm sure of that isn't town.

So, I think we need to lynch Slimer today, see how he flips and work from there. if it's 3 vs 1 tomorrow, so be it.

But why

[theslimer3]

That shows me no thought process what soever...

[theslimer3]

Well, the quoted text is the reason I get the read. What's not clear about it?

This is what makes you scum.

[theslimer3]

Wait a sec. You'll see what i'm doing

[theslimer3]

You do.

Waiting for you slimer before I respond to stubbs.

Huh?

[theslimer3]

Your logic is right to an extent.
But on your 3/1/1 there's a 5050 on that mafia/wolf win.
Especially when a NL + a Town NK happens (rly dumb, but would be funny to see mafia and wolf left)

But idk. Kill wolf and not worry about it?

[theslimer3]

Slimer

Definitely Slimer.

Sigh...

Hi... I have skimmed, but it hasn't been a quality read yet.

I just don't see Stubbs as scum. I skimmed through his ISO again briefly, and he called out his concerns about Titus, he expressed preference for voting Iceguy, his lists were consistent. So Stubbs and Bo are just town reads I don't see voting today.

So the mix of 2 of the 3 is Slimer, Voodoo, Phil.

If I'm wrong about Slimer, then I think that Phil is Robo's wolf. I've wavered over Phil throughout the game, thinking at times his inconsistencies means he is conf-scum and other times thinking that just because a person is logically inconsistent doesn't mean they're scum... but maybe I'm overthinking it and it's as obvious as it seems.

Okay. So Slimer seems to be a general consensus, if a lynch is going to happen.

Stubbs looks like second place, and I look like third, if I'm not tied with Phil for third.

I'd really like a wolf lynch, but Stubbs doesn't seem as likely as Slimer.

Meh, I'll switch to Slimer if deadline gets here soon, but until then, still confident in Stubbs-wolf.

Yes. Everyone is saying we should lynch slimer. All 2 of you.

Why are you rushing a lynch on me?

[theslimer3]

I'm not rushing, really. The game's kinda slowed down today because we're all split on lynch decisions.

Good thing we didn't have this problem yesterday or the day before. Or any other game.

[theslimer3]

I was waiting for stubbs to ask why so I called him scum for what he did so he can see how being vague doesn't help. But I guess the mouse didn't come out his house for the cheese.

[theslimer3]

Yes, but only because of poe to Me. And unfortunately I don't see your lynch happening.

But i'm too afraid to let you go because i'm so certain

[theslimer3]

All of a sudden you're being so descriptive. I'm so proud :')

[theslimer3]

Yeah, Slimer's comments made me get out of the tunnel and look at others(VL in particular)

I wonder if dbk could do that to me

[theslimer3]

Well it certainly doesn't help that you're still my #1 Mafia suspect. When you stop suspecting a player you were tunneling, other things become clear. If you're town, you should try it some time. I stopped tunneling Phil, and since then we're at a pretty good town advantage.

Mafia doesn't want to have the wolf lynched. Leaves them at a heavy disadvantage. So I don't see Slimer's lack of hammer to indicate anything more townie about Slimer.

No. If I were mafia id still want the wolf dead because i'm clearly his next choice for a nk

[theslimer3]

Here's the deal-- if we lynch the wolf today we're at LyLo.

The wolf claims. We agree to keep the wolf alive under the condition that they serve as our vigilante until all the scum are dead. This effectively gives us a double lynch.

If the wolf fails to kill all the mafia and there are three players left, then they win the game if they place their vote on the scum. Thus, they are not playing against wincon. (And there's no way they can rig the scenario up like that, because not killing scum will make a mafia victory.

VOTE: Stubbs

Also, happy birthday, Slimer. :0)

Thanks for the birthday wish <3


And about that wolf claim plan, doesn't that seem townie to you all?

[theslimer3]

Wait

Why on Earth is Voodoo mafia again?

I don't effing know. Bo thought so once. Does bo know?

[theslimer3]

Her attitude stayed pretty stagnant... And it did seem very Townie to me but...
Why can't we just lynch you? T.T

[theslimer3]

Her attitude stayed pretty stagnant... And it did seem very Townie to me but...
Why can't we just lynch you? T.T

That's not really a reasonable answer to why you thought she seemed townie for her wolf plan.

In fact that's not even close to a real answer.

Such a plan of outing the wolf is detrimental to mafia mainly because it pretty much poes everyone afterwards.
Only the wolf can kill, so as far as mafia gaining benefit from it, there's no reason. And as to why someone from a mafia faction would even consider it seems too stupid in the first place. And if she were wolf, well yeah, she would have claimed imo


Then there's the iceman push. Voodoo is town.
And you're just the one following at the end of our shotwagons, which may I add, you're still very likely Scum for it

[theslimer3]

Voodoo, join my wagon :c

[theslimer3]

Alright if you wanna go back to stubbs i'll do it now

But i'm not lynching Jen or Voodoo.

[theslimer3]

O.o

I hate you -.-

[theslimer3]

I was so determined. So bound by finding truth. That kinda killed the game.

Also I was so sure you were inno >.>

[theslimer3]

VOTE: Voodoo

No mercy. If the wolf is stubbs then he'll have to aim at a townie instead of you.

I'm adding mystics back into the game, and since you've outed yourself as scum, you've already hammered yourself