Open 536: Faith Plus One Game Over! Mafia Win!

shos · Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:19 am

My current scumlist is ptactically only helium and pasch. If im wrong on both ill post a picture of me eating a hat.

shos · Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:20 am

Also for tonight i believe fhs cross protect is again best strat. Seemed to work tonight.

shos · Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:49 am

In post 2542, T S O wrote:
In post 2539, helium-3 wrote:
In post 2538, T S O wrote:There's this ... "rumour" on the wind shos is scum. Everyone is repeating it, yet I see no basis for it whatsoever
okay

remind me why you are voting pasch again?

and who do you have other than pasch?
No you're going to explain why shos is scum. Then and only then will I respond to this.

cuz I think he is scum obviously. it's omgu-obvs

shos · Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:20 am

wild guess, but not that wild, because really anyone with the tiny bit of brains would do that -_-

shos · Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:35 am

In post 2546, Paschendale wrote: On, and Shos seriously only has Helium and me as scum? And he's trying to manage night actions? That's where you should be lynching, not here.

I don't get the connection between my scumreads and the night actions; and also, 'manage night actions' makes it sound such a superb thing, when in reality I'm jsut repeating myself from yesterday. cross-protect is the best way to go, it worked tonight, it should work once more and we earned ourselves a spare mislynch.

In post 2549, Taylor wrote:For tomorrow, I'm looking at {N64, shos}. I can't ignore that scumslip in 2541. Talking it over with mastin.

ETL

scumslip? O________o;

Dear Faith Healers.

who did you target tonight? am I wrong in my assumtpion that you cross-protected?

shos · Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:33 am

@2557: helium, you stupid arse lol, i was the only one who pointed at this post. Iso me, youll see it.

And i wasnt the only one pushing for force replace. I initiated it, only after half the game voted to replace, the mod agreed.

Lol at helium, hes calling me ubersuperscum and yet votes pasch, saying that he will vote me if mislynch. Pasch town, helium scum.

vote helium

shos · Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:02 am

I think hydra slips are like the best thing happening onsite, and it's happening in practically all of my games

shos · Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:02 am

^^^ is a post to show how uninteresting the conversation is atm.

shos · Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:38 am

In post 2599, Paschendale wrote:Everyone knows Shos is scum. He's been consistently on a lot of people's scumlists, and there have been far more reasons offered to lynch him today than there have been for me.

I haven't read pages 103+ except for this post, dunno why but it was open on my screen so I read it.

this gets me to vote pasch again(after I see a VC). the reason is that what he is saying is not 'shos is scum because ___', rather, he mentions that shos is on lots of scumlists - AKA a popular vote to save own ass.

I don't recall *any* reasons to lynch me today, btw. only xscorp called me scum the entire game, don't remember anything else. I'll read 103+ when I can, which will be in a few minutes most probably

shos · Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:05 am

well lucky for you guys, yesterday instead of posting here I broke my leg. now I have ALL DAY TO POST, aaahahah

shos · Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:00 am

kay so I read up to 104(didn't read 105) and here's where I stand.

firstly, the ones who are not up for lynch ever are Guyette and sthar, because I reallly really think that the interaction regarding the fake hammer was genuine. next ones are obviously the claimed FHs, being Taylor and Pecan. so exclusing me, the PoE pool is shrinking very well:

Xscorp
Pasch
Helium
TSO
N64.

I will start with helium because this is the freshest thing I have. Activity wise, they are really scummy; their latest behaviour in the last few pages etc was horrible, and made me totally sure of them being scum. But today when I was rereading I understood that it is mollie I'm talking about, and my inside gut flipped my ass over this because this is DEFINITELY not her scum meta. This is why I now

do NOT

want to lynch that slot. if the PoE process is enough then I would support that lynch later, but not now.

next up: TSO. I have had a strong townread on this slot all over the game, and it is not changing for any reason lately so why not. I'm removing this one from the lynch pool of course.

We're left with N64, xScorp, and Pasch.
I have had a scumread on Pasch for the last while, and a scumread on N64 since D1 that hasn't changed too much. regarding Scorp, he's been up my ass since D1 and I don't remember why; I just remember him not making loads of sense and being hyperactively hunting practically everyone. I'd think it would be interesting to see if there's someone he hasn't pushed or just pushed lightly or something. I wouldn't want to lynch him today tho.
I have seen some decent posts by N64. his posts weren't screaming town but they were logical and they made sense; making sense is not a thing that only town can do, but considering the competition, I'd prefer to keep him around.

So my lynch list for the while, in order is,
VOTE: Pasch
then scorp
then N64.

the other unconfirmed are TSO who is 99% town on my end, and Helium, who I am torn about. I'll need to revise the other head of the hydra, 2x meta might be something that I can really work with.

pedit: thanks guys, but I haven' really broken it, I only twisted it badly, my knee is kinda bad and I'm waiting on an Orthoped. hopefully it'll go by fast; tomorrow I'll drag to work because I have to lecture, but hopefully it won't get worse...

shos · Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:01 am

that was the hammer, lol.

Pasch, any last words? reads?

shos · Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:01 am

3 lynches, 3 hammers

hoping for a 66% success

shos · Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:32 am

shos · Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:33 am

oh crap

shos · Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:39 am

In post 2620, shos wrote:wtf

In post 2621, shos wrote:oh crap

so I really thought I wasn't the hammer, lol. I thought I was already on the wagon, and pretended to hammer to see reactions, but then...it was a hammer, lol. I

did

want the wagon to go through, but first I wanted to see if the guyett-sthar idea could work again..

so anyway. no kill tonight as well, I'm thinking that the FHs are getting lucky protecting each other

keep going bawyz!

as per my readlist that really haven't changed much, VOTE: xscorp

shos · Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:15 am

I'm kinda battling myself over my meta on you mollie.

shos · Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:02 am

no no I can't hammer myself guyz and I'm on a streak

shos · Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:15 am

Well by now its all kinda down to poe so i cant defend myself. If it depended on me we already won -3 confs, 2 semi confs, v4 unconfirmed. Hopefully im not wrong with guyett tho.

After me, go scorpthing, n64.

shos · Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:30 am

Merry christmas!

Also if you get to lylo I strongly encourage you guys to re-re-re-read helium, because really, despite all townreads on that slot, it can really be scum.

shos · Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:36 am

Remind me who the other headof helium is? Mollie and....? I wanna make some meta research..

shos · Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:37 am

Recent posts by n64 quote posts so distant away from each other that im inclined for a scorp/helium team

shos · Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:46 am

In post 2656, helium-3 wrote:gee mebbe my second top scumread like I have already posted in this day round? do you think? why aren't you asking guyett or star the same question?

see, this is precisely why you are scummy in 2 words. you have a readlist from D1, followed it to lynch on D2, D3 and now D4, without blinking, and you're perfectly ready to keep following it D5 too. your reads don't evolve, they just exist. you spew things out, the only thing that changed in you was the fact that *I* attacked *you* out of the blue, and all of a sudden I'm scummy. you had a townread on me for more than 100 pages, then flipped on me because OMGUS, and other than that, you ignore the game entirely. you just support lynches.

And I take back what I said regarding Mollie's meta after considering it again for a while; that's not the scum meta too, but I've learnt that mollie carefully thinks about how she is viewed meta-wise and actually plans ahead, so I'm nullifying that. The other head - antihero - I'll check him out soon and we'll see if I can convince others of this.

shos · Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:52 am

It's okay he's jewish XD

shos · Thu Dec 26, 2013 7:29 am

VOTE: Helium

Well I was wrongly biased by meta which caused my gut to think maybe mollie is playing town, but I've retreived that call back, and after seeing some other meta I'm gladly getting back to my own scheme here

shos · Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:18 am

lol Mollie that post is so full of AtE it's making me weep alil

if you actually tell me why you think I'm scummy, it might help! also it might not tho

I did not say tat you play to your scum meta. the contrary, i thought you were playing to your town meta, but then again, I retracted my statement. if antihero is not playing anymore, wouldn't it be better if you started posting from your own account? XD anyway, anti's town meta doesn't show up here, so I'm back to actually scumhunting and not metahunting. meta was what got me off you in the first place, so now having removed that, I'm back on.

I don't understand your shit about ETL.

shos · Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:29 am

In post 1067, shos wrote:
In post 1057, Obscurity wrote:What the holy fuck.

Apparently, active lurking as a tactic has been voted out by
vox populi.

If that's truly what MS has come down to, fuck you all very much.

@Mod: replace me, then.

I strongly disagree with the notion of a moderator bending to the will of the players as far as force-replacing. But who am I, anyway.
I want to take a look at this post more closely.
see, he was surprised that the mod replaced him,
admitting
that he was active lurking as a tactic. Is there any reason for town to be active lurking?(so much for active, btw lol).

btw, who is he, really? he is a 2011 player with no games and no posts. someone's alt? perhaps we can find scum-meta of lurking?

shos · Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:18 am

I'll be posting in a short while

shos · Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:16 am

alright so I've been following via phone during today and yesterday, and xscorp's mention of post 1067 was very interesting. he did notlink to it but I went and see, and I though tit was worth the mention (hence 2694.)....so yeah,

Helium

, I would like you to go and take a look at that post, and at the posts before it. I was really the only one who lead town's attention to obscurity every time, I think. perhaps the lynch eventually wasn't particularly my work - actually pretty sure it wasn't - I thought he was town when I hammered - but that post, I want you to explain to me how you think mescum, as maj's scumpartner, would say that.

I have to say that 2696 looks like Nlord bussing helium.

shos · Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:22 am

In post 2703, Taylor wrote:@helium:

we have two mislynches left before LYLO. the last 2 scum are pretty much guaranteed to be in {N64, shos, TSO, sthar8} agreed?

I'd lynch in that order as well. Which means there is no way to lose this if we just stick to that and stop fucking around with each other.

huh???? why the fuck would that be true??
sthar8 is town by way of the reaction to the fakehammer.
TSO is obvtown I really don't see how you can call him scum.
I am town by way of reactions with the obscurity slot before the replacement.
N64, well, can be scum.

why is Xscorp supertown for you? why is HELIUM town for you?

shos · Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:18 am

hmm. well, through the entire game his thought process was 99% the same as mine; he never did anything, anything at all if memory serves right, that I could call him out on(if you have such to counter - provide, and i'll examine if I hadn't), his ideas and thoughts looked good to me(althought that might be biased because they are just very similar to my own). he's probably the last one I'd lynch of those who aren't confirmed. if I got to lylo with him and another, I would reaaaaaally have an easy decision.

shos · Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:17 pm

WTFMAN IM.AT WORK CRYING LAUGHING

shos · Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:32 am

can i haz a votecount?

Nothing changed since last votecount except Guyett voting N64. Formal VC coming up.

shos · Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:22 am

In post 2730, N64Lord wrote:
T S O wrote:
In post 2677, Taylor wrote:
In post 2684, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
@mod: I am sick with plague. V/LA for a day or so. Be back Saturday.

So yeah review will have to wait. Shit hit me like a ton of bricks this afternoon.
What the hell is plague?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmDXVbte5Oc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsrfovOPcjk

In post 2731, pieceofpecanpie wrote:This game is really hard to read through on a phone.

Where the game stands for me right now, town are:

Taylor

pieceofpecanpie

Guyett

sthar8
Scumpool is everyone else, with my preferences underlined:

helium-3

TSO

shos

XScorpion

N64Lord

shos · Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:01 am

In post 2735, pieceofpecanpie wrote:
@shos
What? This is what I read...

"Why am I more preferred over player A? Refer to this quote by me
[which player B did what with? has what to do with player A?]
, which makes me not vote Player B and myself town."

What?

yes?
xscorp brought this quote up, which makes me think he is actually town, hunting, who found a reason to be wary, therefore - I'm not voting him.
that quote's content, should probably make you think I am town, IMO.
why do you prefer to lynch me over helium, the scummy scum mcscum of scumland?

shos · Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:24 am

pecan unvote.

shos · Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:21 am

I can live with a N64 lynch actually, but it's a compromise, and it's unneeded, and it really shouldn't be skipped over helium.

shos · Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:18 am

Yup thats a hammer. Disappointed.

Are you scum?

shos · Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:25 pm

I am town for leading the obscurity slot into the light multiple times.

Guyettes last post isgorrible, and re:last mislynch: i told you so.

TSO remains only townread witg pecan.

VOTE: helium

shos · Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:06 pm

See that ~1070 post, see that me-pushing-policy-lynch on obs gamestart, see that me-initiating the force replacement. Dont give me shit AtE, read the game.

shos · Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:04 pm

The fact that you aremore active doesnt make you remember the game by heart. Please go read the things i referenced. It should be really short.

I think i can actually put together a shostown case, lol.

It would start with me bringing attention to obs d1. I kept the pressure on and when i realized the lurking was intrntional i initiated a force replacement with support of town. Then majiffy came and everyone was ok. Then comes the post that scorp found - 1069 i think, or something around - in which i once again direct town in obsscums direction.

You guys call me scum for 'interactions with majiffy' - thats shit. Majiffy voted me - ok. I then told him that i was the one who brought him in, when he could definitely be policy lynched. That is a goodreason for him to townread me, and he indeed removed his vote. Scum DO have to pretend to be town right? He

had

to unvote. Because i was right.

Eventually that day i townread maj. His wagon was there, but still l-1 few hours before deadline. I could have just pretended to not be there and hope deadline goes with NL, but i did come and did hammer, repeating the fact that i think he is town. Why would scum bushammer like that??

I can add to that my d1 superstrong read of conftown taylor even before yje claim, and my superomgstrongtownread on the other conftown pecan. My scum suspects the entire game have been either scum or are still alive. Only pasch was sort ofa mistake. That mistake was probably because i hesitated to keep pushing mollie.

shos · Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:50 am

@guyette, re: force replacing a buddy(?!) and buddy being pissed for being replaced:

Spoiler: obscurity's force replacement

and then he replaced out:

In post 1057, Obscurity wrote:What the holy fuck.

Apparently, active lurking as a tactic has been voted out by
vox populi.

If that's truly what MS has come down to, fuck you all very much.

@Mod: replace me, then.

I strongly disagree with the notion of a moderator bending to the will of the players as far as force-replacing. But who am I, anyway.

there were some more posts and then this:

In post 1067, shos wrote:
In post 1057, Obscurity wrote:What the holy fuck.

Apparently, active lurking as a tactic has been voted out by
vox populi.

If that's truly what MS has come down to, fuck you all very much.

@Mod: replace me, then.

I strongly disagree with the notion of a moderator bending to the will of the players as far as force-replacing. But who am I, anyway.
I want to take a look at this post more closely.
see, he was surprised that the mod replaced him,
admitting
that he was active lurking as a tactic. Is there any reason for town to be active lurking?(so much for active, btw lol).

btw, who is he, really? he is a 2011 player with no games and no posts. someone's alt? perhaps we can find scum-meta of lurking?

are you seriously suggesting that I was bussing my buddy so quickly???

shos · Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:53 am

my choice for scum pair is actually helium and xscorp. If town gets a townflip from one of them, then we need to reexamine you and sthar. we probably gave you a pass too quickly.

shos · Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:16 am

me and TSO would never buddy that hard if we were a scumteam. I can accept you scumbutts calling me scum or him, but definitely not together. seriously, I have over 70% winrate as scum, I don't tie myself up to my buddies, like, evar.

shos · Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:41 am

Page 115 makes me think mollie-guyette scumteam.

shos · Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:56 am

Sthar get out of the tunnrl

If both guyett and heliumollie are town ill kill my hamster with a dildo

Nobody commented even the slightest bit about my own selftown case.

For the record, i own not adildo, nor a hamster

shos · Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:11 am

Basically your case on me is "shos pushed, lead town to notice, and hammered scum".

Help me understand, guyette, how that works.

shos · Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:05 am

In post 2808, shos wrote:The fact that you aremore active doesnt make you remember the game by heart. Please go read the things i referenced. It should be really short.

I think i can actually put together a shostown case, lol.

It would start with me bringing attention to obs d1. I kept the pressure on and when i realized the lurking was intrntional i initiated a force replacement with support of town. Then majiffy came and everyone was ok. Then comes the post that scorp found - 1069 i think, or something around - in which i once again direct town in obsscums direction.

You guys call me scum for 'interactions with majiffy' - thats shit. Majiffy voted me - ok. I then told him that i was the one who brought him in, when he could definitely be policy lynched. That is a goodreason for him to townread me, and he indeed removed his vote. Scum DO have to pretend to be town right? He
had
to unvote. Because i was right.

Eventually that day i townread maj. His wagon was there, but still l-1 few hours before deadline. I could have just pretended to not be there and hope deadline goes with NL, but i did come and did hammer, repeating the fact that i think he is town. Why would scum bushammer like that??

I can add to that my d1 superstrong read of conftown taylor even before yje claim, and my superomgstrongtownread on the other conftown pecan. My scum suspects the entire game have been either scum or are still alive. Only pasch was sort ofa mistake. That mistake was probably because i hesitated to keep pushing mollie.

shos · Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:49 am

Show me those gaping holes please guyette.

shos · Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:35 am

Quote/link?

shos · Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:57 am

Second, this is the most energy Guyett has had all game.

Would like to point this out axtually. Guyett was passive all thevway through all our mislynches. Allof a sudden, when helium is in danger, he rises and spews content like hell.

What changed…?

shos · Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:41 am

Scorp, your theory says that if i amscum then lynch tso, andif town, lynch tso. So howcomes you dont vote tso, lol? I think you should recalibrate, since hunting a scumteam is too hard for you, it seems.

Guyette, i want you to tell me where it sucks instead of saying it sucks.

shos · Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:40 am

In post 2968, shos wrote: Guyette, i want you to tell me where it sucks instead of saying it sucks.

In post 2970, Guyett wrote:
In post 2969, bubbajack8 wrote:
Arsenal scored in the first half....
Bunch of saps ;_;

...guyette?

shos · Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:41 am

oh I missed that post above, sorry

shos · Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:51 am

In post 2929, Guyett wrote:
In post 2928, shos wrote:
In post 2808, shos wrote:The fact that you aremore active doesnt make you remember the game by heart. Please go read the things i referenced. It should be really short.

I think i can actually put together a shostown case, lol.

It would start with me bringing attention to obs d1. I kept the pressure on and when i realized the lurking was intrntional i initiated a force replacement with support of town.
This can be explained with my post. Scum you bussed a inactive buddy... this is good scum play in the scenario as you'd buy town cred (like you are now trying). Then once you realize a scum buddy replacement is better than a scum buddy lynch.

Then majiffy came and everyone was ok. Then comes the post that scorp found - 1069 i think, or something around - in which i once again direct town in obsscums direction.

You guys call me scum for 'interactions with majiffy' - thats shit. Majiffy voted me - ok. I then told him that i was the one who brought him in, when he could definitely be policy lynched. That is a goodreason for him to townread me, and he indeed removed his vote. Scum DO have to pretend to be town right? He
had
to unvote. Because i was right.
Jiffy was voting you.. then you said it was your fault to bring him to the game as a replacement so he town read you and removed the vote right? Or maybe Jiffy pushed you in thread and you didn't like him bussing you so you got him to look elsewhere...

Eventually that day i townread maj. His wagon was there, but still l-1 few hours before deadline. I could have just pretended to not be there and hope deadline goes with NL, but i did come and did hammer, repeating the fact that i think he is town. Why would scum bushammer like that??

why wouldn't scum bus like that? WIFOM and all that

I can add to that my d1 superstrong read of conftown taylor even before yje claim, and my superomgstrongtownread on the other conftown pecan.

Well scumShos would know Taylor and pecan were town... so of course you'd be able to town read them

My scum suspects the entire game have been either scum or are still alive.
You said you were town reading Jiffy... so that's a lie right?
Only pasch was sort ofa mistake. That mistake was probably because i hesitated to keep pushing mollie.

first bolded part: look, anything can be explained with a very very specific scenario. if you push it enough you can get reasons for every single thing. your theory does not make sense because if you have a buddy that is lurking when town is lynching town, you have no reason to do anything about it. you can check my meta btw - if there's no real reason to bus my partners D1 I never do that; not ever.

second:
Jiffy was voting me, yes. Then I told him, hey stupid, this town was going to lynch you and I prevented them from doing so. if you are town - why would I as scum do that? it give me no cred unless you are dead anyway, and it ruins a mislynch that really nobody would talk that badly about, I think. therefore - if you are town, you should be townreading me. so he unvoted - to pretend to be town - since that's logical. what you are saying is: Majiffy pushed me in thread, and I didn't want to be bussed, so I told him to unvote and he did? you are forcing your idea of the setup on things to make it fit; it really in no way is natural.

third:
because you get towncred by hunting scum, not by hardcore staying away from a scum lynch, which is what I did. I hammered just because of the deadline - not because I thought he was scum. where's the wifom in that?

fourth:
if scum townread all town, they will never get any mislynches, you fool. you are so forced.

fifth:
no, it's not a lie, I was scumread Obscurity. and it really doesn't matter eventually that I was townreading majiffy - I did hammer him. the reads that matter in the game are the scumreads, not the townreads; unless you start PoEing with confs, it is the scumreads that you lynch, not the townreads. my scumreads so far have not even one mistake. ONE.

shos · Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:49 pm

everyone but TSO want to lynch me, yet, everyone is

not feeling it

, hesitating, etc. in other words, scum are trying to hold off about this, to distance from the mislynch...

shos · Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:24 pm

You must be feeling real cool

shos · Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:39 am

Well. I am really not too sure about anyone but you, lol. Im sure that theres at least one scum in scorp/heliumollie, more likely mollie, possibly both. I think sthar is town, Mainly for the reaction to the fakehammer. Guyette can be scum, if scorp isnt or helium.

Pecan dies tonight, so youll have the four of them in 50-50, i suggesu lynching helium first, or guyett. I really dunno - you should check guyetts activity in other games, in comparison with thevtiming of the fakehammer maybe..that boost in activity came in the same time where we started mislynching imo - see if hes on the wagons, check distancing etc...

So the tldr is mollie or guyette first, then scorp, then worst case sthar.

shos · Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:26 am

As ive said, you shpuld be looking at helium and guyett. I know guyett fakehammered, but thats really less effective than reading sthar for it.

Helium, i dunno how everyone is so townreading that slot, really.

shos · Sun Jan 05, 2014 5:54 pm

and pecan, and N64, and you know maj was scum, etc..

shos · Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:08 pm

Omfg pecan.
Omfg.

shos · Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:27 am

Guyetts iso doesnt sit that well with my decision.

VOTE: xscorp.

I have yet to deyermine something about mollie. So scorp, yes. Is scum.

Pecan, if you are going to flake, do that quickly.

shos · Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:04 am

eh, PoE. your ISO is longer than my life, so I ISOed the others whose ISOs aren't as horrible. I didn't ISO guyett FULLY but it was enough. I can try to put something up against you tomorrow, probably, but little chances :X

shos · Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:33 am

just assume it's lylo tomorrow anyway.

shos · Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:33 am

life really doesn't give me too much time to fight today and tomorrow

only through phone from work, tomorrow...

shos · Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:07 pm

In post 3010, XScorpion wrote:
In post 3009, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 3007, sthar8 wrote:Pecan, what the fuck man?

shos · Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:09 pm

In post 3001, XScorpion wrote:
In post 2999, T S O wrote:And I haven't spent the whole game complaining my reads are wrong, either. I was wrong on N64/Pasch/Guyett and right on Taylor/Majiffy. Not terrible.

In post 2999, T S O wrote:He's been coasting through the whole game and that's something in itself to look out for.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
Good show though.

In post 2999, T S O wrote:Firstly, we have 2 lynches left. Not three. You can't lynch shos-TSO-helium.
I sure as hell can if shos flips scum and you flip town. There's only 2 lynches left if we fuck them both up.

The difference lies in the 'whole game=/=one post' part.

shos · Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:11 am

Dear Scorp,
I am not lazy. I am a working person. The contrary, the fact that I keep posting 24/7 makes me supernotlazy. but it's a problem to ISO someone with 300 posts through phone and actually make a case. I skimmed guyett's ISO of D1, and felt that it doesn'et look like he suits as a partner to Majiffy. therefore - I'm moving next up. I dunno why I got cold feet about mollie. Really can't say. that meta thing I had once still fucks with me in my head.
TSO has been my townread through the entire game and still is. pecan is conftown. sthar reacted to the fakehammer in a way I would never expect scum to be able to fake; if I was scum I'd jsut go 'nope I am still alive'.

So yeah. my PoE process tells me that it should be you lynched; How do I concince others of this? that's really my problem, most likely. I'll try to see about it in around half an hour, I should have alittle time before bedtime, I hope

shos · Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:59 am

You're not coasting, nonononon. post 3012 is there to disprove the 'hypocrisy' aimed at TSO.

shos · Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:00 am

Also btw TSO is town via a superawesome thing I have

lol. just don't lynch TSO, kay? ever and stuff?
~~~
what are the odds in your opinion that sthar is scum?

shos · Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:35 pm

Sthar, its not like people defended me, ya know. Wagons were derailed because *I* defended myself, was logical and open with everything. Nit because TSO thinks im town.

shos · Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:25 pm

Yes but it's not like I got WKed or something, and its not like people said dont lynch shos, what actually happened is people followed their scumreads and those werent me.

You can also think about it this way: if i am scum, so 99% scorp is my partner, cuz he was againsy me all through the game and still somehow im alive in d5, so lynch scorp first

....lol. I also think that mescum leads to youtown and youscum leads to metown, since scum just dont ever buddy so hard.

shos · Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:34 am

Damn mollie, so many alt slips it's mad :0

shos · Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:34 am

<after death wishlist>
LEAVE TSO ALIVE

shos · Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:39 pm

mod and everyone:
My internet router disabled itself yesterday for some reason, so atm im only posting via phone. Thats some indefinitely long LA.

This means i will be posting less frequently and less in general :/

It matters less in this game but still

shos · Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:21 am

Tell us when you have it so we can lynch you.

Can anypony tell me why they thonk helium is town?

shos · Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:51 am

Just one, I fixed my internet

so, wher was I. people always seem to be reading helium as town, and I have no idea why. so tell me why, people-who-read-him-as-town.

shos · Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:26 am

well then do it, because you won't live the night, so do your best effort before you die..

shos · Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:19 am

Somethingpony is whiskers' thing, dunno why i did that..but answer please.

shos · Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:38 am

Lol that was funny.

Sthar: have i not been bith of those?

shos · Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:41 pm

You can put me in l-1 for the while and if pecan doesnt show up ill selfhammer.

shos · Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:55 am

Look, as a matter of fact i have no idea about the scumteam. I think things, none are sure except the tso townread.

shos · Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:50 pm

It doesn't look like town is even

looking

in any other direction. I don't think I ever gave up, but I really don't know who to point at.

shos · Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:17 am

That trio has the team imo too. Mollie+sthar makescsense though just as well.

shos · Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:18 am

Helium is best option actually now that i think about it. His massive flip on me when i voted him did not prevent him from participating in nislynches.

vote helium

shos · Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:13 am

As if there is support for scorp.

shos · Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:27 pm

Lets ltnch stharvhes vla

Pecan flaking is just about to piss me off

Just hammer

shos · Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:40 pm

Well not the entire game, he was really obvtown D1 which was good (iso me you can see that somewhen he was SO townie i put him in my conftown list with taylor). Only today he flakes, whichsucks cuz it is critical timing.

Heliumollie is coasting to let this lynch go through.

shos · Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:51 am

Mollie hasn't post in 5 days 6 hours in ANY account.

VOTE: Mollie

really guys. she's lurking this day to and end when I'm lynched.

shos · Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:05 am

scorp, she has posted in her account for 3 more days after she disappeared from here. then she's gone? and can you check if she's gone in all her 22 alts?

I'm not buying it; DL is too close to go for so long.

shos · Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:05 am

seriously we have 27 hours.

shos · Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:10 am

well that's a short list isn't it! lol x) vote mollie.

shos · Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:20 am

profile->search posts.

shos · Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:33 am

^^^here is mollie. see?

shos · Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:36 am

it doesn't matter; the fact is that the moment I call mollie out for lurking she appears. in an alt.

shos · Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:41 am

....I meant on the scummy for alt slips...

what I think about it - if pecan is literally flaking the entire day I think day should be extended with replacement...even if he's just going to die :X

shos · Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:45 am

That is pretty much true. I don't really know how to react since pecan *has* been proddodging, but the entire day he's just..gone...

:X

shos · Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:49 am

ISO 71 - 2358 - was 10 posts ago in his ISO, 800 posts ago in the game, and...1 MONTH AGO. an average of a post per 3 days?

PECANNNN

I hop eit's not too late

shos · Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:17 am

helium & sthar << scumteam.

if xscorp is scum, nice play around this hammer.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:53 am

TSO:
consider the way that scorp has treated this end of day. Don't you think scum would've just hammered? a long, long, time ago? nobody would give him flak for it. no other lynch is viable. etc etc.

Scorp is not scum.
you both should join the heliumollie wagon.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:54 am

In post 3089, Guyett wrote:I will only vote shos mollie or scorp.

and he can join as well for a lynch.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:44 am

pecan please tell me you're still here

@guyett: I re-redirect you to post 1070.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:45 am

In post 1067, shos wrote:
In post 1057, Obscurity wrote:What the holy fuck.

Apparently, active lurking as a tactic has been voted out by
vox populi.

If that's truly what MS has come down to, fuck you all very much.

@Mod: replace me, then.

I strongly disagree with the notion of a moderator bending to the will of the players as far as force-replacing. But who am I, anyway.
I want to take a look at this post more closely.
see, he was surprised that the mod replaced him,
admitting
that he was active lurking as a tactic. Is there any reason for town to be active lurking?(so much for active, btw lol).

btw, who is he, really? he is a 2011 player with no games and no posts. someone's alt? perhaps we can find scum-meta of lurking?

mescuzzy, this one.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:02 am

lol @ mollie; you say that I was in control over the game? seriously?! should I remind you that you were on those wagons as well? and I'm sure that the fact that I hammered scum is held against me too?

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:04 am

In post 3129, pieceofpecanpie wrote:Sup, I'm still here. It's 5am though, so I've drafted this thing but I'm grabbing a couple of hours rest before I piece together and post my solo whatever. You want something?

Also, as a side note, re-reads would be much easier if dingleberries stayed in their hydras.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=22563
this is an ISO of helium & mollie.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:29 am

Hammering town means precisely the same, that was my point. he calls me scum for hammering three times? THAT is the reason for why I am scum? heliumollie has been pushing mescum since I called her scum - when I did that, she flipped on me immediately and started calling me scum in contrary to her earlier thoughts. taht was before some of the hammers, btw.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:03 am

I hammered so close to deadline. if I was his buddy I'd just lurk.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:10 am

you are confirmation biased eternally.

these make sense *assuming* I am scum. if you assume I am town - the other ideas make sense.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:19 am

but you're wrong. your idea of *why* I should be scum is relying on the idea that I am scum. confirmation bias at its best.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:36 am

tell me why I am scum through my play? and tell me how mollie went out in your PoE please?

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:48 am

Then explain to me why you are voting me over her; since D2 she's been extremely bad.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:59 am

oh, I *am* hung

but that's irrelevant.

Scorp, TSO. come over to mollie, it'll help guyette decide.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:49 am

*sigh* talking to walls here mate.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:53 am

@TSO, re:scorp. see the last few pages of exchanging. This game is so dead by now, and a shoslynch would be so easy. we only lynched one scum, and a mislynch on me would get to lylo. do you honestly think scorp would pass on that, if he was scum? Judging solely by the last 5~ pages or so - only today's interactions - I think it's half safe to say that scorp is town.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:53 am

@shutup: ....the walls were guyette, lol. not you.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:30 am

he definitely could, lol. the 'resistance' was coming from me, the lynched, or you, the scumbuddy in theory.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:30 am

he definitely could, lol. the 'resistance' was coming from me, the lynched, or you, the scumbuddy in theory.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:56 pm

Pecan's opinion matters but it's not like his opinion is stronger then everyone else's. his scumreading skills are just about the same.

don't get personal please

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:16 pm

Lol ofc someone is wrong we cant all be right xD I will only reconsider TSO townread if helium flips town; this will bring us to a lylo in which i will have hard time calling a scumteam.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:41 pm

In post 3168, XScorpion wrote:Time to follow the conftown.
15 Hours left, I might as well do this.
VOTE: Helium

That was reaaaaalllly quick.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:04 pm

Actually considering the deadline you are right.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:14 pm

Why scumfuck? He is right about the DL and that no other lynch would have gone through. Either me or helium.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:06 pm

Pecans reads are mine.
We will convince tso no worries. If heliumflipsscum then sthar is my nexy tRgeth

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:11 pm

If he flips town i would a)kill myself and then b) reevaluate EVERYBODY.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:12 pm

He...lium. -.- you are not.

shos · Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:20 pm

See, this is the kind of posts that makes me wary of you. Sheeping? Now? Not taking into considerationthe flip?

shos · Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:02 am

Guyette wasnt scorp the hammer?
Me, tso, pecan, scorp.

@scorp, i feel your pain.

With3187's last paragraph - if helium flips town that might really be a scumslip.

shos · Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:55 am

Well, what do you thinj?

shos · Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:38 am

Fuck.

shos · Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:44 am

Well. Fuck..

shos · Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:54 am

It does not matter. Lylo - reassess your reads.

shos · Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:06 am

Goddamn guyette.

shos · Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:07 am

If your excuse for the vote is 'I do not care anymore' replace out please, after an unvote

shos · Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:49 pm

Oh mAAAAAn.
I hate quickhammers by reckless townvoting :/

TSO, very well played. Last day my townrrad on scorp was bigger than on you but still DAYUUM.

shos · Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:53 am

Lol.
After heliums flip - i was prepared to relook at tso.

Remind me to never alliw guyette into a lylo..

shos · Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:07 am

I dont think it cost us the game, not at all. This was not a 1v1, too; my vote jumped quite a bit. Eventually, both wagons were on townies, a sthar wagon could have formed but unlikely.

In lylo i think it woulda come up to a real 1v1 between me and sthar. If id have won that, then wed probably lose 3p lylo to tso anyway :/

shos · Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:43 am

You played really great this game. I have nothing to add. Lemme read those QTs.

shos · Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:57 am

UGH.
that was a pain to read.
we should've totally at least lynched Sthar. he got away too easily.

I think I'd be satisfied with a lose if it was on a 3p lylo with TSO; he played brilliantly, and his WK on me worked on me like magic. I was clearly wrong about Helium, and reading guyett's ISO made me come to the right conclusion, but TSO's townread was just...too good. Damn. you played well.

Mollie... *sigh*

shos · Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:42 am

Yes, this was a wonderful game. I have more to say but i will only do that in a while.

Shouldnt have lynched helium. Could sefinitely have lynched sthar. Would never lynch TSO.
Vgg..

shos · Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:52 pm

Likewise. I went against my gut too much.

shos · Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:57 am

pecan, I'm sorry, but it doesn't matter the reason - the defacto thing that happened was that we all got increasingly mad at you. so at the time, this was the spirit to be taken into account.

shos · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:16 am

I understand you, but it is really not false pretenses. he is not asking scorp on how he feels now when he knows you had troubles with connecting; he asks what scorp FELT, as in, in the past, about it, when he was thinking wrong about you.

shos · Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:30 am

Alright guys, I promised and here it comes.
I have just finished this game:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5656708

in which I was scum with mollie. I totally wanted, in my gut, to call OMFG mollie is playing opposite to scum meta, and call helium slot town; but I couldn't, and I didn't, for some reason it just kept not being enough. it was like mind v gut, and mind prevails in me, usually. that will change in future games though

anyway, so I scumread her, and PRECISELY because of that, she thought that I was scum, because I should have known from our scumgame, that she is town, so if I don't, I must be scum lying...

so I kinda fucked up and made mollie mess up as well

shos · Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:20 pm

Yeah well TSO played very well either way.

shos · Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:33 am

Dunno about the team, I think TSO alone deserves like 2 scummies

shos · Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:29 pm

Lol sthar; as i said, i kinda blame myself for fucking up with helium..it wasnt your amazing play xD you were good, but not as brill for the scummy