Open 534 - Killing at the Frat (Day 5)

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HI!!! reading now. Be back momentarily.

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Catch up post will happen tomorrow. It is 10:30 and bedtime.

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I wore pink panties for a Pretty in Pink photo yesterday.

>.> Who are you......

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(I'm catching up now, btw )

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For the purposes of game flavor, everyone is a sweet bro.

Yes. I am a sweet, sweet bro.

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Not at all. I just want reads, and free nachos.

If you want stimulating conversation, what sort of mental laxative do you have in mind?

We're only within the first 60 posts, so it's not as though we have a cornucopia of intel to pick apart right now.

You say you want reads but you aren't doing anything to question people, pressure them to get the reads.

notscience is town.

reckon start is scum

VOTE: startfromtheheart

Does anyone have any good scum reads?

oh i dunno mostly cuz i forgot i was voting the guy i'm voting

You're voting Wake and he has a scum role pm and needs to die

right. so you are quite defensive of not, even at this early stage. interesting.

I'm sorry but I don't feel like I'm "defending him" I just said I'm not jumping on his "wagon" and gave reasons as to why I was not jumping on his wagon. I did not give reasons to get off his wagon, nor did I try to convince people not to vote him. I gave my reasons for not voting him at this current time, and you can take it as you will.

Alright, time to start playing.

Defensiveness, as you know, is not always indicative of guilt my friend.

In fact, aggression, like defensiveness, are neutral behaviors.

The eternal ordeal is discovering the intentions behind them.

Finally something actually contributing. (sort of) None the less, you haven't been aggressive, or defensive, so why point out they are neutral?

I can't really say that being defensive is a hard scum tell, but it can be. Last game I got in trouble for being overly defensive but I wasn't scum. But considering the mafia needs to make sure people think they're town, it can be an indicator as well.

yes, but defending someone else for no real reason at this stage is quite interesting

Not was asking what an either-or fallacy was, so I wasn't going to vote him when he's asking me to explain my vote in RVS.

I'm sorry is this not a real reason? Really you'd make a better argument to say I'm defending Nacho.

More interesting reactions...

Yer funny Nacho. I'm still reading. Why you coaching Regina?

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oh fuck me.

Mod, would you mind terribly... either spoilering those or removing the quotes altogether? I forgot they were there.

The only change to players' posts that I will make are answering questions or fixing broken quote tags.

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cuz you vote me like that. But I don't have much to say about it cuz I'm not done yet, and I'm looking at some things here.

p-edit: wut sakura?

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Well that's fine as long as it isn't hammer. I'll be back around here soon enough. If you believe there's a reason (I don't think there is, but I actually don't know yet who I replaced).

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Oh hey. I replaced wake. That's interesting.

NS is my top scum read. His push on wake was baseless. And, I might add, incorrect. Again. I'll expand in the case I'm working on.

Sakura is town. She sheeps when she's town.

The rest are varying degrees between and I'll put together some analysis tomorrow. It is Halloween afterall and I'm pooped. <3

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Hm. Ok. If you guys arent willing to wait for me to explain my reads (i.e. when I get out of work today) then you should just lynch me now. I'm not really interested in defending myself when I've done nothing substantial yet and can't read my predecessor's thoughts for whatever case you have up to this point.

When that's done, look at nacho/ns. That was quite the leap on my minimal post. Kthx.

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Please point it out and explain why it fits the definition of AtE. Thank you.

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lol fuck you ns. That's totally not even the point of that post AT ALL and the fact that you are attempting to twist it that way is pretty indicative.

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No dude. It's "I have no idea what's going on because end of the month = deadline at work" and shit just got fucked up. We're done today so I finally don't have to work at home or on the weekend, and can spend some time with this game.

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I'll put together some analysis tomorrow. It is Halloween afterall and I'm pooped. <3

Because I thought this would be enough.

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Yep. I'm at work and have a few minutes between reports to check. I'm done in a half hour.

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Spoiler: NS's case on wake

VOTE: Wake

You're asking for reads without trying to stimulate conversation. That whole 49 looks forced.

Yeah, wake drew scum this game.

Lets get a wagon on this.

People should sheep me and Nacho.

HEYSCREWYOU

<3

NACHO WHY ARE THEY NOT SHEEPING US

oh i dunno mostly cuz i forgot i was voting the guy i'm voting

You're voting Wake and he has a scum role pm and needs to die

oh i dunno mostly cuz i forgot i was voting the guy i'm voting

You're voting Wake and he has a scum role pm and needs to die

Nacho isn't even voting anyone.

Just went to check. MM is correct. Which would explain how Nacho "forgot who he was voting". the question is why is notscience pushing Wake? And saying that Nacho is voting him when he's not.

@Boro: You want to give reasons besides just saying it's "interesting?" -_-

Already said why I'm pushing wake, and I judged based on the votecount which was incorrect. So.

Sakura, your vote would be better served on Wake. He's asking other people to do shit for him, and is blatantly coasting through the game.

So, you say you don't like his 49, which was this:

Come on guys, what're your reads?

I want my free nachos. Let's get him.

And that's the only reason you posted this entire time. This is your case. You don't like that he was joking around. Now, a post that sounds forced is a fine reason to suspect someone, but it's not the reason to not look for other motivations, not question the slot further, not test the slot - you know, scum hunt. You spend the rest of your posts urging people to vote wake, and immediately attack when me I enter the game, going so far as to try to say that the fact that I wasn't caught up yet is a scum tell.

I'm curious why no one asked you for further clarification on this, considering it is a weak point, and was not justified later in the thread. At no time in your ISO do you expand on this and at no time do you have any other scum reads.

So, ns, is there something I'm missing here, or is this actually what you're claiming is your case on my slot?

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I asked you a question, and you are dodging it.

Is this the case you are making that is worthy of a vote?

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I also find it interesting how aggressive and rude you are being. It comes off as very defensive.

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Except I'm not scum and you seem unwilling to consider that possibility.

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Or find other scum possibilities for that matter.

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Except I'm not scum and you seem unwilling to consider that possibility.

Why bother considering it when it isn't true?

You have yet to show any evidence to this, other than that you didn't like that one post. You have not explained your perception of my motivation, nor my votes. You have not attempted to question this slot, in any way, nor have you even asked about the post you didn't like.

Or find other scum possibilities for that matter.

Half the playerlist is lurking. Your scumbuds are in the lurkers.

Your ISO shows zero intention of finding scum. You have not asked anyone about their reads, their reasoning, or their actions. You have not pushed other wagons for reactions. You have not given any reads lists. You have not put pressure on "the lurkers" or asked anyone else to.

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More aggression without actually addressing the points I brought up.

Why didn't you question wake about his post or test him further?
Why did you try to cultivate other reads on the rest of the playerlist?
Why did you not push other wagons?
Why are you not attempting to find other scum that could be scum with me, since you "think" I'm scum?

Your response is unnecessarily rude and defensive when I am asking you to clarify your stance.

VOTE: notscience
if I wasn't already.

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Why

didn't

you try to cultivate other reads on the rest of the playerlist?

FTFM.

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You already said you can't justify your predecessor.

I actually never said anything of the sort.

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can't read my predecessor's thoughts for whatever case you have up to this point.

And if you are referring to this, please explain how this = "can't justify my predecessor" because I most certainly can since, as you pointed out quite clearly, we share the same role.

However, this was also written before I took a look at your ISO and found a lot of noise and very little useful content.

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More aggression without actually addressing the points I brought up.

Why didn't you question wake about his post or test him further?

I disagree. I went into him not chasing down reads.

You went into him not chasing down reads? What are you talking about? You never asked him about that post. You never even bothered to push him beyond telling other people to vote for him and calling him scum.

Why didn't you try to cultivate other reads on the rest of the playerlist?

Because they're lurking. For assorted reasonings, some being newbies. What'll we get for pressuring them? Newbie flail.

So, everyone except me and you is lurking and must be town?

Why did you not push other wagons?

Because THEY aren't my scumread.

So, you only have one scum read, correct? You have no idea about anyone else who could possibly be my partner?

Why are you not attempting to find other scum that could be scum with me, since you "think" I'm scum?

Because there are too many lurkers to wade through.

So, you're being lazy and going for whoever is talking? Or you legitimately think all the lurkers are town. And my slot must be scum because I'm not a lurker. Your logic doesn't add up here.

Your response is unnecessarily rude and defensive when I am asking you to clarify your stance.

VOTE: notscience
if I wasn't already.

And I don't give a fuck

You have made that very clear. Why are you playing then?

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When you've had the worst 3 days of your life then maybe you'll see why I'm just fluffing around

I'm sorry you are having a rough time in RL, but that is not a reason to take it out on other people. You can use your words more constructively to get the same ideas across without insulting others and acting generally abusive. If you are not doing well, I might suggest seeking a replacement so you can handle things.

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Both players in the ns vs. ETL feel natural and townish. both sides are feeling so tunnely in their thought processes, which I expect from ns...whereas ETL's overdefensiveness fits the vibe I recall from 1462.

I'm going to call bullshit, since refuting blatantly false statements and showing how another player is not actively scum hunting is not the same as being "over defensive". Tunnelling also implies that I'm not willing to look at other players for reads, which is not true. I was asked to discuss notscience's case, and I have done that. The fact that you come away from that thinking that ns is town is mind-boggling.

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I'd also like to point out that while you claim you get a town read from both of us, you have chosen not to unvote.

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Please keep in mind that post 243 was in response to ns being particularly rude to me before I'd even read the thread. It is, quite literally, not game related. But I can see why you made that comment.

And yes, I play with ns far more often than seems to be natural. I don't know who is stalking who, because the odds are astronomical.

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My bad, snoopy. I mixed you up with nacho. You're bert, aintcha? <3

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lol... I have produced more content in 24 hours than ns has produced since the start of the game, and I'm still scum.

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Don't even fucking try to 1v1 me. Scum tend to die when they do.

Please get off your high horse, bitch. Come at me.

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Or better yet, why don't you just GTFO of this game since you're having such a hard time with your life you can't seem to see through your own bullshit. I mean seriously, fucking play or GET. THE FUCK. OUT.

You're just being a prick; it has nothing to do with the slots because you're being a prick to me elsewhere. So keep at it, and I'll keep reporting the posts.

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VOTE: ETL

I don't feel like playing with an abusive player like you, ns. You've really gone beyond the game here and elsewhere. Instead of subjecting someone else to it or having the mod replace this slot yet again, I'm just going to leave.

I hope you get whatever is going on with you sorted out, but please, do not sign up for games I have signed up for and I will give you the same respect. Thank you.

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Bubba, please replace your vote on me, as this is not going to be resolved any other way. When I flip town, you can lynch ns.

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ns has been abusive to me and others across the site to the point where I don't even want to open the threads.

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lol yeah cuz {no content, manipulative pleas, no reads, no constructive discussion} = obvtown

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no worries, bubba; it's already taken care of.

VOTE: notscience

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bubba and dryfit.

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ETL is being obvscum

What is your problem... You have yet to define how I'm "being obvscum" after repeated attempts to get you to own your read. Not to mention the fact that, um...

YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG.

God, you are the worst player on this site.

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yeah we already addressed the fact that that's not a case, half of that is false, and none of them point to me being "obvscum" because if I was so "obvscum" then why aren't I dead yet?

Oh that's right.

Because some of the other players here aren't fucking retarded.

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You

have

attacked me. And you're distracting everyone from finding actual scum. I keep telling you a thousand times. I don't understand why you aren't even entertaining the idea that you might be wrong. That is not a town mindset. I don't know why you aren't looking for possible partners or thinking ahead.

Where will you look when I flip town? Where are your tiered reads? Where is your ISO analysis? Where is your probing of every player in this game? If you can supply this satisfactorily, I will just lynch myself ok? I'm really tired of fighting with you.

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You are in actual fact making this game so completely unenjoyable. I mean I feel like you don't even care to find scum.

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I like notscience a lot. He's very pretty. ETL is also very pretty but I think she's either scum or wrong. I'm not sure.

Hello person who has contributed absolutely zip. Reads?

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Uh. no. It doesn't. You're just being annoying.

God will you people lynch me already? I'm really sick of this game and sick of ns.

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I can't wait to see your excuse when I flip town.

Because I will.

BECAUSE I'M FUCKING TOWN.

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then.

FUCKING.

LYNCH.

ME.

What is the problem ns? Why can't you do it?

VOTE: ETL

I've even given you a helping hand.

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Yeah that's it.

You deserve a scummy ns. You're so good at scum hunting. I don't know why I ever doubted you.

Can you people please stop lurking, and vote for me please? I am fucking begging you. If you're not going to lynch ns, lynch me and get me out of here. And then I can watch ns wrack his brain for something better than "Oops".

VOTE FOR ETL. PLEASE AND THANK YOU.

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what the fuck are you even saying

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ARE YOU DENSE?

I AM PAST THE POINT OF CARING IF YOU'RE TOWN OR SCUM BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU ARE YOU ARE FUCKING USELESS AND DISTRACTING.

I'M SO FUCKING DONE WITH THIS.

THIS IS THE WORST GAME EVER. AND GUESS WHAT NS, IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A FUCKING RUDE, ABUSIVE, BULLY. I DO HOPE THAT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF SINCE YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO OTHER WAY TO ACHIEVE THAT.

JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE, PLEASE.

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OH YEAH.

I'M SCUM.

I'M A SCUM ROLEBLOCKER TRACKER MAFIA ROLECOP.

THERE YOU GO.

THERE'S A CLAIM FOR YOU.

LYNCH ME NOW.

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@mod: I will find a replacement for you. I can't play with this person.

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Omg. Why. Bad.