Open 531: Masons and Mafia [GAME OVER!]

Pahlok · Post Post #27 (isolation #0) » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:57 pm

Wake's idea is stupid, but I don't think he quite realized why (and I'm not sure if he understands yet either). I hate to hand out the dummy card, but I think it applies in this situation.

Basically, Wake, if all the masons revealed, then the mafia would kill each of them quickly within the first 4 days before any information can be found or any vote reached. This would leave 4 mafia and 5 townies. That means that the 5 vanilla townies would need to correctly lynch scum on the next day after the mason homicide in order to even have a chance to win, which is not good odds for town.

I have to agree on 1baldeagle1's town read for Wake. It's too genuinely ignorant, and it's too bold of a move for scum to draw attention like that out of the gate. Something as cliche as actually asking the masons to claim under scum motivation is practically at the point of nonexistence at the level of play expected on MafiaScum.

TCold was a lame wagon choice considering they've yet to even confirm.

Flammus wagon for me. VOTE: Flammus

Pahlok · Post Post #28 (isolation #1) » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:58 pm

Well shit.

Pahlok · Post Post #29 (isolation #2) » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:01 pm

Fuuuck me. God dammit. I was too late. Shit shit shit.

Pahlok · Post Post #30 (isolation #3) » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:05 pm

Like really? Really? Like fuck, even simple LOGIC could tell you masons have a fucking PURPOSE in this game. If the point was to claim mason and let the townies duke it out, there wouldn't even BE masons. It'd just be a 5 townie 4 mafia nightless game, and that'd be it. There's a REASON masons are here. Ugh. Uggghhh.

Pahlok · Post Post #34 (isolation #4) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:28 am

Oohh. Ooohhh. I get it. Damn. Had me fooled. I was fired up.

Speedhammer would only work if we had a pretty unified certainty on who scum was. And even then, there's the chance of being wrong. That would suck to lose momentum in the middle of a lynch because of a daykill, but I think that would also be a good tell. Who would want to stall it and why? Plus if the daykill backfires, that's a TON of information to rework a case.

Pahlok · Post Post #52 (isolation #5) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:41 am

I'm having trouble determining whether YKV vs Baldeagle/Wake is just vitrolic town vs town or if YKV is scummy. YKV at least seems like he's trying to scope out scum, but he's pushing in the wrong kind of way in my opinion. Surprisingly, baldeagle jumping to Wake's defense doesn't seem suspicious to me. It might be because of the setup, or because Wake's defense is now tied to baldeagle's as far as YKV's case goes. I have a slight town read from Wake for the genuine misguided effort. I can tell baldeagle is getting annoyed by YKV's case, but he seems to be responding appropriately.

I'm a little surprised that Klick jumped votes so quickly, since his reason for voting Sakura was solid enough for an early game vote. Klick, do you still hold that suspicion on Sakura, or have you abandoned that pursuit in favor of YKV?

Pahlok · Post Post #58 (isolation #6) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:19 am

I'm about ready to bow out. I didn't have the time to read up on everyone like I did in my last game, and this is twice in this game now I've wasted time on fakers. Then it just turns into a dickwaving competition of experience.

Pahlok · Post Post #61 (isolation #7) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:11 pm

I'm just bugged. I'm going to sleep on it.

Pahlok · Post Post #71 (isolation #8) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:23 am

Darthe, that wasn't in response to Klick. Try reading the thread before making dumb posts.

I've already made my fair share of dumb posts and I'm mostly annoyed with myself. But I guess I'll stick it out. Read on Wake is still town despite.

YKV's explanation of th mason claiming makes me nervous. If all it takes is a party trick like that to be seen as a town leader, I don't know if I want it. That seems just as easy and likely for scum to do as anyone else. I'm not feeling it.

Pahlok · Post Post #76 (isolation #9) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:16 am

I'm just a grump about this game. I would say I don't even care if I get lynched, but that'd be really disappointing and unfair to town. I can at least suck it up for that reason if anything. I embarrassed myself and then let it out on people when I was fed up. As far as what I've contributed that makes me more of an asset than a liability, not much. I'm disappointed in the gullibility of my play and I feel like the efforts I've made on reads have been wasted because of my own lacking. But I guess that also shows transparency, so that's really up for town to decide on.

As far as lurkers, I'm holding onto Flammus still. His only post is one saying he's going to post tonight, so we'll see what comes of that.

Pahlok · Post Post #78 (isolation #10) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:38 am

Actually, he said he was going to post LAST night. So now I'm even more interested.

P-edit: I don't really understand what you're asking for. If you're fishing for a claim, you're not getting it.

Pahlok · Post Post #80 (isolation #11) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:07 am

Baldeagle, I get the feeling Wake wasn't actually intending to go through with a policy lynch. He asked for a lurker lynch list. Seeing how people compare players that have hardly/not interacted in the thread is a good idea for catching scum. It also puts pressure on lurkers, since lurking is unhelpful if they're town or gives them an easy out if they're scum since "lurking isn't a scumtell"

Pahlok · Post Post #83 (isolation #12) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:07 am

Solid post. UNVOTE: Flammus

The mason claims make me uneasy. Either scum is smart enough not to take their chances, or one/both of the claims come from scum. So either way means we're playing with smart scum. I haven't observed anything inherently scummy from the claimers, so I'm leaning toward the prior possibility at this time. I think these claims will be more important later on once we can start drawing associative lines and trapping scum in corners.

Pahlok · Post Post #91 (isolation #13) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:13 am

YKV wagon has sense, but I really want to get a competing wagon going and see what comes of the two. I don't have any strong scumreads, and there are still lurkers to account for.

VOTE: phokdapoleese

Move it or lose it, buster.

P-edit: Welcome qwertyuiop. The problem with divvying it up like that is that you're assuming a 25% probability of each of those things happening. It's a lot more fluid than that. Even "believing it" is subjective, since anyone would be a fool to 100% believe a claim like that. Think about it. If the scenarios for masons claiming mason were SO awful that it would be stupid to do so, then scum would only have to think "Well who HASN'T claimed mason?" In order to find masons. Also, things will get super interesting down the road of there end up being 5 or more mason claims. It might all seem pointless now, but once endgame comes, information like this could be a gamechanger.

Pahlok · Post Post #93 (isolation #14) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:20 am

Are you implying your eye wasn't previously on me and my actions? That'd be a bit silly to only start noticing me now, and it conflicts with your earlier attempt to grill me.

Pahlok · Post Post #97 (isolation #15) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:48 am

Keyword: "attempt"

I'd ask you to show me what your real caliber of grilling is, but it'd be wasted on me.

Is your case on YKV now weaker than whatever you've got against me? Still have Sakura in your sights?

Pahlok · Post Post #98 (isolation #16) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:49 am

Wait, nevermind, that was Klick who mentioned Sakura. Bluh bluh. Got mixed up.

Pahlok · Post Post #100 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:55 am

That's a bold assumption. Chronically scatterbrained is a better term.

Answer the (first) question?

Pahlok · Post Post #102 (isolation #18) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:15 pm

I meant the first question in my mixed up post (as opposed to the second that was mixes up). But honestly, nevermind. I don't even care. I'm least interested in you as scum. What I'm trying to get at is that YKV is a better case in my opinion, unless you know something I don't.

And no, I won't be making a claim. That's probably the worst thing I could do. The more you push for a claim from me, the more useless I become, especially if town (or worse, mafia) jumps on your idea.

Pahlok · Post Post #104 (isolation #19) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:25 pm

I didn't mention this last game, but Sakura, I'm in love with your playstyle.

Pahlok · Post Post #107 (isolation #20) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:40 pm

Super unnecessary IV. Bad mod. Bad.

Pahlok · Post Post #112 (isolation #21) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:52 pm

Bum deal, man. Oh well.

Sakura's play is still my favorite all game.

Pahlok · Post Post #114 (isolation #22) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:00 pm

Your cute rhymes hold no sway on me. Maybe I am, maybe I'm not. Why are you so intent on me claiming? What do you intend to accomplish with that information from me specifically?

Pahlok · Post Post #117 (isolation #23) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:26 pm

Very funny. Are you sure that's what you want to do? Nothing's stopping you, I mean. If that's what you think is going to happen, I guess I'm done with this back and forth. Living isn't my primary goal, but it's definitely preferable. Look harder before you make your decision, though. Anything is possible. Tomorrow will tell, for sure. Own up to it if you choose wrong, though. Winning isn't easy. No action is free of reaction. It's your choice, man. Everything in?

Pahlok · Post Post #120 (isolation #24) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:34 pm

I think you should say more.

VOTE: Darthe

Pahlok · Post Post #121 (isolation #25) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:36 pm

UNVOTE: phokdapoleese
VOTE: Darthe
For the mod's sake.

Pahlok · Post Post #124 (isolation #26) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:40 pm

I see subtlety isn't your strong suit. Very well, then.

Pahlok · Post Post #126 (isolation #27) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:46 pm

I'm not going to say whether or not I think someone is a mason. Mason/VT will just be referred to as town by me.

Baldeagle comes across as town to me. I'm straying from certainty on that until I see his replacement play.

YKV is up in the air for me, falling broadly neutral. I think the case on him is realistic, but so is the possibility that he's overzealous town. I need to see more from him. It would be a shame if the wagon on him dies down before he starts posting again.

Pahlok · Post Post #128 (isolation #28) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:50 pm

I think he was just sheeping me. I would have liked to stick with him on that vote, but Darthe is either dumb or scum.

I'm not sure what Wake's deal is.

Pahlok · Post Post #132 (isolation #29) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:59 pm

I disagree, Wake. I think masons are more expendable than VT's. VT has the power to play balls to the wall, and they're the strongest endgame except for a massclaim situation. The less VTs there are, the more likely it is that masons will get shot.

Pahlok · Post Post #135 (isolation #30) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:15 pm

There are two claimed masons. And no, a massclaim would be dumb as hell right now. The town is not motivated to know who the masons are. Scum is. What the hell are you trying to do?

Pahlok · Post Post #138 (isolation #31) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:51 pm

I'm kind of upset you brought that up so quickly, Wake. That "we Masons are the Head Honchos of Town" thing was really good.

Pahlok · Post Post #139 (isolation #32) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:52 pm

Okay, now I get what's up with Wake. At first I thought he was just too sure of himself, but now I realize he has no clue.

Pahlok · Post Post #140 (isolation #33) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:55 pm

(PS it's really cute how you think you get to choose whether I die or not.)

Pahlok · Post Post #142 (isolation #34) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:08 pm

I honestly don't even care if you do, Wake. Go ahead and blow hot air 'til you're silly in the head. I'm moving on. You're town and you're wasting my time.

Pahlok · Post Post #145 (isolation #35) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:24 pm

Wait, maybe I'm wrong, but I think I see what you're doing now. Keep doing it if you're doing what I think you are. You'll know what I mean if I'm guessing right, because it's awesome.

P-edit: Flammus is excused from my above prediction's results.

Pahlok · Post Post #148 (isolation #36) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:29 pm

Addendum: Anyone who isn't voting me should vote Darthe unless they want to stick to their own pick. Especially if you didn't miss it.

Pahlok · Post Post #152 (isolation #37) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:02 pm

@poppedeye: At Klick? That's an interesting choice. Why him?

@Wake88: Nope, not claiming.

Pahlok · Post Post #153 (isolation #38) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:11 pm

Wake, if you're not pulling the gambit-y bullshit I think you're pulling, then your motivation is really questionable. If you don't think I'm a mason, and you're sure that I'm either a VT or scum, why would you want me to claim? It honestly doesn't make sense for town unless you're doing a thing.

Pahlok · Post Post #155 (isolation #39) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:20 pm

Yes, wonderful, you proved it so well with all of that nothing you just said.

Pahlok · Post Post #157 (isolation #40) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:29 pm

The truth is that you're being oblivious.

Pahlok · Post Post #162 (isolation #41) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:56 pm

For the amount of information it would reveal due to the nature of this lynch, it is worth getting lynched over. I don't mind dying as long as my death serves a greater purpose. I'd rather not have to die day one, but this is mafia, so shit happens. I'm going to make the best of it either way, and I'm not going to let your dumb obsession with my role get in the way of that. I know what I'm doing. You can take that roleclaim that's already right in front of your face and shove it up your ass for all I care. I've got my final post written up already, just in case things go your entitled fucking way.

Pahlok · Post Post #164 (isolation #42) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:07 pm

No, YKV. That's just kind of how she does things. It was an intentional "mistake" in order to gauge reactions and possibly prompt scum to daykill Wake in an attempt to frame her, which would be a great way for scum to die if Wake happens to be VT. It was a really smooth move, but then IV killed it.

Pahlok · Post Post #167 (isolation #43) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:25 pm

YKV: Right-o. Take a look at her play in my last game while you wait.

Wake: Would it even matter to you if I claimed, or are you just being vitriolic for the sake of it at this point? Don't take that as me giving in, because trust me, I'm not going to. Not until the bitter end, if that's what it comes down to.

Does anyone else understand the point of pushing a claim on me, because I don't get it and apparently neither does Wake since he can't seem to explain why a force-claimed VT or Mason day one is a good idea.

Pahlok · Post Post #169 (isolation #44) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:32 pm

Like, shit man, your logic is so flawed. What's the point of reflecting nightkills if I'm VT and claim VT? What's the point of mason if I'm mason and I claim mason and get shot? An information-loaded noose is the better route for me if you're going to blindly push this bullshit wagon on the grounds of a forced claim that I don't want to give you because it'll damage the integrity of my role either way. I just honestly can't understand how you can literally be that dense.

P-edit: YKV: I only have one other game, just check the threads I've posted in.

Pahlok · Post Post #172 (isolation #45) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:43 pm

You stupid little shit. Those protective powers are USELESS if they're CLAIMED. Mason is USELESS if it's CLAIMED. You've put me in a situation where I have to either claim my true role, or keep quiet and wait for my flip so I can expel knowledge on your foolish ass. I would rather be DEAD and give INFORMATION than save my own ass by making my role USELESS and winding up with some other townie strung up who could have still used their role.

Is any of this making sense, or are you just trying to see how much you can piss me off?

Pahlok · Post Post #173 (isolation #46) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:47 pm

Also, cut the bold text unless you're addressing the mod, please. It's irritating, and we can read the normal text just fine, thank you. You're not adding any necessary emphasis. We are literally the center of attention at the moment, and you're making an ass of yourself.

Pahlok · Post Post #176 (isolation #47) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:54 pm

Look at me, I'm Wake88 and I'm so cool because I claimed mason and I type in bold so I'm obviously the leader here. Listen to me and force this person to claim their role for absolutely no good reason! When he tells you why he won't claim, just ignore it and push harder! That will totally work everyone, I'm a professional!

I'm not saying shit, and you can't make me 'til the last breath leaves my cold lifeless corpse.

Pahlok · Post Post #179 (isolation #48) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:11 pm

@Poppedeye: Finally someone gets how it works. Though I'm not committing to anything you speculated about my role. It's best left a mystery. It's best if all the town players are mysterious about their roles. Speculating who is mason just helps mafia and gets people killed, unless you're fake-speccing to try and trick mafia.

@Wake: NO I WOULDN'T BECAUSE THAT'D DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF VT YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER. I AM SO TIRED OF YOUR SHIT.

Pahlok · Post Post #181 (isolation #49) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:31 pm

I'm not racing to the gallows, you're dragging me there despite my protest. Here's an idea that's probably not entered your thick noggin; I don't claim so I can retain the integrity of my role, and town doesn't lynch me so I live long enough to make actual use of it. And what the FUCK did I just say about mason-speccing?

Pahlok · Post Post #182 (isolation #50) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:33 pm

Do you typically find simple concepts beyond your grasp, Wake, or do you just like to watch the world burn?

Pahlok · Post Post #184 (isolation #51) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:37 pm

Sorry IV. I'm just getting real fed up. I've been trying to explain this for pages now and he just doesn't get it.

Pahlok · Post Post #187 (isolation #52) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:49 pm

I don't intend to replace, and I don't intend to claim. You've made up your mind, and you're going to do what you're going to do. I can only hope the rest of town has some common sense not to fuel your hearse. There is literally nothing left to argue with you about on this. I've made my point, and you've made yours. I'm going to sleep now.

Pahlok · Post Post #190 (isolation #53) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:05 pm

I told myself I wasn't going to look at this before I went to bed, but then I did. It won't be my fault if I do, it'll be yours. This is your wagon, and you are going to own up to it. You talk as if I'm at death's door. I'm at L-3. Far from it. If you think you're pushing a claim on me with weaksauce broken logic against what I've already explained when I'm not even NEAR death, you're delusional as heck.

UNVOTE: Darthe
VOTE: Wake88

Pahlok · Post Post #191 (isolation #54) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:06 pm

And goodnight.

Pahlok · Post Post #194 (isolation #55) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:39 pm

You are literally the worst. I have so much rage for you that I can't even go to sleep. So you know what? I officially have run out of fucks to give for this game.

In post 117, Pahlok wrote:
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re you sure that's what you want to do?
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othing's stopping you, I mean.
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f that's what you think is going to happen, I guess I'm done with this back and forth.
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iving isn't my primary goal, but it's definitely preferable.
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ook harder before you make your decision, though.
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nything is possible.
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omorrow will tell, for sure.
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wn up to it if you choose wrong, though.
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inning isn't easy.
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o action is free of reaction.
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t's your choice, man.
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verything in?

Pahlok · Post Post #195 (isolation #56) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:48 pm

If a different VT gets lynched because I claimed, it is 100% your fault, Wake. This is what you wanted.

Pahlok · Post Post #196 (isolation #57) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:52 pm

Congratulations by the way. Scum knows not to target me now, all because you couldn't take a hint and let it go. I hope you're proud.

Pahlok · Post Post #198 (isolation #58) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:03 am

I kinda knew what was up because when I played my previous game with you, you did a sort of similar thing by outright scumclaiming in thread. I was anticipating something gutsy from you of the like, and it happened.

Pahlok · Post Post #203 (isolation #59) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:30 am

@YKV: I don't think anyone was going to, YKV. That's really awkward that you're throwing up a defense against something that nobody brought up except you. Especially when you could address the votes on you for the actual reasons people are voting you instead.

@Wake: I didn't want to claim or be lynched. You were forcing one of the two. I dropped every hint I could for you to bugger off, but you just kept pushing and pushing. Trust me, I WISH I was scum at this point just so I could shoot you and either get rid of you or end my own misery.

P-edit: YKV, only three people in the whole game have posted more than the mod. You call wake scum and then vote a lurker? UNVOTE: Wake88 VOTE: YKV

Pahlok · Post Post #205 (isolation #60) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:49 am

I'm not sure what you mean by "counter wagon".

However, I

am

sure there are even less productive members of this thread than qwertyuiop, and if that's what you were going for, then you would be better to motivate them.

I'm not stopping you from scumhunting because you're not scumhunting. You called out soneone as scum, and then you put your vote elsewhere.

Pahlok · Post Post #210 (isolation #61) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:04 am

Look at the content of those posts, not just the number. Phok is obviously the most useless right now.

Wake, I didn't really feel like your "outing" other "masons" was a smooth play. I guess I get what you were going for, but I'm not really feeling it. Fishing roles is doing scum's job for them.

Pahlok · Post Post #215 (isolation #62) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:21 am

To be fair, while they are still lurking, it's l not really as bad as it looks compared to our post counts. I feel like our overexaggerated debate inadvertently set up a smokescreen for lurkers and scum last night, and now we're seeing the results of that.

I've got work today, so I'm going to try and refrain from posting so much for now in order to draw out conversation from others. Also in order to keep my job, because no texting on the clock haha.

Pahlok · Post Post #218 (isolation #63) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:37 am

That's just kind of creepy, Wake.

P-edit: YKV beat me to it.

Pahlok · Post Post #220 (isolation #64) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:57 am

Yeah, no. You think you're town leader because you've claimed mason and you type in bold? Get real. All you've accomplished is outing a townie. Bravo. Following your lead is the worst plan of action.

Pahlok · Post Post #223 (isolation #65) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:28 am

Work starts in 35 minutes. I'll see you on the other side. As you said, roleclaiming doesn't mean you're telling the truth Mr. "Mason". The only person I've seen buddying up with people is you, Wake.

It's really funny how he says something and then goes complete 180 and then does exactly what he brought up.

Pahlok · Post Post #256 (isolation #66) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:16 am

... Wake's entire game was dumb as hell. Why did he draw so much attention to himself as a mason? I was 90% sure he was a VT trying to attract scum, but nope. I still don't understand how he thought masons are leaders. Masons are weak compared to VT in my opinion. Case in point. I'm still pissed he forced my claim. We're a player down now because of his hubris, and now my role is useless beyond not getting shot endgame. Plus I just hate him and his dumb bold text. I refuse to ever play a game with him again in the future.

YKV, your flavor is cute, but flavor is the mod's job. Your plan reeks, and here's why.

What you're asking to institute is a lynch system. You're stripping the interaction, the core piece of what makes Mafiascum so intricate and long-form, and simplifying it down to something I'd expect on EpicMafia. This is a game of association. Focusing it on one person and their picks is limiting. Play the game right.

VOTE: YellowKingValley

Luckily, Wake made enough of a ruckus to drum up quite a bit of information. I'd say I'm almost 70% sure I know who the rest of the masons are.

Pahlok · Post Post #259 (isolation #67) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:56 am

I don't understand how what YKV said changed your opinion on Klick. o.o

Pahlok · Post Post #266 (isolation #68) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:32 am

Hmm. I'm feeling it. YKV makes more sense than Klick still, but with four mafioso running amok, it wouldn't surprise me if they were in cahoots.

P-edit: Klick just claimed either VT or scum over his mason claim. And I'm inclined to believe the latter. I think running competing wagons on YKV and Klick is the best course of action.

Pahlok · Post Post #269 (isolation #69) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:50 am

So you're... Unclaiming? Is that even a thing? That seems really weird, but so is this setup. I can picture town motivation as a possibility, so let's run with it for a bit and see what happens. Whydo you pick those townpicks? Especially YKV?

Pahlok · Post Post #270 (isolation #70) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:51 am

Also, I just realized that was really strange of you to list yourself in third person in your own townpicks. O.o What even is that?

Pahlok · Post Post #273 (isolation #71) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:58 am

^Basically my exact sentiments on YKV's vote.

Though he's already given his reason for "why lurkers" I still am curious as to "why qwertyuiop and not phok" if that was his intent.

Pahlok · Post Post #275 (isolation #72) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:06 am

Klick, if you had to lynch anyone as scum at this very moment, who would it be and why?

P-edit: My read on Flammus is town. He asked me good questions to make his own decision on things when Wake was being a butt and trying to rope people into it.

Pahlok · Post Post #276 (isolation #73) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:08 am

When I say lynch anyone as scum, I mean them as scum, not you as scum.

Pahlok · Post Post #278 (isolation #74) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:18 am

That's exactly why I asked it. If you're town, you're going to need to focus on who you think scum is.

I agree that qwertyuiop's post is out of place, but not entirely so. It was on the previous day, and it's pretty far behind us now. Not to mention it was already addressed at the time, and the the case against YKV is already pretty strong without it. But the incident did involve qwertyuiop, so that's good that he's acknowledging it as opposed to ignoring it. Plus I think YKV should still be held accountable for that lame vote.

What I'd like to see from qwertyuiop now is commentary on the current situation.

Pahlok · Post Post #281 (isolation #75) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:34 am

If I ever make a band, I'm naming it Pahlok and the Dead Wake now. It just sounds awesome.

What exactly do you mean by "seems like a good opportunity for scum to detract from any dangerous line of reasoning."?

Also, no need to unvote, this is a new day. Poppedeye made that same mistake.

If you're doing something for a reaction, why state that you're doing it for a reaction when you do it?

And it doesn't take scum to see how dumb Wake was playing.

Pahlok · Post Post #283 (isolation #76) » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:48 am

Agreed. I was also very confident in my town read on Wake. I only voted him before giving into a claim because I was trying to get him off of me, which didn't work and just made him worse.

Pahlok · Post Post #292 (isolation #77) » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:02 am

His death post implies he was going for a double bluff. Which is as good as no bluff at all.

Pahlok · Post Post #298 (isolation #78) » Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:15 am

In post 293, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
In post 286, Flammus wrote:Hi replacements. Bye wake. <3
Darthe, why is there still a vote on me?
Bicephalous Bob, why do I still have a vote on me for townreading a mason?
I was asleep. Why are you so concerned with my vote on you?

Are you implying you would not be viting him if you were awake to change your vote? I understand why you're leaving your vote right now, because of his reaction. But had he not reacted like that, would you have moved on to someone else? If so, who?

Pahlok · Post Post #301 (isolation #79) » Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:28 am

I already have an idea of who the masons are. What I'm doing is scumhunting. I'm not defending Flammus. His reaction was bad, and I'm not surprised to see Bob keeping his vote on him for it. The way Bob answered his question made it seem like the only reason was because he was asleep. I want to know what Bob's plan was otherwise.

Pahlok · Post Post #304 (isolation #80) » Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:32 am

Way to slim it down for your scumbuddies, YKV.

Pahlok · Post Post #308 (isolation #81) » Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:39 am

It's important to be able to differentiate between mason connections and scum connections. Looking for both is how you do that.

Stating who you think is and isn't a mason only helps scum.

Pahlok · Post Post #315 (isolation #82) » Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:21 am

Look at YKV as scum for a moment if you haven't already for some reason. If he was scum and he was asked to pick a scumteam, who do you think he would pick? If you guessed the same picks he just made, you have your answer on his alignment.

Pahlok · Post Post #330 (isolation #83) » Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:56 pm

Okay, wow. I was very very very wrong, and I don't mean just about YKV. I need to completely reevalute all of my reads.

Pahlok · Post Post #331 (isolation #84) » Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:20 pm

VOTE: Sakura Hana

Pahlok · Post Post #334 (isolation #85) » Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:24 pm

In post 163, YellowKingValley wrote:
In post 161, Wake1 wrote:Yeah, you're not a Mason YKV.
I
am.

...

Also, Flammus, Sakura, and Poppedeye are Masons.
Sakura Mason? LOL...

In post 103, Sakura Hana wrote:
Kill: Wake88
Are you defending this post of hers? Because if both of you are not from the same team, this post of hers has no town motivation.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

My theory now is that when Wake revealed these "masons," he was actually listing his scumreads that weren't me.
YKV would have known this since he was also actually a mason. He took the message and went for Sakura. Wake's prodding Sakura later supports this, and it explains why YKV was so set on his vote. It was a subtle way for Wake to communicate with his fellow masons, and YKV followed through brilliantly. I mistook Wake's masonlist gor more idiotic play, and I assumed he actually outed the real masons. I was worried if one of the people he listed flipped mason, it would be more obvious and we'd lose all the masons very quickly. YKV's flip changed that.

Pahlok · Post Post #337 (isolation #86) » Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:34 pm

It's not a problem if he's right. You seem to be getting a little nervous there, Sakura.

Pahlok · Post Post #341 (isolation #87) » Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:17 pm

Phokdapolees hasn't posted in over 48 hours. Prod/replacement?

Pahlok · Post Post #342 (isolation #88) » Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:31 pm

In post 340, Sakura Hana wrote: Despite the kill tho I'm still townreading Pahlok as we were both attacking YKV i doubt he would kill him just to put himself under fire.

Holy shit, this definitely just sealed the deal. You're using me as a proxy to WIFOM.

In post 340, Sakura Hana wrote:i doubt i would kill him just to put myself under fire.

Fixed that for you.

Pahlok · Post Post #350 (isolation #89) » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:10 pm

Suh-weet! You know what THAT means, right?

In post 343, Guyett wrote: hmm there is way too much WIFOM here.
I have a town read on Pahlok and I have to have a proper look at Sakura but it
could be that both of you are town and are being set up for a mislynch?
Given the mechanics of the game scum need to find the masons but also get at least one mislynch in.

If Sakura was town, he would WANT us to get set up for a mislynch. Which means Sakura is his scumpartner. He probably tried shooting me to get me off of Sakura's tail. He should've known better.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

Pahlok · Post Post #352 (isolation #90) » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:36 pm

I do not believe you were hounding me as I was you. In fact, you townread me until now. So no, the same does not apply.

Pahlok · Post Post #357 (isolation #91) » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:12 pm

>Doesn't understand the setup
>Asks me if I'm inexperienced

I am inexperienced as a matter of fact, but I'm not dumb. I don't expect any newbie sympathy, and neither should you give me any.

I don't see anything wrong with what I said. If Guyett and Sakura are both scum, then that is something Guyett would say to get me off of her. Since Guyett is scum, and I believe Sakura is scum, then I believe that is why he said that. Furthermore, I believe he thought I was pulling an elaborate bluff as a mason by distancing from the other masons drastically. If I were a mason, it'd be a pretty sweet move, since scum would most likely assume I really am a VT and they'd never shoot me. That'd leave us with 5 VT's and 1 mason who would never get shot, and scum would end up shooting VT's looking for the mason, killing themselves. I think Guyett took his chances on this, and now he's dead.

Pahlok · Post Post #361 (isolation #92) » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:50 am

I was waiting for a post from you. I have a second theory, and it involves you, but I'm keeping it hush for now.

VOTE: Darthe

Sakura, don't think you're getting off the hook here.

Pahlok · Post Post #362 (isolation #93) » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:51 am

UNVOTE: Sakura hana
VOTE: Darthe

Pahlok · Post Post #368 (isolation #94) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:44 am

Me too hehe. So, that leaves 2 masons, 2 Mafia, and 5 VT's. 5 votes to lynch (not sure why the mod isn't saying how many votes to lynch each day but whatever). Which means we've got this game in the bag.

VOTE: Sakura Hana

Pahlok · Post Post #369 (isolation #95) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:48 am

In post 105, Flammus wrote:Sakura, is that a mafia day kill or vote? :l

Pahlok · Post Post #373 (isolation #96) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:30 am

Are you sure, Klick? That sounds a bit weird to me. That would also mean lynching her before she can say anything, limiting information. Town has a 22% chance to lynch scum correctly (not factoring in that the two masons know not to lynch each other) whereas scum has a 71% chance to shoot a VT and kill themselves.

Pahlok · Post Post #387 (isolation #97) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:51 am

We now have two players requesting replacement. One player has yet to post since a prod and will probably also get replaced. One of the eight living slots is scum. As annoying as it is to say, I think we need to wait for the replacements and not make any hasty decisions. We have a severe advantage right now, but we still have to be careful. We have two weeks to sort this out before we have to decide on a lynch, so that's plenty of time.

My bets are on qwertyuiop's slot being scum, but we'll see.

Is it 4 or 5 votes to lynch with 8 remaining?

Pahlok · Post Post #388 (isolation #98) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:05 am

Actually, we have three players requesting replacement and one who hasn't responded to a prod.

Blech.

Pahlok · Post Post #390 (isolation #99) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:08 pm

This is a really touchy setup. We can't just start lynching to weed out the scum. It's too dangerous. If we accidentally lynch VT's, the last scum could shoot the last two masons and completely turn the tables on us. That would be super embarrassing as well as disappointing.

Pahlok · Post Post #391 (isolation #100) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:33 pm

Mod: Can we please get a timer for the day? And is it 4 or 5 votes to lynch?

Pahlok · Post Post #393 (isolation #101) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:27 pm

I'm fairly confident that BBob is town.

I'd like to think you and Klick are, but I'm not as certain.

Pahlok · Post Post #397 (isolation #102) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:36 pm

Haha, what? Have you even been paying attention to Darthe, or are you just handing him a town card for attendance?

My interpretation of his 13 post ISO:

Spoiler: clue

So, as you can see, he's been deflecting, ignoring, and avoiding, and he's been sliding by on that this whole time. Feel free to read his ISO and (non)interactions with others yourself if you believe I'm misrepresenting anything.

Pahlok · Post Post #398 (isolation #103) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:50 pm

Though, to be fair, I suppose his read on poppedeye in his reads post counts as explanation enough for his vote in the next post, so null there.

Pahlok · Post Post #400 (isolation #104) » Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:15 pm

Oh, really? Gosh, all that convincing you did sure changed my mind! How could I have ever thought otherwise? Thank you for clearing that up for me.

e_e

Pahlok · Post Post #402 (isolation #105) » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:22 am

Ohhh. Ooohhh. Oh. I get it I think.

Pahlok · Post Post #407 (isolation #106) » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:35 am

The five of us seem to be in the general consensus that qwertyuiop is scum. Should we just go through with it, or keep waiting for replacements? It's not like we're in a crunch for time, so it can't hurt to wait.

Pahlok · Post Post #409 (isolation #107) » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:44 am

Looks like that answers my question! I'm going to go ahead and VOTE: JacobSavage and see what everyone has to say.

Pahlok · Post Post #410 (isolation #108) » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:47 am

PS that puts JacobSavage at L-1. PLEASE do not just drop the hammer, ESPECIALLY before the replacements catch up. If you intend to hammer, STATE YOUR INTENT TO HAMMER.

Pahlok · Post Post #421 (isolation #109) » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:14 am

BBob, you are my favorite. One million town points to BBob.

Pahlok · Post Post #429 (isolation #110) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:07 am

UNVOTE: JacobSavage
I got what I wanted from putting him at L-1.

Pahlok · Post Post #431 (isolation #111) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:31 am

You chose to replace into this game. Don't bitch and moan about it if things don't go your way.

Pahlok · Post Post #433 (isolation #112) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:16 am

Who knew I would meet someone I personally like less than Wake in the very same game?

I'm not sure what you're meaning about an auto win. Nothing is guaranteed right now. The last scum has a very real chance of winning if we mislynch a few times and they shoot the two remaining masons.

I don't really give to shits if you're pissed or not if you end up getting lynched. If I think you're scum, I'm going to vote for you, and if that leads to your lynch, then so be it. You're not warding me (and hopefully not anyone else) from considering lynching you just because of your vitriolic nature.

Now finish reading the game and make some actual posts.

Pahlok · Post Post #434 (isolation #113) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:16 am

Pahlok · Post Post #441 (isolation #114) » Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:51 am

I get the feeling that if Kuribo was scum, he'd have shot someone just to get it over with.

Can't wait for him to catch up and realize what BBob did haha.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Pahlok · Post Post #445 (isolation #115) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:09 am

Everyone else reads fairly town for me, especially BBob. My vote lies between you and SleepyKrew, but since I don't want to put you at L-1 again just yet, SleepyKrew is my choice. Running competing wagons on you two will help town make a better decision on which (if either of you) is scum.

Pahlok · Post Post #447 (isolation #116) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:04 am

I get the feeling he was just trying to avoid a prod while he catches up, but okay.

Pahlok · Post Post #464 (isolation #117) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:54 am

I know that breadcrumbing doesn't confirm a claim. I crumbed it as soon as I realized shit was going to get stupid with Wake because it confirmed I wasn't changing my mind in the moment. I even made numerous references to the crumb in hopes tha he would see it and realize without alerting scum because I knew he was town. I thought Darthe saw it and voted me, which is why I jumped on him immediately afterwards saying he's either dumb or scum.

I ended up claiming because Wake had me really fired up and I couldn't sleep because he just made me so mad. I was worried he'd try to get me lynched before I could wake up and say anything. I intended to claim at L-1 despite saying I'd wait for death. I just didn't want to say it because then people (particularly scum) would pile on me to force a claim. I rode it out as far as I could, and I was so fed up with the game and Wake at that point that I just didn't even care anymore. If I hadn't claimed, he was going to ride my wagon straight to my grave, and I couldn't guarantee that I could stop it in time, especially if scum made the hammer. I'm more useful late game than lynched on day one. I wanted him to get off of me so I could use my role to trick scum into shooting me, but the more obvious he made it that he was a mason and the harder he rode me, the harder it was for me to do that. Eventually it just didn't even matter anymore.

As far as buddying Sakura, I thought that her, Flammus, and Poppedeye were the other masons because I thought Wake was dumb and ballsy enough to reveal the actual masons and double bluff across the board. After the first flip, I realized he was probably giving his scumreads to his fellow masons.

I thought the Darthe wagon was a little strange too, but I was so sure that BBob was town that I was willing to sheep him on it because it seemed like he had a plan. It got interrupted by an overzealous Flammus, but that's probably the best possible way it could have turned out. I don't think anyone could have seen that coming though.

Pahlok · Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:16 pm

Second flip I meant. After Flammus flipped.

Pahlok · Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:39 pm

Read above^

Pahlok · Post Post #472 (isolation #120) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:09 pm

I mean, if the actual masons claim, that'll slim the pickings for the rest of town plus the information gained by two flips. That'd leave it at 1 scum and five townies if we do it before any potential mislynches, which would be better chances than if we were to mislynch VTs a few times and they got shot later. Plus with two alive right now, they can confirm each other.

...

Would my mason partner like to confirm me?

Pahlok · Post Post #474 (isolation #121) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:24 pm

The point is to get shot. Right now I'm a scummy distraction, and my flip holds a lot of info. Yours not so much, but it's a noble sacrifice. Like I said, it'll make things easier for the remaining 5 VT's.

Pahlok · Post Post #476 (isolation #122) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:33 pm

It doesn't really matter which of us dies first. But this all does tie back into the question that was brought up at the brginning of the game. Why don't all the masons claim? The answer is because it'd go straight to LYLO. But that's not the case anymore.

Pahlok · Post Post #480 (isolation #123) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:57 pm

Well, I didn't really expect Kuribo to pretend to be my mason partner when you really are, SleepyKrew. But I feel like he's more likely a VT than scum so I was hoping scum would shoot him first or shoot us both.

Pahlok · Post Post #481 (isolation #124) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:57 pm

UNVOTE: SleepyKrew

Pahlok · Post Post #483 (isolation #125) » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:28 pm

Looks like TCold is due for a prod.

Pahlok · Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:47 pm

I honestly didn't expect that to work. o.o

Pahlok · Post Post #500 (isolation #127) » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:16 pm

Thanks for backing me on my mason claim. I was kind of banking on your townreads on me to pull through. Even if that's not what killed Jacob, it was still pretty sweet in my opinion.

BBob is now officially my MafiaScum sempai.

Pahlok · Post Post #502 (isolation #128) » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:30 pm

Pahlok, if you're reading this buddy I apologize for giving you those ulcers. I thought I was on to something, lol.

Shh, it's okay now. Looking back on it, I was being an irrational emotional baby, and I could and should have handled it better. And I will try to in the future. I was furious at the time, but I came to appreciate the information you left behind (even if I was wrong about the intent of your mason outing post TWICE haha).

No hard feelings, man. It's a game and I can suck it up.

As far as my exceptionally scummy play all game, it was probably the combined result of two things. A: Poor coincidences. And B: Being town, I'm not worried about looking town. I don't mind doing something that others might see as scummy if it means making the play I want to make. Especially when I can explain my exact intent. If I flip, that's a hot mess of clear info to be had, and if I don't then I can keep on keeping on.

Pahlok · Post Post #508 (isolation #129) » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:16 pm

I can't believe Jacob actually tried to shoot me. o.o I'm like really proud of that play now.

And apologies to you too, Wake. I was being a butt too.

Pahlok · Post Post #514 (isolation #130) » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:58 am

Just for the record, my reaction to that was 100% genuine haha. I understood the setup to an extent, but for some reason I hadn't grasped the idea of fakeclaiming (or pretending to fakeclaim). That's why I got really embarrassed and grouchy about the game because I felt dumb.