Open 536: Faith Plus One Game Over! Mafia Win!

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Actually, I was going to, but then this happened.

On V/LA: Internet sporadically up and down, don't know when it'll be fixed.

Hopefully I'll get on once per day.

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The truth is that I'm not fucking hard ISO'ing XScorp. I did it for shos and it's a) unsuccessful and b) a huge waste of time.

So basically I just skimmed his recent posts and these stood out.

I'm such a bad player I hardbuddy my fellow scum player when the whole game calls for his head.

Wake me up when you mislynch shos.

Shos, I'm sorry baby, I tried my best.

You've spent the whole game complaining your reads are wrong. Why should this one be correct?

It didn't and still doesn't sit well with me that he posted this. There's just something off about him discrediting my strongest read of the whole game.

And I haven't spent the whole game complaining my reads are wrong, either. I was wrong on N64/Pasch/Guyett and right on Taylor/Majiffy. Not terrible.

Shos & TSO I'm almost certain is the scumpair

and if I'm wrong I've resigned to conceding the game.

If shos flips town then I have honestly no idea who the scumpair would be. If I were Taylor I'd think it was TSO & sthar8 but that doesn't make much sense to me personally. TSO & Helium? I don't know; N64 thought helium was scum and died. Also TSO's hammer yesterday is so so bad.

OKAY I think I've made up my mind

Shos today. If flips town, TSO & then Helium.

I don't know I don't see what else I should believe.

Firstly, we have 2 lynches left. Not three. You can't lynch shos-TSO-helium.

But secondly it feels like this fucker's lining up my mislynch and I don't like it one bit. Is this self-motivated? Yes, but I'd call bullshit if he did this to anyone.

"If shos is scum, TSO's scum. If shos is Town, TSO's still scum."

What the fuck is this?

But there's something off with the TONE of this post. I bolded what I think is fake and contrived town paranoia. It doesn't feel genuine and if I was in his situation it's not the tone I'd be using.

I urge you, Sthar, and helium too, even though Sthar is going to quote Latin and mollie doesn't respect me enough, to fucking look at this guy. He's been coasting through the whole game and that's something in itself to look out for.

Pecan, I want your opinion on XScorpion too. Please contribute.

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and for the record, mollie and Sthar, if we lose this game and Scorp was scum I am going to bring this up in postgame again and again and again until you realise that you can't criticise ETL's towngame and yet ignore me. I don't have a problem with you reading what I post, telling me it's horseshit and moving on. I can respect and understand that, at least. You not reading my posts, though, gives me a serious problem.

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lol to the first part: I enjoyed your blatant deflection.

You're assuming shos is going to flip scum - I'm not. As far as I'm concerned, it's LyLo tomorrow if shos is lynched.

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the XScorp lynch means it won't be LyLo

are you happy being mislynched or do you want to take scum down with you? if you do, time to fight.

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Well, I like to think I helped somewhat...

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Prod pecan, bubba.

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No problem at all, m'boy.

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#LEAVETSOALIVE2014

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anypony

Is this going to be a thing now? Because I find it extremely offensive. If it persists, I may have to start posting without vowels, or in political slogans or comic quotes or something.

Oh god. This.

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So we should really start moving again.

Sthar, much as I agree with you on "everypony" *shivers* you should answer shos. Why is helium Town, in your eyes?

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Tell us when you have it so we can lynch you.

Can anypony tell me why they thonk helium is town?

You're calling helium-scorp?

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Look, as a matter of fact i have no idea about the scumteam. I think things, none are sure except the tso townread.

Do you think it's possible you can convince town not to lynch you?

If you think you can, don't self-hammer.

If you don't, I'll hammer.

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on an off note, I See Fire by Ed Sheeran is MAGICAL. Look it up.

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XSCORP.

His partner is between Sthar and mollie.

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That's a waste of time - I'm not sure if Mollie's scum, I'm more sure on my old buddy XScorp. Plus, no support from anyone else.

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Dear TSO:
Why is your hammer yesterday NOT a scumtell?

I'm very sorry for hammering my scumread. Damn.

If you want to discredit me, you'll have to do a better job than that, Scorpy.

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What discussion was going on which I felt relevant? More to the point, if I saw a scumread at L-1, why would I not hammer them?

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and yeah I get you tell us all about 5 times that you're hammering before you do it as so not to do what you're accusing me of. Don't think I missed it.

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When everyone suspects someone, they're invariably Town. That's a rule of late-game. I have one other which I'm not revealing until LyLo, but I'm confident in it.

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Mollie hasn't post in 5 days 6 hours in ANY account.

VOTE: Mollie

really guys. she's lurking this day to and end when I'm lynched.

Alternatively, she's genuinely not here at all.

What discussion was going on which I felt relevant? More to the point, if I saw a scumread at L-1, why would I not hammer them?

Maybe because you're not the only person in this game? But thanks a lot for letting day 4 end without any of my questions being answered to my satisfaction.
Speaking of scumreads, almost every read you have had this game has been wrong so why are you so adamant that shos is town?

What questions do you feel would have been useful in the posts you quoted?

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Love you Bubba baby.

Scorp will respond tonight.

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I am still here scorp, and thanks for not giving up cos I sure as hell have.

shos is scum. I am not how any clearer I can be. there is nothing to add, nothing to discuss <---- we have all already done that.

it is shos and tso. I get this. star gets this. I think even guyett is about there. I have not understood why this day has dragged out like it has. I feel apathetic and like I do not give a fuck. I don't think we will win. I think shos and tso are going to talk you into lynching me then star and then they will win. they will not have won cos they played a fantastic altho was pretty good! they will have won town was derpy, lurkey and have let scum control the game. look at those hammers scorp, scum has been controlling the game the entire time.

I am just ready to get to postgame so that I can go off on some people (not etl) cos this was fucking ridiculous.

I promise you, this is the last time I'll reach out to you. If it doesn't work, then I'll give up and never try again.

I'm going to vote you, mollie. Not because I think you're scum - I genuinely don't know. I've been procrastinating on you and Sthar. Ignore that for now.

What is your plan if and when shos flips town? What is your read on XScorp? You need to answer this.

Why do you think I'd do this, mollie? What game plan do you think shos and I have? Blatantly buddy each other until it becomes stupidly obvious? Is that it?

Do you think shos is that bad a player? More to the point, do you think I'M that bad a player? Hyperbuddying doesn't work unless the two of you are semi-confTown. And shos definitely is not.

Look at it from my PoV: I'm Town, pecan is Town. I believe Guyett is Town and yes, I believe shos is Town.

From my viewpoint, XScorpion is nearly confscum. No-one actually has a read on him. It's like he's some sort of phantom who melds into the background and emerges to wreak havoc. My push on him has been ignored by everyone but shos. Why? I don't understand it. I believe it's because everyone's read on him is so confused that nobody can be bothered to extricate themselves from it.

This is me, as genuine TSO, as genuine as I can be, as good as I can be, asking you to listen to me. Just once more.

Unvote:
Vote: pirate mollie

I want to vote XScorp. I don't know about you, but I'm almost sure I do know about shos. This is completely compromise - I want XScorp hung today.

Do you really believe it's me and shos? Or are you tired to see the truth?

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shut up.

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oh lol.

Scorp can't conscionably hammer when there's resistance. You know that, shos. You're twisting facts to suit your theory, when it should be the opposite.

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Time to follow the conftown.
15 Hours left, I might as well do this.
VOTE: Helium

Wow, you scumfuck.

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hi pecan what's the inconsistencies with my reads? I don't see it.

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It does not matter. Lylo - reassess your reads.

VOTE: shos

#yolo
#votefirstinlylo
#notasinglefuckbeinggiven

UNVOTE.

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Fuck it, my reads have been off this game.

Vote: shos

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VOTE: shos

Just to be sure.

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I have no problem with releasing our QT, but I'll waiit for Sthar.

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I don't think that would be fair.

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thought mollie lynch was terrible, guys.

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http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/Nvsrgn4kvCT

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tl;dr yes, I do. I think I get demotivated as Town a lot.

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I seem to get paranoid as Town of everyone - I think this is what leads to my deathtunnel/demotivation tells, as they're at the opposite end of the spectrum (deathtunnel being sure, disinterest meaning no idea).

Whereas with scum I can see the end goal, it's just a matter of how to get there, which is infinitely more exciting.

I genuinely don't understand how you can like playing town.

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I was town.

this game should have been easy to win, I worked so hard at setting up on d1 for a town win. so hard. you know I have not been lynched very often but as of late I have had to eat 3 mislynches. it is ridiculous that I am getting lynched for the reasons that are given. there are a couple of mislynches that I have earned, titanium my very first game and lord tater where I antagonised thorella to the point where he wanted to get rid of me. I did not earn this 1. I. did. not. earn. this. 1.

I remember in asofai when thorella was being strung up as a utility lynch and mara was being strung up for really dumb meta reasons, the pain I could hear in their posts. it pulled at the heartstrings at the time but it is an entirely different thing to experience it first hand. I think I worked harder in this game than I have in nearly all of my games cos I looked at the playerlist and got excited and was all like "yes it can happen! town can win!". I think the heart (and the brains) went out of the game when mastina went awol.

this game was so disappointing and it had so much potential! and it just makes me sad. I poured a lot of time and energy into this game and mebbe the lesson here is that I really need to detach a bit and not get so invested. cos sitting here and basically crying a bit sucks and really shouldn't be happeningg! but I don't play mafia just for fun I also play to learn things about myself and other people. and I guess I just have to sit back and say, "I did all I could". it just hurts to have all of some1's efforts be so...dismissed.

there is not 1 good reason to lynch me, not 1. but I know when I first joined this site I wound up in a couple of lylos and could not see the trees cos of the fog and made really really stupid choices in a couple of lylos so I guess I can understand how you can wind up not being able to see a goddamn thing The Mist is so thick, it happens I guess.

I am not entirely sure who is scum. I think shos is scummy as fuck and I find tso's hard defense a little bizarre but their blatant fist-bumping bromance and their complete and total steering of the game is almost too scummy to be scum. their reasoning is so BAD and tso's flat out does not care what the answers to his questions are <---- this is mind-boggingly bad. I dunno.

pecan pie - in 8 sites and over 200 games you are the

WORST

conftown player I have ever encountered. you completely fucked your team over and if we lose a good portion of this loss is at your feet. I mean why do you even sign up for games if all you are going to do is lurk them out, not engage the players and then show up at dl with a shitty case leaving no time to refute the misreps? why bother? on a jerome scale of 1 to 10 you are a fucking 25 and I really hope that I do not have the displeasure of playing with you ever again.

usually at this time scum hangs back cos they are so close to winning and they don't want to screw it up. that points to guyett and star. guyett never let me in ever and I reached out so many times. if he is town then I get the message loud and clear; I am just not good enough for you. you shot me n1 in 1 game and refuse to interact with me in another and then lynch by poe when it isn't about poe it seems to be about who you think is valuable and i hear you that you think I am less than that of a player. cos by poe I should be the most cleared player here. with my votes, my play and my associations. if you are scum okay well good job I guess. ironically it doesn't change the way I feel.

star if you are town, what a disappointment.

scorp I did not like how you abdicated responsibility for your vote by sheeping a conftown who obviously did not give a fuck about the game.

mebbe it can turn around tomorrow. I hope so. I have been in mylos where we did just that. so the situ is not hopeless it just isn't easy.

lesson learned: DETACH FROM THE OUTCOME MOLLIE OR IT WILL BREAK YOUR HEART!!!

anyways good luck. I certainly don't envy the remaining town.

peace

oh god I wanted to hug you so hard for this

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oh Sthar I refreshed the page 5 times before I hammered because I was so paranoid of my Internet fucking me

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Guyett was town though

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ah pieguyn, you amuse me

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if I could improve on anything as scum, what would it be?

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Thoughts:

This game, I had serious fun. It was a nailbiting ride right up until the end, so much so when I saw I had victory at my fingertips with the hammer I reloaded the page over 5 times to make sure I wasn't going to fuck the win over. A really, really incredible game the whole way through, possibly my favorite game on-site, right up there with War in the Middle East.

Starting thoughts were that although I was my preferred alignment (undecided on whether I'd prefer Serial Killer or this; arguably the comradeship of scumbuddies in the QT helps tip the balance), from what I could see our scumteam wasn't particularly strong. Obscurity had completely flaked, and I had no idea he was active lurking. willwang was also missing in action, leading to a zero-man scumteam in the first 15 pages. Did this help? Probably. Often strongest reads are formed in this period of time, and you could see Town turning on itself. I almost got repped out before I got my shit together (at this stage I was playing over 12 games and it's something I will never ever comprehend doing again) and just made it in before bubba pushed me out in place of a replacement.

Starting suspicion on the Taylor hydra was fairly bad, guys. It's easy to talk when you know the scumteam, yes, but their play was fucking oozing and bleeding town. Grimgroove, in particular, seemed to be on some path of destruction against him. Seeing my chance to grab some towncred, I decided to white knight them. Guyett continued on about some stupid associative which was what-the-fuck level but started to irritate me. I talked him down, yelled at Grimgroove a while. White noise.

Then Sthar replaced in for willwang. This was quite unexpected. Me and Sthar had ...issues in another game, where my life was going badly and I started insulting him back. It's something that's definitely over now, but it seriously pissed me off at the time. Suffice to say, there was history there. Briefly I contemplated replacing out, but I had a decent foundation in the game at that stage and I also knew Sthar was a pretty strong player from that game. I wanted to see what we could achieve together.

Sthar: what about my start convinced you I was scum?

Then Obscurity happened. Shos called him out for active lurking, he got force-replaced out and he fucked his slot by saying he was aative lurking. Right there, that sealed the d1 lynch. It was such an incredibly scummy post I barely wasted time on an agenda to save Majiffy, who deserved serious credit for replacing into a doomed slot. And really, he didn't do a huge amount wrong, but I felt he might might might have been able to wriggle out of the d1 noose, and claim a PR or something to help us. Something no-one picked up on was me talking itt to Majiffy about his plan in #1629. As it was, everyone claimed, Taylor proposed a decent strategy and Majiffy got hung.

Sthar and I lamented how we hadn't even managed to get towncred on Majiffy's wagon, and we were now down a member (against a set-up which is townsided anyway, in my opinion, but was ridiculously so at that stage). Worse still, Grimgroove had given a list of possible targets with my name and Sthar's on it. If he was allowed to stay alive, we could potentially have 4 confirmed-town players, or one of us auto-dead. With that in mind, we went for the Grimgroove shot. And we nailed it.

Out of interest, who did Grimgroove investigate?

With Grim shot to shit and the RNG on our side, Sthar and I embarked on a bit of scum-theatre. This wasn't hard to fake, because it wasn't fake. Then Guyett and Sthar pulled their fakehammer shit. For what it's worth, that trick has ran its time with any player from pre-Sept '13. I always check the vote counts when someone hammers me, as scum OR as town. Sthar shouldn't have been cleared on that. Annoyingly, the whole game agreed Guyett was Town. This meant I had to release my tunnel, which was probably for the best anyway, but meant more work. My WK-reads in shos and Taylor were backing me, which made me nigh-unlynchable. Someone had to be found to be lynched, and Maestro was the man this time around. Honestly, I didn't interact enough with him to vote him, and that should have been suspicious. We pushed it through, but RNG fucked our Faith Healer kill.

I'm not going to continue typing endlessly. This pattern continued. We pushed lynches. We missed kills. Rinse and repeat. This game was incredibly hard with us having 2 conftown players, albeit one afk, and getting no nightkills. Sthar was positive when I began to get irritated. This definitely helped. We persevered in lynching, and it worked. This game had an incredibly strong playerlist. There wasn't one Town player who I would consider near bad. No Village Idiots, nothing. Anyway, we finally nailed our Taylor kill, and the first chink of armour cracked in the armour of the Town. We genuinely couldn't believe our luck when molliie was lynched. Every other mislynch had evidence to back it, some sort of case. There was NOTHING on mollie. It was incredible. She started getting Townier and Townier when she became in-danger, to the stage where I nearly wanted to say stop because it was so horrible to watch. Her play didn't deserve that.

We got to the final day, and we all know what happened. Guyett placed votes, and Sthar brilliantly set out his stall to semi-confirm shos as scum. Truly top-notch play. And the rest is history. I placed the hammer. We won the game.

#3198 made me shed a tear, by the way. them feels, mollie.

Final thing here is I've got to give a shoutout to firstly Majiffy, but secondly and far more importantly, Sthar. You were magnificent, and it was a total blast playing with you. I felt our interactions alone ruled us out as a scumteam, which is usually nigh-imposible, but we pulled it off. I had serious fun playing with and against competent players, but none more so than you. Truly, remarkable.

lmao this is the longest post I've ever written here

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yes it has, Titus was a Faith Healer in that set-up, let me link

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30411

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mollie <3

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but my towngame is incredibly bad so don't blame me ;_;

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Also btw TSO is town via a superawesome thing I have

lol. just don't lynch TSO, kay? ever and stuff?

What superawesome thing?

I'm here, was V/LA over Christmas and NY, but I tried to read up and stay on top of things.

There's so much talk going on in this game I feel like it's exhausted reads. Perhaps some value in wagon analysis?

can you plz for the love of god just fucking do something. plz comment on the game cos while you are conftown you are not the

only

town and some of us (and I am still trying to work through who that is! <---- will you plz help with this process?) are trying to figure things out.

this is a reach out btw

This was a big reach-out, in fairness.

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I'm guessing that since he KNEW you were Town when he said that, it doesn't exactly follow that he should have to do that now...

I'm afraid, Guyett my boy, you're going to be waiting a long while for those pics.

lol doesn't mean Town wins them all - I got berated in Endgame of my Large Normal by a Scumteam who thought the game was too Town-sided...even though they'd won
this just happened to be a Town that was just stubborn enough and just misled enough that it didn't matter if the setup was Town-sided

Pretty sure I ranted in the QT about how stupidly Town-sided this set-up is.

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I mean, this game would have almost certainly been over if Grim had Insp'd me/Sthar and stayed alive. The Cop makes it really unfair.

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yaaaay

Bubba, you're the man

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I really hate to toot my own horn, but I have no problem with this.

#shamelessselfpromotion

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Sthar, I still love you