Open 534 - Killing at the Frat (Day 5)

[bubbajack8]

VOTE: Sakura Hana The club can't even handle me.

[bubbajack8]

VOTE: startfromtheheart For using an either-or-fallacy.

[bubbajack8]

Either Or fallacy, it's a fallacy that suggests you do something or something not related happens.

"If you support Breast Cancer Awareness, vote Nacho"

Either you vote Nacho, or you don't support Breast Cancer Awareness.

Only scum would do such a thing!

[bubbajack8]

I'm quite disappointed in this Nacho wagon... Well more disappointed there's no counter wagon. ):

[bubbajack8]

doesn't notscience's count?

if

you jumped on, he would have 3?

Look at bold. Look at my vote. Look at last comment.

[bubbajack8]

doesn't notscience's count?

if

you jumped on, he would have 3?

Look at bold. Look at my vote. Look at last comment.

I'm afraid you are going to have to explain this one

Would it appear I'm jumping on Notscience's.

[bubbajack8]

Wake's trying to force a Nacho BW for "free nachos" but what scum motivation is there for that.

And if you want free nachos you should unvote him so he can remain free (;

[bubbajack8]

I'm more concerned about bubba wanting a nacho counter wagon, then he not jumping on ns to create a counter wagon himself, so i decided to try a counter wagon on him instead.

I see where confusion came, and I'll answer this post

doesn't notscience's count?

if

you jumped on, he would have 3?

Look at bold. Look at my vote. Look at last comment.

I'm afraid you are going to have to explain this one

Would it appear I'm jumping on Notscience's.

hang on.

you expressed disappointment at the lack of a counter-wagon
yet one was available to you
if you were so disappointed, why didn't you jump on it?

In hopes to answer you.

My counter-wagon was startsfromthehearts, the first person to vote Nacho. I see now that notscience was the 2nd on, sakura 3rd, Mario4 4th.

THEN I voted startsfromthehearts.

That's 4 on Nacho, 2 on not. So sure not was there, but Not was asking what an either-or fallacy was, so I wasn't going to vote him when he's asking me to explain my vote in RVS. And I honestly don't like startsfromthehearts continued badly drawn reasons for voting Nacho (granted it is RVS, but instead of helping he's just posting memes.)

[bubbajack8]

What's an alt?

What every alt says.

[bubbajack8]

right. so you are quite defensive of not, even at this early stage. interesting.

I'm sorry but I don't feel like I'm "defending him" I just said I'm not jumping on his "wagon" and gave reasons as to why I was not jumping on his wagon. I did not give reasons to get off his wagon, nor did I try to convince people not to vote him. I gave my reasons for not voting him at this current time, and you can take it as you will.

Alright, time to start playing.

Defensiveness, as you know, is not always indicative of guilt my friend.

In fact, aggression, like defensiveness, are neutral behaviors.

The eternal ordeal is discovering the intentions behind them.

Finally something actually contributing. (sort of) None the less, you haven't been aggressive, or defensive, so why point out they are neutral?

I can't really say that being defensive is a hard scum tell, but it can be. Last game I got in trouble for being overly defensive but I wasn't scum. But considering the mafia needs to make sure people think they're town, it can be an indicator as well.

yes, but defending someone else for no real reason at this stage is quite interesting

Not was asking what an either-or fallacy was, so I wasn't going to vote him when he's asking me to explain my vote in RVS.

I'm sorry is this not a real reason? Really you'd make a better argument to say I'm defending Nacho.

[bubbajack8]

oh i dunno mostly cuz i forgot i was voting the guy i'm voting

You're voting Wake and he has a scum role pm and needs to die

Nacho isn't even voting anyone.

Just went to check. MM is correct. Which would explain how Nacho "forgot who he was voting". the question is why is notscience pushing Wake? And saying that Nacho is voting him when he's not.

@Boro: You want to give reasons besides just saying it's "interesting?" -_-

[bubbajack8]

oh i dunno mostly cuz i forgot i was voting the guy i'm voting

You're voting Wake and he has a scum role pm and needs to die

Nacho isn't even voting anyone.

Just went to check. MM is correct. Which would explain how Nacho "forgot who he was voting". the question is why is notscience pushing Wake? And saying that Nacho is voting him when he's not.

@Boro: You want to give reasons besides just saying it's "interesting?" -_-

Already said why I'm pushing wake, and I judged based on the votecount which was incorrect. So.

Isn't Mario doing the same?

oh i dunno mostly cuz i forgot i was voting the guy i'm voting

You're voting Wake and he has a scum role pm and needs to die

Nacho isn't even voting anyone.

Just went to check. MM is correct. Which would explain how Nacho "forgot who he was voting". the question is why is notscience pushing Wake? And saying that Nacho is voting him when he's not.

@Boro: You want to give reasons besides just saying it's "interesting?" -_-

It all seems a bit fake. You bemoan the lack of a counterwagon, despite one being there, then when one is pointed out to you, you come up with some anti-reasons. now you bring out a barrage of smileys.

not convinced at all.

Last time someone had a problem with my smiley usage I was town and they were town. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5188016 My 65 kibbles 66.

[bubbajack8]

What makes Nacho > mario? That's my question.

[bubbajack8]

Wake.

Mario is a newbie. Wake isn't.

that's correct. Saw I had Nacho quoted in the post and jumped to conclusions. that's what I get for not making sure. Sorry.

[bubbajack8]

You want to give reasons besides just saying you don't like it?

[bubbajack8]

@Startfromtheheart: Are you Saki? Holy carp.

[bubbajack8]

Welcome ETL! Who is Marcwell?

[bubbajack8]

?
I think theres a good chance both of you are scum buddies though.

Woah a little quick there.

Why?

Nevermind.

[bubbajack8]

Welcome ETL! Who is Marcrell?

I am a relatively new player who has played two games on the site before and may be a bit overconfident in how much I think I know about the game. I'm not sure.

I like to hear it!

I swear I posted something earlier. not and bubba are still scum.

Your case is great.

Good enough for me!

Unvote
Vote: ETL

When we are positing actual reasons on everybody else, gut suffices?

[bubbajack8]

When we are positing actual reasons on everybody else, gut suffices?

I trust Nacho's gut.

After ETL's last post. This especially popped out to me (see quote) and I can agree with the vote. Not the reason behind it.

NS is my top scum read. His push on wake was baseless. And, I might add, incorrect. Again. I'll expand in the case I'm working on.

There are other people who have had baseless pushes. Why pick NS over others? Because he was pushing on you.

Furthermore:

VOTE: Wake

You're asking for reads without trying to stimulate conversation. That whole 49 looks forced.

He provides a reason there.

i thought her case was "the push on my slot was baseless"
aka bullshit

This.

Welcome ETL! Who is Marcrell?

I am a relatively new player who has played two games on the site before and may be a bit overconfident in how much I think I know about the game. I'm not sure.

I like to hear it!

I swear I posted something earlier. not and bubba are still scum.

Your case is great.

Good enough for me!

Unvote
Vote: ETL

When we are positing actual reasons on everybody else, gut suffices?

if you are implying that is my case, you are obviously forgetting our earlier interactions. or not forgetting them as the case may be.

Your Case:

doesn't notscience's count?

if

you jumped on, he would have 3?

Look at bold. Look at my vote. Look at last comment.

I'm afraid you are going to have to explain this one

Would it appear I'm jumping on Notscience's.

hang on.

you expressed disappointment at the lack of a counter-wagon
yet one was available to you
if you were so disappointed, why didn't you jump on it?

Reason 1 I'm scum: I was disappointed in lack of counter wagon but someone else believed there to be a counter wagon, that I didn't join. Even though I had already expressed I didn't think the "counter-wagon" was scum.

right. so you are quite defensive of not, even at this early stage. interesting.

Reason 2 I'm scum: I'm "defensive" of not

More interesting reactions...

Reason 3: I'm scum: Interesting reactions.

It all seems a bit fake. You bemoan the lack of a counterwagon, despite one being there, then when one is pointed out to you, you come up with some anti-reasons. now you bring out a barrage of smileys.

not convinced at all.

Reason 4: I seem fake.

Reason 5: I defended myself with anti-reasons

Reason 6: I brought out a barrage of smileys.

Great case man. Real great.

furthermore: I love your usage of interesting

Spoiler:

interesting.

quite interesting

More interesting

You only went into depth what interesting meant once. And that's when I used my "barrage of smilies"

UNVOTE:

[bubbajack8]

lol fuck you ns. That's totally not even the point of that post AT ALL and the fact that you are attempting to twist it that way is pretty indicative.

Care to explain the actual point?

No dude. It's "I have no idea what's going on because end of the month = deadline at work" and shit just got fucked up. We're done today so I finally don't have to work at home or on the weekend, and can spend some time with this game.

Then instead of getting pissed off as you did in the post say "Sorry guys but I have a lot of work to do. I'll post my case soon" etc.

[bubbajack8]

Post 237 was posted today at 10:30 and Post 223 was Oct. 31st. November 1st was "tomorrow".

And Post 223 has nothing to do with work overload. I'm calling Bs.

VOTE: ETL

[bubbajack8]

I also find it interesting how aggressive and rude you are being. It comes off as very defensive.

I like when someone explains WHAT is interesting. Thank you.

Also I'm liking ETL's responses right now. So I'm going to

UNVOTE:

Sit Back, Relax, and Enjoy the show.

[bubbajack8]

Let's keep it civil.

My recap:

I still don't like ETL's 252 as explained in my 253.

ETL says that NS's case on wake is poor. The reason (NS) used is okay, but was used improperly (according to ETL).

NS rewords ETL's question.

ETL accuses NS of question dodging. Asks him if his case is worthy for a vote. Also finds it interesting how agressive and rude he's being. Find's it defensive.

Notsicence is happy with his case. And says his "defensiveness" is not putting up with scumshit.

ETL says he's not scum and says NS isn't considering that or trying to find other scum.

NS says why bother consider something that isn't true, and says ETL's scumbuddies are in the lurkers.

ETL AGAIN says that NS has failed to show proof of him being scum. And says his IOS has 0 intention for finding scum.

NS asks if ETL is trying to lecture him. says that ETL already said he can't justify his predecessor. Says he's not pressuring lurkers like scum normally do. Claims he'll find scum after ETL flip.

ETL votes NS. Asks NS serious questions. Says NS's "you said you can't justify your predecessor" is bull. Quotes post where NS got it from.

Ns responds to serious questions. Reinterates scum in lurkers. Says he's had a bad 3 days.

ETL responds to NS' questions with questions. Says hes sorry NS is having a rough time. Claims he's produced more content then NS in 24 hours.

NS gives points to his vote. says Don't 1v1 me.

I'm thinking NS is scum

Spoiler:

this

So ETL, is there something I'm missing here, or is this actually what you're claiming is too little for this point in the game?

Is a dodge of this.

So, ns, is there something I'm missing here, or is this actually what you're claiming is your case on my slot?

doesn't actually answer the question until 287.

Half the playerlist is lurking. Your scumbuds are in the lurkers.

Claims scum is in lurkers.

So I am scum for not pressuring lurkers? Like scum do for easy lynches? Do tell. I already said we can find your scumfuck friends after we lynch you.

Worries about self-appearance even though he thinks scum are in lurkers.

Why did you try to cultivate other reads on the rest of the playerlist?

Because they're lurking. For assorted reasonings, some being newbies. What'll we get for pressuring them? Newbie flail.

Another reason for no pressure on lurkers. Doesn't want newbie flail. I think that NS doesn't want to pressure the lurkers because his scum buddy is a lurker. I'd also like to say I think it's a new person. As he's worried about newbie flail. It's one thing to be worried about mislynching someone, but to just worry about newbie flail is sad.

Overall: Notscience is convinced that ETL's scum is in the lurkers. But shows that he doesn't want to pressure them for fear of his self-image, and fear of "newbie flail".

P:edit; Perfect Notscience.

1) No content. So, I'm scum for 0 content when half the playerlist is lurking and yet you call out none? Instead, you say I'm not going after other reads. What are you doing exactly? Oh, focusing on me.

More about lurkers. Disgust in ETL's focus on him, even though what are his options? Let you walk all over him? And aren't You doing the same?

2) I am pressuring you instead of lurkers- Weird, you don't seem to be doing that. Hypocrisy much?

More about lurkers. when has ETL expressed that he thinks a lurker could be scum? you just said that ETL was focused on you.

PP:Edit Is this good enough reason for a vote on you Not? Even though your reasons are splotchy? And who gave YOU the authority to dictate that "Anyone not voting ETLScum needs to provide a reason why their person is more scummy or more deserving of a vote as of this post. It must be included in your next post."

So controlling.

VOTE: NotScience

[bubbajack8]

Bubba, please replace your vote on me, as this is not going to be resolved any other way. When I flip town, you can lynch ns.

Lynching a (probable) town resolves nothing. Especially

IF

this is a TvT

[bubbajack8]

Then do it. I don't care what happens, and I'd rather focus on the game-aspects of what ya'll said then others that are presented. From the in-game aspects, I think NS is scum as pointed in my post.

[bubbajack8]

The pong games ended, and the sweet bros grew tense. There were still killers among them, and they didn't know whom they would strike next.

Vote Count 1.07:

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Dry-Fit – Marcrell
bubbajack8 – REGINA+, BoroPhil
startfromtheheart – Neonizer
EspeciallyTheLies – notscience, Nachomamma8, Sakura Hana, EspeciallyTheLies
Nachomamma8 – Mario4, Ms Marangal
notscience – bubbajack8, Dry-Fit
Sakura Hana – startfromtheheart

Not voting: Nobody

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-07 11:29:24)

Mario4 and Neonizer are being prodded.
Sakura Hana V/LA through Monday.

One last note: Please keep the game as civil as possible. I will start giving out warnings and force replacing people if it escalates.

This count was wrong. Boro was on notscience at the time of posting.

As of

current

(if nothing else was wrong) it is

Dry-Fit – Marcrell
bubbajack8 – REGINA+,
startfromtheheart – Neonizer
EspeciallyTheLies – notscience, Nachomamma8, Sakura Hana, Mario4
Nachomamma8 – Ms Marangal
notscience – bubbajack8, Dry-Fit, BoroPhil, EspeciallyTheLines
Sakura Hana – startfromtheheart

Posted because I wanted to see who had how many votes.

I have looked into it, and have moved votes accordingly (I moved Dry-Fit's vote incorrectly as well)

[bubbajack8]

You just said it in 2)

[bubbajack8]

But yet you care to much about your self image to "stimulate conversation, question, and pressure" the lurkers whom you think are scum.

[bubbajack8]

Finally. Holy crap. Now can we move on.

AND OMG HI GIF!

[bubbajack8]

Can you pl0x stop death tunneling oh my gosh.

[bubbajack8]

If there are 2 talking right now can you please sign your posts?

[bubbajack8]

You'll be able to tell us apart quite easily, Mr.whydoieventry.

yeong, I don't know about that

[bubbajack8]

Bubba was

when? You've got me confused.

[bubbajack8]

Finally. Holy crap. Now can we move on.

AND OMG HI GIF!

IAWTP

He drew scum though ;(

I don't think any "he" replaced out. Sooooo we're safe!

I was talking about the replace out, and how we;ll have less your bad arguments, and actual arguments.

[bubbajack8]

Doesn't mean you've stopped death tunneling though.

[bubbajack8]

Are you trying to say because they're a replacement that my read on them should be dilluted?

I'm saying that you really should look at other people. You haven't all you've done is claim the scum's in the lurkers and you'll find them after.

it's Day 2 now and you're confirmed scum, was HE LYING????

Still Day 1.

That's not called being paranoid, I reckon.

my play in 1429 was pretty paranoia-inducing, Nacho was paranoid in that game and said so himself

ETL also quit as town in 1462 under almost the same circumstances =/

that was my last game with ETL (and only)

fun facts eh?

P-edit: YES YOU CAN I am interrupting your spam so we look coordinated!

What was ETL's role in that game?

If I had to tell you to your face, I'd say Bubba and Boro are together and there was distancing going on, SORRY

I have to tell you <Bubba, Boro>, and the two newbs and Mara could easily be scum

that's gut only though...Boro's last OMGUS on me was...opportunistic

Sorry I'm being so confusing!

Distancing? Serious? Did you miss him attacking me?

Mara seemed ok with letting all that crap pile up in the thread.

what's your conclusion about Mara, ffery or whoever you are??

I want to go back and look at what was happening in the thread when she was posting. But, a big huge ugly t v t fight is awesome for scum. They can let it run, they can encourage it, they can vote whichever side is losing the yelling contest, and they might even get a mislynch out of it.

All I remember about mara is that I don't remember her commenting on it one way or another, which could be alignment neutral, but I'm a little concerned. I don't have her in my top tier town pile.

this is true, and I got to worrying when ETL started voting himself. (Which is why I refused to vote him) Because if ETL flipped town, that's an almost too easy lynch on NS. and if NS was town, we made a big mistake. I still don't think notscience is town though.

anyone targetting me is looking for an easy lynch.

I don't like this.

And I don't like the 5 pages I just had to go through. So inflated.

[bubbajack8]

bubba, I think by distancing they mean that by attacking each other we are scum making it look like we aren't on the same side

Who is "they"? Has more than one player made that argument?

Maybe he was to lazy to see who was making the argument.

who's we? are you speaking for more than one player?

SoundsofSilence is a hydra between GiF and ffery

Regina's vote for bubba at #100 was fine. Bubba's response to being questioned was to throw out a few smileys. scumcity.

@Boro: You want to give reasons besides just saying it's "interesting?" -_-

Actually my smileys were directed toward you, and your lack of questions.

and as for bubba, did you manage to read the first few pages?

I read every page in a frenzy of catch-up last night. I could mostly follow bubba's reasoning. GiF has played with bubba and has a light town meta read to go along with our impressions from this game.

GiF's played with me ALOT.

bert's town
sos is town
#easymode

Why is SoS town Nacho

I really really really really really think they're scum

(continues Death tunnel)

[bubbajack8]

Vote: Mario4

omfg this read is gold gold gold

What read?

[bubbajack8]

Mario's at 5. I don't know if I think he's scum. But if he flips town, I'm going after Nachomama. I have class to go to until 4. (4 hours to dealdline) and I may not be home till 7 (1 hour to deadline)

[bubbajack8]

Mario's at 5. I don't know if I think he's scum. But if he flips town, I'm going after Nachomama. I have class to go to until 4. (4 hours to dealdline) and I may not be home till 7 (1 hour to deadline)

[bubbajack8]

571 was posted at 8:44 here. Which means Deadline is 7:43 pm here.

[bubbajack8]

Derp. 9:27 am is deadline.

[bubbajack8]

But if he flips town, I'm going after Nachomama.

Why?

Who started the Mario wagon with no reason even though I asked?

Vote: Mario4

omfg this read is gold gold gold

I even asked.

What read?

You are stating obvious things here or being deliberately obtuse. The hydra thing has already been explained. regina's vote was linked to your smileys, which I know were directed at me, we've discussed it.

1. I post replies as I read. As of current this is all I've read. When I post, I usually read through everything. And usually things that have been resolved I strikeout.

2. regina's vote, and my smileys had nothing in common. My smilies had nothing in common with being questioned either. at the beginning of the line it says "@Boro" Everything in that line is directed towards you.

Mario is just an easy vote. No way of knowing whatsoever if he is scum/town. but I do imagine scum would be keen to get on it.

Hey look we agree on something.

but I do imagine scum would be keen to get on it.

There's 5 votes on him according to what SoS said, if that's what scum would do then at least 2 of those votes are guaranteed town, which makes it null. If anything im thinking scum would be more keen to be away from it.

Uh I said he had 5 votes. Why would scum pass up an easy chance at a ml under the guise of "Deadline"

too scummy to be scum doesn't exist. if I'm scummy, vote for me. again start, this is just noise.

I agree too scummy to be scum doesn't make sense. But I think he voted you before, to which you gave him a goold ole pile of OMGUS. (If my memory's correct....)

eh, has marquis replaced regina?

Yes Marquis was an alt.

(scum: wake > notsci > bubba)

Are the quotes in this post indicative of why you find these players as scum? Or what? And what a post spam.

[bubbajack8]

But if he flips town, I'm going after Nachomama.

Why?

Who started the Mario wagon with no reason even though I asked?

Vote: Mario4

omfg this read is gold gold gold

I even asked.

What read?

You are stating obvious things here or being deliberately obtuse. The hydra thing has already been explained. regina's vote was linked to your smileys, which I know were directed at me, we've discussed it.

1. I post replies as I read. As of current this is all I've read. When I post, I usually read through everything. And usually things that have been resolved I strikeout.

2. regina's vote, and my smileys had nothing in common. My smilies had nothing in common with being questioned either. at the beginning of the line it says "@Boro" Everything in that line is directed towards you.

Mario is just an easy vote. No way of knowing whatsoever if he is scum/town. but I do imagine scum would be keen to get on it.

Hey look we agree on something.

but I do imagine scum would be keen to get on it.

There's 5 votes on him according to what SoS said, if that's what scum would do then at least 2 of those votes are guaranteed town, which makes it null. If anything im thinking scum would be more keen to be away from it.

Uh I said he had 5 votes. Why would scum pass up an easy chance at a ml under the guise of "Deadline"

too scummy to be scum doesn't exist. if I'm scummy, vote for me. again start, this is just noise.

I agree too scummy to be scum doesn't make sense. But I think he voted you before, to which you gave him a goold ole pile of OMGUS. (If my memory's correct....)

eh, has marquis replaced regina?

Yes Marquis was an alt.

(scum: wake > notsci > bubba)

Are the quotes in this post indicative of why you find these players as scum? Or what? And what a post spam.

[bubbajack8]

But if he flips town, I'm going after Nachomama.

Why?

Who started the Mario wagon with no reason even though I asked?

Vote: Mario4

omfg this read is gold gold gold

I even asked.

What read?

You are stating obvious things here or being deliberately obtuse. The hydra thing has already been explained. regina's vote was linked to your smileys, which I know were directed at me, we've discussed it.

1. I post replies as I read. As of current this is all I've read. When I post, I usually read through everything. And usually things that have been resolved I strikeout.

2. regina's vote, and my smileys had nothing in common. My smilies had nothing in common with being questioned either. at the beginning of the line it says "@Boro" Everything in that line is directed towards you.

Mario is just an easy vote. No way of knowing whatsoever if he is scum/town. but I do imagine scum would be keen to get on it.

Hey look we agree on something.

but I do imagine scum would be keen to get on it.

There's 5 votes on him according to what SoS said, if that's what scum would do then at least 2 of those votes are guaranteed town, which makes it null. If anything im thinking scum would be more keen to be away from it.

Uh I said he had 5 votes. Why would scum pass up an easy chance at a ml under the guise of "Deadline"

too scummy to be scum doesn't exist. if I'm scummy, vote for me. again start, this is just noise.

I agree too scummy to be scum doesn't make sense. But I think he voted you before, to which you gave him a goold ole pile of OMGUS. (If my memory's correct....)

eh, has marquis replaced regina?

Yes Marquis was an alt.

(scum: wake > notsci > bubba)

Are the quotes in this post indicative of why you find these players as scum? Or what? And what a post spam.

[bubbajack8]

and I think you emphasise my point on startfromtheheart. he did vote for me earlier, but there was no sound reasoning behind it and now he flipflops around. why not stick on me if he is so sure?

Agree. As to the smileys. You'd have to ask Marquis. I thought you were saying my reaction to being questioned was to respond with smileys.

[bubbajack8]

dryfit, I find it interesting that you called me town early on, but not seem to be getting pissy with me for quoting an entire post of yours. bit strange.

You really do like to use the word "interesting."

the more i look at it the more unappealing the mario lynch looks

Why? You haven't said anything about Mario and aren't really attacking the people pushing his wagon.

Unvote.
Vote: Marquis.

I found scum guys.
[spoiler="My hastily thrown together reasons why I don't like Dry]

Top three scumreads: REGINA, Sakura, Boro.

Early scum reads. No problems.

Well Mario is pretty much the ideal compromise deadline lynch. Would have preferred Marquis or Boro though.

Unvote.
Vote: Mario4.

follows into a compromise lynch.

Unvote.
Vote: Marquis.

follows another lynch.

In general his game has been go with the flow. I don't like it.

I alos feel like I'm misrepping him though, and he did say early on Marquis was a scum read of his, but I still don't like the compromise lynch, and his go with the flow attitude.[/spoiler]

For now my vote stays. FOR NOW.

The fact you AUTOMATICALLY say that AtE looks town

without so much as looking into other perspectives

is bad. Now, provide a legitimate reason or bus.

Did you really just say that?

Literally the only reason you've said that is the AtE.

I repeat, provide a legitimate reason or bus.

Are, Are you serious?

[bubbajack8]

so just because i haven't said anything about something before it means i'm not allowed to say anything about it now

No. My point is you're saying you don't like a Mario vote without giving any reasons why and without it really fitting with the view of the game you've presented in thread.

I alos feel like I'm misrepping him though, and he did say early on Marquis was a scum read of his, but I still don't like the compromise lynch, and his go with the flow attitude.

Going with the flow is kind of what you have to do when it comes down to a deadline lynch. I have a sense of urgency about it more than most of the people here because I've noticed the high amount of lurking on MS recently. That hasn't been happening in this game the last couple days, but still here we are with no one lynched and under 10 hours til deadline.

Sound of Silence I would recommend you move your vote back to Marquis. That would give him five votes. If I move back to Mario, that only makes four votes for him.

A nl is better then a ml and 2 townies dead.

[bubbajack8]

A nl is better then a ml and 2 townies dead.

Maybe in another setup you could make that case, but not here. Town has no prs so no lynching would do nothing but waste one of our mislynches. I would self-hammer to prevent no lynch in this setup.

The mis-lynch mentality is so scummy. I would vote you if we weren't crunching at deadline.

I'll be looking heavily at the people that forced a no lynch

(notscience, SoS, bubba)

I'm on not, one of the larger wagons TYVM.

I believe we can still hammer even though deadline expired.

[bubbajack8]

I'll be looking heavily at the people that forced a no lynch

(notscience, SoS, bubba)

Final Vote Count 1.11:

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Mario4 – Nachomamma8, Neonizer
Sound of Silence –

notscience

notscience –

bubbajack8

, Marquis,

Sakura Hana

, BoroPhil, Marcrell, Dry-Fit
Marquis – startfromtheheart, Dry-Fit, Mario4,

Sound of Sielence

Not voting: Ms Marangal, Marcrell

Day 1 ends in a NO-LYNCH

Flavor:

The bros stood around, drunkenly pointing fingers at one another. They could not resolve to expel any from the group, and they switched back and forth among whom they thought to be the killers. Each felt the weight of the beery stupor, and as the sun rose, they felt the grasp of sleep slowly encompass them. Each wandered drunkenly upstairs to a couch, where they could pass out, waiting for the afternoon. The hangover would be brutal...

Three oh so tricky ones, however, had tricked them all. They had taken Berocca, and were waiting for the others to pass out to strike.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-09 22:51:45). Anyone with night actions has until then to submit them.

The only player who really forced a NL was Not, neo, nacho, mrs mangal, and marcell. There were 2 wagons they could have joined. The fact you posted this 3 people seems VERY forced.

VOTE: Sakura

[bubbajack8]

The fact you posted this 3 people seems VERY forced.

Actually I didn't realize you were voting ns since before. Tbf ns forced a no lynch by voting SoS and then leaving like "screw deadline"

Which makes it seem more forced. You thought that me, sos, and not were "forcing a nl" When in reality you failed to check. NS I understand. Me and SOS were on wagons that actually could have gone somewhere.

[bubbajack8]

The fact you posted this 3 people seems VERY forced.

Actually I didn't realize you were voting ns since before. Tbf ns forced a no lynch by voting SoS and then leaving like "screw deadline"

Which makes it seem more forced. You thought that me, sos, and not were "forcing a nl" When in reality you failed to check. NS I understand. Me and SOS were on wagons that actually could have gone somewhere.

If anything YOUR statements feel like they are following some sort of scum agenda, you yourself said yesterday that it was better to no lynch than lynch town, which means you wanted to force a no lynch on purpose. According to this post:

A nl is better then a ml and 2 townies dead.

And then after deadline had expired, you post something like this because you messed up and wanted to look more town:

I believe we can still hammer even though deadline expired.

Which is funny how you telegraphed your own scum agenda with your RVS Vote:

VOTE: Sakura Hana The club can't even handle me.

Unvote
Vote: bubba

A nl is better then a ml. I stand by that, and I can see how you got confused there, but you still failed to double check on me, and SOS. You just knew what I had said and that you could scrape by with it.
I did say you could still hammer after deadline. Who was avaliable for hammering? Oh NS. And oh would you look at that? I was voting him. Those 2 comments DONT contradict themselves. Good try though.
LOL like RVS has anything to do with anything. And some great BS to go with that OMGUS. (:

[bubbajack8]

does anyone want to think about why SoS was the target? That is good information we have to use. Was it because they were obviously town? Or on to something? Or a double-bluff? Thoughts, please.

There seems to be a cliché that Night kill analysis is WIFOM-y. Do you agree with that cliché?

VOTE: Sakura

Eh. Have you played with Sakura before?

She replaced out of a game I was in.

[bubbajack8]

Can you find another game we played in?

[bubbajack8]

I'm getting real tired of Boro's "Everyone explain why you aren't voting ___"

Sakura seems town now after reviewing our only town game. UNVOTE:

[bubbajack8]

Neo - want to expand on that?

Again, I have explained. you aren't reading or are choosing to pretend you aren't. It's nothing to do with liking, I've obviously caught you out on something you didn't expect to be caught out on.

Bubba - apologies if I am boring you. fancy doing some scum hunting yourself instead of criticising other people's? or maybe you don't want to because you and neo are scum together?

You've decided Sakura is town. well done you.

Did you fail to see I just fell off a scum read.

Sakura seems town now after reviewing our only town game.

So your thought process went to Sakura's town upon reviewing your only town game with her. What led to this change of mind specifically??

Her posts are short in that game as well. And her style is the same.

[bubbajack8]

do you even know my meta

F Meta.

pedit the fact that it's a wagon on me makes me think some people are going for the easy lynch again and i really think mara is being purposefully obstinate regarding my meta and supposed fake AtE

Actually you are becoming scummy, and drawing at straws now.

[bubbajack8]

Lel. Nacho, very nice. Is it because I've called you scummy as well?

[bubbajack8]

yes

why am i not surprised you fail to give good reason again.

do you wanna vote bubba with me guys
i know you don't trust me
but we can change that with a couple scumflips!

Or maybe you'll lose their trust with a couple town flips. you know what. I'm interested in who you HAVENT voted.

[bubbajack8]

Vote: EspeciallyTheLies

REGINA+, please stop lurking. You know people lynch you when you lurk, so don't do it

TOWN:
SFTH (whoever that is)
NS
Marangal
Sakura Hana
Neonizer
Dry-Fit
EspeciallyTheLies
Marcrell

mebbe town:
BoroPhil

LEFTOVERS:
Mario4
REGINA+
Bubba

Vote: REGINA+

Vote: Mario4

omfg this read is gold gold gold

Vote: Mario4

Vote: Bubbajack

All your votes. All with little - NO reasoning, yet you have the Audacity to say this?

you missed out #618, which links to #619. again, try actually reading the whole thread like someone who was TOWN would do, rather than just search for your name lazily like someone who is SCUM would do

This is not the best reasoning I've ever seen.

Is this really how you play?

[bubbajack8]

Yeah. That second one, I discredited you, you have no credibility to what you said in that second one, in fact it was hypocritical.

[bubbajack8]

Bubba hasn't told you that he hates you or anything, or asked you to replace out because of your playstyle

I don't hate him. I don't ever tell anyone to replace out. Except fuzzybutternut he's special xD

No he isn't, and that's what's bothering me.

What's different?

[bubbajack8]

Welcome ETL! Who is Marcrell?

I am a relatively new player who has played two games on the site before and may be a bit overconfident in how much I think I know about the game. I'm not sure.

I like to hear it!

I swear I posted something earlier. not and bubba are still scum.

Your case is great.

Good enough for me!

Unvote
Vote: ETL

When we are positing actual reasons on everybody else, gut suffices?

As far as the middle quote goes, bubba is huge on asking other people for cases on hm and then attacking them when he finds fault with them, but isn't much for reasons himself. He pretends like cases against him need to be held up to the highest standard before addressing them; in the post he makes after this one, he literally repeats boro's early case against him and then asks if that's all he got.

This actually goes for everybody Is it wrong for me to expect legit cases in Day 2?

Can you pl0x stop death tunneling oh my gosh.

There's a series of posts where bubba yells at Notscience for death tunneling a bunch, but... Bubba was still scum reading him and trying to get him lynched at that point. Posts like this don't make it seem that way, though.

So your point is? I got tired of death tunneling, if you're trying to say I was being hypocritcial, am I death tunneling him? Or anyone? And didn't you just say earlier I was trying to paint him as town?

I'll be looking heavily at the people that forced a no lynch

(notscience, SoS, bubba)

Final Vote Count 1.11:

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Mario4 – Nachomamma8, Neonizer
Sound of Silence –

notscience

notscience –

bubbajack8

, Marquis,

Sakura Hana

, BoroPhil, Marcrell, Dry-Fit
Marquis – startfromtheheart, Dry-Fit, Mario4,

Sound of Sielence

Not voting: Ms Marangal, Marcrell

Day 1 ends in a NO-LYNCH

Flavor:

The bros stood around, drunkenly pointing fingers at one another. They could not resolve to expel any from the group, and they switched back and forth among whom they thought to be the killers. Each felt the weight of the beery stupor, and as the sun rose, they felt the grasp of sleep slowly encompass them. Each wandered drunkenly upstairs to a couch, where they could pass out, waiting for the afternoon. The hangover would be brutal...

Three oh so tricky ones, however, had tricked them all. They had taken Berocca, and were waiting for the others to pass out to strike.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-09 22:51:45). Anyone with night actions has until then to submit them.

The only player who really forced a NL was Not, neo, nacho, mrs mangal, and marcell. There were 2 wagons they could have joined. The fact you posted this 3 people seems VERY forced.

VOTE: Sakura

You're attacking Sakura because her list wasn't complete? What do you think her angle as scum there was, exactly? Protecting her partner by pretending they didn't contribute to a no lynch? Who the hell would find that an effective tactic?

It's not that it wasn't complete, it's that it was 2/3rds wrong, and hypocritical.

Neo - want to expand on that?

Again, I have explained. you aren't reading or are choosing to pretend you aren't. It's nothing to do with liking, I've obviously caught you out on something you didn't expect to be caught out on.

Bubba - apologies if I am boring you. fancy doing some scum hunting yourself instead of criticising other people's? or maybe you don't want to because you and neo are scum together?

You've decided Sakura is town. well done you.

Did you fail to see I just fell off a scum read.

Sakura seems town now after reviewing our only town game.

So your thought process went to Sakura's town upon reviewing your only town game with her. What led to this change of mind specifically??

Her posts are short in that game as well. And her style is the same.

What do you think would happen to sakura's posting as scum? Long wall posts in an intensely different style? No, probably not. This was a weak reason to stop your push on her and it looks more like you were looking for a reason to get off her wagon because she wasn't going to be an easy mislynch as opposed to anything else.

Didn't I say I hadn't played with her as scum though? Why would I stop trying to push a mislynch if that's what she is? And if I really wanted to "push a ml" wouldn't I have placed my vote somewhere else?

Lel. Nacho, very nice. Is it because I've called you scummy as well?

This was reaching, considering I had been calling him scummy for a while.

Actually you had been calling me LeftOvers for a while.

yes

why am i not surprised you fail to give good reason again.

do you wanna vote bubba with me guys
i know you don't trust me
but we can change that with a couple scumflips!

Or maybe you'll lose their trust with a couple town flips. you know what. I'm interested in who you HAVENT voted.

In response to the last bit,I have voted 4 people in this thread but bubba is acting like I've voted every player in the game in order to diminish my vote on him.

I went and checked, I felt like you had voted a lot of people, but I was wrong, and I posted a post with who you had voted.

To your next post: How can you criticize bad logic if you yourself are doing the same.

[bubbajack8]

And I just realized I messed up. "you just say earlier I was trying to paint him as town?" You said I was painting Boro as town. Mai bad.

[bubbajack8]

Votes have to be on their own line. Whoops.

UNVOTE:

[bubbajack8]

Sure, you can ask for cases. But it's scummy when that's all doing and don't actually respond to cases when they are provided. Glad you responded to mine sort of, though!

When have I not responded to a case?

The points hat your transition to town reading him was weird as fuck and included keeping your vote on him like you weren't town reading him.

Who are we talking about not?

I asked why the list not being complete mattered. You never answered. How the hell was it hypocritical?

And I said it's because the list wasn't even near completion, it was 2/3 wrong. And it was hypocritical because I was voting the same person as her.

What do you expect to see from Sakura scum asked on meta? The answer to your question is no.

A different playstyle. Not to exceedingly different, but something off, and after reading through that game, I don't feel it. She could be a good scum player and transition well, I don't know. Nonetheless.

Leftovers is synonymous with scum.

In that case: Why is Mario4 and Dry-Fit scummy to you?

Because I'm usually joking when I provide bad logic?

So you've been placing votes off of jokes? *raises eyebrow*

[bubbajack8]

Boro's case on you is where you didn't respond, you repeated his reasons and gave him a funny look.

Yes, we are talking about ns.

Why does the list being wrong matter? What was her angle as scum?

POE is my answer for why others ad scummy.

No.

If you are talking about my 241 I had adressed his points earlier.

1. "1 I'm scum: I was disappointed in lack of counter wagon but someone else believed there to be a counter wagon, that I didn't join." But later in that I say "Even though I had already expressed I didn't think the "counter-wagon" was scum."

2. "I'm defensive of not" Responded to this in post 85 with "I'm sorry but I don't feel like I'm "defending him" I just said I'm not jumping on his "wagon" and gave reasons as to why I was not jumping on his wagon. I did not give reasons to get off his wagon, nor did I try to convince people not to vote him. I gave my reasons for not voting him at this current time, and you can take it as you will. "

3. "Interesting reactions" How do I respond to this? I had asked him before to expand on.

In conclusion, I responded to his case.

Trying to paint, or mislynch after the kill. Notice that those 3 didn't die. So she could be scum, or scum picked up and wanted to paint her scummy.

sounds like a cop out to me.

That's what it seems like.

[bubbajack8]

Sad to say this, but I really like Nacho's points on Mario, and his posts are sounding genuine...

VOTE: Mario4

His reasoning on a conf. notscience town confuzzles me, but Mario's a solid read.

[bubbajack8]

and bubba is simply trying to tag onto you here nacho.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bubba

Yes because after I've been attacked, I cling to people. OH wait. I never clinged to you... Awkward. Am I not allowed to be impressed with a read. I said I didn't like one of his reads, but I'm "clinnging to him" Suuure.

Do you see anything wrong with the Mario read, or are you trying to defend your scumbuddy?

And wait till Sakura sees this. Wonder if she'll say the same thing about me voting her as this.

[bubbajack8]

And wait till Sakura sees this. Wonder if she'll say the same thing about me voting her as this.

I've already seen it, dunno what you want me to see.

Which is funny how you telegraphed your own scum agenda with your RVS

[bubbajack8]

Boro has done that repeatedly.

[bubbajack8]

I'm not great at reading Sakura, but she seems pretty darn town after how she pushed you end of D1, the way it all transpired. It reminded me of how my AtE killed her townread on me in 1436 D1. It's the kind of knee-jerk reaction that seems super town. Take what I say with a grain of salt though because I misread her big-time before, but I'm pretty confident with that read IMO gut.

What bugs me about Bubba right now as well is that his read changed on Sakura because her "style" in his last game with her is the same.

Her posts are short in that game as well. And her style is the same.

Man I think my irrational focus is coming back, needed that week-long mini-break.

Vote: Bubbajack

Does nobody get that This:

does anyone want to think about why SoS was the target? That is good information we have to use. Was it because they were obviously town? Or on to something? Or a double-bluff? Thoughts, please.

There seems to be a cliché that Night kill analysis is WIFOM-y. Do you agree with that cliché?

VOTE: Sakura

Eh. Have you played with Sakura before?

She replaced out of a game I was in.

Made me have to find the game I was with Sakura in? And in finding that I read some of her stuff. It's practically the same. Except she's not replacing out.

[bubbajack8]

Made me have to find the game I was with Sakura in? And in finding that I read some of her stuff. It's practically the same. Except she's not replacing out.

I realize you had to find a game, but that is no equalizer nor does it engage us on how your read changed. Styles can be emulated. Sizes of posts can as well, so I was wondering what caused the change of heart.

And I understand that, and commented on it. Sakura even said she thought of herself as a good scum player. If that doesn't suffice, then I'm going to have to do/say something i've never done/said, and say..... gut.

Mrs. so you are basing a Neo scum on past experiences with scum overall?

[bubbajack8]

Marcrell is a big target for me here, I'm surprised no-one else thinks this. drifts through the game, then sticks a vote down on the big wagon of the day?

He said he'd give reasoning when it's not 11 o clock, but I feel you.

I do think scum would try to get somewhere in the middle of a big wagon, but I feel it's to predictable as well. Scum's point is to get town lynched, and if town's doing that just fine, they'll let town do it. Just my thoughts.

[bubbajack8]

So we are basing the wagon on Neo off of one post?

I agree with Neo's comment that Boro is chaining...

[bubbajack8]

If more people were ok with Boro, I would be to. For right now, I like my vote.

@MRS. I was asking if we were really basing the votes on Neo for his ONE post, because that's all I found. I also was also saying I agree with Neo's 1115

[bubbajack8]

If more people were ok with Boro, I would be to.

Why?

I've stated earlier I don't like Boro, and now he's chaining lynches.

I don't like The top 2 wagons getting on him though, and that concerns me.

[bubbajack8]

I am here.

VOTE: No lynch

I need the time to think and we have a nolynch to use so lets use it now.

this destroys any reasoning I had to switch over.

would still very much like a mara/neo lynch, particularly a mara lynch considering how the pressure on her has dissipated but

I am here.

VOTE: No lynch

I need the time to think and we have a nolynch to use so lets use it now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: slandaar

Pretty sure that's hammer.

Mrs. Marangal thoughts: If I copy and paste a quote enough, people will get what I'm thinking.

and again. what is '...' supposed to mean?

what's interesting suppose to mean (;

That doesn't help much.

Now Phil stop being useless; Be revolutionary, sheep confirmed town's plan till endgame. (ie mine).

Not confirmed till flip....

So I just realized that "American guy" Slandaar is going on about is me. Why am I scum Slandaar? Because I didn't switch to the badly cased Neo. I even asked for a better case on him then not liking one post.

You were trying to force a no lynch, im against no lynch, and i cant think of any town reason to try to force a no lynch.

This was said by Sakura D1 in her bad attack towards others. Her continuity is very town.

Aditionally if you really thought Nacho's scum then you'd be voting him instead of voting No Lynch.

This all the way. Even leaving the vote on Neo if you think he's scum is fine!

[bubbajack8]

Town needs to get their shit eventually, I didn't think an additional no lynch would help that much. I also had a decent scumread on you and didn't want you to kill me/coast the rest of the game like you probably would have; I'm sure you understand this much.

If I were scum I just lynch Neo and kill you IF that were what I wanted to do (ie kill you)

Or do you have more elaborate nonsense to explain how that isn't the most logical path I take?

Nacho is scum.

Lynch him tomorrow.

Good to know your opinions, now give us the WHY

[bubbajack8]

What the.

[bubbajack8]

Well at least I don't have to worry about mling Dry-Fit. Why are we voting Mara out of curiosity?

[bubbajack8]

She wasn't even on the lynch.

@Sakura: Uh, we were kind of on a crunch.

[bubbajack8]

your reasoning is great. And it's been 176 posts since you changed your vote off mara. You went to Neo, then to Slandaar.

i was going to make a cheeky response about shirtless male models but then got distracted googling dave franco shirtless @_@

as for the question you're asking for i'm pretty sure i got to everything already

pedit mara i don't think i've ever seen you go that far with this-is-town-viewpoint-conf-bias before.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mara

pedit the fact that it's a wagon on me makes me think some people are going for the easy lynch again and i really think mara is being purposefully obstinate regarding my meta and supposed fake AtE

Well it's not Marquis and Mara is scum, so let's start there.

neo-scum is a really attractive prospect imo but mara-scum is on that so i'm obligated not to follow

I'm not a bro! D:

For some reason everyone seems to be voting Nachomamma for really silly reasons...

I'm assuming this is the RVS stage and it's going to disappear

, but I'm getting the feeling that some people want to try to keep reasoning it and voting Nacho? That doesn't make sense if you're trying to justify something that was illogical in the first place...

Marquis what is this about?

That was me implying that I don't usually expect the RVS wagon to be the Day 1 lynch.

Neo scum sounds good. But Mara scum likes it. Ow.

don't fucking lynch boro yet

UNVOTE:
VOTE: neo

All those posts are how bad your reasoning for a Mara lynch. And then slowly building up enough to change to Neo.

Then

would still very much like a mara/neo lynch, particularly a mara lynch considering how the pressure on her has dissipated but

I am here.

VOTE: No lynch

I need the time to think and we have a nolynch to use so lets use it now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: slandaar

You flip over to Slandaar.

And I really don't like this post.

Id go with marquis today

yeah because you know the alternative for similar reasons would most likely be you

VOTE: Marquis

PEdit: Notscience! <3

[bubbajack8]

So now they're on to the Mara lynch... I'm not seeing it. A bit of claiming she seems off when pushing you, doesn't really show much to me. Plus my confirmation bias of already suspecting Marquis doesn't help.

Do you think 1 of them is scum? Or do you not understand the Mara lynch?

[bubbajack8]

Yeah i was about to say that Boro. I was surprised at the kill, and said what? Dry seemed like an easy -- what is now known as a -- mislynch.

[bubbajack8]

So now they're on to the Mara lynch... I'm not seeing it. A bit of claiming she seems off when pushing you, doesn't really show much to me. Plus my confirmation bias of already suspecting Marquis doesn't help.

Do you think 1 of them is scum? Or do you not understand the Mara lynch?

One of whom? I've been leaning towards Marquis as scum for a while but I don't really understand the Mara lynch either. A bit more explanation from boro just now buy I'm not sold on the idea yet.

Mara/Marquis. I was asking if you were under the assumption that 1 of them was scum. Sorry it came out so weirdly.

@Everyone: What about Boro/Mara? (1 being scum)

[bubbajack8]

@Everyone: What about Boro/Mara? (1 being scum)

If 1 of the 2 are scum i'd lean more on Boro than Mara, because scum Mara cant get Boro lynched anyways no matter how much noise she makes, so she'd have killed him if he was such a nuisance, while Boro has all the ammo in the world to get Mara lynched. So i'd think it's more likely that both are town. I've seen Mara tunnel me like this in monks and masons before.

Very well then.

[bubbajack8]

If Mara was scum I'd think Boro would have died instead as she wasnt able to get him lynched like at all.

Why would Mara want to kill Boro??

Have you seen what Boro's saying? GET YO HEAD IN DA GAME (;

[bubbajack8]

So now they're on to the Mara lynch... I'm not seeing it. A bit of claiming she seems off when pushing you, doesn't really show much to me. Plus my confirmation bias of already suspecting Marquis doesn't help.

Do you think 1 of them is scum? Or do you not understand the Mara lynch?

One of whom? I've been leaning towards Marquis as scum for a while but I don't really understand the Mara lynch either. A bit more explanation from boro just now buy I'm not sold on the idea yet.

Mara/Marquis. I was asking if you were under the assumption that 1 of them was scum. Sorry it came out so weirdly.

@Everyone: What about Boro/Mara? (1 being scum)

Bubba - this almost sounds like you are setting this up for a kill one of us today, the other tomorrow. and yes I know I used the same argument yesterday with neo/mara so I could just be being paranoid.

Look at my vote. I don't think you are Mara are scum. I was curious as to what everyone thought about it, because you two are going back and forth.

But - I've thought you were scum from early on so this would make sense.

Are you trying to convince yourself I'm scum?

I think Start and Sakura are pretty clear town here.

I agree with Sakura town, not with start.

[bubbajack8]

And why do you have to convince yourself I'm scum? Am I doing things that make you think otherwise? If yes, why doesn't your read change?

Look at my vote: Marquis. I'm not going to go looking into interactions between them however, because it's useless without a flip.

[bubbajack8]

I'm not convinced on anyone. If I called everyone town who were 'doing things that make me think otherwise' everyone would be town.

Why do you keep convincing yourself I'm scum then? Why am I scum? What am I doing that convinces you I'm not town? Who else do you have to keep convincing yourself is scum/town?

And going to start reading ISO's and developing reads. From reading Bubba up to a post somewhere in the 800's total I'm leaning town. Provides good reasons and such. I haven't liked his recent play as much so I'm going to finish reading by tomorrow and give you my read with some quotes and such to back it up.

I'm excited.

[bubbajack8]

VOTE: Marquis

[bubbajack8]

EBWOP: I put my vote on the same line last time, ):

[bubbajack8]

So now they're on to the Mara lynch... I'm not seeing it. A bit of claiming she seems off when pushing you, doesn't really show much to me. Plus my confirmation bias of already suspecting Marquis doesn't help.

Do you think 1 of them is scum? Or do you not understand the Mara lynch?

No response to the vote on you?

No, it didn't throw me off. I kind of saw it coming. Notscience I didn't see coming. You've been on me all game, notscience hasn't been that I remember.

[bubbajack8]

your reasoning is great. And it's been 176 posts since you changed your vote off mara. You went to Neo, then to Slandaar.

i was going to make a cheeky response about shirtless male models but then got distracted googling dave franco shirtless @_@

as for the question you're asking for i'm pretty sure i got to everything already

pedit mara i don't think i've ever seen you go that far with this-is-town-viewpoint-conf-bias before.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mara

pedit the fact that it's a wagon on me makes me think some people are going for the easy lynch again and i really think mara is being purposefully obstinate regarding my meta and supposed fake AtE

Well it's not Marquis and Mara is scum, so let's start there.

neo-scum is a really attractive prospect imo but mara-scum is on that so i'm obligated not to follow

I'm not a bro! D:

For some reason everyone seems to be voting Nachomamma for really silly reasons...

I'm assuming this is the RVS stage and it's going to disappear

, but I'm getting the feeling that some people want to try to keep reasoning it and voting Nacho? That doesn't make sense if you're trying to justify something that was illogical in the first place...

Marquis what is this about?

That was me implying that I don't usually expect the RVS wagon to be the Day 1 lynch.

Neo scum sounds good. But Mara scum likes it. Ow.

don't fucking lynch boro yet

UNVOTE:
VOTE: neo

All those posts are how bad your reasoning for a Mara lynch. And then slowly building up enough to change to Neo.

Then

would still very much like a mara/neo lynch, particularly a mara lynch considering how the pressure on her has dissipated but

I am here.

VOTE: No lynch

I need the time to think and we have a nolynch to use so lets use it now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: slandaar

You flip over to Slandaar.

And I really don't like this post.

Id go with marquis today

yeah because you know the alternative for similar reasons would most likely be you

VOTE: Marquis

PEdit: Notscience! <3

Bad reasoning. And Mario's "I'd go with Marquis", and then Marquis saying that Mario was the alternative. Don't like it at all.

[bubbajack8]

What the.

it is also weird how you said this out loud after the flip. it pinged.

Dry seemed like an easy -- what is now known as a -- mislynch.

people aren't gonna call you out for scumslipping if you just say "dry seemed like an easy lynch", you know...

To the first one. The second one clearly conveys everything in the second quote.

To the second quote. Town won't. Scum will. I'm not giving them the opportunity.

[bubbajack8]

I don't think bad reasoning is that strong of a scumtell, bubba.

Did you read the quotes he also softened up to a vote change.

[bubbajack8]

To the second quote. Town won't. Scum will. I'm not giving them the opportunity.

Why not? Seems easy as hell to peg scum if you let them attack you for it.

You're currently the only one attacking me, so you're scum.

I don't like reading people who are attacking me, I feel biast.

I don't think bad reasoning is that strong of a scumtell, bubba.

Did you read the quotes he also softened up to a vote change.

Why is this a bad thing? It's usually a good thing when people show good trajectory when they make their votes; most townies don't swap votes out of the blue, after all.

Did you read the ending, where he flipped his vote out of the blue?

[bubbajack8]

You're currently the only one attacking me, so you're scum.

What?

You said it's easy to peg scum when they're attacking you. You're attacking me.

Did you read the ending, where he flipped his vote out of the blue?

How was it out of the blue when he softened to a vote change?

would still very much like a mara/neo lynch, particularly a mara lynch considering how the pressure on her has dissipated but

I am here.

VOTE: No lynch

I need the time to think and we have a nolynch to use so lets use it now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: slandaar

He did not soften to that one at all. He may claim it was a DL, or because he voted NO one, but he didn't soften to it. It was out of the blue.

[bubbajack8]

Well I messed up the quote tags, but if you read you can see what I meant.

[bubbajack8]

A.

His vote on Slandaar was out of the blue.

[bubbajack8]

My bad. If you read my post he changed gradually to Neo. Slandaar was out of the blue. My bad.

totally laughing my ass off though.

[bubbajack8]

doesn't it. Sorry about that.

[bubbajack8]

LOL! I'm sorry, I totally wasted your time too. I feel more bad about that though.

[bubbajack8]

I haven't changed anything Mara, as you'll notice my vote is still on you. I'm prepared to consider all options though. Sticking rigidly to a position and not considering anything else is a scumtrait I'd say.

^^^

What does, is the fact that I'm here ready to catch scum, and lynch scum today

that's the spirit!

[bubbajack8]

I haven't changed anything Mara, as you'll notice my vote is still on you. I'm prepared to consider all options though. Sticking rigidly to a position and not considering anything else is a scumtrait I'd say.

^^^

What does, is the fact that I'm here ready to catch scum, and lynch scum today

that's the spirit!

what does three pointy-up arrows mean?

Because the last sentence is ridiculously true, and I was impressed with you words.

[bubbajack8]

Do you think Mara is death tunneling you?

There are other players death tunneling.

[bubbajack8]

Sorry. death tunneling = Tunneling without looking at other options, or until the person dies.

[bubbajack8]

you do know what tunneling is though right?

Just in case: Tunneling is keeping your focus on one player. Not scummy in itself. Death tunneling is the next step.

[bubbajack8]

thanks, yeah I knew what tunnelling was, I kind of worked out what death tunnelling was but thanks for clarifying.

who else do you think is doing this?

I'm starting to think I spoke to soon.

Marcell hasn't (Votes on TCold, notscience, Marquis)
Dry-fit Did a little. He voted Regina for 400 posts, and voted Marquis twice. Which makes me think either A: Marquis is scum. B: Scum knows Marquis is a good ml. C: Scum wasn't voted by him. (Votes on Regina (And Marquis), Mario (And Slandaar), Marquis x2 (And regina), notscience, Boro x2, Slandaar (And Mario))
Slandaar voted Neon and No one.
Boro I wouldn't say you've death tunneled, but you've gone back to people a few times. (Votes on not x3, bubba x2, start, neo x3, mara)
Start HASNT(Votes on Nacho x2, Wake, neo x2, Sakura, Boro, SOS, Regina, Marquis, bubba x2)
SOS Obviously likes a Mario or Marquis scum. (Votes on Regina, Boro, Mario x2, Marquis x2)
Nacho likes a Mario scum.... (Votes on ETL, Regina, Mario x3, bubba x2)
Mara likes Maquis and Boro for scum. (Votes on Wake, Marquis x2, Neo, Boro x2)
Not has not. (Votes on Nacho, wake, Mario, bubba)
Sakura LOL (Votes on Nacho x3, bubba x2, ETL, start, mario, marquis x2, not x2, Mara x2, Slandaar x2, Neo)
Marquis eh (Votes on not x2, mario, mara x2, neo, slandaar)
Neo Kept going back to Boro and Slandaar. (Votes on Boro x3, start, Mario, Mara, slandaar x2)

Found this funny.

Which is funny how you telegraphed your own scum agenda with your RVS Vote:

OH MY GOSH. THIS IS SO FUNNY.

pretend wagons are scummy

Indeed.

Vote: Nacho

Unvote
Vote: Nacho

Actually Slandaar might have been on to something wrt Nacho, and I still feel his play off in this game...

Vote: Nacho

You re-aligned with your RVS TWICE! Don't know where I'm going with it, but it's funny.

People who have never had a vote on them: Marcell, Dry, aphix (Was replaced).

OK SO I UNDERSTAND THE DRY DEATH NOW. NOW WHAT DID SOS AND DRY HAVE IN COMMON.

Dry fit voted Regina first.
SOS FOLLOWED SUIT IN 520. DRY WAS STILL VOTING REGINA FROM 115!
544 SOS changes to boro.
600 SOS Changes to Mario
601 DRY CHANGES TO MARIO.
623 SOS changes to Marquis.
678 DRY CHANGES TO MARQUIS.
720 SOS changes to Mario.
735 SOS changes back to Marquis.
740 Dry changes to Not.
794 Dry changes to Boro.
951 Dry changes to Marquis.
1139 Dry changes to Boro.
1212 Dry changes to Slandaar.

Dry and SOS were voting Regina together first, then Mario, then Marquis.

DRY AND SOS WERE VOTING MARQUIS/REGINA. TOGETHER. SCUM WOULD HAVE TO BE FUCKING BRILLIANT TO KILL THEM SO THAT MARQUIS WAS SCUMMY. NO! Scum did this because MARQUIS IS SCUM!

Look at the fucking similarities, like Oh my gosh!

[bubbajack8]

Dat slip up brah.

[bubbajack8]

VOTE: Sakura

She has consistently gone after players who flipped town using weak reasoning and has otherwise fluffed around rather than post content.

And i'm sorry but. she has votes on Nacho x3, bubba x2, ETL, start, mario, marquis x2, not x2, Mara x2, Slandaar x2, Neo

You mean to say all these people are town??

[bubbajack8]

Also, via meta research, bubbajack does not do nightkill or votecount analysis. The fact that he's doing it now is either a new development in his play or a framejob.

That's correct. But I also didn't do it in my 1 scum game either. I played my scum game as I do a normal game. Go look at it, I did a lot of the quoting and such. Of course I was a replace in, and had to read the whole topic, but still.

If you also look at my meta, I usually don't live that long, and/or I'm getting tunneled, thus not giving me the ability to make my own decisions/ideas/posts. I've actually had a chance to do that once.

That was not VC analysis btw though. That was me seeing if anyone death tunneled anyone.

[bubbajack8]

liked

then. (:

Why not though?

[bubbajack8]

Prod received.

Bubba I don't really understand how those vote patterns mean much. Wow, so Mara's still derptunneling Boro (seriously this has gone on for weeks now Mara, get a grip), and we have a replacement that doesn't make much sense. Joy... I am just overjoyed to be here guys

For the 2 dead people, or for what I ALREADY explained?

It's not like it's implied or anything

This sums up that whole argument.

gnarleygrey, why so attacking?

[bubbajack8]

Great defense. I applaud.

[bubbajack8]

It's good when your arguments are thought out.

[bubbajack8]

It appears to me he's attacking just to attack.

[bubbajack8]

Dude. Are you ignoring everything I've said against you and trying to push a lynch with NOTHING?

[bubbajack8]

if you were town it'd be incredibly easy to see why you find me scummy?

What's this mean? That you've made your scummy appearances ridiculously easy to find. Or do you just not want to reply to anything I said, or want to look at it, so you want to discredit me?

i mean, the amount of effort from you on proving why i'm "scum" only looks like you feel like you have to work really hard to get your mislynches

Lol seriously? This is your argument.

How many people are voting you? 3? 2? work hard for your "mislynch" I have to work hard just to get you lynched. And if you think I'm scum trying to get you "mislynched" what do me and my scum buddies gain from that? Huh?

[bubbajack8]

Fair Enough. I've seen players play like that, was just curious.

[bubbajack8]

Lol that's way to much work for another nightkill and my team intact.

Fair Enough. I've seen players play like that, was just curious.

Fair Enough. I've seen players play like that, was just curious.

oh that was quick i don't like how you're letting that go so easily.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bubbajack

Was there any reason to extend to it. Fuzzybutternut plays that way. I scumread him and tunneled his ass way too long one game and he was town.

Just looking for a bullshit reason to vote me. Add this to the list of why Marquis is scummy you refuse to read.

[bubbajack8]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mara

I'm not moving this, this time.

again I will ask everyone - what on earth about Mara's play makes you think she is town?

I'm sorry I thought it was innocent until proven guilty.

[bubbajack8]

you don't think any of her play has been in the slightest bit scummy?

There's aspects of everyone's play that's scummy. I'm not going to call everyone scum, until I feel they aren't though.

it means she's scum

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mara

only thing i know

I'm just talking to hear myself talk I guess.

that's generally the idea of the game, yes.

I'm sorry i thought scum was suppose to blend in? Not be un-helpful.

on Marquis I have no particular feeling. others are acting scummier than him.

this answer sucks

no it doesn't it's right

I'm gonna post this, even though I know I'm not getting an answer... Why are you town?

quote them

I've asked you 100 times to respond to things. You are too lazy to even try, and you don't want to. Even if you do your arguments haven't been that great. See my last couple posts.

[bubbajack8]

so you are telling that because Mara is being obviously unhelpful she must be town?

I'm saying it's not a tell.

but then you seem to be saying that marquis is being unhelpful...and is obviously scum?

is this what I said?
no. no it isn't.

He's referring to me. Marquis is scum for other reasons. His lack of interest in the game is only one of them.

[bubbajack8]

so you are telling that because Mara is being obviously unhelpful she must be town?

I'm saying it's not a tell.

but then you seem to be saying that marquis is being unhelpful...and is obviously scum?

is this what I said?
no. no it isn't.

He's referring to me. Marquis is scum for other reasons. His lack of interest in the game is only one of them.

these are contradictory

mara being unhelpful = null

marquis being unhelpful = scum

also explain to me how i'm survivalistic

Unhelpful=/=lack of interest.

i want of a bullet point list of the scumtells you've found for me then

• Doesn't provide good reasoning.
  
• Slowly builds up to change votes.
  
• Random flip to slandaar. No reasoning.
  
• Hinting at a Mario4 lynch.
  
• Mario's death.
  
• SOS and Dry voted Regina together, and Marquis together. They both were NKS.
  
• Doesn't like votes on you, but fail to give any other reason not to vote you.
  
• Ignored people.
  
• Trying to push a vote with nothing.
  
• Defense isn't a defense, but a discredit, not to mention a bad one.
  
• Terrible vote on me, with bad reason given (again) just so you can get a vote on me.
  
• Failure to respond to my defense, and answer the question posed in it.
  
• Laziness
  
• Lack of interest.

more like sheeping the only person who seemed to be reading me right even if there was a chance he was scum

You realize he's sheeping a vote on you, which means if the person he's sheeping is reading you "right" you're scum.

[bubbajack8]

people should stop lynching me since we all know who the real scum here is ^.^

Marquis logic: I have a wagon on me, I'm not even going to try to defend against it, or present other ideas. I'm just going to say it's bad.

[bubbajack8]

Why those 3? Eh?

[bubbajack8]

>scumreads player.

>follows player's vote, puts up terrible reason for leaving the scumread.

Really Sakura?

[bubbajack8]

Lol. Whatever. I still think you're town, based upon your other posts, but it's dropped. I swear if you're scum, I'll be really sad.

But alas, Marquis is turtle-scum.

[bubbajack8]

Why?

Why are people touching my town-reads

why?

[bubbajack8]

Bubba - I've come full circle on you now, I think you are my biggest town read. What are your thoughts on Nacho?

I think I've already said I don't understand Nacho and why people follow Nacho.

Nacho's pretty much been up my ass all day

though. He had an early scum/leftover read on Marcell. Then he slowly upped it to a mebbe town, to eventually town.

He also seems to be attacking people who are on his ass. So I don't get why he's on you Boro

He says "I voted you [Boro?] because town reading Mara." He claims it was a "flash of paranoia"

I asked him why all 3 of us were scum, but he didn't answer. But (Besides Boro) He generally votes people who are scumreading him.

1487 Marcell votes him.
1507 and 1586 Marcell tries to explain vote to Nacho
1615 Nacho votes him.

And I don't understand why people flocked his vote. Like what?

Could be Nacho/Marquis. I had a reason why, but it's midnight, and I'm extremely tired.

[bubbajack8]

also don't like Mara's "would be a blessing if I died."

[bubbajack8]

vote Mara with me bubba.

or nacho. hunch time. and remember Slander wanted this.

Slander wanted me lynched too though xD

He generally votes people who are scumreading him.

Look at the rest of my votes one more time.

And you jump the fuck around. xD But your more "serious" appearing votes are on those scumreading you.

[bubbajack8]

i'm uncomfortable with how fast the marcrell wagon exploded like even faster than mine

why is it so hard to get votes on mara/bubba when several players have already expressed their scumreads on them

Why is it so hard to get votes on Marquis when he's not even trying.

let's just lynch marquis

This.

This L-1 on Marcell. So sad. Marquis is the scum here ):

[bubbajack8]

Oh it's 38 minutes.

[bubbajack8]

2 mins. I'm confident.

But if you really want a flip Boro here.

VOTE: Marcell

He's town. I'm pretty sure of it. Marquis is not. Now watch.

[bubbajack8]

And I find it strange Boro how you were not to happy with Nacho, and then you call him "the great nacho"

He's gonna fucking flip town.

[bubbajack8]

I'll let you know how I feel after the flip.

[bubbajack8]

it isn't Mylo?

mislynch/NK = 5 town, 3 scum.

it's Mylo tomorrow.

Marquis this was posted before your unvote. Shows how much attention you ARENT paying.

[bubbajack8]

ftr if Macrell flips town im totally voting no lynch tomorrow because i dont have much of a clue as to who scum is and i rather have them eliminate a possible mislynch.

This isn't a bad idea.

[bubbajack8]

IF Marquis flips scum, I'm voting Marquis.
If Marquis flips town, I'll think about No Lynch/Boro.

[bubbajack8]

I mean Marcell

Yes If Marquis flips scum I'm voting Marquis -_-

[bubbajack8]

Town would be paying attention, and trying, and not posting things that were already discussed, and resolved.

You've done none of that.

[bubbajack8]

By none I mean, you haven't been paying attention, haven't tried, and keep posting things that have been discussed.

[bubbajack8]

If it was sarcasm, why did you still follow his vote?

[bubbajack8]

And every time I make a case against you, you attempt to discredit me as a player, not my arguments. you don't even acknowledge arguments brought up against you. Literally it's always "Ew get these votes off me"

[bubbajack8]

"you're either trolling or being way too idealistic"

[bubbajack8]

This is true.

[bubbajack8]

Mylo eh?

VOTE: No lynch

Though I'd consider a Boro lynch.

[bubbajack8]

It would take a lot for me to want to lynch Boro though in mylo.

[bubbajack8]

Vote: No lynch

Marquis/Greygnarl/bubba, anyone?

1 of those players is not scum

I'll let you know which after I get quicklynched tomorrow and flip

...though I suppose you probably already know

Me? (;

For real though Marquis. You claim to have the townleader hat on but haven't done squat. Then you see someone thinks your scum and you say you are town.

You also say "After I get quicklynched tomorrow."

Why won't you die? And if you dare say "Because I'm a prime target" That's BS look at your wagon yesterday.

[bubbajack8]

That kill pisses me off.

Ms Marangal - I've already said Mara is town. I don't like their walls of the same shit, but whatever. Marquis was against Mara for a long time. Marcell (conf town) also saw Mara as town.

notscience - sakura was pretty on his ass. Hasn't been exceedingly helpful, but has been otherwise scummy. Their fight with ETL seemed very TvT

startfromtheheart - Meh. I don't see them as scum either. Their with not. They haven't given much thought to the game.

BoroPhil - I'm going to put him in the fucking middle cause I can't read him worth shit. I don't like his last post about if Mara's town we've lost, but he's also contributed. My read on him's bi-polar.

greygnarl 1505 is some sort of defense of Marquis, yet he votes him in 1577 and is advocating of his lynch thereafter. Was also bent on sakura.

Marquis Scum 100% for all reasons previously stated. Plus Sakura, Dry, SoS (all confirmed town players) were voting him post #623, #675, #678.

Let me just note that Not, start, and Boro aren't particullary in that order. I just can't read them for shit. I think they all could be town and not, and starts spots are interchangeable. My Boro read is bi-polar as fuck. So sometime's he'll be at the top of those 3, and at the bottom.

Nevertheless Marquis is scum. I've been saying it forever.

VOTE: Marquis

[bubbajack8]

you've been saying it forever. it's not true.

VOTE: mara

i've been saying this forever. it is true.

As I've already stated. You've given NO reason on that read. I've already pointed to you how SHITTY it is. Yet you ignore EVERYTHING anyone says against you, while simultaneously claiming to be the greatest town player ever.

[bubbajack8]

NO you're fucking not. You haven't been.

[bubbajack8]

Damn Mara, not, and start. Good game.

[bubbajack8]

I survived to end-game for a reason, and it wasn't because the majority of town was dis-interested because that really wasn't the case

Indeed you did. Did you realize that those 2 kills were scum reading Marquis at the same time? Or did I just point something out you ran with?

[bubbajack8]

Still no maf QT ):

[bubbajack8]

Lol I can't believe I missed that.

[bubbajack8]

Reading Scum QT, what's this hype on Nacho?

[bubbajack8]

"Bubba is Prolly Tue less viable, though so take him off the list"

Q.Q

"Marquis is really viable mislynch fodder."

Jeez. If ya'll killed me this game may have ended differently.