Open 533: Pick Your Poison - The End

[Hermy]

VOTE: NicCage

Why do you go pull your scumpartner out for something, and then not vote for him?

[Hermy]

I know I've got a while until a prod, but I feel like dodging it now

I don't think I have anything useful to say, that hasn't been said by somebody already.

[Hermy]

VOTE: Hermy

This looks very much like a forced newbie tell to get people to take it easy on her.

I have no intention to post any newbie tells. I've played many games off-site, and I don't classify myself as a newbie. (I don't classify myself as a master/veteran either though)

[Hermy]

I know I've got a while until a prod, but I feel like dodging it now

I don't think I have anything useful to say, that hasn't been said by somebody already.

Nononononononononononononononononononononononononnono.

You can't do this, you need to post your thoughts and your reads and vote for whoever you think is scum. You can't just sit there silently and do nothing.

Fine. If you want reads then you'll get reads. *entering ISO mode*

[Hermy]

I'm on my iPod and therefore can't do all my reads in a single post without losing what I write at least five times. And anyway, I feel like quoting stuff.

VOTE: NicCage

If your talking about not voting, you did the same thing

If your talking about "You will tonight" then learn to take a joke

No I'm not talking about not voting.

This is a shitty bw vote pretending not to be one.

Do you feel like I've overreacted to what he said? All I did was comment that it was gross.

VOTE: banaki

Nice OMGUS there...

Actually, screwing up a reaction test can be a scumtell because normally, a townie would just let test continue without going 'OH MY GOD, GUYS WATCH OUT, THIS IS A TEST!!!' Usually, I can tell somethings are reaction tests, but I don't say anything.

Goddamn dude, really?

So you're not even going to defend yourself? Just a 'Damn dude, really?'. Every time I've heard somebody say 'really?' they and up being scum. What's so surprising about that post? It's perfectly correct.

[Hermy]

Egg is null. I refuse to put anything other than null for anybody who hasn't posted at least eight times in this thread.

Therefore, all the others who haven't posted much are null too.

[Hermy]

Mnemonic has only posted seven times, but I feel like picking this post apart at the moment.

I think that we should lynch between the two people who claimed innocent townie, the odds of getting scum are higher there. Whoever is innocent townie should help us by claiming, so we have a confirmed scum.

So many things wrong here...

a) So if neither of them are an innocent child or the IC refuses/forgets to claim then we risk lynching a VT or different PR.
b) Confirming. So if we have no jailer then they'll be dead soon, and LyLo will be harder. (Providing that we do, in fact, actually have an IC).
c) What if it was an RVS joke (I think it was, not sure)? Then we lynch either one or two innocents...

[Hermy]

I hate you all. I will make sure you tonight!

Nice reaction test. I like this post.

is town.

Well noooo. Really? With all these scum claims we're also getting, this should be a breeze. (sarcasm)

[Hermy]

So, guys

I claim IC.

Discuss.

Hm. Reaction test, real IC (if we have one) or scum rolefishing?

Here's a fun question-

If you were scum, which 3 roles would you pick for town to have and why?

Because I feel like answering...

Probably:
2-Shot Vig - There is an extremely tiny chance that they'll hit scum on both goes. Providing they don't die too quickly, they can take out an extra townie or two for the mafia. Of course, it does come with the additional risk of killing a mafia member in the right hands, but it's a risk that I'd be willing to take.
1-Shot cop - The chances of getting scum are pretty small. You'll also have to get the town to believe you. You also have to make a good investigation and announce the results before you die.
Tracker - There are three people to choose from, when it comes to picking who should kill. The odds of the tracker tracking that person would be pretty small. They could also track the vig and possibly get them lynched. Or the cop, if the cop happens to be (extremely) unlucky.

Reasons for roles I wouldn't choose:
IC - If the scum didn't get this person before LyLo then that sucks. And anyway, it's not exactly a very useful p
Jailer - I'd find this way too powerful. They could stop a kill be either blocking somebody they find suspicious, OR going and jailing somebody who they think of as innocent. They COULD stop a vig-kill or a cop but the chances are rather small.

Here's another question-

When forced to claim, do you claim something you know is in the game to out the PR (tracker or JK) or do you claim those not in the game?

Hmm. I'd say probably those not in the game, as that would possibly lead to most roles outing to find a possible liar. Though, on the other hand, there is more of an outing chance when claiming the one in the game. There is also the risk of a lynch, but if you out the jailer then at night your scumbuddies could kill a good power role (of course, the logical thong would be to not claim jailer in the first

[Hermy]

Shoot. I pressed submit halfway through a sentence. So many typos •____•

[Hermy]

I counter claim IC

I was lieing about being IC,
Pretty sure notscience was too

Still not liking Nic. He's over reacting abit and he still hasn't said why he's calling that post "WIFOM"

Is this scum claiming IC and then taking it back when trouble comes? Hmm...

In general, I haven't seen very many super-helpful posts. Just a few.

[Hermy]

VOTE: YKV
For reasons.

Also fucking hell I REALLY WANTED TO BE MAF IN THIS SETUP!!!

Really? You're just going to say that? That sounds fairly scummy.

In post 28 i was asked what reasons.
Also ppl who say "serious vote" are always scumz!

Somebody is

definitely

scum because of what they said?

[Hermy]

Actually, screwing up a reaction test can be a scumtell because normally, a townie would just let test continue without going 'OH MY GOD, GUYS WATCH OUT, THIS IS A TEST!!!' Usually, I can tell somethings are reaction tests, but I don't say anything.

Not sure whether I mention this before, but good point.

I know I've got a while until a prod, but I feel like dodging it now

I don't think I have anything useful to say, that hasn't been said by somebody already.

Nononononononononononononononononononononononononnono.

You can't do this, you need to post your thoughts and your reads and vote for whoever you think is scum. You can't just sit there silently and do nothing.

To be honest, you do have a point.

BE, in general, seems like town at the moment.

[Hermy]

I think that's everybody...

[Hermy]

Egg is null. I refuse to put anything other than null for anybody who hasn't posted at least eight times in this thread.

Therefore, all the others who haven't posted much are null too.

Seems like most are null regardless of posting times

Yeah, I know. I was just mentioning that I can't get a good read on people who haven't posted much.

[Hermy]

Beast, are you actually stupid or are you just scum pretending to be stupid?

I OBVIOUSLY meant person-who-has-the-role fishing

[Hermy]

Prod dodge.
I'll be back to post useful stuff in an hour or so.

[Hermy]

VOTE: Hermy

This looks very much like a forced newbie tell to get people to take it easy on her.

There are only 2 people on this playerlist that remotely applies to, js.

You hermy's bud?

I do. I think Hermy is scum.

Guys, we should be voting hermy.

NS, I'm not quite sure why you're voting for me. I already said that... whatever it was that I said wasn't intendded as a newbie tell.

[Hermy]

So, guys

I claim IC.

Discuss.

Hm. Reaction test, real IC (if we have one) or scum rolefishing?

Here's a fun question-

If you were scum, which 3 roles would you pick for town to have and why?

Because I feel like answering...

Probably:
2-Shot Vig - There is an extremely tiny chance that they'll hit scum on both goes. Providing they don't die too quickly, they can take out an extra townie or two for the mafia. Of course, it does come with the additional risk of killing a mafia member in the right hands, but it's a risk that I'd be willing to take.
1-Shot cop - The chances of getting scum are pretty small. You'll also have to get the town to believe you. You also have to make a good investigation and announce the results before you die.
Tracker - There are three people to choose from, when it comes to picking who should kill. The odds of the tracker tracking that person would be pretty small. They could also track the vig and possibly get them lynched. Or the cop, if the cop happens to be (extremely) unlucky.

Reasons for roles I wouldn't choose:
IC - If the scum didn't get this person before LyLo then that sucks. And anyway, it's not exactly a very useful p
Jailer - I'd find this way too powerful. They could stop a kill be either blocking somebody they find suspicious, OR going and jailing somebody who they think of as innocent. They COULD stop a vig-kill or a cop but the chances are rather small.

Here's another question-

When forced to claim, do you claim something you know is in the game to out the PR (tracker or JK) or do you claim those not in the game?

Hmm. I'd say probably those not in the game, as that would possibly lead to most roles outing to find a possible liar. Though, on the other hand, there is more of an outing chance when claiming the one in the game. There is also the risk of a lynch, but if you out the jailer then at night your scumbuddies could kill a good power role (of course, the logical thong would be to not claim jailer in the first

to the bold part:
What?! The scum already know the roles the town has so why the heck would they need to fish to find out which one the village has? You are trying to set up a lynch on ns. What about the other person who claimed IC? Why not mention them? Are they your scum scum buddy and you don't want to bus them?

VOTE: Hermy

So Beast, why is that vote staying? And as for what was bolded - I pointed out ns because he was first to say it, which to me looks more like rolefishing. Oh, wait, I forgot, person-who-has-the-role-fishing, because that's then ony way I can get that through to you. Though the other person may well be rolefishing too. Or it could be some sort of joke or reaction test. Something.

[Hermy]

Prod dodge.
I'll be back to post useful stuff in an hour or so.

Your definition of useful is to try and convince me not to vote you, rather than why to vote someone else?

Pretty sure that's scum motivation.

I'm about to do that. I've discusse the two non-OMGUS votes for me, and I'm about to go defend myself. Just be a little patient, alright?

And that reasoning is so feeble...

[Hermy]

Reasons why I'm town:

VOTE: NicCage

Why do you go pull your scumpartner out for something, and then not vote for him?

Useful post early on

I know I've got a while until a prod, but I feel like dodging it now

I don't think I have anything useful to say, that hasn't been said by somebody already.

This was a terrible, terrible post. I fully acknowledge that. I was feeling pretty irritated and lazy at the time, and I wanted to avoid a prod.

VOTE: Hermy

This looks very much like a forced newbie tell to get people to take it easy on her.

I have no intention to post any newbie tells. I've played many games off-site, and I don't classify myself as a newbie. (I don't classify myself as a master/veteran either though)

I have explained this, ns. Why else am I scum?

I counter claim IC

I was lieing about being IC,
Pretty sure notscience was too

Still not liking Nic. He's over reacting abit and he still hasn't said why he's calling that post "WIFOM"

Is this scum claiming IC and then taking it back when trouble comes? Hmm...

In general, I haven't seen very many super-helpful posts. Just a few.

I've discussed both IC claims, Beast.

[Hermy]

After commiting an attempt to newbtell, they're adamant they did not as well as spend time telling me I'm wrong and ISOing themselves to prove so rather than why their scumreads are valid.

I was NOT newbtelling. I have no idea how that comes off as a newbtell. I've already explained why my scumreads are valid.

Explanation count: 4

[Hermy]

Hai. Responding to prod.

I'll post useful stuff later.

[Hermy]

Disappearing but still posting elsewhere during high suspicion time seals the deal for me. Just waiting for it all to blow over. Yeah... no.

[Hermy]

Been prodded....

I'm REALLY not sure about who the scum is

Ugh. Twelve posts. Only. And... ugh. Fencesitting.

VOTE: Banakai

[Hermy]

... and? Did you get a result or did the jailkeeper block you (if there is one)?

[Hermy]

I did have a feeling that YKV was town, but nevertheless, seems like a decent person to investigate. So that's good.

[Hermy]

Come to think of that, yeah, why IS HC scum? I don't remember reading any reasons. Hm.

[Hermy]

Sweet! Two unexplained votes! You lot are fantastic!
Arguably NS has

yesterday's

reason, though I really don't see why he is tunneling so much.

[Hermy]

(vote]Nic[/vote] is a better option IMO.

[Hermy]

Oops, messed up the coding VOTE: Nic

[Hermy]

If the NC/HC/NS thing has ANY credit, ns is probably the townie included in the bloc. Note PROBABLY, not definately. But ns is reading town. Noone ever sees my d1 play as too stupid for scum and my d2 open strong. Never. Given could be scum buddying me, thus the 'probably not definately.'

For arguments sake, I love to take people others find scummy or that I would find scummy as town (when I play scum) and defend them.

Following up on what Venrob said, what you said is known as scum play. You buddy with someone people find scummy and, since you know they'll flip town, later you can say 'I'm so town, I knew he wasn't scum, see?'. Or something to that effect.

VOTE: NS

[Hermy]

I have gone over this so many times this game.

1) The newbie slip earlier

It isn't a f-ing newbie slip. Ugh! I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here.

2) Her spending more time trying to prove it wasn't a slip than looking for scum

I was explaining stuff to a brick wall. I'd have done other stuff if the brick wall had actually listened.

3) Her amished

My what?

4) Her terribad vote on me

Of course it's bad in your eyes; you're scum, your aim is not to get lynched (pretty much)

[Hermy]

I forgot to mention, if the whole 'newbie tell' theory/idea is NS's main point then I'm pretty disappointed.

[Hermy]

Neat. Why haven't you done any scumhunting?

Saying I haven't done

any

is over-exaggerating. I do scumhunt. Not much, true, but I try.

[Hermy]

Nic and NS are voting together again...

[Hermy]

*waves*
I'm here.

I see you need a claim.

I'm a jailkeeper (yay, power role!). N1 I flipped a coin and didn't jailkeep Nic. Instead I went for Egg, as he seemed pretty town-y to me on D1.

So... yes. It would be beneficical if I wasn't lynched.

[Hermy]

That was fun. I prefer being town though, less stressful.

One sec, I'll see if I can find the Mafia QT.

[Hermy]

There:
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/Kr95QtPmqFe8H