Open 536: Faith Plus One Game Over! Mafia Win!

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Mollie for ffucks sake its not. I play it up as scum when its necesaary but that shit doesn wlfuckin work.

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Goddammit.

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And you say my case is shit. Your top "scum reads" are people suspecting YOU.

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How can an observation possibly be a fucking lie... you are trying to say I fucking made shit up when helium has noticed the same goddamn thing.

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That's 2 people who have independently noticed a difference in your play and that's "lies"?? Come on.

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And I dont give a shit if the entire playerlist thinks you're mith's fuckin gift to town. I suspect you. I think there is something off with your interactions and reactions here. I think that miht make you svum.

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That is he most bullshit conclusion you could possibly come up with grim. Our alignment has nothing to do with helium's and to suggest it does just reeks.

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no shos. go read them.

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OMFG GRIM. I HAVE EXPLAINED EXACTLY WHY I'M MAD AT YOU. STOP PRETENDING I DID.T

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AND FOR ANOTHER THING. I DONT EXPECT TO BE TOWN READ. FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON MASTIN DOES.

So fuck off grim. You eanna talk about lies. Holy shit. You asked me directly why i was mad and GUESS WHAT I FUCKING TOLD YOU. Get uour story straight.

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Pasch ffs i havent even been gievn a chance!

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mastin an u are tlaking. but as i'm rathr durnk atm, that will happen tomorr.w

etl

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shamon you. this is a town slot for real.

seriously. i am disappoitned.

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It's Hebrew.

i'm beginning to get a helium hydra town feeling.

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wow holy fuck.

fuck you.

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"emo bullshit"

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And this latest post is just as insulting. Grim said I lied about his presence. I corrected him. Get your shit straight and lay off me.

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I bitched at sakura for giving up and self voting. I have done neither.

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I asked mod about a couple days extra for the recent crap access we've had. I kind of forgot about Thanksgiving. Which, I'll be doing and stuff, this week/weekend.

So... bubba... Can we please put the deadline on pause through the holiday? So I can eat food and be fat and sluggish and/or drunk with my family? <3

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Then lynch us mollie. Lynch us so we can flip town and you can eat crow.

Mk. When I said bye its not for tday. I am done with this game.

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Guyett, please hammer me.

The rest of you, lynch pasch, N64, and sthar8.

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Because you're being stubborn about protecting grim?

That's not it. We did explain it. You didn't understand it. That is not an insult. Please do not preserve your ego when it could hurt us.

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I agree that the other FHs should claim. That would lock up a Taylor lynch immediately and set us with two scum lynches in a row. That would be excellent.

If anyone is wondering, I never actually townread Majiffy, I just didn't think the case on him was compelling. I'm glad it was right anyway, but it didn't seem like it would be at the time. Make of that what you will.

I think looking at Jiffy's reads is good,

but I'm not sure yet what approach he took with his allies.

Careful rereads will be needed.

Given how crappy the Majiffy wagon looks to me, I think that his teammates had to have bussed him. All three of Jiffy's townreads (Guyett, Shos, and TSO) voted for him. Half of his scumreads (Helium and Pecan) did. Of his 5 nulls, only 2 (Scorp and N64) did. Again, careful rereads, but I think that comparing those two lists will be helpful.

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I am sick of losing to them.

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@mod: Due to a family emergency, I need a few days V/LA

No problem. Family first.

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At least internally decide who you're going to lynch tomorrow. We have a set number of mislynches and a set number of kills Scum can make in the pseudoconfirmed before the game becomes Russian roulette before or during LyLo, and if that happens at this point it would be sad. Go back; check on Jiffy (who points to heliumTown), get rid of N64 and shos first would be my preference and don't let up on Pasch after I'm gone because he's going to have to answer for today, I'm hoping. Even tho I'm reading it as a Towntunnel it shouldn't be dismissed as on. Same for mollie v. ETL pre-FH claim -

everything

is still relevant.

Other than that: shos is letting loose some subtle buddying (look to his Guyett posts over since the "Scumclaim") and XScorp/T S O aren't leaving much of an impression on me at all.

Townbloc:

Taylor, popp, Guyett, sthar8

Scum are in:

shos -> N64 -> XScorp -> T S O -> Paschendale -> helium

Define hamstringing in this instance.

I'm telling you to lynch me first if you think I'm Scum because we have enough mislynches available to us that it doesn't

really

matter if I'm lynched

AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR AFTERWARDS

. If you think I'm Scum, my opinion doesn't matter to you, and if you think I'm Town, you won't lynch me. When I flip Town, my reasoning won't matter because (you're right!) it could be completely wrong even if I had an internal sense of exactly why I'm reading people the way I am.

As it is, I don't have much of a sense for this game because when I replaced in I did so with the idea that I wouldn't read any of the game past what I had to read to get immediate context on what was going on. It's just a game, and it's more fun for me to do it this way - I think it's kinda helping me stay objective too. I have no ida what my predecessor did that several of you thought automagically linked him with Majiffy...and frankly I don't care. I'm not here to pull an amished and I'm not here to do the reverse. My predecessor doesn't matter to me; I matter to me.

For the record, you getting frustrated and engaging with me is better than anything Pasch has been doing to push his "case".
If I go, people can switch you and him in my preferred lynch order.

And N64 can go shove his buddying accusations up his well-formed ass because I don't give two shits what he thinks.

Spoiler:

Everything above is @XScorp's #2295. I'm laughing hard at how helium and Pasch are sheeping like pros.

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What are your reads then, sthar8? Do you have an alternative to pasch?

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Wow. "not a single useful opinion"? Hahaha wow. Fuck you and your constant discredits.

Just wow.

The fact that you were "wrong about Jiffy" makes it worse than me mistaking your read on grim.

And maestro was not the scummiest player here. The entire time that was going on you were screaming about shos and N64 too. So......... lol...

Called Jiffy town? He was scum.
Called Taylor scum? We are town.
Called maestro scum? He was town.

Next?

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dem reversals

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HOLY FUCKING SHIT PASCH. EVERY FUCKING TIME, EH? A LITTLE JAB, EVERY FUCKING TIME. YOU MUST BE COMPLETELY UNABLE TO MAKE A POST WITHOUT ATTEMPTING TO DISCREDIT THE PERSON COMING AFTER YOU.

I HAVE OTHER SUSPECTS. I HAVE HAD OTHER SUSPECTS. I HAVE DISCUSSED THESE SUSPECTS AND WE HAVE PUSHED THEM FOR REACTIONS.

THE VERY FIRST LINE IN YOUR POST IS A FUCKING SCUM CLAIM IF I EVER SAW ONE. "No matter how this game ends, " MEAING "EVEN IF YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT ME BEING SCUM, I WANT YOUR APOLOGY FOR SCUM HUNTING ME".

FUCK. YOU. AND EAT. ROPE.

Helium, you promised me a pasch vote today should Maestro flip town. I will understand if you choose not to but I have to say that your reads have been really, really, really, really off this game. I'm sorry. But this is true.

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I could see N64 or shos partners with pasch. But you don't think pasch would bus? Why not?

And you are not exactly clear. You are close to it. I have Guyett as a stronger town read than you.

What is coprophagia?

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Mollie, should I just continue with my stale reads then? I think that shows less humility than admitting a mistake was made and I need to reevaluate what's going on. Clearly I was blinded by one of my town reads when going after pasch.

They must all be re-evaluated.

Nowhere did I say I was absolutely positively planning to vote

you

. Are you a possibility at this point? Hell fucking yes you are. If you think there's any logical reason in hell that you should NOT be an option right now, you are the one who has zero humility.

What's with the AtE anyway? Blacklisting me in the middle of the game? Don't you think that's something better saved for afterwards?

So yeah. That's all.

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He's scumposting and you're stupid for not seeing it.

Vs.

He's scumposting. Here's what scumposting is:
Example and reasoning
Example and reasoning
Etc
Etc
Etc

SEE THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE, MOLLIE? I'LL GET TO TALKING TO GUYETT WHEN I'M READY.

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@mod: I am sick with plague. V/LA for a day or so. Be back Saturday.

So yeah review will have to wait. Shit hit me like a ton of bricks this afternoon.

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Thanks mollie. That post, i understand completely and dont disagree. I thought about it myself (playing scum two games in a row and then getting town).

Shos and tso need a lot of work for me. I'm pretty sold on N64. I had a gut feeling about him early because i didnt like his d1 posts. I felt they were opportunistic but mastin felt he could be town, so we put him aside while we sorted others. His d3 posts were far better and i started to doubt my read, especially with my focus on pasch. I printed out bubba's iso today and checked through the vc's. N64's votes were extremely weird. He'd hop on a town lynch mid wagon, unvote, and then revote for the L-1. I know this sounds weird but it looked like he was avoiding being in the middle. Except i then saw his name on every town wagon. Ours,grim's, maestro's and pasch. I think he will actually lead us to the last, but i'm really sick right now so i didnt finish the analysis looking for partners or at tso or shos votes.

Sthar is still suspicious EXCEPT for his reaction to guyett's fake hammer. I'm not sure how much weight that should receive because i've reaped tons of town cred off l-1 and fake hammer reactions as scum, and i've seen others do it too. In terms of evidence, there's more against him as town than there is for it. The issue is how that evidence is weighted.

If yall can hold off a lynch for a day or two, we can talk about those too but right now i'm going back to law and order and puffs plus.

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WTF

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it's like he had a stroke mid-post.

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regardless of the flip shos goes next imo.
after that its between you and helium

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Its not subtle. Its an "I agree with this."

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But i thought he waa saying that to tso. I'd replace you with tso.

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oh. no.

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but guyett's plan is pretty good, if you replace yourself with TSO, and put it in this order:

shos, then TSO, then toss up between you and Helium. I think you're both town though, scum is def between {N64, shos, TSO}, with TSO being the least scummy in there, but less town than you/helium.

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I would say it's more likely sthar8 and helium, with you as an outside shot.

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I would say it's more likely sthar8 and helium, with you as an outside shot.

O_o how do you figure?

How much worth do you give to guyett's fakehammer? From my perspective it means that the two (sthar8/guyett) are either a scumteam, or guyett is scum with someone else (very very unlikely), or both are town (most likely). Do you really think sthar8 could be scum with guyett as town after their interaction?

I think you are making the mistake of linking sthar8 to guyett. Don't do that. Guyett is very much town here, but for sthar8 the only thing putting him in the town pile is his reaction to guyett's fakehammer. The only scenario, imo, where sthar8's alignment would be linked to guyett's is if GUYETT is scum. It's just as likely, should n64 or shos flip town, that sthar8 is scum independent of guyett, and you need to realize that right away. Guyett is 99.99% town here. He knows I can read him. The 0.01% is only because we have had two no-kills. Assuming they targeted us, I'd peg guyett for it, but I highly doubt it here based on his overall play and the fake hammer.

So to your question, absolutely. Abso-fuckin-lutely.

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I'd like to point out that N64 has completely gone silent since hammer.

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Another loss.

So.. calling out sthar8's fakecrumbs and trying to explain how sthar8's only town point was his reaction to the fakehammer didnt work. -.-

Good job TSO. You did really really well. You both deserve the win.

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I have had games where I just couldn't get to it, whether it was access issues, time constraints, or just a general lack of motivation at facing 100+ pages to sift through. pecan, while it would have been nice to have you around more, I don't fault you in the least for what happened here. There are people I do blame. I am one of them. My reads were not great. I was distracted by some town players being unable or unwilling to work with me. Unfortunately, by the time I did start getting onto sthar8, I was killed. I never would have caught up to TSO though. There was too much noise from other people to zero in on him properly. For me anyway.

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It wouldn't have mattered. I was convinced N64 was scum and I would have done anything to push it through. Same as pasch. I was wrong.

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It doesn't really matter, mollie. I like you a lot but you have been extremely mean, hurtful, and nasty lately. I saw your list of people you don't want to play with in another game and it was rather extensive, beyond just me and Guyett. (I have one person. One. On my list.) You blamed everyone here without taking any responsibility for what you contributed to the atmosphere in this game.

You

were

hostile.

You

were

hateful.

You

do

need a break if you are going to treat people this way.

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you were and are all of these things too. own it.

I have and do.

I also have 4 hydra partners who refuse to play with you fyi.

You say you aren't hurtful, but this is hurtful. You are going out of your way to tell me that people don't like me. Instead of just making a vague statement about "4 hydra partners", why don't you tell them to say it to me personally.

I am taking a break from games. I have made an effort to tone down my rage. This game is a contributing factor in that decision.

Yet you continue to say hurtful things. That's not right.

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That was very hurtful mollie. Very. I want you to know that. What you said has made me extremely upset.