Open 519: Enemy of my Enemy (GAME OVER!)

[Antihero]

hey

[Antihero]

VOTE: CityElectric

I'm only on page 3 and I already know you're scum

[Antihero]

50 shades is also scum

damn

[Antihero]

@Baezu Re: Post 176

Seriously? the posts you just quoted are scum early game posts. Asking for an "explanation" during the RVS to an unexplained vote is the most unoffensive, neutral "correct" thing someone can do and is not indicative of town at all (especially considering there's no follow-up read on rail). And the next thing you quote is a half-assed push on two people who she might think are suspects but might not be. Then there's the call for "input" from lurkers, which is weird on the first few pages. yeah...

It's pretty clear to me from the hemming and hawing that she's not really wanting to make any enemies but she wants to look like she has reads.

[Antihero]

@Baezu Re: Post 176

Seriously? the posts you just quoted are scum early game posts. Asking for an "explanation" during the RVS to an unexplained vote is the most unoffensive, neutral "correct" thing someone can do and is not indicative of town at all

(especially considering there's no follow-up read on rail)

. And the next thing you quote is a half-assed push on two people who she might think are suspects but might not be. Then there's the call for "input" from lurkers, which is weird on the first few pages. yeah...

It's pretty clear to me from the hemming and hawing that she's not really wanting to make any enemies but she wants to look like she has reads.

EBWOP Nix that, I got TV and rail mixed up. Point about the reads being half-assed still stands though.

[Antihero]

didn't say I thought baezu was scum

[Antihero]

No, "she" is CE.

[Antihero]

lemme guess you have tv and rail as town. so that kind of shoots that whole dumb statement down right there when it is p5 and there shit going on in the game other than noctan saying he is a dick and somehow this makes him scummy.

lemme guess... this is not the nacho head.

That "dumb statement" didn't depend on what page it was, and that whole thing with noctan reads as a red herring to me.
While I do read rail as town, TV is a solid null.

[Antihero]

Actually, that really bugs the hell out of me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: 50 shades

[Antihero]

UNVOTE:
I will now quietly step into the shadows.
If you have any questions I'll answer them.
Else, I don't exist.

So, pretty much, nothing will change.

got it

[Antihero]

Rail Tracer is another townread.

He propelled the game out of RVS and has had legitimate reasons for his votes. His explanations have made sense and I'm not really understanding the scumreads on him.

I don't really see what everyone else sees on 50 shades. I would like more of an explanation for the scumread on TV, since I think that vote was pretty bad. But other than that the questions have been good.

OK, help me out here.

Rail tracer's main thing right now is that 50 shades is scum. If you think he's making a lot of sense and you think his vote is legitimate, how is it that you don't know why there's a 50 shades wagon?

[Antihero]

I see his logic, but I don't agree with it.

/mehmehmeh

[Antihero]

*prepares to exert energy for a post*
*fails*

Uh. NN and Baezu pretty much get universally scumread as town in any game.
I don't doubt that both of them are town.

Honestly you guys seem to be falling into a pithole with the NN/Baezu stuff.

/unfazed

I don't have a problem with either of them.

Who are you talking about?

[Antihero]

Antihero: Just like 50 shades. And his exchange with them is blah blah blah. Null

BOO


Do I have your attention now?

Will you read my posts from now on!!!!!!!

What if I make them different colors?

in all seriousness, I don't get your list

What does cross-bussing mean?

[Antihero]

someone who thinks 50 shades, cityelectric, jasonwazza (and possibly elyse) are dirty, rotten scumbags and are in need of votes

who are you?

[Antihero]

...you are also a person who seems unfamiliar with the participants of this game.

This is the first post. Please familiarize yourself with everyone: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5213838

[Antihero]

Re: 50 shades

the early push on TV seemed tenuous and I didn't like how they attacked my CE scumread (had an OMGUS feel).

[Antihero]

good grief, elyse, what is with you and that page 1 post?

get a room already

[Antihero]

did a reread

don't know if I really like my vote any more

UNVOTE:

have to do some introspection

[Antihero]

So, the weirdest thing about this game is that there's really no leading wagon. Or, really any wagon to speak of. There's the slapfight between Baezu/noctan and Elyse, which no one is really taking sides on.

Looking at the vote count, I'm just at a loss for words. This is just piss poor.

Noctan, you think rail is scum? Why (other than the fact he called you scum a few pages ago)?

Jason is selectively lurking. A quick look at his site wide activity shows that he's posting in a bunch of other places and not here.

Mod: please prod Jason

Tunnelvision is voting elyse, but he hasn't said a word about her or her spat with Baezu/noctan since page 4. They have three people as strong scumreads, but they're not voting any of them (and his reasons for calling NSin scum are tenuous at best). In fact, one of those people (50 shades) had the closest thing to a wagon at the time (3 votes), and they won't touch it.

TNE is another offender. His vote's on CE, but he had a nullread on her in his last post. He doesn't vote either of his scumreads Baezu and elyse.

Meanwhile, varsoon leaves his vote idle.

I'll give 50 shades some time while I rethink that read.

VOTE: TunnelVision

[Antihero]

So, the weirdest thing about this game is that there's really no leading wagon. Or, really any wagon to speak of.

You're expecting one?

9 pages in?

um... yes

what planet are you on? and how does a vote follow from that?

[Antihero]

no, never mind, don't explain

just please continue to prove my point by making a stupid bullshit vote just like 3/4 of the players in this game

[Antihero]

Let's just uselessly comment on the game and complain about lack of wagon.

Then get all hyped up about a vote on me.

How is it a useless comment, and where was I getting hyped up?

[Antihero]

Asking for prods on inactive players is a scumtell? Bandwagoning, too? My how this site-meta has changed...

Also, TV was the person you were voting, so why you would say "lol that vote" is beyond me.

And I never said town was dumb. I'm saying that they're deploying they're only resource (their votes) very poorly (which is, you know, true).

[Antihero]

215 was uselessssssss
Unless, that was your form of a readslist, but it's still useless.

You think the fact that nothing has gotten done over 9 pages is some kind of coincidence?

...and you think it's cool that all these people I just talked about are spinning their wheels?

Think about that for a minute.

[Antihero]

@Anti Meh now. I just haven't unvoted as I tend to forget to.

Wait a second, you weren't supposed to answer my "useless" question! it made you actually think about what's going on in the game

Just keep on going not keeping track of your vote

Doing otherwise or questioning it is scummy!

[Antihero]

@Noctan,

Are you going to do anything with your vote in the near future? Got any new reads? Anything?

OMFG, why do you care so much about people's votes and stuff? It's like you actually want to know people's opinions!

I bet you're just trying to grab up towncred, because town really just spam the thread with stupid crap about their secret alter egos.

SCUMZZZZfjk;sajlkfjdsalk;fj;lksajfsa

[Antihero]

What a friggin'ly friggin' opportunity vote

First 50 shades, now you?

Look, I know you're mad that I called you out, but how is that vote at all opportunistic, considering the snails pace at which these wagons are going and that TV isn't a prime lynch candidate right now?

[Antihero]

Also, now that Baezu is at 2 votes, no one else can vote her.

Whoever does is an opportunistic, bandwagoning scumbag.

[Antihero]

OK, I'm trying to come up with some sort of way to tell you how annoying all these arbitrary scumtells are, but I can't, so screw it. if you can't beat them, join them

i'm just going to start making up bullshit scumtells

I was waiting for a recent vote count.

Don't count on me to count all the votes or go back a few pages just because of votes

VOTE: Bazeu

holy crap, you were waiting for a vote count? look at this scumbag

also, it on post 233. That's not divisible by three. he might as well be confirmed scum

[Antihero]

EXACTLY

You're the one who's making the argument that bandwagon votes are inherently opportunistic.

[Antihero]

Yes, TNE, you're right.

In a game where bandwagoning is a scumtell and the norm is to uselessly spam the thread, YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I DON'T GET IT.

thought this setup was cool. didn't know I was replacing into a goddamn newbie game

/ughghghghg

[Antihero]

my getting mad is funny

people are taking joy in my pain

my pain...

you people

suck

Going to be honest, people getting mad ia funny as hell. I do however, hope they both stop, so we can

PROGRESS THE FUCKING GAME

. I know it is is kind of early, but I know this argument will go on for another few pages.

THAT'S SCUM TALK!!!!!!

[Antihero]

@Noctan
My posts do not say the same thing. You say that I am calling you scum for being a dick. That is not true. I am calling you scum for stating that you are a dick when it was completely unnecessary, which could negate future attacks against you. You have not followed up with the behavior you warned us about, which is also scummy since if you could avoid being a dick, you didn't have to announce it.

And how is refuting everything and pushing wagons scummy?

Seriously, can we put this to bed right the hell now?

Noctan is not a dick

We get it

Some self-righteous assholes probably called him one in a previous game, so now he's self conscious about it.

[Antihero]

UNVOTE:
Antihero is just stupid.

Townlist

herpderpderpherpderpderp

This is what I read when I saw your townlist.

That's awful.

Also, link to 512 please. I have to see what you buffoons are talking about.

[Antihero]

excellent

now I can ignore you

/movingrightalong

[Antihero]

@thewnewearth,

Rail Tracer: I am not even going to... >.>
UUUUUUGGGGGHHHH... Scum.

Why?

What part of "I'm not even going to" don't you understand?

What part of "If you want anyone to listen to you, then look like you have a pulse and give at least two shits about playing the game you signed up for" don't you understand?

[Antihero]

scum or NOT TOWN ENOUGH:
CityElectric
JasonWazza
Joanne0409 *
thenewearth *
TunnelVision

please limit votes to these players

See,

this

is what picking on weak targets looks like, TNE.

[Antihero]

Just putting it out there... I'd totally be up for PLing NSin. Consider my vote there in spirit.

What? You don't like someone whose posts are about as intelligent as YouTube comments calling you stupid?

SCUMMMMMMM

[Antihero]

any reservations I had about 50 shades before have evaporated with that horrible, horrible vote

UNVOTE:
VOTE: 50 shades

[Antihero]

"you stupid!"
"no, you stupid!"
"hurr I'm stupid"

...and you made it this way.

Congrats.

[Antihero]

Joanne is a lurker. Contrary to Saki's delusion that only scum ask for prods, you should ask the mod to prod them if you have a problem with their activity. 50 shade's vote is a crappy throwaway vote on the person least likely to be able to defend herself well.

There really is no case other than "she didn't explain her reads", which is not a scumtell.

[Antihero]

It's a personal challenge.
Someone on this 50 wagon, produce a real argument with textual evidence.
C'mon, you sheep.

Or, just read what others are saying...

This

I think I've been pretty transparent with my reasons for voting 50 shades, I don't get what you want varsoon.

[Antihero]

Would it kill anyone in this game to

not

be a shithead?

plzthnxbye

[Antihero]

/sigh

No, you're asking me to spoon feed you and then getting pissy when I don't

Look, if you don't see a problem with 50 shades by yourself just looking at his ISO, then what I think is scummy probably isn't scummy to you. If the last vote and the general attitude doesn't bother you, then I'm not going to be able to make you see what I see.

As for my wagonmates, I don't know what bothers them. They might just be pissed that 50 shades didn't call them town. I can't help that though.

For me, the general passiveness, the throwaway vote, and the wtf early game attack on my CityElectric scumread all make me think 50 shades is scum.

Don't take my word for it, though. Read 50 shades yourself and see what conclusions you come to.

[Antihero]

What is your current scumlist?

50 shades, CityElectric, maybe elyse, maybe maybe varsoon

[Antihero]

Are you guys done with your personal attacks?

/stirthepotstirthepotstirthepot

[Antihero]

I respectfully disagree, my good sir.

[Antihero]

/belch

[Antihero]

why is squilly town?

never said he was

[Antihero]

why is tne town?

Didn't say he was town either. I'd put him at a solid null.

@Noctan: Elyse may or may not be scum, but she's right about you and your obsession with her scumread. Your inability to let it go is really, really, really anti-town. LET IT GO ALREADY. JUST RELAX. JUST FRICKIN' RELAX ALREADY.

[Antihero]

I think antihero might be town and I got really excited by that read cos town 50 + town anti = town win but it doesn't look like that is going to happen. I only played 1 game with him and that was a long time ago and wound up replacing out but I liked what I saw even though his reads were off.

Hey, I had Maestro and metalmarsh as scum early on. Nacho was the one who vouched for Maestro and made me lose focus.

(I kid with you, nacho, you're awesome)

[Antihero]

Also I don't really have a problem with the 50 shades wagon at all. Nothing town has really come out of that and they've been pushing people that aren't scumreads.

In fact, since no one is voting Baezu or Noctan:

UNVOTE: Baezu
VOTE: 50 Shades of Purple

L-1

wow...way to scum claim...

I am actually going to turn this wagon around because that last post now just makes me think that 50 shades is apathetic town (and who wouldn't be with the amount of troll in this thread?)

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elyse

We're lynching Elyse today. Baezu, Noctan, and 50 shades can join me, as I know they share this opinion.

[Antihero]

Intent to hammer. Claim please.

You were going to wait for a claim in an all VT town game?

lololololololololol

Yeah, you actually might be scum too...

[Antihero]

Elyse is no longer on my scum list

LOLWAT?

You think Elyse defending 50 shades from my attacks earlier and then jumping on the wagon for the L1 vote is indicative of town?

nonononononononononononononononononono

[Antihero]

...hey, hey, hey... no cluttering up my thread with that kind of thing.

[Antihero]

[theory]Honestly, I think people overstate the differences with multiball games. It's all well and good to say "oh yeah, scum are scumhunting too" and that might reflect in the nightkills. But when you're actually in the trenches (speaking from experience with being scum in multiball), your day play consists of trying to keep you and your partner alive. So, in essence, your scum game doesn't really change that much from a single faction scum game. Therefore, the town game really doesn't need that much changing (minus the obvious endgame scenarios, but we can cross that bridge if we get there).

As for who they're going to give results to, my gut instinct would that they would give it to a town player, but they could just as easily give it to their partner for cheap towncred. It'll end up becoming important (for obvious reasons) once the vanilla scum on the team dies, but up to then I'm going to end up treating it as a wash since there's just too much WIFOM surrounding it.[/endtheory]

Now, let's get back to lynching the dirty rotten scumbag Elyse.

[Antihero]

that racer hydra (although he is misguided)

He's a hydra?

He had me fooled...

[Antihero]

hahahahaha

hahaha

Oh, that's a good one Elyse...

[Antihero]

Town can be Baezu, Rail, Noctan, and 50 shades. Everyone else is a shade of null or scum.

[Antihero]

What the hell is up with CE being in town lists?

Am I missing something?

[Antihero]

Town can be Baezu, Rail, Noctan, and 50 shades. Everyone else is a shade of null or scum.

so your town list are....all the people I had listed as town? :/

any particular reasons or did you just cobble a list together to shut me up

Eh, Baezu and Noctan actually don't

really

deserve to be on this list. I just kind of slapped them on there because my gut says it's OK. Consider them weak reads. Rail is just obvtown.

CityElectric, Elyse, Jason, squilly, TV are scummy
TNE and Varsoon are null
Saki is a troll

[Antihero]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: squilly

We can kill this now

[Antihero]

Except for CityElectric

she's scum

Otherwise, yeah, that looks OK-ish (I wouldn't go so far as to call Elyse town, but the inconsistent behavior kind of makes sense in retrospect).

[Antihero]

lolwat?

Run-of-the-mill newb demands reasoning for everything and is suspicious of aggressive players. Squilly is not run of the mill newb.

[Antihero]

Alright, never mind, I'm going to go look myself.

Tunnelvision (335, 337, 348):
Varsoon: Well I think 50 is Town
Squilly: Well I think you are Scum for thinking that
Rank: Well I think you are Scum for blatantly not understanding bussing
Rank: Oh and your slot hasn't said much
Rank: Oh and I guess this could be multiball too

Problem: Joanne was Town in the game I ICd her in. Her activity was incredibly low. She's also still pretty new. Squilly is also new. One shouldn't be lynching a slot for VI-ish or Newbie behaviour alone, and Squilly's lack of experience is not a scumtell.

Varsoon (345):
Varsoon: Stop being new and post something.

Problem: No problem as far as the point goes, but isn't a good reason to remain on a wagon that reached L-1.

Elyse:
Post 349 looks bad.

Problem: No problem. This is a genuine reason.

Antihero:
We can kill this now.

Problem: ughhhhhhhhhhhh

Baezu:
He is fluffy.

Problem: It's not the worst reason ever, but kinda weak considering it was trying to justify putting him at L-1.


So basically 60% of the votes on Squilly are kinda shit fwis.

Noctan looks Town, Elyse I'm flipflopping on, antihero looks like he's faking.

First call: Antihero/Baezu Scumteam with SK-Elyse?

PEDIT: Clearly you've not played in any newbie games recently.

too many scumbags... not enough rope to lynch them all...

[Antihero]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: goodmorning

[Antihero]

PEDIT: Because I don't normally play Opens, and the SK thing was because you're a weaker gut read than the other 2.

lololololol

Weak scumread = SK

DON'T YOU KNOW ANYTHING, ELYSE?

[Antihero]

my point

you missed it

[Antihero]

Tell me then, what was my point?

[Antihero]

In which universe will hashing this out be anything more than a distraction?

Unvote

PEDIT: I'm sorry you think I'd be stupid enough to come in guns blazing and shit out a load of associative tells.
In case you wondered,

I don't even think he's Town

. _{(I think he's Null.)} I just think the wagon on him is a pile of garbage.

"lulz, I don't think he's town; I just think everyone on his wagon is scummy"

lynch this

with fire

[Antihero]

In which universe will hashing this out be anything more than a distraction?

I don't know.

Apparently in the universe where a weak scumread translates to "SK".

[Antihero]

Hint: When you replace into a scum slot and you're not in danger of getting lynched, don't immediately chainsaw defend the guy at L1 and go after 3 universal townreads, one of whom is a loudmouth who's not going to be satisfied until you're dead.

It's OK, we all have room for improvement. /trollmoment

[Antihero]

varsoooooooooooon

where art thou?

[Antihero]

plz no one derp hammer before I get a chance to get my reads out.

MOLLIE

WRONG HYDRA

[Antihero]

/checks to see if I did anything in the past to Varsoon or goodmorning
/checks to see if I insulted either of them
/doesn't see anything
/puzzled

[Antihero]

alright, i just reread my own ISO and i don't see the source of vitriol from either varsoon or goodmorning

If I personally offended either of you, I apologize, and if it makes you feel any better, I'm completely oblivious as to what I did to offend you.

[Antihero]

i define "look" and "reread" differently

if i have people telling me to shut the fuck up in all caps, i better find the reason why...

[Antihero]

@anti
at the point where you replaced in you were being majiffy (or fate, ftm) (not in the good way, when he's being genuinely useful, but in that posts-just-to-see-himself-talk way) and fuck that
page 9 or 10 iirc just plain pissed me off

cut that shit out, seriously
you're not the sk because there isn't one, so you legitimately have at least one other person on your team, fucking act like it
(no, not buddying your scumpartner)

@mollie
no, it just really gets me when people start doing that thing, that 'i'm better than you so shut up and sheep me' air they put on, it pisses me off

i never said i was better than anyone else, and you're faulting me for wanting people to vote the same way I do?

wow. majiffy and fate might be arrogant at times, but i think your self-righteousness tops either of their annoying habits

[Antihero]

I didn't say you said you were, and I am perfectly happy being self-righteous on this issue tyvm.

You certainly implied it.

I disagree with you. I am not going to argue about it any further.

...well.... I guess that's that, huh? Mollie disagrees with you and you completely shut down that avenue of debate?

I hope you're scum, because if not you're a jerk.

[Antihero]

Damn tags

I didn't say you said you were, and I am perfectly happy being self-righteous on this issue tyvm.

You certainly implied it.

I disagree with you. I am not going to argue about it any further.

...well.... I guess that's that, huh? Mollie disagrees with you and you completely shut down that avenue of debate?

I hope you're scum, because if not you're a jerk.

[Antihero]

Also, I implied that you were

acting

it, not anything close to you having said it.

Alright, since you won't say what bothered you, all my response can be is




And mollie's argument is that you're sandbagging me because you're scum. So, yeah, that has everything to do with alignment.

[Antihero]

Antihero: I'm not so sure about this read, to be honest. Anti-hero does a lot of prodding and questioning, but his activity on the big wagons is what's most problematic for me. He swaps to 50, TV, Elyse, and then 50 in a hurry, which screams scum in my readings.

In all these wagons, I'm one of the leading votes. Your accusation that I'm just following popular wagons is just plain wrong.

...

where did baezu go?

[Antihero]

she's v/la

never mind...

[Antihero]

/stares blankly..

...

i don't get it

i'm too damn stupid to play this game

[Antihero]

No, I say that your ACTIVITY on the big wagons is problematic and the swap of votes feels hurried to me.

OK... if the implication is NOT that I'm following, it's that I'm leading them?

How can I possibly be faulted for that?

Also, quickness to change votes is indicative of my playstyle. judge it how you will (i'm guessing not positive).

oh well

[Antihero]

Preview of goodmorning's case on me:

<insert a bunch of my quotes here>

"These are all fluff. He's a total shithead. I don't like him. <insert something else not alignment indicative here>"

------

Say what you want, but I think I've learned a bit from this day, especially after 50 shades got their asses in gear. I hope everyone else has, too.

What exactly is scummy about post 630 to you? Or is it that they need to make a smooth transition to your "scumlist" now that they're defending me?

[Antihero]

And why did 50 shades get into gear? Hmmmm....

In the post where you said 50 towntelled, Mollie explained why.

[Antihero]

...ok...

so what was the point of post 634?

[Antihero]

oh... i see...

[Antihero]

yeah, that does not look like a joke

you even bothered to qualify your argument with "on one hand...on the other hand..." which makes it look like you're genuinely torn on this read

[Antihero]

@Antihero - I have a nagging suspicion of you in the back of my head. Rank tipped me off earlier in the game with a comment like, "Antihero's anger feels a bit overplayed." You're a good player and you could be pulling off a good scum game. So I'm always suspicious. 50 Shades made a comment alluding to the fact that strong town players are likely NK targets, which I agree with 100% so I'm not too worried about it for D1 for the same reason. Also, there's plenty of use for good insights (even from a scum player) in a multi-faction game.

how would you know if i was a good player or not? i don't think i've played with either of you before...?

[Antihero]

^all of which counts for jack shit if my reads are wrong

but now we're getting into theory and it's always good to be cautious (which is the origin of this conversation anyway), so i'll let it go

[Antihero]

yep, you're right goodmorning

i missed the point

can someone else please tell me if the point really exists (i'll probably take your word for it)?

[Antihero]

actually who is staying out of the spotlight oh look city and squilly,

INORITE?!

[Antihero]

holy crap, rail tracer IS a hydra

all hydrae should play like you

...or is it that only one head is actually posting?

[Antihero]

...or is it that only one head is actually posting?

It is one head posting combined reads. It's what we agreed upon to reduce hydra dissonance (something I hate).

...well then I reaffirm my opinion that all hydrae should play like you.

[Antihero]

Final reads list same as already provided.
If not Elyse, Squilly or City possible.
Do not lynch: RT, 50, Varsoon, tne, Noctan, Saki (in order from most town to least)

Hammer at will, I want to see what Elyse and mollie say when they realise how utterly wrong their slip theory was.
It's just kind of a shame because this is the most confident I've been in my reads for a long time.

DON'T IGNORE THEM WHEN I'M DEAD JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT AROUND TO PUSH.

you sure do think a lot of yourself, don't you?

[Antihero]

don't let the door hit your ass on the way out

[Antihero]

well...hell...

didn't get anything last night; anyone else?

[Antihero]

My updated scum reads:
50 Shades
goodmorning

/meh

I

might

buy goodmorning as a werewolf (with the way Varsoon jumped ship from the lynch wagon at the last second). Also, railtracer's vote didn't look like a bus, so i'm going to go out on a limb and say that goodmorning actually is probably town here.

50shades?

[Antihero]

VOTE: Maestro

^this is better than a goodmorning vote

[Antihero]

Why hell? Two scum died!

because i had rail tracer pegged as town

that means that that read sucked

it follows that most of them suck

[Antihero]

why?

[Antihero]

who's scumbuddy is it and why?

[Antihero]

that's just great...

fuck all rhyme and reason, i will play the rest of this game just like everyone else: by just pulling stuff out of my ass

VOTE: Elyse

something keeps telling me she's a double-killing SK who shot railtracer and Varsoon because they figured out that she is really a sentient cloud of nanobots dead set on world domination and universal suffrage for right footed shoes

ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

[Antihero]

you forgot the part where you vote for the mod and then say "YOLO!"

[Antihero]

Antihero: Good god, overplayed emotion again. What gives man.

what? this is how everyone except you is doing it right now.

we've got goodmorning here who got 3 (

three

! not 1.5,

three

) reads dead wrong (and those are just the confirmed ones) and is just going "lulz, this Baezu vote is cool, no reason"

don't even get me started on TNE and Saki...

[Antihero]

My updated scum reads:
50 Shades
goodmorning

/meh

I

might

buy goodmorning as a werewolf (with the way Varsoon jumped ship from the lynch wagon at the last second). Also, railtracer's vote didn't look like a bus, so i'm going to go out on a limb and say that goodmorning actually is probably town here.

50shades?

i'm actually now retracting this. Railtracer and 50 shades actually had more to do with the disintegration of the goodmorning wagon

speaking of 50 shades, where the hell are they?

[Antihero]

1.5 scumreads. Or two, it's not clear yet since none of my initial scumreads are dead. Which is why I said "at least 1.5".

The Baezu vote is cool, for all the same reasons as it was cool D1. I still need to reread the other slots, but that slot has been objectively scummy regardless of the actions of anyone else.

If you want me to put forth a guess as to which scum, I'd say I have no idea. That slot was largely lurky and pretty much ignored from what I remember.

your townreads are just as important as your scumreads, take ownership of them

...and a lot of slots were ignored or barely touched by the majority of the game (namely, maestro's, Noctan's, TNE's...)

[Antihero]

You rang?

Bauss I think that Antihero's playstyle is annoying for us, but I don't think he's scum. I'm pretty bored with the everyone-but-me-sucks townie game, but if he wants to run it that's fine. I have him down as a townread despite his meh play.

to be clear, i also suck at this game (as you can very well see from the rail flip and that I really neglected to develop my varsoon read beyond a lukewarm null)

i just get annoyed when people show a complete lack of sense

[Antihero]

you know bauss, for all this bluster about how goodmorning is so scummy, why did you lollygag around on the hammer yesterday?

[Antihero]

obvious fakehammer is obvious

[Antihero]

Maestro has requested replacement, searching for one

[Antihero]

Maestro has requested replacement, searching for one

I even checked under the sofa, no replacement in sight yet.

That was my response to 50 shades. Not me being dissatisfied with how fast you're going.

The replacement situation is what it is.

[Antihero]

Other thought: Why Varsoon? RT makes sense as a kill because he was universally Townread and those guys have to be got rid of or they form blocs and cause hell for the Scum. But Varsoon would have been an easy enough lynch with the right tack on it and wasn't contributing all that much, certainly not enough to be dangerous.

really? who was lining up to lynch varsoon?

[Antihero]

nacho might actually be town this game tho

the fuck.
mollie?

yeah that doesn't compute.

@50: If nacho might be town does that mean you are more likely scum?

VOTE: Karnage

[Antihero]

Why wait so long to vote me? You had posted 3-4 times since I posted what you quoted.

2 times, champ

count 'em

also those 2 times were to respond to 861 and the mod, i hadn't read/thought about the thread

and you've been here a week and haven't done anything remotely resembling any scumhunting/catchup post. you're top "suspects" are TV, goodmorning, and 50 (which, surprise surprise, is the popular opinion), and absolutely no reasons

this is made worse by the fact that you seem to be on top of it in terms of defending yourself (as shown by your response to goodmorning's accusation, and mine just now)

[Antihero]

you're right. Sorry, I missed that. Hey Bauss, while you're at it check out my meta for my town games and see how often people think I'm scum and how many times I get mislynched

Townzu.

Oooh, I get a star!!! <3

Townzu.

Just wanted to throw this out there since 50 is complaining. The reason I'm on v/la is cuz I was suicidal and have been put on medication that's making me dizzy nauseous and derpy. I have been erratically posting around the sight as much as I can but haven't gotten to every game. I know this is not fair to town so I can replace out if people think it's best. Either way I'm planning on posting more once I come back from vla this wed night

Townzu.

null, mildly town, and sad, but still not game related, and thus null

in order

[Antihero]

How is 268 Town? I get literally nothing from that.

i
am
going
to


puke

[Antihero]

null, mildly town, and sad, but still not game related, and thus null

in order

Without meta maybe.
The addition of it makes things a whole new world.

i
am
continuing


puking

[Antihero]

no, because she's not scum

NACHO
get in here and back me up

[Antihero]

Hooray.

Do pardon me for not hammering in my first post; I'll just go ahead and read the actual game.

have fun...

[Antihero]

[Antihero]

NoctanNights, a Vanilla Townie was shot Night 1.
TunnelVision, a Vanilla Townie was torn apart Night 1.

so noctan=mafia kill
TV=wolf kill

both were obviously supposed to be crosskills

[Antihero]

i don't agree with anything in that post.

no

[Antihero]

alright, now that I've got a second, I will explain to you why your attack on elyse is illogical.

The optimal thing for scum in a multiball game is probably to aim for other scum on the first night, assuming you're not overly much at risk of being lynched the following day, and town has been lynched the same day. This is, of course, a post-hoc explanation, but one that seems reasonably likely. But what about the second? Well, given that both scum had lost a member, I doubt either of them would want to kill the other. That would make town massively powerful in comparison, and what scum would want that? So they shot town, instead. Specifically, TunnelVision and NoctanNights. Players on the Good wagon. Players who...

...had pretty often been voted for by, or been voting for, Elyse.

It makes sense that one of the teams would attempt to implicate a player, but both trying to implicate the same person? I doubt that. It seems unlikely. And Elyse was so quick to signal how good it was that two scum died during the same night. And Elyse... Well, Elyse made sure to ride that Good wagon all the way to the end, to be able to harvest a bunch of misguided townie credit, eh?

Screw this. Circular reason: Go.

VOTE: Elyse

None of these premises make sense.

Literally.

None of them.

Let's get one thing straight here: scum don't want someone else with a kill. Period. Because as long as someone else has a kill, there's a chance they could instantly lose. Neither noctan nor TV were universal townreads nor were they unlynchable. This alone should be enough proof that they were intended crosskills, but further supporting that is the fact that several people had TV as scum (50shades comes to mind, but without going back and looking, I'm fairly sure there were more).

Also going against your "aiming for town" hypothesis is that deciding to shoot town from the mislynch wagon narrows the pool of potential mislynches. Granted, TV actually could have been killed because he suspected the scumbag (not so for noctan, given his lapse into lurker mode), but the multiball setup makes me think it's more likely to be aiming at a crosskill.

And Elyse... Well, Elyse made sure to ride that Good wagon all the way to the end, to be able to harvest a bunch of misguided townie credit, eh?

this point fails in the fact that even if Elyse were scum, she would have no way of knowing what goodmorning would flip.

So, pretty much, the only leg that your elyse argument has left to stand on is that she committed the "well that sucks" tell at the beginning of Day 2. that's an outdated wiki tell.

FURTHERMORE

Your catch-up is very incomplete and cherry-picked. While very, very wordy, it actually doesn't say much and you don't actually provide any real reasons for voting Elyse; AND you never attempt to provide evidence or link us to any of her posts which would indicate that she's scum. ALSO, for all these deductions that you're making in your wallpost, you never come to a useful or tangible conclusion that relates specifically to THIS game. It looked like a post in an MD thread.

AND your knee-jerk vote on me is non-sequitur and I gather that you made it because you figured my laconic posting style implies that I can't defend myself well. Just like you picked goodmorning to pile onto when you first replaced in.

bzzzzt... Wrong target, scumbag. Pick a better one next time.

tl,dr: You're scum. Now die.

VOTE: Maenara

[Antihero]

/high five

[Antihero]

i'm guessing that you're thinking that saki's inactivity points to a missed kill?....

[Antihero]

oh hey, look who's deciding to start talking (tne and saki...)

[Antihero]

postie post

not really going to be able to look over this game until tomorrow

/kjfld;sajkl;dfsa

[Antihero]

WHERE THE HELL IS EVERYBODY?

karnage...scum...tne...scum...elyse...scum...saki...town

shit

[Antihero]

this game is so inactive scum's not quickhammering

either that or the two scum are already voting you...

[Antihero]

whut

elyse

and

tne

they're both scum

the three not voting are town

THEREFORE no one is quickhammering you

You following my logic now?

[Antihero]

Because I don't want a quick hammer.

VOTE: Saki

What happened to being worried about a quick hammer?

Karnage: Why aren't you voting, Elyse?
Elyse: /votes
Karnage: Why did you just vote?

Aren't logic traps great?

[Antihero]

actually, nix the elyse scumread.

it's karnage+TNE

VOTE: TNE

[Antihero]

Deadline is in 2 days.

2 days to vote TNE, elyse

better get cracking

[Antihero]

this is me

not hammering

[Antihero]

shit

i hate these...

[Antihero]

you know, that karnage kill is a really weird one. it makes me think that whoever scum is was planning to go 1v1 with me...

oh, wait that sounds familiar...

Phew. I was WIFOMing myself into thinking Anithero was scum.

Did Saki just screw up your plan by voting early? That's what you get when you try to outguess trolls, elyse.

[Antihero]

i still gotta look at a Varsoon side-by-side with you both and see what makes more sense. my first impression is elyse because, really, do the NSin+Varsoon side-by-side. those interactions don't make very much sense, but I'll think about it some more.

[Antihero]

yeah, Saki and Varsoon's back-and-forth day 1 doesn't read like a scum-scum interaction at all. If Saki and Varsoon are scum, they need to... I don't know... go start an improv group I guess.

Not going to hammer yet though, because my head isn't exactly... uh.... clear right now.

[Antihero]

just gave the elyse+varsoon double ISO a look over, and they are like oil and water, they never mix. They both make a couple half-assed pushes on each other in some random spots, but they're all ignored by the other.

Sorry if this is the wrong decision, but there's little need to stretch this out.

VOTE: Elyse

[Antihero]

well, hell, sorry everybody

inactivity kind of killed this game, though

[Antihero]

1000th post.

[Antihero]

I also think it'd be

hilarious

terrible to see this setup end in a town win via double crosskills with town never lynching correctly.