Open 534 - Killing at the Frat (Day 5)

[BoroPhil]

VOTE: notscience

pretend wagons are scummy

[BoroPhil]

I recognise you Wake. and Ms Marangal, but the others are alien to me.

[BoroPhil]

yeah, very briefly I think. you might have replaced in/out a game I played.

[BoroPhil]

doesn't notscience's count? if you jumped on, he would have 3?

[BoroPhil]

doesn't notscience's count?

if

you jumped on, he would have 3?

Look at bold. Look at my vote. Look at last comment.

I'm afraid you are going to have to explain this one

[BoroPhil]

doesn't notscience's count?

if

you jumped on, he would have 3?

Look at bold. Look at my vote. Look at last comment.

I'm afraid you are going to have to explain this one

Would it appear I'm jumping on Notscience's.

hang on.

you expressed disappointment at the lack of a counter-wagon
yet one was available to you
if you were so disappointed, why didn't you jump on it?

[BoroPhil]

I'm more concerned about bubba wanting a nacho counter wagon, then he not jumping on ns to create a counter wagon himself, so i decided to try a counter wagon on him instead.

I see where confusion came, and I'll answer this post

doesn't notscience's count?

if

you jumped on, he would have 3?

Look at bold. Look at my vote. Look at last comment.

I'm afraid you are going to have to explain this one

Would it appear I'm jumping on Notscience's.

hang on.

you expressed disappointment at the lack of a counter-wagon
yet one was available to you
if you were so disappointed, why didn't you jump on it?

In hopes to answer you.

My counter-wagon was startsfromthehearts, the first person to vote Nacho. I see now that notscience was the 2nd on, sakura 3rd, Mario4 4th.

THEN I voted startsfromthehearts.

That's 4 on Nacho, 2 on not. So sure not was there, but Not was asking what an either-or fallacy was, so I wasn't going to vote him when he's asking me to explain my vote in RVS. And I honestly don't like startsfromthehearts continued badly drawn reasons for voting Nacho (granted it is RVS, but instead of helping he's just posting memes.)

right. so you are quite defensive of not, even at this early stage. interesting.

[BoroPhil]

I can't really say that being defensive is a hard scum tell, but it can be. Last game I got in trouble for being overly defensive but I wasn't scum. But considering the mafia needs to make sure people think they're town, it can be an indicator as well.

yes, but defending someone else for no real reason at this stage is quite interesting

[BoroPhil]

right. so you are quite defensive of not, even at this early stage. interesting.

I'm sorry but I don't feel like I'm "defending him" I just said I'm not jumping on his "wagon" and gave reasons as to why I was not jumping on his wagon. I did not give reasons to get off his wagon, nor did I try to convince people not to vote him. I gave my reasons for not voting him at this current time, and you can take it as you will.

Alright, time to start playing.

Defensiveness, as you know, is not always indicative of guilt my friend.

In fact, aggression, like defensiveness, are neutral behaviors.

The eternal ordeal is discovering the intentions behind them.

Finally something actually contributing. (sort of) None the less, you haven't been aggressive, or defensive, so why point out they are neutral?

I can't really say that being defensive is a hard scum tell, but it can be. Last game I got in trouble for being overly defensive but I wasn't scum. But considering the mafia needs to make sure people think they're town, it can be an indicator as well.

yes, but defending someone else for no real reason at this stage is quite interesting

Not was asking what an either-or fallacy was, so I wasn't going to vote him when he's asking me to explain my vote in RVS.

I'm sorry is this not a real reason? Really you'd make a better argument to say I'm defending Nacho.

More interesting reactions...

[BoroPhil]

oh i dunno mostly cuz i forgot i was voting the guy i'm voting

You're voting Wake and he has a scum role pm and needs to die

Nacho isn't even voting anyone.

Just went to check. MM is correct. Which would explain how Nacho "forgot who he was voting". the question is why is notscience pushing Wake? And saying that Nacho is voting him when he's not.

@Boro: You want to give reasons besides just saying it's "interesting?" -_-

It all seems a bit fake. You bemoan the lack of a counterwagon, despite one being there, then when one is pointed out to you, you come up with some anti-reasons. now you bring out a barrage of smileys.

not convinced at all.

[BoroPhil]

I swear I posted something earlier. not and bubba are still scum.

[BoroPhil]

Welcome ETL! Who is Marcrell?

I am a relatively new player who has played two games on the site before and may be a bit overconfident in how much I think I know about the game. I'm not sure.

I like to hear it!

I swear I posted something earlier. not and bubba are still scum.

Your case is great.

Good enough for me!

Unvote
Vote: ETL

When we are positing actual reasons on everybody else, gut suffices?

if you are implying that is my case, you are obviously forgetting our earlier interactions. or not forgetting them as the case may be.

[BoroPhil]

can we just end today now please? no point dragging it out

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bubbajack

[BoroPhil]

VOTE: notscience

[BoroPhil]

would anyone agree with the hypothesis that those you make most noise early on day one are likely town?

[BoroPhil]

Boro's last three posts I don't like, I finally skimmed the game once

First one asks us to end the day ASAP (paraphrase) by lynching bubba

Second is a vote ns, third asks us if we agree that those who make the most noise d1 are town

I'll be here around the clock Mon. to Wed. Nights if anyone would like to talk

Love, Bert

Vote: Borophil

Kaboom. Oh and low hanging fruit wagons don't smell good ATM with ns and ETL wagons being such

/phone post

oh, what a cliched, lazy vote. are you trying to rise to the top of my scum list?

[BoroPhil]

in fact have a big OMGUS

UNVOTE:
VOTE: startfromtheheart

[BoroPhil]

in fact have a big OMGUS

UNVOTE:
VOTE: startfromtheheart

I noticed you didn't try to rebute it. Do you not have an answer to the points?

what exactly needs rebutting? what was contradictory about what I said?

[BoroPhil]

well wtf happened here

[BoroPhil]

Alright I finished my reread. I didn't come to any earth-shattering conclusions and I still like my vote so I'll just give some thoughts on the players.

Nacho: I still like him for town based on the early wagon on him. His play here feels very different from how he's been before, but every time I play with Nacho he feels like a different player. For the most part his reads lists look solid. Don't agree about Sakura though.

Startfromtheheart: He's playing a very loosey goosey game and that's making him hard to read. His recent Boro vote is solid though I think. He's someone to watch but not a high priority at the moment.

REGINA+: 51 is still the scummiest post in the game to me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Wake

I like thinking of him as scum. It makes sense. The argument is less confusing, at least.

This is REGINA's current vote, or at least it would be if it counted. I don't know what kind of town mindset votes for people because they like the idea of them being scum. Also based on this I think REGINA and Sound of Silence aren't partners.

notscience/Sound of Silence: My view on these slots is muddied by the long argument between notsience/ETL. It usually takes a few rereads and possibly a couple of flips for me to get a handle on fights like that. Neither is a priority right now though. Wake's posts felt slightly scummy, but some of ETL's early defense felt like town. Notscience I think is overestimating his cases, and it's a conveniently simplistic view of the game to have townreads on everyone but the lurkers.

marcrell: To be honest I'm not getting much out of this guy. Mostly of the things he talks about are pretty irrelevant. He seems allergic to taking any kind of stance, which can be a bad sign. He's still on his RVS vote.

mario4: Not much here at all. A vote without explanation (303) I think is scummy. I'm usually more tempted to make a vote like that as scum. Need more info.

bubbajack8: Even though he's one of the more active posters, nothing much from him stands out either way. One thing:

Another reason for no pressure on lurkers. Doesn't want newbie flail. I think that NS doesn't want to pressure the lurkers because his scum buddy is a lurker. I'd also like to say I think it's a new person. As he's worried about newbie flail. It's one thing to be worried about mislynching someone, but to just worry about newbie flail is sad.

Normally I'd call complicated "conspiracy theories" like this town, but this one feels off. While reading notscience's post I imagined this exact argument as one scum could use against him.

Ms. Marangal: One the players almost entirely focused on Nacho. Maybe even worse that Sakura in that respect. At least the pressure she's giving doesn't seem to be as flimsy as Sakura's. Reads on some others please.

Borophil: His early "counterwagon" case on Bubba is bad and can of hard to believe. He's made several posts that are just bizarre. 244, 301, and 328 fall into that category. He also failed to answer the question I asked him in 259.

Neonizer: Still seems town. His posts are short, but he's looking beyond the surface level. His concern of others' townread on him is town. Scum are more likely to just roll with those townreads rather than worry about the motivation behind them.

Sakura Hana: Very fake vote on Nacho as I've pointed out. She declares Nacho scum for not voting, but then sheeps him as soon as he gives a gut vote, one no one should find compelling enough to sheep. How serious are we supposed to take her vote on Nacho? I don't really have anything new to say about Sakura, but it's worth repeating.

Top three scumreads: REGINA, Sakura, Boro.

posturing really.

[BoroPhil]

you can lynch me for being lazy if you like, but I'd hardly be the only one you could accuse of that, and that's all you would be doing.

I'm pretty happy with my earlier reads on notscience/bubba and think we should probably lynch one of them. Other than that, anyone targetting me is looking for an easy lynch.

ETL was town all along. Obvious to anyone.

[BoroPhil]

bubba, I think by distancing they mean that by attacking each other we are scum making it look like we aren't on the same side

[BoroPhil]

bubba, I think by distancing they mean that by attacking each other we are scum making it look like we aren't on the same side

Who is "they"? Has more than one player made that argument?

North-east England dialect.

Is that why you are voting for me?

[BoroPhil]

quick reads

leaning scum
notiscience
start
bubba

Null
Marcrell
Mario
Regina
neo

leaning town
Dry
nacho
Marangal
Sakura
ETL

[BoroPhil]

who's we? are you speaking for more than one player?

[BoroPhil]

and also, you might want to put some reasons alongside your vote. this is generally helpful.

[BoroPhil]

yeah, I was joking with you.

I meant I was posturing when I said we should end the day now and just lynch bubbjack. This was the question I failed to answer at 259 which he flagged up.

[BoroPhil]

You should feel really bad about your reads then. Unless you are scum ofc.

Why is regina scum?

and I can't see what notscience has done at all to make you think they are town.

in fact that's a pretty hideous list of reads. Jester sounds apt.

[BoroPhil]

in fact have a big OMGUS

UNVOTE:
VOTE: startfromtheheart

I noticed you didn't try to rebute it. Do you not have an answer to the points?

what exactly needs rebutting? what was contradictory about what I said?

I mean you didn't say anything about how he analyzed your posts. You just called the vote lazy and stupid. That can technically be counted as rebutting it, but without much besides calling it lazy and stupid it isn't much of one.

this is what he said:

First one asks us to end the day ASAP (paraphrase) by lynching bubba

Second is a vote ns, third asks us if we agree that those who make the most noise d1 are town

and that was his reasoning for voting me. are these good reasons to you?

lynching bubba? I think that's a good idea. why doesn't he tell me why it isn't if it's bad.
voting notscience. again, I think that's a good idea. why doesn't he tell me why it isn't if it's bad
are those who make most noise d1 town? valid question. if not, why not.

what's not to like about those 3 posts?

[BoroPhil]

you have encouraged me to make a bit more effort here anyway SoS, so thanks for that. this was drifting along somewhat.

[BoroPhil]

Regina's vote for bubba at #100 was fine. Bubba's response to being questioned was to throw out a few smileys. scumcity.

[BoroPhil]

well wtf happened here

Quoting someone who smells werewolfy.

Loads of pages not enouhg substance.

Don't like mara atm which is weird to say

I like ETLs replace out because before that I have sneaky suspicion him and NS were scum.

Now I think Hi two townies.

and what makes you so sure neonizer is town?

they don't seem to have done a lot, and the bottom of this is bizarre.

before ETL replaced out, ETL/NS were scum.

now they are both town.

what?

[BoroPhil]

and as for bubba, did you manage to read the first few pages?

[BoroPhil]

bubba, I think by distancing they mean that by attacking each other we are scum making it look like we aren't on the same side

Who is "they"? Has more than one player made that argument?

Maybe he was to lazy to see who was making the argument.

who's we? are you speaking for more than one player?

SoundsofSilence is a hydra between GiF and ffery

Regina's vote for bubba at #100 was fine. Bubba's response to being questioned was to throw out a few smileys. scumcity.

@Boro: You want to give reasons besides just saying it's "interesting?" -_-

Actually my smileys were directed toward you, and your lack of questions.

and as for bubba, did you manage to read the first few pages?

I read every page in a frenzy of catch-up last night. I could mostly follow bubba's reasoning. GiF has played with bubba and has a light town meta read to go along with our impressions from this game.

GiF's played with me ALOT.

bert's town
sos is town
#easymode

Why is SoS town Nacho

I really really really really really think they're scum

(continues Death tunnel)

You are stating obvious things here or being deliberately obtuse. The hydra thing has already been explained. regina's vote was linked to your smileys, which I know were directed at me, we've discussed it.

[BoroPhil]

dryfit, I find it interesting that you called me town early on, but not seem to be getting pissy with me for quoting an entire post of yours. bit strange.

[BoroPhil]

Mario is just an easy vote. No way of knowing whatsoever if he is scum/town. but I do imagine scum would be keen to get on it.

[BoroPhil]

and of the people on it, I'd say neonizer is the most likely scum. there is time for a counter wagon.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: neonizer

[BoroPhil]

possibly. but it's something that can be easily explained away tomorrow, ah well he was inactive so he deserved it

[BoroPhil]

too scummy to be scum doesn't exist. if I'm scummy, vote for me. again start, this is just noise.

[BoroPhil]

eh, has marquis replaced regina?

[BoroPhil]

ok then. ta

[BoroPhil]

oh i dunno mostly cuz i forgot i was voting the guy i'm voting

You're voting Wake and he has a scum role pm and needs to die

Nacho isn't even voting anyone.

Just went to check. MM is correct. Which would explain how Nacho "forgot who he was voting". the question is why is notscience pushing Wake? And saying that Nacho is voting him when he's not.

@Boro: You want to give reasons besides just saying it's "interesting?" -_-

I don't quite like this post at all

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bubbajack8

this vote is surely linked to your smileys?

having said that, I quite like your last post.

[BoroPhil]

and I think you emphasise my point on startfromtheheart. he did vote for me earlier, but there was no sound reasoning behind it and now he flipflops around. why not stick on me if he is so sure?

[BoroPhil]

tbqh there was a bit of humour behind my omgus. Surely stating it was an omgus at that stage makes that apparent?

I've been disinterested for most of this day, I'm not alone in that. It's been very quiet, I was also amazed that the deadline was now.

Your vote on me was basically based on 3 random statements with zero analysis.

I wanted bubba lynched. so why not a quick one?

notscience was acting anti-town. so why not scum, why not a lynch?

and the third one was a genuine question - why would you have a problem with that exactly?

you are basically just trying to sound town

[BoroPhil]

If I think bubba is scum, it doesn't really matter whether the day ends after 1 hour or 1 month. not wanting a quick lynch is a MASSIVE cliche round here. a good lynch is a good lynch, regardless of the time it takes

[BoroPhil]

and anyone spouting cliches should be placed on a massive SCUMwatch

[BoroPhil]

I think an omgus stated as an omgus makes it a negative omgus multiplied by a negative omgus equals a nonomgus

it was really quiet up until then, I will assume you realised I meant that and just wanted clarification rather than trying to misrep me

[BoroPhil]

I honestly find it baffling that you think the bolded bit is wrong

[BoroPhil]

@sfth

[BoroPhil]

this is pretty horrible. I don't think marquis or mario are good options unless we just want a flip for the sake of it.

of the leading wagons I'd prefer to switch to notscience but that is clouded by bubba being on it.

best of the bad options though I think.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: notscience

[BoroPhil]

trying to be friendly now start? I still think you are scummy.

not as much as bubba or neonizer though granted.

not sure on notscience, and I wonder if SoS now regrets not hammering? certainly potential for a good double-bluff there?

[BoroPhil]

Town

Marcrell
Dry-Fit
startfromtheheart
Nachomamma8
notscience
Neonizer

Lean Town

Sakura Hana
bubbajack

Null

Mario4
Ms Marangal

Scum

Regina
Borophil

Jester

Sound of Silence

SOS's reads earler on D1 for reference.

[BoroPhil]

you will probably want to click the 'spoiler' button on 751

[BoroPhil]

VOTE: neonizer

[BoroPhil]

I don't get why thats the rules. Every time i have played this game you don't need a majority you just need one guy with the most votes. but whatever I guess it technically helps us out.

why does it help us out?

[BoroPhil]

does anyone want to think about why SoS was the target? That is good information we have to use. Was it because they were obviously town? Or on to something? Or a double-bluff? Thoughts, please.

[BoroPhil]

neo, try reading back through the thread, I've explained my reasons for you, bubba and start. that's why you are my top three and possibly bar not I can't really see my vote moving elsewhere today.

What, you aren't reading the thead properly because you are scum? Oh, sorry about that.

not sure what Dry's game is, and whilst I think I admitted I was a bit surprised by the deadline arrival, I actually tried to get a lynch on someone I wasn't convinced on (notscience) to try and stop a no lynch. So, your vote is frankly baffling.

I think you are town, but town having a bad game. I suggest you have another think and try and improve.

[BoroPhil]

you missed out #618, which links to #619. again, try actually reading the whole thread like someone who was TOWN would do, rather than just search for your name lazily like someone who is SCUM would do

[BoroPhil]

don't worry, I won't take that personally. I'll keep you right.

start - isn't most things in this game WIFOM-y? Are you suggesting we just act as if the NK didn't happen?

[BoroPhil]

Mario is just an easy vote. No way of knowing whatsoever if he is scum/town. but I do imagine scum would be keen to get on it.

and of the people on it, I'd say neonizer is the most likely scum. there is time for a counter wagon.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: neonizer

Hahahaha phil no. I didnt miss out 618 that's what I meant when I said your closest is explanation is most likely scum. That's not an explanation as to why out of all those people on that easy vote I am most likely scum. So you are calling me lazy. While you still haven't actually come up for a reason why I am scum. You've come up with a theory of a group if people contains scum and I am most likely.

VOTE: borophil

being on that vote is good enough reason for me. you are trying and failing to turn this into a battle of semantics which is classic scum misrepping behaviour. thanks though for reassuring me that my vote is in the right place.

[BoroPhil]

btw neo, you never answered start's admittedly useful question at 751.

[BoroPhil]

notscience, you are very quiet today considering you were the main player yesterday along with SoS and almost got lynched. why mario?

[BoroPhil]

and this scum meta is? Please enlighten us.

[BoroPhil]

well wtf happened here

Quoting someone who smells werewolfy.

Loads of pages not enouhg substance.

Don't like mara atm which is weird to say

I like ETLs replace out because before that I have sneaky suspicion him and NS were scum.

Now I think Hi two townies.

and I think this was the reason you seemed the scummiest of those on that particular wagon. It was a bizarre post which you never fully explained.

What on earth did the 4th and 5th lines mean?

[BoroPhil]

and here are the people on that wagon (in reverse order unfortunately)

There was a deadline? O.o
>Totally forgot that deadline exists

For some reason I totally forgot about the deadline as well

Don't think Im gonna get any more reactions out of my vote on Bert so...

Unvote
Vote: Mario

Would have preferred Marquis or Boro though.

This is interesting I thought you'd have preferred me considering how much you had been questioning me on my sheeping.

Well Mario is pretty much the ideal compromise deadline lynch. Would have preferred Marquis or Boro though.

Unvote.
Vote: Mario4.

I don't have a serious suspicion. I'll
UNVOTE: Dry-Fit
But I'm still working on developing reads and the fact that I am rather limited on time right now is keeping me from rereading and doing it right now.

We're in deadline lynch mode here. It's not about making cases at this point but choosing the lynch of those that are possible that you prefer. In this case I don't know if there are any feasible lynches besides Mario. Maybe Marquis.

I also want to remind everyone at this point that BROseidon requires votes to be on their own line. Everyone's vote needs to be counting right now.

UNVOTE

VOTE: Mario4

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

go nacho

VOTE: mario4

cos I love nacho and he loves me

Vote: Mario4

omfg this read is gold gold gold

you talk about people attaching themselves, but what exactly are you doing here? it's such blatant bandwagoning it's untrue.

and if my buddies are on this wagon, who would you be referring to?

[BoroPhil]

yeah dry probably needs to explain that one.

a lot of people are making noise in this thread without actually backing up their actions. noise and no action is a bad combination.

[BoroPhil]

Seriously phil saying someone is the scummiest isn't a reason. Give me a reason for why you thought I was scummiest. You call me lazy but you are just fluff and no content.

That's not attaching. You are so blatantly going for me with no real reasoning that it's coming across as bussing. So that if you flip scum your buddies get a mislynch of me through your attachment to me

I've explained it enough now. I know you don't like it because you are scum but I'm not going round in circles with you. I'll leave it to the others to decide who is scummiest.

and I'll ask again:

what is this scum meta you think you have noticed
which of my scumbuddies were on this mario wagon

you talk about fluff, yet the irony is you are zero content yourself. it's all noise.

[BoroPhil]

considering how a few people were all like "yeah that read doesn't matter cuz we're lynching marquis anyway today" i found it concerning

yeah dry probably needs to explain that one.

a lot of people are making noise in this thread without actually backing up their actions. noise and no action is a bad combination.

That's my feeling about the state of the town right now. I think Marquis will end up getting lynched. I've expressed suspicion of him the whole game so I don't know what you want me to explain.

Here's a bonus though:

what
the
fuck

This feels very fake.

my point was (and marquis's as well I think) was that you seemed to be saying I was a better lynch but you were resigned to lynching marquis. which seemed odd considering the time left.

[BoroPhil]

and neo, what?

let me get this straight. I'm sacrificing myself so we can get a mislynch of you tomorrow? Do you realise how preposterous a defence that is?

[BoroPhil]

are you going to answer my questions?

[BoroPhil]

start asked it as well, so do you not answer anyone's questions?

can everyone else please explain to me why you are not voting neo?

[BoroPhil]

Neo - want to expand on that?

Again, I have explained. you aren't reading or are choosing to pretend you aren't. It's nothing to do with liking, I've obviously caught you out on something you didn't expect to be caught out on.

Bubba - apologies if I am boring you. fancy doing some scum hunting yourself instead of criticising other people's? or maybe you don't want to because you and neo are scum together?

You've decided Sakura is town. well done you.

[BoroPhil]

so start is an alt of a hydra but isn't a hydra here?

[BoroPhil]

does anyone else need me to explain why I'm voting for neo or is it obvious?

[BoroPhil]

well there was an element of process of elimination to it I have to admit.

There was certainly something doggy about the whole Mario wagon, Sakura/Dry got on it later perhaps in an effort to get any sort of lynch, but I was/am pretty happy they are town and I'm happy to go with the rationale of any lynch being better than none, particularly on D1.

I was happy ETL was town, so again no problem with SoS, although his motivations were less clear.

So we have neo and nacho.

Nacho started it, which seemed a bit of an odd move for scum at this stage, although odd seems an apt way to sum up nacho. I assume he is some sort of figure round here based on his join date and all the nacccccchhhhhhhhhhoooooooo stuff that keeps going on.

Which brings us to neo.

2nd vote on, follows this nachooooo rubbish.

he'd also just posted a really strange #538, which I explained and asked about again earlier, yet received no response. we talk about no substance, yet we have a post about 'werewolfiness' followed by some unintelligible drivel about ETL.

looking back as well, what is interesting is at #192 neo pulls up nacho's 109 about listing him as town. yet with no response to this, 10 posts later neo is typing 'go nachooooooooooo' and following his vote.

does this not strike people as odd? scum with a capital S.

[BoroPhil]

upset that boro isn't even considering the possibility of my lynch. pay attention to me please

give me some reasons to lynch you? I'm unaware of metas or reputations

[BoroPhil]

Because he knows notscience and I are both town and pasted a town perspective to the end of that? It's much too easy of a slip but it's one I really would like to be true.

VOTE: Mario4

As far as I'm concerned, one of notscience and Mario4 is scum. I'm leaning notscience just because he's too composed for my liking this game, but for now I'm with Nacho.

don't particularly like this, as I didn't like the mario wagon yesterday. I also still think not is scum so you are leaning the wrong way. Another one with nacho, think I missed this before.

Can anyone NOT with nacho state this as well please? ta.

Is this vote a good reason for a marquis wagon?

Vote: Marquis

Marquis votes mario, mario votes marquis.

Mara if you're town you should be able to read the meta here and if you're scum then here's your chance to bus for towncred.

this is shitty, and a really weird appeal

Because he knows notscience and I are both town and pasted a town perspective to the end of that? It's much too easy of a slip but it's one I really would like to be true.

VOTE: Mario4

As far as I'm concerned, one of notscience and Mario4 is scum. I'm leaning notscience just because he's too composed for my liking this game, but for now I'm with Nacho.

and then he posts this as a possible explanation as to why Mario said what he said?

WHY. You've said "Nacho's scum" quite a few times, reasons please

I've explained this, when Ffery asked

but then, I rarely like Nacho and Ffery can read him better than I can. Her being dead, and flipping town is enough for me to leave him alone for the time being.

VOTE: Marquis

But you're right this is boring now. You aren't going anywhere other than saying someone is scummy cos they were on a wagon so.....

Next task

Is Neo one of your buddies, Marquis?

i was going to make a cheeky response about shirtless male models but then got distracted googling dave franco shirtless @_@

as for the question you're asking for i'm pretty sure i got to everything already

pedit mara i don't think i've ever seen you go that far with this-is-town-viewpoint-conf-bias before.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mara

I don't particularly like marangal today though (strangely because she flagged neo up as possible scum, it just seemed a bit out of context) and I quite like this vote. ergo I don't think a vote on you is good at this stage. I'm prepared to give Mario the benefit of the doubt as I think he is semi-uninterested town but this vote jumps out at me.

Unvote
Vote: Marquis

explanation needed here?

overall I think my scum read on start has backed off a bit, bubba is still up there along with marangal/neo.

what do

you

think of your wagon marquis?

[BoroPhil]

Nacho certainly falls into the must be lynched at some stage category. is he always like this?

[BoroPhil]

what are the chances of neither marquis or mario being scum? reasonably high? have you both considered maybe you should be looking elsewhere?

[BoroPhil]

I think I'd prefer nacho to Mara and just get it over with. Mara seems to be agreeing with me and that makes me uneasy, but then if she is town I don't particularly want to lynch her and what would be pretty much a hunch.

If Nacho is being odd though, wouldn't that be too obvious? Surely he isn't just odd every time he is scum.

[BoroPhil]

thoughts on Marcrell? He's pretty much drifting through the game and 949 seemed a bit contrived, while his earlier 924 was classic scum 'oh I'm so confused'

[BoroPhil]

I like your scum list, oddly bar mario. Swap mario for neo and I'd be going nachooooooooooooo yeahhhhhhhhhh as well.

have you had a personality transplant in the last day or so though, you seem to have totally changed? just after people were flagging you for being odd?

[BoroPhil]

oh, what a cliched, lazy vote. are you trying to rise to the top of my scum list?

How was the vote cliched?

posturing really.

I don't like how you dismiss an entire reads list as "posturing".

you have encouraged me to make a bit more effort here anyway SoS, so thanks for that. this was drifting along somewhat.

Kinda liked this, not sure why. Clear motive for the kill, though.

too scummy to be scum doesn't exist. if I'm scummy, vote for me. again start, this is just noise.

I liked this response to Bert. This was something that could have been easily ignored.

seems legit

cliched because he seemed to be picking on me for 'wanting to end the day early' and this is a big mafiscum cliche.

'posturing' was my response to Dry's question, not his post.

[BoroPhil]

and bubba is simply trying to tag onto you here nacho.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bubba

[BoroPhil]

and bubba is simply trying to tag onto you here nacho.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bubba

Yes because after I've been attacked, I cling to people. OH wait. I never clinged to you... Awkward. Am I not allowed to be impressed with a read. I said I didn't like one of his reads, but I'm "clinnging to him" Suuure.

Do you see anything wrong with the Mario read, or are you trying to defend your scumbuddy?

And wait till Sakura sees this. Wonder if she'll say the same thing about me voting her as this.

I didn't say you did it all the time, I said it looked like you were on this occasion.

[BoroPhil]

Boro has done that repeatedly.

you've lost me now.

[BoroPhil]

Bro, I'm voting for Bubba and Marangal is on Neo

fixed, thank you

[BoroPhil]

Bro, I'm voting for Bubba and Marangal is on Neo

fixed, thank you

you still have me on Mario, Bro!

I moved Dry-Fit's vote instead of yours because I'm an idiot. Fixing it again

[BoroPhil]

Marcrell is a big target for me here, I'm surprised no-one else thinks this. drifts through the game, then sticks a vote down on the big wagon of the day?

[BoroPhil]

I'd put my house on one of them being scum

[BoroPhil]

Do you think going on the big wagon for the day is often a scum tell phil?

Depends on the wagon. In this case it strikes me as an easy option.


you?

[BoroPhil]

hopes Slandaar's first post is a big list of reads

[BoroPhil]

This is very disappointing.

[BoroPhil]

we are ludicrously drifting towards another no lynch here again, no-one seems particularly bothered about picking the pace up.

[BoroPhil]

TOWN
Nacho
Sakura

LEANING TOWN
Mario
Marquis
Dry

IN THE MIDDLE
Not
Start

LEANING SCUM
Marangal/Neo (only 1 of these is scum)

MOST LIKELY SCUM
Bubba
Marcrell

I wouldn't say I'm confident of any of those reads though, Nacho has gone to the top on basically a few good recent posts which probably shows the lack of anything decent in this game so far. Sakura is there more out of PoE than anything, which is probably the opposite of the way I like to do things, which is find town and then work backwards to find scum. But no-one is obviously town in this.

[BoroPhil]

not a lot really, PoE more than anything. he could have been lurking scum, but disinterested town seems more likely and the replacing out seems to back that up a bit. picked up a nice wagon, no doubt an easy target

[BoroPhil]

what exactly are you concluding from that ISO?

[BoroPhil]

That he's actually trying, he did not try here at all like on a newbie game where me, Bert and ns were part of and he replaced out of too, he was scum on said newbie game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31510

that's fine, but surely the fact he has replaced out makes your point moot?

if he was still in the game, you might have a point but as he is gone it could just as easily be lack of interest. not a reason to lynch someone

[BoroPhil]

it's a bad lynch today. it's basically a lynch on inaction rather than action and [bubba, MArcrell, Marangal, Neo] are more worthy at this stage. keep Slander in mind by all means, but it's a punt at best today

[BoroPhil]

it's a bad lynch today. it's basically a lynch on inaction rather than action and [bubba, MArcrell, Marangal, Neo] are more worthy at this stage. keep Slander in mind by all means, but it's a punt at best today

So I'm guessing this recent change of heart is from my sudden voting of Marquis with what you most likely find bad reasoning. Is that correct?

wasn't really recent, I'd been flagging you up for a bit. that vote didn't help.

[BoroPhil]

Boro why are you leaning town on Marquis?

What did you think of my post showing that he is town and thus I am?

Ouch trying to clear yourself with meta. Icky.

I just don't see a case against him

[BoroPhil]

if this turns into Slander v Neon, Neon's getting my vote

[BoroPhil]

can someone with more experience explain why we don't want a nolynch today?

[BoroPhil]

Neon is a great lynch here imo. good chance he is scum and if he isn't scum Marangal and Slander rise right to the top of the list.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: neonizer

[BoroPhil]

if neo flips town, we lynch mara. simples. absolutely convinced one of them is scum. I'll put my entire mafiascum reputation on it.

[BoroPhil]

If Mario were scum he would have known why there wasn't a nolynch due to scum qt.

You have presented 2 ISOs and said he was less active here than there. That doesn't mean much; I have similar tendencies some games I am more active than others. I have shown the mentality in both games is the same which is much much stronger to base a read on (read: it actually is conclusive evidence he was town).

I don't think "oh, there was a no lynch today because town got majority" is the type of thing to come up in a scum QT.

REGINA+, please stop lurking. You know people lynch you when you lurk, so don't do it

How did you know who Regina is Nacho?

Site chat.

can someone with more experience explain why we don't want a nolynch today?

No Lynching is a bad idea unless you don't have a definitively strong townread.

I don't. Do you?

[BoroPhil]

not much time Mara.

I hate prod dodge posts. just post something meaningful or wait until you do?

[BoroPhil]

excuse me

[BoroPhil]

You farted?

your other site comment?

[BoroPhil]

Deja vu from D1 and how several wagons died

I hate this but I gut read Mario town but you're defending a player who you didn't know well thinking that'll convince the others??

Meh. So u guys think enough people will show up before Sunday night? Last time several wagons died in the last 24 hrs

well, by Nacho's rationale I shouldn't be bothered about a nolynch. I'm not confident anyone is town.

[BoroPhil]

if neo flips town, we lynch mara. simples. absolutely convinced one of them is scum. I'll put my entire mafiascum reputation on it.

Yer cos that means something...... Stop trying to set a chain lynch

hmm

this is exactly what I was thinking

I know I'm town, and Slandaar's opening was pretty townish, IMO

thinking we should flashwagon Boro

haha nice try, I'm sure you think you are. fwiw, I don't even know what chaining is.

I will say again - Neo or Marangal are scum. I'd put my house on it. Possibly wrong to drag Slander into it, but I'm very confident about the initial statement.

[BoroPhil]

if this turns into Slander v Neon, Neon's getting my vote

why?
especially when you are saying Slandaar and I are top suspects should Neon flip town?

we are ludicrously drifting towards another no lynch here again, no-one seems particularly bothered about picking the pace up.

and why are you saying this, yet not doing anything yourself to pick up the pace?

firstly, it's obvious why neon is getting my vote - have you been reading the rest of the game?

secondly, I think I've been the driving force behind most of what has happened today. so your second point is ridiculous.

this looks incredibly scummy. but if you were scum, why would you not just stick with neo? So, more likely that you are just being incredibly wrong. Unless you are both scum.

[BoroPhil]

Phil to say I don't read. I mentioned earlier I know you from another site. Also have hints early on calling you werewolfy

haha, you bastard. who are you?

[BoroPhil]

btw, if you are using 'chaining lynches' as a reason to vote for me, it's cheap.

That was not my intention. I do however think one of neo or marangal is scum.

I would have a look at the people voting for me - all people who I have called scum. Now they are trying to engineer reasons to vote for me. Coincidence? I think not.

[BoroPhil]

and sure, if being the driving force means making sure you don't get heat on yourself/keeping a somewhat low profile

as for your case on neo? I don't see it, I see dry-fits and I see you suspecting him after him, and after I've lightly tagged him

I don't see anything, coming from your slot regarding him, at all

you don't see it?

are you totally mental?

I've been consistently after him all day, he even admitted that himself.

[BoroPhil]

a quick selection

and of the people on it, I'd say neonizer is the most likely scum. there is time for a counter wagon.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: neonizer

VOTE: neonizer

neo, try reading back through the thread, I've explained my reasons for you, bubba and start. that's why you are my top three and possibly bar not I can't really see my vote moving elsewhere today.

What, you aren't reading the thead properly because you are scum? Oh, sorry about that.

not sure what Dry's game is, and whilst I think I admitted I was a bit surprised by the deadline arrival, I actually tried to get a lynch on someone I wasn't convinced on (notscience) to try and stop a no lynch. So, your vote is frankly baffling.

I think you are town, but town having a bad game. I suggest you have another think and try and improve.

btw neo, you never answered start's admittedly useful question at 751.

and this scum meta is? Please enlighten us.

well wtf happened here

Quoting someone who smells werewolfy.

Loads of pages not enouhg substance.

Don't like mara atm which is weird to say

I like ETLs replace out because before that I have sneaky suspicion him and NS were scum.

Now I think Hi two townies.

and I think this was the reason you seemed the scummiest of those on that particular wagon. It was a bizarre post which you never fully explained.

What on earth did the 4th and 5th lines mean?

Seriously phil saying someone is the scummiest isn't a reason. Give me a reason for why you thought I was scummiest. You call me lazy but you are just fluff and no content.

That's not attaching. You are so blatantly going for me with no real reasoning that it's coming across as bussing. So that if you flip scum your buddies get a mislynch of me through your attachment to me

I've explained it enough now. I know you don't like it because you are scum but I'm not going round in circles with you. I'll leave it to the others to decide who is scummiest.

and I'll ask again:

what is this scum meta you think you have noticed
which of my scumbuddies were on this mario wagon

you talk about fluff, yet the irony is you are zero content yourself. it's all noise.

and neo, what?

let me get this straight. I'm sacrificing myself so we can get a mislynch of you tomorrow? Do you realise how preposterous a defence that is?

are you going to answer my questions?

start asked it as well, so do you not answer anyone's questions?

can everyone else please explain to me why you are not voting neo?

Neo - want to expand on that?

Again, I have explained. you aren't reading or are choosing to pretend you aren't. It's nothing to do with liking, I've obviously caught you out on something you didn't expect to be caught out on.

Bubba - apologies if I am boring you. fancy doing some scum hunting yourself instead of criticising other people's? or maybe you don't want to because you and neo are scum together?

You've decided Sakura is town. well done you.

does anyone else need me to explain why I'm voting for neo or is it obvious?

well there was an element of process of elimination to it I have to admit.

There was certainly something doggy about the whole Mario wagon, Sakura/Dry got on it later perhaps in an effort to get any sort of lynch, but I was/am pretty happy they are town and I'm happy to go with the rationale of any lynch being better than none, particularly on D1.

I was happy ETL was town, so again no problem with SoS, although his motivations were less clear.

So we have neo and nacho.

Nacho started it, which seemed a bit of an odd move for scum at this stage, although odd seems an apt way to sum up nacho. I assume he is some sort of figure round here based on his join date and all the nacccccchhhhhhhhhhoooooooo stuff that keeps going on.

Which brings us to neo.

2nd vote on, follows this nachooooo rubbish.

he'd also just posted a really strange #538, which I explained and asked about again earlier, yet received no response. we talk about no substance, yet we have a post about 'werewolfiness' followed by some unintelligible drivel about ETL.

looking back as well, what is interesting is at #192 neo pulls up nacho's 109 about listing him as town. yet with no response to this, 10 posts later neo is typing 'go nachooooooooooo' and following his vote.

does this not strike people as odd? scum with a capital S.

Marangal, you are full of shite. it's either scummy or just rank bad play. I'd almost prefer a lynch on you today.

[BoroPhil]

btw neo, by not revealing yourself, you leave me at a disadvantage. I would ask anyone to consider why someone who claims to be on the same team as me would do that

[BoroPhil]

btw neo, by not revealing yourself, you leave me at a disadvantage. I would ask anyone to consider why someone who claims to be on the same team as me would do that

It would reveal my main on here. The whole point of alts. Otherwise you should use that case on any alt or secret hydra? Are they auto scum any time they create an account? No.

I can PM you if you'd like with the OTF username

I'm not sure it's the same. An alt wouldn't reveal themselves at any time. You chose to semi-reveal yourself, yet not go the whole way. Odd. Can't see any pro-town motive for that.

yes please.

[BoroPhil]

Marangal, you are full of shite. it's either scummy or just rank bad play. I'd almost prefer a lynch on you today.

this only comes out when I decide to come after you?

or, attempt to make a case against you, and not when I was going after anyone else?

what only comes out?

and excuse me I flagged you as scum, long before you started attacking me. anyone who can read can see this, so I'm not really sure what you expect to achieve from this. even if you somehow manage to convince everyone to lynch me, you'll be dead tomorrow.

[BoroPhil]

I actually don't understand any of that. what do you mean by posturing/fencesitting/trollytracking (wtf?), robotic emotion, appeals to fear?

just sounds like you are spouting mafiascum cliches.

I mean basically are you saying that I flagged you as scum, but it doesn't count because of the way I flagged you as scum?

and as for not doing much more than this, no I haven't because there are better options for lynches than you today. I've been pretty transparent about that all along.

Ultimately you are voting for me because I called you scum, yes?

So either scum, or upset town.

and how about answering 1153. what do you mean you

don't

see my case on neo? How on earth do you try and rationalise that stance?

[BoroPhil]

YOU USED THAT AS A REASON TO SCUM-READ SOMEONE ELSE

OHMERGAWDDDD

sorry, you are going to have to explain this one as well?

[BoroPhil]

and, are you not doing exactly what you accused of Neo-scum of doing D1?

JFC

again, explain this please.

and JFC?

[BoroPhil]

Jesus fucking christ

right, and explaining the rest?

[BoroPhil]

and Boro, did you not just use posturing as a possible reason for Dry-fit scum D1?
and did you not call Neo scum for saying they wanted to vote you at deadline, but didn't?
it's basically what you doing re me

I mean it's "I could vote you, Mara" over, and over, and over again but never backing it up

no, as I have explained several times my 'posturing' was an answer to Dry's question to me in that post. I wasn't accusing him of posturing. Yet again you aren't paying attention or reading properly. Why would that be I wonder?

and no, my case on neo was mainly based around bandwagoning and following nacho. Have you even read my posts?

I'm not doing anything of the sort re you, I've flagged you as possible scum, but think neo is a better option. No contradiction at all and totally clear.

If you are town, this case you seem to have come up with is embarrassing. It's so full of holes it's unreal.

[BoroPhil]

here you go

oh, what a cliched, lazy vote. are you trying to rise to the top of my scum list?

How was the vote cliched?

posturing really.

I don't like how you dismiss an entire reads list as "posturing".

you have encouraged me to make a bit more effort here anyway SoS, so thanks for that. this was drifting along somewhat.

Kinda liked this, not sure why. Clear motive for the kill, though.

too scummy to be scum doesn't exist. if I'm scummy, vote for me. again start, this is just noise.

I liked this response to Bert. This was something that could have been easily ignored.

seems legit

cliched because he seemed to be picking on me for 'wanting to end the day early' and this is a big mafiscum cliche.

'posturing' was my response to Dry's question, not his post.

well there was an element of process of elimination to it I have to admit.

There was certainly something doggy about the whole Mario wagon, Sakura/Dry got on it later perhaps in an effort to get any sort of lynch, but I was/am pretty happy they are town and I'm happy to go with the rationale of any lynch being better than none, particularly on D1.

I was happy ETL was town, so again no problem with SoS, although his motivations were less clear.

So we have neo and nacho.

Nacho started it, which seemed a bit of an odd move for scum at this stage, although odd seems an apt way to sum up nacho. I assume he is some sort of figure round here based on his join date and all the nacccccchhhhhhhhhhoooooooo stuff that keeps going on.

Which brings us to neo.

2nd vote on, follows this nachooooo rubbish.

he'd also just posted a really strange #538, which I explained and asked about again earlier, yet received no response. we talk about no substance, yet we have a post about 'werewolfiness' followed by some unintelligible drivel about ETL.

looking back as well, what is interesting is at #192 neo pulls up nacho's 109 about listing him as town. yet with no response to this, 10 posts later neo is typing 'go nachooooooooooo' and following his vote.

does this not strike people as odd? scum with a capital S.

[BoroPhil]

quite possibly the worst attempt at a case I have seen in my year on mafiascum I'd say.

JFC indeed

[BoroPhil]

er, what

[BoroPhil]

any response to the rest of 1181?

any response to 1169?

or are we just going to get more mafiscumisms, name dropping and in-jokes?

[BoroPhil]

What's an alt?

Phil to say I don't read. I mentioned earlier I know you from another site. Also have hints early on calling you werewolfy

btw neo, by not revealing yourself, you leave me at a disadvantage. I would ask anyone to consider why someone who claims to be on the same team as me would do that

It would reveal my main on here. The whole point of alts. Otherwise you should use that case on any alt or secret hydra? Are they auto scum any time they create an account? No.

I can PM you if you'd like with the OTF username

Neo, why the change of heart?

why someone who wanted to be a newbie to someone who was desperate to reveal themself as not?

[BoroPhil]

Also phil I was hoping you'd have got the OTFness from the werewolf stuff to start with

well, werewolf isn't exclusive to OTF, I've played in games with werewolves here. looking back it was slightly odd, and I flagged it as such at the time but it didn't make me think 'OTF'.

let's assume you aren't scum for a moment, why are you voting for me?

btw - I assume Marangal is taking some time to forumlate another pack of shite after I found her out last night. I would happily switch to her as an alternate lynch at this time.

With her, neo, Marcrell and Bubba we have people who we have good reason to lynch. this should not be another nolynch.

[BoroPhil]

I thought no lynching was the worst thing we could do?

[BoroPhil]

Yeah there shouldn't have been.

Oh borophil please stop playing to your scum meta

Why didn't you switch your vote here then?

Oh.

In fact Slander, you were one of the people saying we shouldn't have done a nolynch yesterday, so why today?

[BoroPhil]

What's an alt?

Phil to say I don't read. I mentioned earlier I know you from another site. Also have hints early on calling you werewolfy

btw neo, by not revealing yourself, you leave me at a disadvantage. I would ask anyone to consider why someone who claims to be on the same team as me would do that

It would reveal my main on here. The whole point of alts. Otherwise you should use that case on any alt or secret hydra? Are they auto scum any time they create an account? No.

I can PM you if you'd like with the OTF username

Neo, why the change of heart?

why someone who wanted to be a newbie to someone who was desperate to reveal themself as not?

neo?

[BoroPhil]

if Slander was scum wouldn't he just keep his lynch on neo? unless they both are?

[BoroPhil]

so you are both pretty confident neo is town?

[BoroPhil]

and that's a lynch I believe?

[BoroPhil]

but why a nolynch after you said we didn't want a nolynch on day one? I don't get it.

[BoroPhil]

btw - I assume Marangal is taking some time to forumlate another pack of shite after I found her out last night. I would happily switch to her as an alternate lynch at this time.

or, I did modding, went back to my video game, and then went to bed?

this is a huge bash towards my ego. there's no way in hell I would just "disappear" for a few moments to "formulate" something and everyone who's brought something up similar to this was scum.

if you get found out talking at best a pack of shite, at worst a pack of lies, then at least have the decency to respond it. don't fuck off and then whinge about it when you get called out on it.

in other words, fuck you

[BoroPhil]

you didn't run away. what a joke. you left a load of unanswered questions, your case was found to be total bollocks and now you are crying. pathetic.

[BoroPhil]

I actually don't understand any of that. what do you mean by posturing/fencesitting/trollytracking (wtf?), robotic emotion, appeals to fear?

just sounds like you are spouting mafiascum cliches.

I mean basically are you saying that I flagged you as scum, but it doesn't count because of the way I flagged you as scum?

and as for not doing much more than this, no I haven't because there are better options for lynches than you today. I've been pretty transparent about that all along.

Ultimately you are voting for me because I called you scum, yes?

So either scum, or upset town.

and how about answering 1153. what do you mean you

don't

see my case on neo? How on earth do you try and rationalise that stance?

YOU USED THAT AS A REASON TO SCUM-READ SOMEONE ELSE

OHMERGAWDDDD

sorry, you are going to have to explain this one as well?

and, are you not doing exactly what you accused of Neo-scum of doing D1?

JFC

again, explain this please.

and JFC?

Jesus fucking christ

right, and explaining the rest?

and Boro, did you not just use posturing as a possible reason for Dry-fit scum D1?
and did you not call Neo scum for saying they wanted to vote you at deadline, but didn't?
it's basically what you doing re me

I mean it's "I could vote you, Mara" over, and over, and over again but never backing it up

no, as I have explained several times my 'posturing' was an answer to Dry's question to me in that post. I wasn't accusing him of posturing. Yet again you aren't paying attention or reading properly. Why would that be I wonder?

and no, my case on neo was mainly based around bandwagoning and following nacho. Have you even read my posts?

I'm not doing anything of the sort re you, I've flagged you as possible scum, but think neo is a better option. No contradiction at all and totally clear.

If you are town, this case you seem to have come up with is embarrassing. It's so full of holes it's unreal.

any response to the rest of 1181?

any response to 1169?

or are we just going to get more mafiscumisms, name dropping and in-jokes?

things you ran away from and haven't answered

[BoroPhil]

I have no idea what that means. Like a lot of things you posted, it's just walls of words with no actual explanations.

[BoroPhil]

does anyone else have any idea what she is on about?

if you aren't scum, something is seriously wrong with you.

[BoroPhil]

this is one absolutely fucking deranged woman.

Slander, help me out here, can you explain any of what she is babbling on about?

and if there was a slight chance of her being town - surely you would explain yourself better? I've never seen such a string of anti-town posts.

[BoroPhil]

but why a nolynch after you said we didn't want a nolynch on day one? I don't get it.

Because its free after D1 nolynch. D1 nolynch was not free and thus horrendously bad but once you have had one the second is MANDATORY at some point during the game to put the numbers back to odd. Why not today to let me read up properly and also see who ends up dead? more information quicker isn't a bad thing for town.

Lynch in this order: Nacho -> Marquis -> Sakura

That will end in a town win.

Why is Phil town, and if nacho is town, who's scum slandaaar?

Phil owns a town pm.

Nacho doesn't so there is no answer.

You two need to just stop and take confirmed town Slandaars word on these things.

thanks, that makes total sense. and presumably the people weighing in on the 'can't have a nolynch' know this.

[BoroPhil]

this is one absolutely fucking deranged woman.

Slander, help me out here, can you explain any of what she is babbling on about?

and if there was a slight chance of her being town - surely you would explain yourself better? I've never seen such a string of anti-town posts.

how can this ever, EVER, come from town?

My intentions are pretty clear

I have no idea what you are talking about. I've listed post after post where I don't understand what you are saying.

Just quoting posts and talking about other players and spouting mafiascumisms does not make a point. It just looks like you are.

Explain them. Why would you not if you were town?

[BoroPhil]

and again. what is '...' supposed to mean?

[BoroPhil]

I think you need your medication.

[BoroPhil]

that doesn't make any sense either does it?

why would town want to discredit scum? hmm, I wonder. because they are scum?

[BoroPhil]

and 1264 is pretty revealing, because you are basically admitting there that you know I am town.

and 1265 - even if you were town, you don't know 100% that I am scum. so there is no reason not to help out another potential town player.

Marangal lynch tomorrow please.

[BoroPhil]

we have 2 mislynches don't we?

assuming you are town, it's 8-3

so we get 6-3 and 4-3, 2 mislynches

[BoroPhil]

nah sorry, you are right, it will be 7-3

but we still have the 'free nolynch'

[BoroPhil]

sorry, why would town not want to discredit scum?

[BoroPhil]

btw, HINT

talking in capitals all the time makes you seem even more mental.

[BoroPhil]

btw, HINT

talking in capitals all the time makes you seem even more mental.

Resorting to personal attacks regarding a person's sanity which is obviously untrue really gives is nothing but the already known fact that you do not like said person. It's mostly filler attempting to discredit the other party's arguments without giving an explanation as to why they're wrong.

you what?

she has posted a series of posts which are supposed to be reasons for wanting to lynch me, yet they have all been filled with rubbish and when asked to explain she either refuses, posts streams of quotes, cliches or references to other games and players. it's total nonsense, and if she is town it's quite frankly the worst example of a town performance I've ever seen and she genuinely needs help.

I'll ask you - if she is town, why would she not explain her points? Do you understand her points?

[BoroPhil]

oh and nice of you to turn up Marcrell. having been absent for all of the time up to the deadline. well played.

[BoroPhil]

and now it's semantics. brilliant.

[BoroPhil]

Here's another tip for you Marangal from the Town Rulebook

1. Town help other town players by explaining their reasons, especially when asked. Scum don't and evade. and disappear.

[BoroPhil]

not an expected killing? Dry seemed pretty town, I thought start might have gone. Slander was an awful lynch, especially after he explained the 'free nolynch' we had. Question is did the people piling on not realise this or did they totally realise it and piled on using his nolynch as an excuse?

VOTE: marangal

[BoroPhil]

haha, yeah when you get a chance Mara, why don't you try answering some of my questions from yesterday instead of picking ONE that suits your argument? so transparent it hurts.

No doubt your response to this will be a barrage of quotes, ... , references to other players who aren't in the game and mafiascum phrases.

[BoroPhil]

and just to humour you, and why I should answer your questions when you don't answer mine I don't know, but exactly what question have I dodged?

[BoroPhil]

not an expected killing? Dry seemed pretty town, I thought start might have gone. Slander was an awful lynch, especially after he explained the 'free nolynch' we had. Question is did the people piling on not realise this or did they totally realise it and piled on using his nolynch as an excuse?

VOTE: marangal

this needs to die.

the NK speculation is feigned surprised, and this is a speculation I have never seen from town while, Several times I have seen scum use something similar to this
wagon analysis is made to make people on the sladaar wagon look not to hot
yeah, it was a bad wagon, but I'm doubting that it was scum pushed. it didn't really look like such

oh and finally. my 'not an expected killing' was a question at bubba (who had feigned surprise), so interesting that you avoid asking this question of the person who actually did it, yet another misrepping of my position and yet another case against me that falls apart immedieately.

and let's remember, this speculation was started by Slander, confirmed town, who looked town as soon as he came in, who replaced a town-looking player, and who you and others were happy to let die.

Can anyone not voting for marangal explain why she isn't scum?

[BoroPhil]

don't all post at once guys

[BoroPhil]

hmm indeed. in fact Mara, yesterday you said you were "not answering scum questions" and now you've answered them all? You should probably work on getting your story straight, I know town is pretty much making zero effort here so you probably think you can get away with it.

[BoroPhil]

hmm indeed. in fact Mara, yesterday you said you were "not answering scum questions" and now you've answered them all? You should probably work on getting your story straight, I know town is pretty much making zero effort here so you probably think you can get away with it.

[BoroPhil]

if neo flips town, we lynch mara. simples. absolutely convinced one of them is scum. I'll put my entire mafiascum reputation on it.

Yer cos that means something...... Stop trying to set a chain lynch

hmm

this is exactly what I was thinking

I know I'm town, and Slandaar's opening was pretty townish, IMO

thinking we should flashwagon Boro

and sure, if being the driving force means making sure you don't get heat on yourself/keeping a somewhat low profile

as for your case on neo? I don't see it, I see dry-fits and I see you suspecting him after him, and after I've lightly tagged him

I don't see anything, coming from your slot regarding him, at all

a quick selection

and of the people on it, I'd say neonizer is the most likely scum. there is time for a counter wagon.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: neonizer

VOTE: neonizer

neo, try reading back through the thread, I've explained my reasons for you, bubba and start. that's why you are my top three and possibly bar not I can't really see my vote moving elsewhere today.

What, you aren't reading the thead properly because you are scum? Oh, sorry about that.

not sure what Dry's game is, and whilst I think I admitted I was a bit surprised by the deadline arrival, I actually tried to get a lynch on someone I wasn't convinced on (notscience) to try and stop a no lynch. So, your vote is frankly baffling.

I think you are town, but town having a bad game. I suggest you have another think and try and improve.

btw neo, you never answered start's admittedly useful question at 751.

and this scum meta is? Please enlighten us.

well wtf happened here

Quoting someone who smells werewolfy.

Loads of pages not enouhg substance.

Don't like mara atm which is weird to say

I like ETLs replace out because before that I have sneaky suspicion him and NS were scum.

Now I think Hi two townies.

and I think this was the reason you seemed the scummiest of those on that particular wagon. It was a bizarre post which you never fully explained.

What on earth did the 4th and 5th lines mean?

Seriously phil saying someone is the scummiest isn't a reason. Give me a reason for why you thought I was scummiest. You call me lazy but you are just fluff and no content.

That's not attaching. You are so blatantly going for me with no real reasoning that it's coming across as bussing. So that if you flip scum your buddies get a mislynch of me through your attachment to me

I've explained it enough now. I know you don't like it because you are scum but I'm not going round in circles with you. I'll leave it to the others to decide who is scummiest.

and I'll ask again:

what is this scum meta you think you have noticed
which of my scumbuddies were on this mario wagon

you talk about fluff, yet the irony is you are zero content yourself. it's all noise.

and neo, what?

let me get this straight. I'm sacrificing myself so we can get a mislynch of you tomorrow? Do you realise how preposterous a defence that is?

are you going to answer my questions?

start asked it as well, so do you not answer anyone's questions?

can everyone else please explain to me why you are not voting neo?

Neo - want to expand on that?

Again, I have explained. you aren't reading or are choosing to pretend you aren't. It's nothing to do with liking, I've obviously caught you out on something you didn't expect to be caught out on.

Bubba - apologies if I am boring you. fancy doing some scum hunting yourself instead of criticising other people's? or maybe you don't want to because you and neo are scum together?

You've decided Sakura is town. well done you.

does anyone else need me to explain why I'm voting for neo or is it obvious?

well there was an element of process of elimination to it I have to admit.

There was certainly something doggy about the whole Mario wagon, Sakura/Dry got on it later perhaps in an effort to get any sort of lynch, but I was/am pretty happy they are town and I'm happy to go with the rationale of any lynch being better than none, particularly on D1.

I was happy ETL was town, so again no problem with SoS, although his motivations were less clear.

So we have neo and nacho.

Nacho started it, which seemed a bit of an odd move for scum at this stage, although odd seems an apt way to sum up nacho. I assume he is some sort of figure round here based on his join date and all the nacccccchhhhhhhhhhoooooooo stuff that keeps going on.

Which brings us to neo.

2nd vote on, follows this nachooooo rubbish.

he'd also just posted a really strange #538, which I explained and asked about again earlier, yet received no response. we talk about no substance, yet we have a post about 'werewolfiness' followed by some unintelligible drivel about ETL.

looking back as well, what is interesting is at #192 neo pulls up nacho's 109 about listing him as town. yet with no response to this, 10 posts later neo is typing 'go nachooooooooooo' and following his vote.

does this not strike people as odd? scum with a capital S.

Marangal, you are full of shite. it's either scummy or just rank bad play. I'd almost prefer a lynch on you today.

Because he knows notscience and I are both town and pasted a town perspective to the end of that? It's much too easy of a slip but it's one I really would like to be true.

VOTE: Mario4

As far as I'm concerned, one of notscience and Mario4 is scum. I'm leaning notscience just because he's too composed for my liking this game, but for now I'm with Nacho.

don't particularly like this, as I didn't like the mario wagon yesterday. I also still think not is scum so you are leaning the wrong way. Another one with nacho, think I missed this before.

Can anyone NOT with nacho state this as well please? ta.

Is this vote a good reason for a marquis wagon?

Vote: Marquis

Marquis votes mario, mario votes marquis.

Mara if you're town you should be able to read the meta here and if you're scum then here's your chance to bus for towncred.

this is shitty, and a really weird appeal

Because he knows notscience and I are both town and pasted a town perspective to the end of that? It's much too easy of a slip but it's one I really would like to be true.

VOTE: Mario4

As far as I'm concerned, one of notscience and Mario4 is scum. I'm leaning notscience just because he's too composed for my liking this game, but for now I'm with Nacho.

and then he posts this as a possible explanation as to why Mario said what he said?

WHY. You've said "Nacho's scum" quite a few times, reasons please

I've explained this, when Ffery asked

but then, I rarely like Nacho and Ffery can read him better than I can. Her being dead, and flipping town is enough for me to leave him alone for the time being.

VOTE: Marquis

But you're right this is boring now. You aren't going anywhere other than saying someone is scummy cos they were on a wagon so.....

Next task

Is Neo one of your buddies, Marquis?

i was going to make a cheeky response about shirtless male models but then got distracted googling dave franco shirtless @_@

as for the question you're asking for i'm pretty sure i got to everything already

pedit mara i don't think i've ever seen you go that far with this-is-town-viewpoint-conf-bias before.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mara

I don't particularly like marangal today though (strangely because she flagged neo up as possible scum, it just seemed a bit out of context) and I quite like this vote. ergo I don't think a vote on you is good at this stage. I'm prepared to give Mario the benefit of the doubt as I think he is semi-uninterested town but this vote jumps out at me.

Unvote
Vote: Marquis

explanation needed here?

overall I think my scum read on start has backed off a bit, bubba is still up there along with marangal/neo.

what do

you

think of your wagon marquis?

I think I'd prefer nacho to Mara and just get it over with. Mara seems to be agreeing with me and that makes me uneasy, but then if she is town I don't particularly want to lynch her and what would be pretty much a hunch.

If Nacho is being odd though, wouldn't that be too obvious? Surely he isn't just odd every time he is scum.

these are your starting flags, and you don't do much more with this (I mean, other than saying that you might want me lynched?)

and after this is all "I think mara could be scum, but lets keep her around a bit" EG: posturing/fencesitting/trollytracking and... Robotic emotion? and, an appeal to fear (which isn't one of the emotional appeals that town go after)

the appeal to fear starts to come out as soon as I go after you, before then was just an insane amount of posturing when it came to your stance on me.

snip

posturing really.

YOU USED THAT AS A REASON TO SCUM-READ SOMEONE ELSE

OHMERGAWDDDD

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I actually don't understand any of that. what do you mean by posturing/fencesitting/trollytracking (wtf?), robotic emotion, appeals to fear?

just sounds like you are spouting mafiascum cliches.

I mean basically are you saying that I flagged you as scum, but it doesn't count because of the way I flagged you as scum?

and as for not doing much more than this, no I haven't because there are better options for lynches than you today. I've been pretty transparent about that all along.

Ultimately you are voting for me because I called you scum, yes?

So either scum, or upset town.

and how about answering 1153. what do you mean you

don't

see my case on neo? How on earth do you try and rationalise that stance?

YOU USED THAT AS A REASON TO SCUM-READ SOMEONE ELSE

OHMERGAWDDDD

sorry, you are going to have to explain this one as well?

and, are you not doing exactly what you accused of Neo-scum of doing D1?

JFC

again, explain this please.

and JFC?

Jesus fucking christ

right, and explaining the rest?

and Boro, did you not just use posturing as a possible reason for Dry-fit scum D1?
and did you not call Neo scum for saying they wanted to vote you at deadline, but didn't?
it's basically what you doing re me

I mean it's "I could vote you, Mara" over, and over, and over again but never backing it up

If you are town, this case you seem to have come up with is embarrassing.

Hello, moza

OH

and Guille

er, what

quite possibly the worst attempt at a case I have seen in my year on mafiascum I'd say.

JFC indeed

this definitely reminds me of guille

If you are town, this case you seem to have come up with is embarrassing.

Hello, moza

OH

and Guille

quite possibly the worst attempt at a case I have seen in my year on mafiascum I'd say.

JFC indeed

this definitely reminds me of guille

WHOOPS

any response to the rest of 1181?

any response to 1169?

or are we just going to get more mafiscumisms, name dropping and in-jokes?

You fail to acknowledge that sometimes, maybe sometimes people tend to reach the same conclusions about something. Let me word it out. You are reluctant of voting, for things that I believe are good reasons for voting (Except your FOS on AJ): Violet, PM. Your FOS on AJ smells a lot like OMGUS. You vote for me for a reason: Wagon jumping? Which I don't now why you find that scummy. On a wagon that was not moving as fast as you suggest. A couple of lengthy fluff posts #51 and #53. AJ's arguments against you are good, and you did not defend yourself adequately. Stubbornness, ATE, and then just not convincing enough.

I could have posted a much longer post at the time I voted, but I would have probably said the same thing AJ said, and I had very little time to work out a longer post. The above is pretty much why I found you suspicious at the time and that hasn't changed much. However, you are not the scummiest player ATM.

I'm out for the weekend.

That sounds like a bad accusation, but I don't see where that applies.

I actually don't understand any of that. what do you mean by posturing/fencesitting/trollytracking (wtf?), robotic emotion, appeals to fear?

just sounds like you are spouting mafiascum cliches.

I mean basically are you saying that I flagged you as scum, but it doesn't count because of the way I flagged you as scum?

and as for not doing much more than this, no I haven't because there are better options for lynches than you today. I've been pretty transparent about that all along.

Ultimately you are voting for me because I called you scum, yes?

So either scum, or upset town.

and how about answering 1153. what do you mean you

don't

see my case on neo? How on earth do you try and rationalise that stance?

YOU USED THAT AS A REASON TO SCUM-READ SOMEONE ELSE

OHMERGAWDDDD

sorry, you are going to have to explain this one as well?

and, are you not doing exactly what you accused of Neo-scum of doing D1?

JFC

again, explain this please.

and JFC?

Jesus fucking christ

right, and explaining the rest?

and Boro, did you not just use posturing as a possible reason for Dry-fit scum D1?
and did you not call Neo scum for saying they wanted to vote you at deadline, but didn't?
it's basically what you doing re me

I mean it's "I could vote you, Mara" over, and over, and over again but never backing it up

no, as I have explained several times my 'posturing' was an answer to Dry's question to me in that post. I wasn't accusing him of posturing. Yet again you aren't paying attention or reading properly. Why would that be I wonder?

and no, my case on neo was mainly based around bandwagoning and following nacho. Have you even read my posts?

I'm not doing anything of the sort re you, I've flagged you as possible scum, but think neo is a better option. No contradiction at all and totally clear.

If you are town, this case you seem to have come up with is embarrassing. It's so full of holes it's unreal.

any response to the rest of 1181?

any response to 1169?

or are we just going to get more mafiscumisms, name dropping and in-jokes?

things you ran away from and haven't answered

I have no idea what that means. Like a lot of things you posted, it's just walls of words with no actual explanations.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

I really shouldn't need anything other than this to prove that you are scum.

If you are town, this case you seem to have come up with is embarrassing.

Hello, moza

OH

and Guille

quite possibly the worst attempt at a case I have seen in my year on mafiascum I'd say.

JFC indeed

this definitely reminds me of guille

WHOOPS

You fail to acknowledge that sometimes, maybe sometimes people tend to reach the same conclusions about something. Let me word it out. You are reluctant of voting, for things that I believe are good reasons for voting (Except your FOS on AJ): Violet, PM. Your FOS on AJ smells a lot like OMGUS. You vote for me for a reason: Wagon jumping? Which I don't now why you find that scummy. On a wagon that was not moving as fast as you suggest. A couple of lengthy fluff posts #51 and #53. AJ's arguments against you are good, and you did not defend yourself adequately. Stubbornness, ATE, and then just not convincing enough.

I could have posted a much longer post at the time I voted, but I would have probably said the same thing AJ said, and I had very little time to work out a longer post. The above is pretty much why I found you suspicious at the time and that hasn't changed much. However, you are not the scummiest player ATM.

I'm out for the weekend.

That sounds like a bad accusation, but I don't see where that applies.

But you're right this is boring now. You aren't going anywhere other than saying someone is scummy cos they were on a wagon so.....

Next task

This is still a pretty major tell, IMO.

He's been tagged as scum by (Boro?) and attempts to engage in a 1v1 with him, and when he is unable to make up responses to him he says this.

Similar to what Guille did in Inheritance, What Moza did in Jimmy Neutron, and what Mac has done in Poetic justice

all of them have ended up with a 1v1 with me, and all of them had tried to disengage it, making any credible statement I had made against them look less credible by muddying and attacking it. all the while, none of them have even attempted to try and discern my alignment within these 1v1's which is pretty much what Neo was doing, though the trolling is a little weird. Don't think Scum have attempted to troll me befoer

does anyone else have any idea what she is on about?

if you aren't scum, something is seriously wrong with you.

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

Pedit: OHMAIGOD

thanks, that makes total sense. and presumably the people weighing in on the 'can't have a nolynch' know this.

...

and again. what is '...' supposed to mean?

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

I also clicked your first link on guille. and it seemed like you are clutching at straws as to what you call similar. So I won't even bother with the other 2.

You aren't my main target. You can't convince scum that they are scum, but you can convince other townies that they are.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, btw

Pedit: OHMAIGOD

I am not going to be explaining shit to scum.

a passage of posts there where marangal basically answers nothing but posts a stream of quotes, references and phrases to make it look like she is. note, nothing answered, nothing clarified, everything found to be rubbish.

Also - see where the case begins - a 'chain lynch' which I was unaware I was doing and not having gone after neo, which I did consistently.

she then also tries to misrep my question to Dry and today the same at the stat of the day in response to the NK.

scum. wake up everyone.

[BoroPhil]

and looking at that, considering she thought 'Slander was pretty townish' she was quite happy to watch him get lynched.

[BoroPhil]

So now they're on to the Mara lynch... I'm not seeing it. A bit of claiming she seems off when pushing you, doesn't really show much to me. Plus my confirmation bias of already suspecting Marquis doesn't help.

Do you think 1 of them is scum? Or do you not understand the Mara lynch?

One of whom? I've been leaning towards Marquis as scum for a while but I don't really understand the Mara lynch either. A bit more explanation from boro just now buy I'm not sold on the idea yet.

Mara/Marquis. I was asking if you were under the assumption that 1 of them was scum. Sorry it came out so weirdly.

@Everyone: What about Boro/Mara? (1 being scum)

I'm prepared to consider the possibility that Mara is town and just having an awful game, some of you seem to know her better than me and Slander's words are ringing in my ears.

Bubba - this almost sounds like you are setting this up for a kill one of us today, the other tomorrow. and yes I know I used the same argument yesterday with neo/mara so I could just be being paranoid.

But - I've thought you were scum from early on so this would make sense.

Start - why Bubba?

I think Start and Sakura are pretty clear town here.

Marcrell - not sure what to make really, barely involved but I'm almost leaning towards town now. If you are town, get involved a bit more?

Neo - where's he gone?

Nacho - I have a nagging feeling about him especially after what Slander said.

Marquis - defended him earlier more by PoE than anything. again, if town you might want to get contributing.

basically town apathy is killing this I reckon.

[BoroPhil]

yeah, I am.

[BoroPhil]

ok bubba, imagine me you and Sakura are town. big leap for me here considering I have you as probably my top 2.

start is scum? and who else?

[BoroPhil]

I'm not convinced on anyone. If I called everyone town who were 'doing things that make me think otherwise' everyone would be town.

[BoroPhil]

I haven't changed anything Mara, as you'll notice my vote is still on you. I'm prepared to consider all options though. Sticking rigidly to a position and not considering anything else is a scumtrait I'd say.

and ofc you still haven't answered any of my questions. and now I'm misrepping you. classic really.

[BoroPhil]

I'm not convinced on anyone. If I called everyone town who were 'doing things that make me think otherwise' everyone would be town.

Why do you keep convincing yourself I'm scum then? Why am I scum? What am I doing that convinces you I'm not town? Who else do you have to keep convincing yourself is scum/town?

And going to start reading ISO's and developing reads. From reading Bubba up to a post somewhere in the 800's total I'm leaning town. Provides good reasons and such. I haven't liked his recent play as much so I'm going to finish reading by tomorrow and give you my read with some quotes and such to back it up.

I'm excited.

well my scumread was based on what happened very early on and then it sparked up again when you tried to latch onto Nacho. and since the initial thing, I don't think you've done anything to convince me otherwise.

The only person who has consistently acted anti-town in this game is Marangal and hopefully this is because she is scum, but it nags away that she could just be having an awful game/an awful player. Someone has already said they've seen her play like this as town and that worries me.

As for the rest, well neo looked pretty scummy then he threw the spanner in the works that he knew me from another site and now he's left the game. His claim totally threw me, and looking objectively there was no reason to change my scum read.

and then we have people like MArcrell and Marquis, barely involved so lurky scum or not bothered town?

I'd love start, nacho and Sakura to be town. They seem town to me, but if it was that easy I'd be amazed.

[BoroPhil]

So now they're on to the Mara lynch... I'm not seeing it. A bit of claiming she seems off when pushing you, doesn't really show much to me. Plus my confirmation bias of already suspecting Marquis doesn't help.

Do you think 1 of them is scum? Or do you not understand the Mara lynch?

No response to the vote on you?

Nacho - I have a nagging feeling about him especially after what Slander said.

What did Slandaar say that you agreed with?

well I didn't necessarily agree with it but he thought you were scum and me and Mara were town. I think he's wrong on two of those, but as confirmed town we have to at least look at what he was saying. Though he could ofc be completely wrong.

[BoroPhil]

Point still stands

You're backing down

you're realizing that you can't get me lynched

and no matter how many times you try and get people to view me as scum

it'll never happen because I'm fucking town

people here know I'm town

and if they don't, it won't take very long for them to see it.

I havn't played with Sladaaar much, but I've played enough where he can recognize my town-game asap.

I've had a slow/awkward start, but that doesn't matter.

What does, is the fact that I'm here ready to catch scum, and lynch scum today

I'm not backing down, I'm trying to step back, look at it objectively and see if I might be wrong about you. Slander thought you were town and I think bubba has said it as well. But I just can't see it and your reactions here compound it for me.

If everyone else thinks you are town, I'd like them to tell me why.

[BoroPhil]

I haven't changed anything Mara, as you'll notice my vote is still on you. I'm prepared to consider all options though. Sticking rigidly to a position and not considering anything else is a scumtrait I'd say.

^^^

What does, is the fact that I'm here ready to catch scum, and lynch scum today

that's the spirit!

what does three pointy-up arrows mean?

[BoroPhil]

ah ok. thanks.

see, why can't Mara do that?

[BoroPhil]

Do you think Mara is death tunneling you?

There are other players death tunneling.

sorry, death tunneling?

I did try looking in the wiki !

[BoroPhil]

thanks, yeah I knew what tunnelling was, I kind of worked out what death tunnelling was but thanks for clarifying.

who else do you think is doing this?

[BoroPhil]

why just Mara and Nacho?

[BoroPhil]

ns, I can barely remember anything you have done in this game, so it's a bit rich calling out gnarlygrey.

on the other hand, I'm pretty convinced neo was scum. we had a very odd exchange and now he has ran off (I'm none the wiser who he was, though I have my suspicions). gnarly has not done anything to convince me otherwise.

people keep telling Mara she has been driving up the wrong alley with me. people don't seem to consider these actions scummy. why?

[BoroPhil]

and I will point out again. marcrell is doing absolutely fuck all in this game.

[BoroPhil]

he has less posts than Bro.

don't worry Mara, I'm still on you as well

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Marcrell

[BoroPhil]

VOTE: Tcold
For turning down the thermostat.

Marcrell

still

hasn't placed a serious vote. What's going on here bud?

I don't have a serious suspicion. I'll
UNVOTE: Dry-Fit
But I'm still working on developing reads and the fact that I am rather limited on time right now is keeping me from rereading and doing it right now.

Well this is extremely confusing. I had suspected notscience for a while but now it has been sort of muddled.
VOTE: notscience
I'm sorry but I won't be online again before the deadline and I want to get a lynch before the day is through. Tomorrow I'll be more helpful with reads, but I just haven't been able to sit down for a good reread this day.

Oh god, I'm tired.
VOTE: Marquis
I'll give reasons tomorrow when it isn't eleven o'clock hopefully.

OMFG. just look at Marcrell's votes. and look who attacked him at #580

[BoroPhil]

just for clarification. they are ALL of Marcrell's votes.

[BoroPhil]

actually 594 is odd, is that an unvote or a vote? he hadn't previously voted Dry

[BoroPhil]

and I tell you what, if Marcrell/Mara ended up being town I've had the worst deal in mafiascum history

[BoroPhil]

he has less posts than Bro.

don't worry Mara, I'm still on you as well

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Marcrell

so, a lurker vote.

Makes me feel muuucchhhhh better about you

/sarcasm

oh what's this? another FUCKING EXCELLENT contribution from mara.

instead of the arsey comment, how about actually telling us what you think about marcrell, his votes and the point I raised about Dry?

or are you not interested in doing that because you are scum?

[BoroPhil]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mara

I'm not moving this, this time.

again I will ask everyone - what on earth about Mara's play makes you think she is town?

[BoroPhil]

TOWN
Marcrell
notsci
sakura
Bubba

IDON'TKNOWWHATTOTHINK
Nacho
Bert
marquis

SCUM
Borophil

this btw is Mara's list of reads. She has one person pegged as scum. one. the rest is so non-committal it's unbelievable. and now we have the latest 'oh well nacho might be town, but then again he might be scum, oh but I usually don't know and oh well BoroPhil is scum at least'

leaving me aside ofc Mara, any thoughts on the rest of the scumteam?

[BoroPhil]

and exactly what has Marcrell done to put you at the top of your town list? or do you assume lurkers are autotown?

[BoroPhil]

you=him

[BoroPhil]

opportunistic yeah, for the guy on zero votes who nobody seems to be noticing.

and yet again you post a quote without explaining anything. exactly why is Marcrell town from #949?

[BoroPhil]

and I'll ask again, who do you think is scum bar me?

[BoroPhil]

and if you think nacho is town, what do you make of Marcrell's current vote?

[BoroPhil]

you don't think any of her play has been in the slightest bit scummy?

[BoroPhil]

But you're right this is boring now. You aren't going anywhere other than saying someone is scummy cos they were on a wagon so.....

Next task

This is still a pretty major tell, IMO.

He's been tagged as scum by (Boro?) and attempts to engage in a 1v1 with him, and when he is unable to make up responses to him he says this.

Similar to what Guille did in Inheritance, What Moza did in Jimmy Neutron, and what Mac has done in Poetic justice

all of them have ended up with a 1v1 with me, and all of them had tried to disengage it, making any credible statement I had made against them look less credible by muddying and attacking it. all the while, none of them have even attempted to try and discern my alignment within these 1v1's which is pretty much what Neo was doing, though the trolling is a little weird. Don't think Scum have attempted to troll me befoer

Borophil is scum

He's showing alot of the traits that I usually see Scum do

and the traits I have caught are outlined in my links

The way he is engaging with my continued press on him is Reminiscent of Moza in the way he is trying to make my points seem less valid (you said you read that game, right?)

and, with Guille, it's something similar but there is also something in the way he has backed off (or, rather is starting to) and in how he is starting to see that I'm not going to be a viable mislynch meanwhile, Calling the deathtunnel a scumtell (it isn't, and even if it was I'm not even doing that) so that, I maybe might stop attacking him

He's tried to set up mislynches yesterday when I was pushing Neo which is a major contribution to me taking a step back from him

He is also making it sound like I was content with the Sladaar lynch, and even if it was a mistake, he won't admit it. he can't. It makes him look bad, and he can't look bad as scum. Something that town doesn't really care about.

and, aside from that, I have a nice town list and those in my null-list have a few who are leaning town so PoE is also taking place

Mara, just to clarify, did me and Neo both remind you of Moza and Guille?

[BoroPhil]

what does that mean

[BoroPhil]

TOWN
Marcrell
notsci
sakura
Bubba

IDON'TKNOWWHATTOTHINK
Nacho
Bert
marquis

SCUM
Borophil

this btw is Mara's list of reads. She has one person pegged as scum. one. the rest is so non-committal it's unbelievable. and now we have the latest 'oh well nacho might be town, but then again he might be scum, oh but I usually don't know and oh well BoroPhil is scum at least'

leaving me aside ofc Mara, any thoughts on the rest of the scumteam?

I think I mostly have scum reads against people that don't seem to think out what they're doing. Which is why I'm easily fooled by hard-working scum. Anyways, asking someone to sheep them asks them to vote someone just because you did. If the reasons are good enough they probably will without your request. Notscience explained it earlier and so I'm not really against that one post anymore.

So you think that I'm scummy because I don't think out what I'm doing, correct? You say that because I asked notscience to sheep me; this is scummy because I should let my case stand on its own and have absolute faith that it will go through to a lynch. But, I generally have provided cases when I've voted, after the fact or before the fact. So I AM thinking out what I'm doing. Not believing in my case standing on its own is something different entirely; why is that scummy? And if you're not against that one post anymore, why are you still voting me?

@Nacho: What do you like about graygnarl's entrance which was a single sentence that pretty much was a huge misrep and a vote?

The rest of the entrance was good; he was aggressive and flippant, which are towntells for most people.

again I will ask everyone - what on earth about Mara's play makes you think she is town?

Plenty? I'm also not so interested in explaining it because she's probably not getting lynched today.

this btw is Mara's list of reads. She has one person pegged as scum. one. the rest is so non-committal it's unbelievable. and now we have the latest 'oh well nacho might be town, but then again he might be scum, oh but I usually don't know and oh well BoroPhil is scum at least'

leaving me aside ofc Mara, any thoughts on the rest of the scumteam?

She has solid townreads.
I don't care that she doesn't have more than one scum pegged. Why do you?

so you think her reads are good? do you think I'm scum?

at this stage of the game, I'd hope for a few more ideas on who is scum. it just smacks of her trying to hedge her bets because she knows she is on shaky ground.

why would you not explain why she is town? why does whether she gets lynched today be relevant?

[BoroPhil]

and assuming Marangal will yet again not answer my question above, does anyone else know what '...' means?

[BoroPhil]

well the one above for starters. do I need to list the rest again? hang on