Open 524: Donner Party (Game Over)

[beastcharizard]

NoctanNights - Null

They have given like no information what so ever besides they think Saki is scum. They have a total of 10 posts and have been here for atleast 20 posts of this game. They said they would post more but they really haven't.

Wisdom - Town

I really like how they post. They are very opinionated as well. They ask a lot of questions sparking conversation and they even give up a good bit of info.

goodmorning - Null

Their posts seem to be well thought out and pretty informative. Post 572 struck me a little weird with the unvote but that is about it.

Evil Regals - Town

I just get the feeling they are town from their posts. Post 508 seems a little fence sitty. All their other posts are great.

Belisarius -Null

Rational was crazy. His ideas were insane and made no sense. They kept harping on mass claiming or the Vigi claiming. I am not sure if they just annoyed me but I wanted them to be lynched and saw them as scum. I really think I am baised on the slot which is why I have it as null.

BK201 - Scum

Post 18 is when this opinion started to form. They claim scum and then say: "I forgot how to play." I was told recently that saying honestly is scummy because if you were town you wouldn't have to say honestly. Their posts are weird. In 252 they say they don't think anyone is SK but then in 604 they say they could see Saki as SK. Time has gone on and things can change but it is still odd.

Mitillos - Town

They are so detail oriented and they correct the mod all the time. Nothing else to say but they are by far the most town player.

BoroPhil - Scum

I don't like their posts, just something about them bugs me. Post 428 is odd to me. Why do they have to say they need to be more involved rather than just doing it? I don't feel that have been that helpful either.

Banakai - Scum

That Vigilante thing was weird. In 387 he says it isn't oppurtunistic if you come on and agree with people but they never stated they agreed with them until asked later. Post 430 strikes me as odd as well. 595 is odd. There is like 3 days to deadline so why are they worried about missing it?

qwertyuiop-Scum

They want Wisdom to do all the work for them. Also, I feel their logic is weak, especially 521. Post 556, how are either one of those helpful?

Saki - Town

Gut/PoE. I don't really have a reason but they just don't seem scummy.

@Qwerty: Why did you unvote Wisdom?

@Banakai: Why are you worried about missing the deadline?

@Saki: You are back from V/LA, why aren't you voting? Can we get some of your reads? Pretty please.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Banakai

[beastcharizard]

I use they when I don't know people's genders. I will do my best to use proper gender pronouns from this point on.

If i am not mistaken there was a wagon on you earlier in the game. A wagon on you would not reveal as much information as a wagon on Banakai.

[beastcharizard]

That was a point towards you being town. I don't think you are doing it to be pretentious.

Who and where did Morning buddy?

@BK: Why did you only comment on my scum reads?

[beastcharizard]

UNVOTE: qwertyuiop
VOTE: Goodmorning

Care to give a reason?

[beastcharizard]

But you basically said that your vote was for kicks. What exactly could he possibly gain by caring or arguing about it?
Do you react to each and every vote made against you?

I do actually if they don't have much basis behind them. particularly on day one.

What is your reaction to me calling you scum?

[beastcharizard]

I don't agree with a Saki lynch. I don't see it is the best lynch today.

I would agree to a Boro lynch since I have a scum read on them though.

Care to explain why you want Nocturn lynched? I don't remember you commenting on them recently.

[beastcharizard]

What game are you comparing it to?

[beastcharizard]

Comparing it to a newbie game where they are IC is a little bit of a stretch.

[beastcharizard]

I would prefer a Bana wagon. I have a scum read on Boro as well though so if the wagon hasn't shifted back to Bana then I will vote Boro.

[beastcharizard]

Because a Bana wagon gives way more info than a Boro wagon. Right now the Boro wagon seems more like a compromise to lynch someone. Like 2 people have given a reason to be on the wagon that isn't sheeping.

[beastcharizard]

We REALLY do not have much time the next person to log on who hasn't already voted should vote BK

That is very odd.

[beastcharizard]

We have 5 hours left which I will be ready to vote at any time. I will vote when I want to vote. I would still prefer a Banakai lynch. with 3 hours left I will vote Boro though.

[beastcharizard]

Did you not read my reads on everyone when I first got into the game? I clearly state why I think they are scum. Now their posts are just horrible. They told people to vote you when they came on which makes no sense so that is some type of slip right there. I didn't like their comparison of the newbie game of goodmorning to this game since they were IC in the newbie game which is a stretch to compare to. Post 607, is my reads on everyone in case you didn't read them for some reason.

[beastcharizard]

I think they way your wagon started is odd. Your reaction is also making me think you are town as well.

[beastcharizard]

I agree we have to lynch someone. It should be Bana though. Can you re-explain to me the Boro wagon please? Also, you don't think his reaction is town?

[beastcharizard]

I'm going to bed in about an hour, I'll happily stick a vote on myself then if we think it's better than a no lynch.

but that could mean -3 town tomorrow, yes?

Ok, when you decide to get off if you aren't already at L-1 then feel free to vote yourself. Not exactly the towniest post in my opinion.

[beastcharizard]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Boro

There are like 4 of us active and switching wagons isn't going to happen.

P-edit:
What he is saying is you can't call someone town for not being on your wagon.

[beastcharizard]

Bana I didn't edit my post. A P-edit is adding to your post to respond to a post that was made while you were making yours.

[beastcharizard]

Do you think Roleblocker should claim if they did NOT block Saki? We have caught scum if this is the case.

Why would this be a good idea? If Saki is telling the truth we just lost a town PR for some reason. If Saki isn't Vigi and the RB claims then we lose a town PR and probably just lynch a trolly villager.

A vigi claim is so anti-town it isn't even funny because there is no way this turns out good.

[beastcharizard]

Okay Reads:

"Conf/close to confirmed town"
Me
Saki
Bk (He would have killed me after that soft pr claim if he was scum)

Townish
Evil Regals

Null:
Noctan nights
Beast Charizard

Scumish:
Belisarius
Good morning
Qwertyuiop

Can you explain the belisarius read please?

[beastcharizard]

Trying to lynch saki when claimed vig with no counter claims and saying they were roleblocked which isn't really something scum would fake. Also gut.

He voted before you outed yourself as Roleblocker though. They later unvoted saying they need to "mull this over". I see Beli as town.

[beastcharizard]

You have officially confused me.

[beastcharizard]

@Mod: You missed goodmorning's scum vote on me.

This made me laugh. Is there anything you would like to talk about or discuss?

[beastcharizard]

1. NoctanNights - Scum
4. goodmorning - Scum
5. Evil Regals- Town
6. Belisarius- Town
7. BK201 - Null
10. Banakai - Town
11. qwertyuiop -Scum
12. Saki -Town

[beastcharizard]

I was hoping for more from them before I decided which one to vote. Right now they are all the same strength so if one sticks out more than the other that would be great.

goodmorning has done the most posting, Noct only came in to ask about/defend goodmorning, and keyboard hasn't posted I don't think.

[beastcharizard]

What am I supposed to do when they are not here? I can't talk to people when they aren't showing up. Who are your scum reads?

[beastcharizard]

They'd probbably show up if we made some serious accusations

I just called them all scum. That should be something. I know GM is used to it though.

[beastcharizard]

Someone post a readlist. I needz meh content.

Was mine not good enough for you?

[beastcharizard]

VOTE: NoctanNights

I really don't like their last post and maybe this will make them actually post something.

[beastcharizard]

All the people whom we believe are scum are not posting. I find this too coincidental. Activity in general seems to have died though.

[beastcharizard]

what was the point of that post?

[beastcharizard]

STOP PROD DODGING WISDOM OMG NOW

Someone wishes Wisdom was still alive. lol. Why did you say Wisdom?

[beastcharizard]

Why did you make the mistake is the question.

[beastcharizard]

They think you are the best scum lynch for today.

[beastcharizard]

Both GM and Qwerty are at L-2. Saki is on the Qwerty wagon though so a vote there doesn't put us at Saki going to hammer for shits and giggles range.

I am waiting for GM to make their case. It has only been like 2 days since they said they would make it.

[beastcharizard]

Both GM and Qwerty are at L-2. Saki is on the Qwerty wagon though so a vote there doesn't put us at Saki going to hammer for shits and giggles range.

I am waiting for GM to make their case. It has only been like 2 days since they said they would make it.

They both aren't at L-2.

yeah, i forgot you were one of the people voting Qwerty. I didn't realize I was wrong until after the vote count so I didn't see the point in correcting myself since it was obvious I was wrong.

[beastcharizard]

Neither one of you are posting anything of content. Please change that. Qwerty, I explained why they were voting you, what is your response? GM, ignore everyone and get your case done please.

[beastcharizard]

VOTE: qwertyuiop

Tomorrow we can focus on finding the other scum. Everyone is pretty much in agreeance at this point though. If I am wrong then feel free to lynch me tomorrow. Don't think that I am though.

GM, nice dig at me at the end of your case. It made me feel special.

[beastcharizard]

VOTE: NoctanNights

I don't see any of those kills being scum so if we don't lynch mafia right now we lose. I am the dietician and got the result that Noctan was Cannibal N1. Beli said not to claim until we found the whole scum team so I was hoping I found the other scum yesterday with the lynch which sadly I did not. If we start here we will be on our way to a win.

Banakai, who were you on last night?

[beastcharizard]

If you vote me you lose.

Noctan can be scum actually because there are 2 scum. No one who died last night is scum. Town is basically in a kingmaker situation right now. 2 scum, 1 sk, 2 town. Lynch me scum win, lynch scum could have crossfire if you are lucky, lynch town and town loses. Either way town has lost.

[beastcharizard]

What my post should have looked like instead of my panicking:

VOTE: qwertyuiop

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omorrow we can focus on finding the other scum.

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veryone is pretty much in agreeance at this point though.

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f I am wrong then feel free to lynch me tomorrow.

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on't think that I am though.

GM, nice dig at me at the end of your case. It made me feel special.

Diet backwards. I didn't get a result last night for the reason that I am assuming I was role blocked.


Much better post instead of me knee jerking it. Beli, please unvote me so that scum don't just come in and quick hammer me to their victory. That can only happen if Noctan gets replaced though. Village still has a chance at winning if done correctly, but the first step is to actually lynch scum rather than lynching me.

[beastcharizard]

I was claiming SK after Beli called me out. That is why I said if you lynch me you lose. There are still two scum. GM and Noctan, me the SK and the two town PRs. How the heck this is not obvious? I have not killed a single scum person, since I have not tried to kill one. And unless in a brilliant ploy mafia shot at each other then no scum have died.

GM clearly sent Noctan to do the kill last night since he was not here.. I did this as scum in my game where my partner was not here because why would someone waste and action on someone who isn't doing anything.

I left the crumb thinking BK was dietician. When i found out he wasn't it made sense Beli was.

[beastcharizard]

There is nothing to say he does or doesn't. Burden of proof on my I guess.

Have you ever been in a game where mafia whom didn't each have their own individual action weren't able to say who does the kill? If you have please link me to said game. Every time I have been mafia my team has been able to choose who did the killing. Like in my most recent Large game NY166 I believe I sent my partner to attack someone when my partner hadn't posted in the QT at all.

[beastcharizard]

I want you to believe no scum died so badly because it is true. If you all don't believe me that I haven't killed any scum then the scum will automatically win.

[beastcharizard]

I shouldn't be doing this but if you forced a no lynch situation at 1:1:1 me and scum would be forced to shoot at either you or each other thus giving town a 33% chance at the win. I am not going to hammer myself and neither is scum so without your vote we are basically forced into deciding the best course of action.

Also, if you lynch Noctan then we wouldn't have to worry about a replacement.

[beastcharizard]

I killed both BK and Wisdom so I know they were both vanilla townies.

GM, what is your role?

actually it is not guaranteed I win. There are many situations in which I would lose. I just present the ones that have the best bet of me winning.

Not content related:

You two are so much fun to play with. I am really enjoying this game.

[beastcharizard]

I am not lying though. And lynching me means you are going to lose no matter what.

What makes you think I am lying and that this is a gambit? Why would I as mafia claim to be Dietician when I knew they were still alive? None of what I have done would logically be done by mafia in my opinion.

I am SK and I promise this. I asked GM to claim because they are trying to convince you all I am mafia and not SK. For all we know she might have counter claimed SK.

[beastcharizard]

Well first I only have 1 vote.
Second, Saki was RB'd n1 and killed ER n2 whom Beli got a not cannibal read on. You would know about n1 since you claim to have RB'd them and Beli already said ER wasn't a cannible. I killed BK thinking they were going to turn up dietician.

If you want to be beaten by 1 person rather than 2 then you should be voting GM or Noctan. I promise that if you vote me the game ends with the first Donner Party scum win.

I just realized I am over looking the scums first kill. Either you or Beli could be lieing about your role.

@GM:
What is your opinion of my SK claim? I don't think I remember a clear opinion about it from you.

[beastcharizard]

I am now doubting my philosophy of who is scum. One of Beli and Banakai could be scum. Why I have been so closed minded is beyond me.

What I need is for you to explain to me why Saki would shoot BK.

[beastcharizard]

Well your feeling is bad and you are wrong. If you are town then you should know that lynching me is the wrong decision because of my claim. If I am not telling the truth then I can very easily be role blocked tomorrow from my kill. Once you roleblock me you will find out that I am telling the truth when both kills go through. Even if they both don't go through you will still see that it is down to a 1:1:1.

[beastcharizard]

GM, very well played. You and your scum partner deserve the win. The fact that you pulled this off with him needing a replacement is pretty awesome.

I really am the SK and I was so excited when I came into the game. I jumped the gun with my fake claim. I was for sure I was going to be quick lynched though because I hammered super quickly.

[beastcharizard]

Bravo. It didn't cross my mind as Beli scum until to late.

You guys were a great team and I had a lot of fun.

@Karnage:
You linked the scum QT not your note QT in your Mafia win post.

[beastcharizard]

Good game to everyone. I am disappointed in myself for not even thinking about the scum's first kill. Beli was town in my eyes so I wouldn't have ever thought of them as scum if I did manage to not be lynched.

[beastcharizard]

That is the only situation where claiming benefited me. I am still shocked at Beli scum. Very well played. I enjoyed this game a lot and would play with any of you again.