Open 508: The Law of the Jungle (Town Wins!)

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VOTE: Lynxie

close enough to a wolf.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Voodoo Lady

No-one should put that much effort in an RVS vote.

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One vote in jest is okay. Two, maybe.

Four is scummy.

unvote

Two: maybe
Three: ???
Four: Scummy

So what's three? Why did you leave it out, because you were three?

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Darthe not mentioning the werewolves does not make him scum.
The overeagerness in Titus's "scumhunting" looks a bit forced. It's like he's actively trying to look town.

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Titus, I vallend your behaviour "trying to look town", I did not mention anything about pointing out slips.
Where do you get that??

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Titus

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Ebwop: "vallend" = "called"

Stupid phone

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[quote="Titus]Why would town be debating who to kill? Town would be debating who to lynch?[/quote]

Now that I'm on a computer, I can quote!


This one especially makes me think you want to appear town. It was an obvious mistake to mix up lynch and kill. Yet you picked up on it and felt the need to point it out.

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Saki,

Who do you think is scum and Why?

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Titus, I must have missed that post.

However, I have already quoted what specifically bothered me.
It was the lynch-kill mixup where you immediately jumped on.

Are you having as much trouble as me getting these games not mixed up?
There's another game with a lot of the Same players I'm in.

I'll try and make a better post later, it's not easy reading on a phone.

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Stubbs,

why are you voting Titus over the others who also are voting Darthe? Doesn't your argument of trying to appear townie also apply to them?

No. The reason I'm voting Titus is not because of his vote on Darthe.

I need to catch up but I don't really have much time right now.

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I just did a major catchup in another game. I'll try and do the same here tomorrow.

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6.NicolBolas Jennifer

Town

Jennifer: Reading that ISO last, I actually found myself agreeing with most of her posts. Questions are good.

Leaning Town

Robocopter87: Consistent on his reads. Not afraid of calling out others(in particular Titus and Darthe)
Darthe: Misrepped the setup and mostly had to defend himself constantly. He did a good job doing so and his reads list looks pretty good.
Smudger: Decent analysis. I was in a game that recently finished where he was scum and won. So I'll need to check it. This can not happen again
BoroPhil: I understand he's very new? He seems to be doing what he can, without sticking out. The post where he mentions he's not sharing all his reads, got me questioning him though. Always share, Phil. There's no reason not to.
Lynxie: Not much to go on. I like his thought pattern. Reason for leaning town is mostly gut though.

Null

Voodoo Lady: Very little to go on. No reads.
Dyslexicon: Not much content, but what he has provided seems alright.

Leaning Scum

Zeofar: Questions Robocopter, when he doesn't get an answer, doesn't push further.
Saki: Everybody is null. Darthe and Zeofar are scum. No townreads?

Scum

Titus: Wants to appear town by "scumhunting": comments RoboCopter for not RVSing. Darthe misreps the setup and he's all over him. Voodoo Lady makes a word slip and he's all over her. He's also paranoid as to why I'm voting for him, even though I've explained it many times already. Then he takes it to the next level by questioning my RVS vote on Voodoo Lady. At first, I was more suspicious about the word slip on VL, but now that I'm rereading, the constant picking on Darthe's setup misrep bothers me a lot too.

So yeah, my vote is staying for now.

Titus, who do you think is town?
Darthe, you provided 4 townreads

Jennifer looks town
Voodoo too
Stubbs as well
And I like Smudger

Could you tell me why you think they(and me) look town?

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Well, his calling out doesn't feel forced. Yours does. Every time.

Titus, Why are they town?
Saki, if you don't have any reads, you need to reread the thread. How are you going to catch scum if you don't have any reads? The only answer to not having reads is being scum, because they don't need reads, they only need to survive.

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They are forced because you're jumping on people making mistakes instead of making slips.

We could have this discussion for 50 more pages. I think your attitude is forced. You say it isn't. Period.

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They are forced because you're jumping on people making mistakes instead of making slips.

We could have this discussion for 50 more pages. I think your attitude is forced. You say it isn't. Period.

I just did.

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I'll be on V/LA for the entire weekend. Might pop in on Sunday(but don't count on it)

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Okay. I suppose we wait for Robo before we continue.

I'm shocked they killed Zeofar though.

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Because there were a lot of people scumreading him(me included)

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Robo has been posting in other games.

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Hmm... Let's hope my last scumread is a good one then

At least I'm glad I stood up for Darthe, so I wasn't completely wrong

VOTE: Robo

You're right

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He did. We've been waiting way longer

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I think you should see a psychiatrist if you read that.

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To be honest, I'm very much doubting my scumread on Titus right now.
His posts from day 2 look pretty good.

I'll need to do some rereading as my day 1 reads were pretty bad obviously.

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I'm happy with Lynching either, but I would prefer the wolf I think. We have no guarantee that a wolf will kill mafia.

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I've been lazy with this game. Some of my other games took a lot of my time. One has finished now, so I should be able to catch up soon. I'm not home tomorrow, so it'll likely be Friday. There's still a lot of time left though, so this should not be a problem.

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VOTE: Titus

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To be honest I was looking for a reaction.

I was reading Phil as angry town while catching up, and I was thinking Titus would agree with me, but he didn't.
So I'm worried about that.
So I decided to vote him to see if I could get something out of him.
I also wanted to see what DBK would have to say on it, to see if there is a possibility on both of them being scum.

I was expecting to have at least one of them point out the fact that I said I liked Titus's play on day 2 and that I was probably wrong about him on day 1.

But that didn't happen. So I'm not sure what to make from that.

To be honest, I think it could be anyone at this point, but ironically, I think Phil is the least likely.

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It's hard to say.
I kept going back and forth on him, but In the end I ended up with town. Most of it is gut feeling.
If I am wrong, I think it's more likely he's wolf than mafia.

That Lynch pool would be hard to fake as mafia, I think. I'm not sure of anyone though.

I didn't think you would feel threatened, but I definitely thought you would bring that post up.

On a completely different note, Slimer is a possible Lynch candidate for me. That paranoid quote from yesterday keeps going through my mind.

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VOTE: IceGuy

I think I would prefer him or theSlimer for today.
I'm still unsure about who the other 2
Are.

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Titus, remind me why Phil is scum please. I'm not seeing it.

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Voodoo's plan? My thoughts:

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Weird to suggest such a thing.

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I think it's unrealistic, asking a wolf to claim.

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Slimer/Ice : 7
Titus/VL: 6
DBK/Jen: 5
Phil: 4

Something like that I suppose.
First 2 I would vote.
Next 2 are my other scum atm
Next 2 I think my be town
Last one is likely town

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Because I'm less sure about them.
I would prefer lynching out of the top pair.

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I missed the wagon

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I missed the wagon

it's L-1

I know. I can only hammer, not ride that beautiful wagon

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I'd like to see some posting before hammering though.

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I'd like to see some posting before hammering though.

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Not this again.

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So if it was a joke, why did you seriously unvote? That statement could've been said without unvoting.

it emphasised the joke?

he might have actually voted and I could have hammered?

are you guys all american? is this why you don't understand my jokes? of course I don't really believe you don't understand them.

I'm not!

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Slimer, unless you're going to post your reads fast, I'm hammering.
You've been warned.

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I love it when I'm right.
More later.

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Yeah, this is totally wierd. This doesn't seem like mafia play. Maybe Slimer's faking us out because he's the wolf. Voodoo could be using Slimer's words to get me to doubt my reads.

This looks more like resigned wolf. He's overfocusing on the wolf (notice the bold) and throwing out whatever he thinks will stick.

Supposing Slimer is still the lynch, and I live, I am going to have to rethink on Voodoo, especially if Slimer's the wolf. There's enough content here after the flip to move one way or the other.

this makes me think Slimer is mafia.

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@Slimer, are you even reading? Voodoo would be a better play but I think Slimer wouldn't consider Slimer because she's bussing him and Slimer won't crossbus. You seem to be protecting Voodoo.

This on the other hand, makes me think Voodoo is town.

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A question though if IceGuy is scum. why did he not hammer slimer?

This also makes me think Phil is town.

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because I wanted to see what IceGuy did, considering there is a good chance they are both mafia and he was getting that vote in to make it look like they weren't. do I want to be explaining this?

That theory doesn't really make sense though Boro. Iceguy started the train on Voodoo today.

well doesn't that make perfect sense? replace in,

what's the best way to distance yourself from a scumpartner? vote for them straight away, knowing there is a good chance it won't end in a lynch

I'd rather lynch Ice/DBK ahead of slimer,

but I tried to get both going and neither seemed to be happening.

Though all 3 are more than likely scum so I'm happy with slimer.

So, how come when IceGuy votes Voodoo, it's scum distancing because the lynch isn't likely, but when you vote IceGuy and the lynch ended up not being likely, it's okay?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BoroPhil

C'mon, we need this guy lynched.

Trying to derail the IceGuy wagon here?

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Boro:

We know that the wolf was someone who suspected Titus of being scum.

That narrows down the list of suspects somewhat.

No, we don't know that.

Why do you know that?

Because Titus is dead.

This is such an obvious inference I didn't even think it needed explanation.

WIFOM

Who says the wolf was targeting for scum?

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Right, I missed the end of the last day until now.

Slimer is Mafia.
I have no idea about the wolf. Could be anyone, although I think Phil is less likely.

VOTE: Slimer

Maybe I'm wrong and he's the wolf, who knows. I just don't see him as town.

And anyone who thinks Titus and me could both be mafia are insane.

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because Slimer is scum?

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Right, I missed the end of the last day until now.

Slimer is Mafia.
I have no idea about the wolf. Could be anyone, although I think Phil is less likely.

VOTE: Slimer

Maybe I'm wrong and he's the wolf, who knows. I just don't see him as town.

And anyone who thinks Titus and me could both be mafia are insane

.

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Why are you ruling out Slimer, Phil?

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yeah tbh I don't really think you are mafia, I'm certain Jen is. so there is a 1% chance of you being mafia. so it's bad hedging of bets.

don't you think we should be looking for the other wolf?

I want to go for the one most likely to be wolf or mafia.
There is no option that Slimer is town in my head, so he's got to go, whatever he is.

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I don't think slimer can be mafia mainly because Titus targeted him a lot. I don't think he is wolf because he was screaming for the wolf not to kill yesterday when he looked doomed. Robo also commented on the unfairness of Linxie (slimer) being prodded and I don't think he would have done that for a fellow wolf.

I think town has a better chance of winning if we take out the wolf, and we have two pops at it. If we take out mafia today it sends us into 3-1 v the wolf with little idea of who they are.

Titus's targeting of Slimer smells like distancing to me.

And the screaming not to kill looks like an attempts to look town.

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My guess is he thought he couldn't pull something like that off and he went for a scumbuddy to distance.

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by the way, Phil, if I really was the wolf, do you think I would have put Robo on my leaning town list on day 1?

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where would I expect you to put him if you were the wolf?

null-leaning scum-scum?

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Why would I care what I'm lynching if I'm the wolf?

I wanted reads from Slimer, to have something to go on after his flip.

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DBK, your read on Slimer?

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The problem I have with Jennifer, is that I have a townread on her.
And if I read your post, so do you. Why the vote on her anyway?

What's keeping you from voting Slimer instead?

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True. I wasn't around much on day 1, but that was the case in all of my other games as well. Maybe you can confirm this yourself, as you were modding one of them.

Day 2 went really fast with the guilty result on Robo.

I think my activity on day 3 was a lot better, I only missed the last part with the speedwagon on IceGuy.



I don't see how my activity level determines my alignment.

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Unfortunately you're wrong though.

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I was out of town today and also will be tomorrow, so my activity will be pretty low.

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Mafia can't win unless both wolves are dead, no?

Which is why I'm not convinced the wolf was hunting mafia.

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let me rephrase that.

Mafia couldn't win if they didn't have a majority over town/wolf combined.

Considering there's now only 1 mafia left, this isn't really an issue, but it was my reasoning for the wolf's night kill not being mafia-hunting.

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I think Slimer is our best choice.
I actually think he's mafia and not wolf, but at least he's not town.

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Welk my mafia pick is Slimer, so I don't see Jen as a good Lynch.

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Phil, you're now wanting to lynch both Jen and DBK, yet your vote is on me. Why?

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So I'm still your best bet for wolf?

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Phil, that comment is not going to make people stop voting you, on the contrary.

Me, mafia? I already said anyone thinking this is insane.

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I could say the same to you, you know.
Hoever, I try and show you Why I'm town instead of complaining about you voting me.

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Phil, that comment is not going to make people stop voting you, on the contrary.

Me, mafia? I already said anyone thinking this is insane.

"Telling people they'd have to be insane to think you're mafia isn't going to make them think you're not mafia."

"You'd have to be insane to think I'm mafia!"

Anyway, my reasoning behind this suspicion is in 910.

Were you around during day 1? How can you possibly think Titus and I can be in a scum team together?

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I've always said I would prefer to lynch the wolf. I'm not sure who that is though.

It could be Slimer, but I don't think it is. He's the only one I'm sure of that isn't town.
I really don't want to mislynch today, that could put us in a possible 2 vs 1 vs 1 situation, which is terrible.

So, I think we need to lynch Slimer today, see how he flips and work from there. if it's 3 vs 1 tomorrow, so be it.

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That would depend on the mod, I think.

I've seen a recent game with No lynch, no kill, for a couple of days until the mod said he would call it a draw if it went on like that.

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sorry I misread your 2v1v1 as 2v1

Indeed you did. The problem in the 2v1v1 scenario is, we

need

to lynch the wolf first.

Which is not the case right now. If we lynch him and he turns up mafia, we'll still have a chance to win.

P-edit: That's true. The difference is, my biggest suspect for scum/wolf is gone, and I won't be going back and forth to figure out if he's mafia or wolf.

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Yeah, this is totally wierd. This doesn't seem like mafia play. Maybe Slimer's faking us out because he's the wolf. Voodoo could be using Slimer's words to get me to doubt my reads.

This looks more like resigned wolf. He's overfocusing on the wolf (notice the bold) and throwing out whatever he thinks will stick.

Supposing Slimer is still the lynch, and I live, I am going to have to rethink on Voodoo, especially if Slimer's the wolf. There's enough content here after the flip to move one way or the other.

this makes me think Slimer is mafia.

@Slimer, are you even reading? Voodoo would be a better play but I think Slimer wouldn't consider Slimer because she's bussing him and Slimer won't crossbus. You seem to be protecting Voodoo.

This on the other hand, makes me think Voodoo is town.

A question though if IceGuy is scum. why did he not hammer slimer?

This also makes me think Phil is town.

Right, I missed the end of the last day until now.

Slimer is Mafia.
I have no idea about the wolf. Could be anyone, although I think Phil is less likely.

VOTE: Slimer

Maybe I'm wrong and he's the wolf, who knows. I just don't see him as town.

And anyone who thinks Titus and me could both be mafia are insane.

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I did not drop my scumread at all.

On day 2, Robo was the obvious lynch.

On day 3, I admitted Titus's play was better, but later went back on my read because I thought town Titus would have seen Phil as town as well.

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Stubbs, where you say 'x' is town/mafia/scum, can you actually explain what you mean?

what are you referring to?

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Well, the quoted text is the reason I get the read. What's not clear about it?

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At least 1 of my day 1 scumreads was right. Yay for me!

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Looks like everyone has a different idea about who's wolf and who's mafia.

Is no lynch an option at this point?(Yes, I've said it!)

This means we have 5 people left tomorrow(if the wolf decides to kill, that is). And considering everybody is under suspicion by at least 1 other, that person could be anyone.

The way we're going back and forth now is not proving successful.

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UNVOTE:

Slimer's not hammering?
Maybe I am wrong(again?)

I don't really get what you're trying to say Slimer??

hmm. I need a reread.

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Robocopter makes 0 mentions of Voodoo Lady in all of his posts.

I fail to see what's scummy about not wanting a wagon to form one and a half pages into the thread.

But Voodoo's first non-RVS post is directed at Robo.

Her only other mentions of him are

Thank you for saying this so I don't have to say this like I always have to.

And then this reaction to Darthe's claim

Rereading the thread. Did

not

expect it to end like that. Jeez, Saki.

I'm town seer. Viewed Robocop last night. He is a wolf.

VOTE: vote robocopter

I'd like to see if there's a counterclaim before we pile on his wagon.

The first mention of Robo looks like an attempts to immediately distance.

Next:

Picking wolves over mafia on D1 is optimal scumplay. You dig?

I don't. Obviously I agree that mafia would want to kill wolves D1, but so do we. They're the only ones with a kill that can be made without town input.

Also, can you please answer which of Stubbs, Slimer, IceGuy, and Phil are towniest in your book and why? Thanks.

You're the only person who brought up the issue D1, so I'm going to say it's not a pressing matter for the town D1.

Right now I'd say Slimer. Phil's pretty clean too but some of his early play was a bit sketchy.

Phil's pretty clean, yet she has voted him all day until now.

From my perspective, Boro's got an 80% chance of being scum. So I wouldn't mind hammering him.

But I will agree with him that Ice Guy's being hella suspicious. First post after he subs in, he parks his vote on the lurker. Then he dredges up a shitty argument against the guy at L-1. I'm starting to think that maybe it's not an accident that he's going after all the easy targets.

I'm alright lynching Boro if it comes down to that. But I'd rather an Ice Guy lynch at this point.

VOTE: Ice Guy

I would rather not hit nulls in lylo. I could go for Slimer.

Slimer's struck me as pretty null. What makes you think otherwise?

Yet here, Phil is suddenly 80% scum and Slimer is now somehow null. She only has made 1 post between these 2 posts, so what made her shift her reads so fast? Convenient?

What percent chance does IceGuy have of being scum, in your opinion? And could you summarize your reasons for them being scum?

80%. There are five players who I'm not certain are town. There are four scum still alive. 4/5 = 80%.

I think I've already explained that I think Ice Guy's behavior is hella opportunistic.

Currently, where 10 is definite scum and 1 is definite town--

Ice Guy - 8
Stubbs - 8
Jennifer - 6
Boro - 6
Slimer - 5
Bo - 2
Titus - 2
Voodoo - 1

next, we go to this. Now Phil and Slimer are suddenly both in the middle?

Then there's

This isn't going to work. I want to be in the game, but not right now. If I V/La you'll lynch me.

Would you all refer I replace out, or can we be civilized while I take a little break from MS?

Slimer, are you the wolf?

Because if so, you should claim.

and

Here's the deal-- if we lynch the wolf today we're at LyLo.

The wolf claims. We agree to keep the wolf alive under the condition that they serve as our vigilante until all the scum are dead. This effectively gives us a double lynch.

If the wolf fails to kill all the mafia and there are three players left, then they win the game if they place their vote on the scum. Thus, they are not playing against wincon. (And there's no way they can rig the scenario up like that, because not killing scum will make a mafia victory.

The first one is a setup for the second one, the second one being a totally weird play. Now that I see it again, I can see this as the wolf reaching out.

Outing the wolf just to kill it would be completely anti-town. We lynch the wolf today, we go down to MyLo with the family totally intact.

I'm completely serious here.

This adds to this assumption.

God damnit, I keep forgetting how majority works with an even number of players. It takes five to lynch, not four.

In that case I'm alright putting Slimer at L-1.

VOTE: Slimer

If you're the wolf, though, I'd be happy to remove my vote.

More assumptions on the wolf.

Also, he's pretty obviously not the wolf since he's claimed VT.

Retracted here.


Then some time later

Boro is wolf, Stubbs is mafia.

VOTE: Boro

Welcome back Phil.

To end with:

I'm not cool with a Slimer lynch.

Stubbs is mafia and Boro is wolf. My vote's on Boro because I'd rather kill the wolf today, but killing mafia wouldn't be bad either.

VOTE: Stubbs

Also, happy birthday, Slimer. :0)

Which is inconsistent with

Well then. That certainly was a pleasant reversal of fortune.

I'm going to agree with Bo here and say that we should go after the wolf today.

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VOTE: Voodoo Lady

I wish I had done this earlier...

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UNVOTE:

Slimer's not hammering?
Maybe I am wrong(again?)

I don't really get what you're trying to say Slimer??

hmm. I need a reread.

Why would Slimer quickhammer? Why does Slimer not quick hammering immediately count him as not-scum?

Well, he could have at least shown intent to hammer.
I don't think anyone would blame him for hammering, I've been pushing his Lynch constantly. Especially because he can't know my alignment.

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Yeah, this is totally wierd. This doesn't seem like mafia play. Maybe Slimer's faking us out because he's the wolf. Voodoo could be using Slimer's words to get me to doubt my reads.

This looks more like resigned wolf. He's overfocusing on the wolf (notice the bold) and throwing out whatever he thinks will stick.

Supposing Slimer is still the lynch, and I live, I am going to have to rethink on Voodoo, especially if Slimer's the wolf. There's enough content here after the flip to move one way or the other.

this makes me think Slimer is mafia.

@Slimer, are you even reading? Voodoo would be a better play but I think Slimer wouldn't consider Slimer because she's bussing him and Slimer won't crossbus. You seem to be protecting Voodoo.

This on the other hand, makes me think Voodoo is town.

A question though if IceGuy is scum. why did he not hammer slimer?

This also makes me think Phil is town.

Right, I missed the end of the last day until now.

Slimer is Mafia.
I have no idea about the wolf. Could be anyone, although I think Phil is less likely.

VOTE: Slimer

Maybe I'm wrong and he's the wolf, who knows. I just don't see him as town.

And anyone who thinks Titus and me could both be mafia are insane.

The first quote looks like Titus is distancing from Slimer by suspecting him to be the wolf.
The next one looks like further distancing from Slimer, and linking Slimer to VL. This makes me think VL is not mafia(I said town earlier, but I'm taking that back, as Titus has nothing to do with VL being wolf.
When you then asked why IceGuy didn't hammer, it showed you were thinking about it, and the question looks genuine, so you are town.

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Yeah, Slimer's comments made me get out of the tunnel and look at others(VL in particular)

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The end of Stubbs's case is stupid, mainly because we did agree that we'd go after a different player for a lynch if our first choice for a wolf probably couldn't go through.

But the rest of it...hm...

UNVOTE:

I'm pretty tired and don't want to post anything else right now. Maybe later.

To be honest, I think if she truly believed in it, she would have stayed on her wolf read.

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Jennifer, get in here and vote Voodoo Lady. Thanks!

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What's the case on me, exactly?

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To be honest I can't believe that case on Voodoo isn't enough to get her lynched.
And the fact that you can't even provide a case on me is just insane.

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Well then. That certainly was a pleasant reversal of fortune.

I'm going to agree with Bo here and say that we should go after the wolf today. Slimer's admitted that he would claim if he was wolf and I'm willing to take him at face value. I am obviously not the wolf. (Or at least, I'm obviously not going to say I am.)

So that makes my four suspects Stubbs, Jennifer, Bo, and Boro.

The wolf probably was someone who suspected Titus, given that she's currently dead. Slimer was the first person to call her out during D1, but was less certain about his read come later. Personally, I think Stubbs is the last scum because of 764.

Slimer/Ice : 7
Titus/VL: 6
DBK/Jen: 5
Phil: 4

Something like that I suppose.
First 2 I would vote.
Next 2 are my other scum atm
Next 2 I think my be town
Last one is likely town

Early during D3 he put his vote on IceGuy, then threatened to change his vote to Slimer as the day went on. Saying his reads on IceGuy and Slimer are identical gives him precedent for voting for either of them, or (more likely) voting Slimer, then claiming that he suspected IceGuy all along if IceGuy got sniped. I suspect that he was setting up something similar with the Titus/me rung below it.

Jennifer felt "mostly good" about Titus so I don't think she's the wolf.

Boro and DBK both suspected Titus pretty heavily, though. Hmm.

That's a case?
You're assuming the wolf went for scum, which is WIFOM.
I don't see a problem in lynching out of 2 suspects when there were 4 scum at the time.
Again, if you think I'm mafia after my argument with Titus on day 1, you really need to reread that.

[StubbsKVM]

Well, CDB, I'd love to hear your reads and I won't be voting no lynch until I hear them.

Your slot is the scummiest from my POV.

[StubbsKVM]

Take your time. No need to rush

[StubbsKVM]

Phil, who's your number 1 suspect right now?

[StubbsKVM]

I'm going to wait until CDB comes back and/or Jen posts something meaningful before I answer that

fair enough.
So... This weather...

[StubbsKVM]

Pretty good for the Belgian competition. Not sure he can handle a bigger competition.

[StubbsKVM]

Okay. Nice work CDB. Jen, you should probably start acting now.

[StubbsKVM]

My "quiet" play of late is solely correlated with how much work has consumed me of late and has nothing to do with anything going on in this website let alone my alignment in this game.

Boro jumping to agree with CDB I'd expect, but not from Stubbs. Why the snarky question?

I simply said CDB did a great job catching up and his case on you looks pretty good.

If they both think you're the wolf, it makes me doubt my own read. Which is why I want you to react to it.

[StubbsKVM]

CDB pretty much gave himself no way out of voting anyone but you. I don't think he would have done that if he was indeed the wolf.

I also think the nightkill points more in your direction.

Ughhhhh I'm so damn torn it hurts. I guess I'm okay with either one. We are allowed one mislynch, I'm sure Jennifer/Stubbs has a wolf in it, and that any flip from one will let us get the other.

Things have changed because now we have 2 mafia flips we weren't able to talk about until now. Both of which happened to be right.

And if Boro's mafia, I'm going to hate myself. Like. Forever.

If CDB was the wolf, he would have kept DBK alive if he wanted to lynch you.

[StubbsKVM]

This also pretty much rules out Phil, because DBK seemed to have given up on wanting him dead.

Well, there's a pretty large amount of wine to go with those assumptions, but still.

[StubbsKVM]

Don't forget the ability to defend against accusations.

[StubbsKVM]

Prod on Jennifer?

[StubbsKVM]

So has slimer.

She appears to have siteflaked, so I don't really want to hammer yet.

[StubbsKVM]

If I was the wolf, I would have hammered yesterday.

Penguin. I'm going to give you a chance to make a case. But at the moment, my vote would be on you.

Hi by the way

[StubbsKVM]

Is that really all you've got on him?

Explain.

[StubbsKVM]

You can't offer a reason why I would have killed him because there is none. Phil would have voted for you with me; there is no way that I would have nightkilled him.

This...

Is what I keep thinking too.

I'm very tempted to vote penguin, but I haven't gotten time to read his entire case, I just skimmed through it.

[StubbsKVM]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

end this

I am not rushing this after getting this far.
I can understand it's easy for you, instead of complaining, try and make it obvious for me.

[StubbsKVM]

I'm giving penguin another shot at making a post, but I'm close to hammering.

[StubbsKVM]

Well...I'll just end it now. No need for me to drag this on

VOTE: penguin alien