Open 536: Faith Plus One Game Over! Mafia Win!

[Guyett]

probably... is this a problem? why is n64 a better lynch than star pasch or shos?

[Guyett]

lol double slip ftw

[Guyett]

because he's scum

and because I have really bad heartburn right now

that's why

could you make a small case on him? I will reread and if my thoughts match yours I will get on that wagon

[Guyett]

@mod scorpion is voting Maestro

@scorp the mod prob missed it because the vote was hidden away

UNVOTE:

The vote count reflects this already?

[Guyett]

Oh god one is more than enough

[Guyett]

Oh god one is more than enough

fuck you Guy, thought we were friends

I'm sorry x

[Guyett]

Tso we need to have words about your reads when this is finished

[Guyett]

This setup is Open. All potential roles players may receive are below
--

Mafia Goon

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Goon, along with your partners, [Player Name] and [Player Name].

Abilities:

Factional communication:

During the night phase you may talk with your partners here

[QuickTopic link].
Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partners may perform the factional kill.

Win condition:

You win when all members of the town have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

--

Since when do scum get day talk in this game?

[Guyett]

who was that facepalm aimed at?

[Guyett]

So maestro and stahr as the last 2 scum?

[Guyett]

VOTE: stahr

[Guyett]

Since when do scum get day talk in this game?

When did you start drinking this morning?
.

I was prob still drunk from last night... Christmas parties are great (2 bottles of wine and a few shots haha)

[Guyett]

Yo Taylor what do you think if the wagons??

[Guyett]

Excellent

VOTE: sthar

[Guyett]

what are your reads? get them down before the thread is closed

[Guyett]

Check out this garbage town:

Taylor- votes me "because"
helium- votes me "because"
scorp- sheeps taylor
64- omgus
shos- omgus
guyett- "i didnt read but i love a hammer!

and the rest:
tso- not reading me because he's mad about another game
pasch- not reading my posts because they're "boooring"
pie- "i'm a healer, so i don't have to contriute"

I'm missing somebody but they're probably sucking at this game too.

fuck you town, you deserve to lose. I'm gonna take a break for a couple weeks, then seriously consider a blacklist/

guy and anti, i won't be joining your games because i'm overloaded still, not because i'm mad at you/ (but i'm totally mad at you. good fucking god your play this game)

Who is scum?

[Guyett]

VOTE: maestro

[Guyett]

...where was all this BEFORE you got lynched?

In the thread

you're not reading.

i'm out. see you postgame.

same could be said about you...

[Guyett]

guyett why did you hammer, I was not done with the day

Is no-one reading the fucking thread?

[Guyett]

Since when did I hammer?

[Guyett]

Vote Count 2.04
Maestro (2) : XScorpion, Paschendale sthar8 (4) : shos, Guyett , N64Lord, helium-3 Guyett (1) : T S O N64Lord (1) : sthar8 Not Voting (3) : Maestro, Taylor, pieceofpecanpie
With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2013-12-18 20:50:00)

Got some nice reactions out of sthar though

[Guyett]

It was a nice town reaction from sthar. people need to move their votes to maestro or pasch

[Guyett]

I do love me a good fake hammer

[Guyett]

I have lost all interest in helium as scum for now. I don't want Taylor lynched as they are a claimed FH.
That leaves Pecan, TSO, Pasch, Stahr8, Maestro, shos, scorpion and n64.
I've been thinking about TSO and tbh this hilarious tunnelling of his reminds me of his town games so I don't want him lynched.
I'm liking pecan for town too. Same with scorp.
So we no have Pasch, star, maestro, shos and n64

Based on jiffys posts I think shos might be scum. just iso him and ctrl+f shos to see if you see what I see.

VOTE: shos

From this read list that you seem to have missed (and for some reason helium forgotten your interaction with me at the end of the day :S )

Helium, Taylor, TSO, Pecan and Scorp are all town

then you have Pasch, Star, Maestro, shos and n64.
n64 is null. Pash is a null scum lean
Shos is scum based on jiffy interactions. Either Star or maestro are the buddy imo

WHY THE FUCK CAN YOU NOT READ!!!!
I HAVE GIVEN YOU MY FUCKIN READS

Adding Sthar to my town pile

n64 is still null, pasch is null scum
shos and maestro need wagons

[Guyett]

we are going to poe the shit out of this game

Hell yeah

I need to recalibrate. I will get back to you.

Also Guyett is town; I hope everyone sees that. He does that as town. Like every time.

ETL

I told you so

I OBV TOWN WHEN I WANT!!! I OBV TOWN WHEN I WAAAANT. MY NAME IS GUYETT. I OBV TOWN WHEN I WANT!

[Guyett]

I don't think sthar knows that he hasn't been hammered

[Guyett]

there is a small chance that was all an act from him but I doubt it. I think I got him.

the lynch pool is tightening down.
Shos/Pasch/Maestro has the 2 scum imo

[Guyett]

Current Vote Count

Maestro (4): XScorpion, Paschendale, Guyett, helium-3
sthar8 (1): N64Lord, ,
Guyett (1): T S O
N64Lord (1): sthar8
Pasch (1): Taylor
Not Voting (3): Maestro, pieceofpecanpie, shos

[Guyett]

Unvote

Goddamnit, I was wrong on everything.

Its ok TSO

Now lets lynch some scum fuckers

[Guyett]

speaking of shit...

Spoiler:

I will eat shit if Guyett is town.

[Guyett]

because he is town

[Guyett]

Who do you think is scum?

[Guyett]

Shos isn't on the maestro wagon?
But I'm perfectly fine with a shos lynch

[Guyett]

Maestro you need to get a vote down

[Guyett]

Maestro you need to get a vote down

WAIT DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO BISH

[Guyett]

WHERE ARE YOU STHAR?????

[Guyett]

TSO lets hear some opininons on who is scum
Day is getting shorter now

[Guyett]

not Maestro or shos?

[Guyett]

ok vote maestro

[Guyett]

I'm debating whether discussing FH actions aids scum more than us.

I don't think we should.

I think its best to leave them both decide themselves. don't give scum a road map of who to kill and who not to kill.

[Guyett]

Before I do, what's your opinion on Pasch and N64?

I'd prefer a pasch lynch than a n64 lynch.. but I haven't really looked at n64 in a while

[Guyett]

Maestro (5): XScorpion, Paschendale, Guyett, helium-3, T S O
sthar8 (1): N64Lord
N64Lord (1): sthar8
Paschendale (1): Taylor
Shos (1): Maestro
Not Voting (2): , shos, pieceofpecanpie

[Guyett]

That's L-1

@Helium why?

[Guyett]

stop getting distracted by shiney things

(just saying it so the other head doesn't have to )

[Guyett]

TSO is town... I've been saying for aaaaaages (well since the start of the day anyway)

[Guyett]

@Mod could you give sthar a friendly reminder that he hasn't been hammered and is needed, thanks

Yes.

[Guyett]

Sthar come on lets chat
who do you think is scum?

[Guyett]

I want to talk to sthar before moving from maestro

[Guyett]

Hell even I included Pasch in my suspect list. Guy's fishy as hell.

I mean, he didn't vote for Majiffy and then pushed the idea that we should look off that wagon for today's lynch, a notion that town has largely embraced and is fueling the current wagon. Clearly he has some kind of duplicitous agenda.

Most lists put me at third or fourth most likely to be scum... in a game with two living scum. But if you have a case on me, TSO, please share it. Thinking back, other than ETL screaming that I misrep'd her (hint: I didn't), nobody's really got an articulated case on me.

Spoiler: votecount

Vote Count 0.25
Shos (2) : Blueberry, sthar8 Paschendale (1) : Taylor helium-3 (3) : Majiffy, Paschendale, Grimgroove Majiffy (7) : helium-3, XScorpion, N64Lord, Guyett , T S O, pieceofpecanpie, shos Not Voting (0) : none
With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2013-12-04 19:40:00)

VOTE: Pasch

What kind of rope would you like?

Fixed image, would prefer if you didn't call people retarded..

[Guyett]

don't know why the image failed :/

[Guyett]

If you capitalize Guy I'm gonna assume you're addressing me

[Guyett]

Guy, what do you want to discuss? Nobody has made a counterargument to anything I've said. I'm willing to listen to reason, but I'm not going to blindly sheep the town that almost mislynched me.

We'll you're pretty fucking town in almost everyones eyes now so start throwing your weight around a bit

Who do you explicitly not want to vote? Who do you really want to vote for? who will you compromise for to vote?

I'm very ok with a shos lynch btw

[Guyett]

I'm fine on maestro, shos and pasch

[Guyett]

VOTE: maestro

[Guyett]

Maestro (4): XScorpion, Paschendale, helium-3, Guyett
sthar8 (1): N64Lord,
shos(1): Maestro
N64Lord (1): sthar8
Pasch (1): Taylor, T S O,
Not Voting (2): shos, pieceofpecanpie

Can we stop fucking around and just lynch obv scum maestro?

[Guyett]

His play here reminds me of ns's play in this game
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31826

the play of a player subbing into a scummy slot knowing they'll likely get lynched so doing damage limitation.

[Guyett]

Different player yes but similar scenario

[Guyett]

Start producing content maestro

[Guyett]

Lynch him now pls ETL. then we will look at shos or pasch tomorrow

[Guyett]

What did I ignore?

[Guyett]

Thats because they're pretty obviously town

[Guyett]

VOTE: pasch

[Guyett]

Is pasch gone yet?

[Guyett]

Pascch tell me who you think the last 2 scum are?

[Guyett]

VOTE: n64

wouldn't oppose a shos lynch

[Guyett]

VOTE: shos

n64 tomorrow

[Guyett]

can we quickhammer shos on chrimbo pls

[Guyett]

TSO I'll rescind your shit eating episode if you hammer

[Guyett]

shos is scum TSO. I've scum read him for 2 days now. if its not him we PoE and win
n64 looks like almost certain scum now and if shos is town scorp is possibly scum... not sold on helium at all yet but that read is dependent on the next flip

[Guyett]

who are you thinking of voting for Taylor?

[Guyett]

UNVOTE:

[Guyett]

VOTE: n64
we can PoE from here

[Guyett]

he's prob scum

[Guyett]

shos, Taylor, XScorpion, N64Lord, T S O, helium-3, Guyett, sthar8, pieceofpecanpie

Taylor and Pecan are conf town
I'm town
Sthar is town from the reaction to the fake hammer
TSO is town because scum TSO wouldn't say he'd eat shit if I was town

Leaves shos, XScorpion, N64Lord, helium-3

I don't think Helium is scum
Scorp is not as strong a town read as helium
64 and shos are prob scum
we lynch from there
we've a 1 in 2 chance of hitting scum by lynching from the {shos, XScorpion, N64Lord, helium-3} pool

[Guyett]

no, he is part of my lynch pool

[Guyett]

Trust me TSO is town. got a very very good feeling.

[Guyett]

shos just lynch him

[Guyett]

DAT HAMMER!!!

[Guyett]

who do you think is scum scorp?

answer for if n64 flips town or scum

[Guyett]

TSO is very very likely town.... on the same level as Sthar imo

Taylor and Pecan are conf town
Sthar and TSO are the next... I'd have them as pseudo conf town.

You and Helium are the one's I'll be looking at if n64 and/or shos flip town

n64 and Shos are most likely scum imo

[Guyett]

regardless of the flip shos goes next imo.
after that its between you and helium

[Guyett]

I will eat shit if Guyett is town.

This is why TSO is town imo

This is townTSO extremely confident in his scum read of someone. I haven't seen scumTSO do this

[Guyett]

VOTE: shos

[Guyett]

who do you think is scum?

[Guyett]

I think its shos and one of Helium/scorp

[Guyett]

gut

I also think I made a case ages ago too

[Guyett]

Helium is next

[Guyett]

scorp

[Guyett]

except the shos situation

End of the day I'm confident you ans sthar are town and Pecan is town (who will likely die tonight)
We have 2 scum in a group of 3

7 alive, we lynch shos today and pecan dies tonight.
if shos flips scum we have 1 acum left in a lynch pool of 2 and 5 people left alive
if he flips town we will be in lylo but we'll have 2 scum in a lynchpool of 2...

sound good?

[Guyett]

How about this for a scenario...
Shos + another are scum with obscurity. Obscurity is lurking hard and is looking pretty scummy. he is a liability to the scum team.
Shos for town cred pushes for the slots policy lynch and replace... policy lynch first so as to get town cred following a scum flip, replace later after he realizes getting a better player in as a scum partner is optimal play. His reaction at being replaced out looks to me like he is especially pissed with a buddy pushing for his replacement imo

[Guyett]

I was thinking about it over night. Right now I think helium has a better chance of being scum

[Guyett]

but I'm still trying to get my head around 2798

[Guyett]

Could everyone respond with their choice for scum pair

[Guyett]

@Mollie

Could everyone respond with their choice for scum pair

[Guyett]

I'm in work, I can only post now and again

who's the scum pair?

[Guyett]

I'm here to talk... but from my point of view it looks like you are stalling giving out proper reads.
Pecan is conf town.
what about everyone else?

[Guyett]

Mollie get some thoughts down on each player. PoE it now.

thoughts on me?

[Guyett]

I'm not really in a mood to read a wall of text mollie... like I said I'm in work.
I'd like concise points instead of a massive fucking wall.

it is starting to look like you are in a rush to end the day before town has a chance to organise itself <-----

a process you are actively being unwilling to be a part of.

why?

this is a massive misrep

I have been very very clear with my thoughts.

pecan is conf town

sthar is v.likely town based on his reaction to the fake hammer

TSO is v.likely for the eating shit comment and his tunneling on me. He can't read me for shit early game.

that leaves you, shos and scorp. 2 scum are in there imo

[Guyett]

I'm here to talk... but from my point of view it looks like you are stalling giving out proper reads.
Pecan is conf town.
what about everyone else?

you are 1 of the players that I am still reevaluating and you are

NOT

being cooperative with me whatsoever and yet you seem to have this sense of entitlement that I should somehow jump...just cos you tell me to?

no
hell no

you are NOT in the clear and right now it looks like are trying to keep me from sorting people and working with star. you know who does that? scum that is who

Ok so from your point of view pecan and sthar are conf and effectively conf town right?
PoE from there yeah.
I don't care if you don't like me for pushing you but since pecan isn't really active I'm pushing people to get reads out and do something.

[Guyett]

TSO is v.likely for the eating shit comment

and his tunneling on me.

He can't read me for shit early game.

So you just think he's too shitty of an actor to be scum?
The comment doesn't make him town to me.

site ate my response ;_;


I can't really see scumTSO make a comment like that. He looked like he was in full townTSO mode and townTSO has generally much more conviction in his reads than scumTSO

2nd part won't make him town to you all right but TSO is like Natishira to me in that I can usually get an idea on his alignment based on his interactions with me.

@TSO it might help if you could produce that TSO Tunnel meta here.

[Guyett]

who's the scum pair in your opinion scorp?

[Guyett]

ok so Shos and TSO then
Same as Helium

I still think it is shos and tso which I have been saying for like 3 game days.

[Guyett]

if not TSO then who?

Shos thinks its scorp and helium

[Guyett]

if not TSO then who?

My thoughts exactly.
However, if shos flips town, then we have to consider if the scumteam is you and sthar8 and the whole fakehammer thing was a ploy to get you both townreads.

I understand that, I think the only scum team involving me that would make sense is with sthar and to do that fake hammer would indicate mafia daytalk in order to plan it, execute it and make it look like he genuinely thought he was hammered so he didn't post for nearly 2 RL days after... this is an open setup and so daytalk isn't likely unless the mod included it as a personal preference

[Guyett]

lol forgot that the role pm's were visible lol.

[Guyett]

what questions? I just saw mountains of text and I ignored

[Guyett]

give me concise questions and I will answer them.
I promise

[Guyett]

fucks sake mollie I told you not too bus me too hard in the QT ;_;

[Guyett]

ok so Shos and TSO then

Same as Helium

I still think it is shos and tso which I have been saying for like 3 game days.

hey guyett this is an actual misrep!!! if you read my posts you would know this!!!

so I will wait until you have the time to read my posts and answer my questions cos the context is pretty important!

wut...
Scorp said tso and shos were the scum pair... so did you?!? I even quoted the bit where you said it!!!
How is this a misrep?

I'll read your novels now

[Guyett]

That last sentence.... hurts a lot.
I think I might replace out.
I was in work earlier and couldn't read them. I'm only just home now but I actually couldn't give a fuck

[Guyett]

you've blacklisted me, make it easy

@mod replace me pls

GL town

[Guyett]

yes

[Guyett]

etl plz don't sign up or sub into any games that I am in. <---- dead serious about this. your town game sucks you are like mara #2 and you have a lot to learn before you get any better and I am sorry but I just don't have the patience for it.

She has form for this messing
/enough of this shit

[Guyett]

Whoever replaces guyett is going to have the worst time trying to catch up.

good point.

@mod don't replace me

VOTE: Guyett
much easier

this should then clear TSO and Sthar for tomorrow

[Guyett]

this is the part of the game where I am at my weakest, when I get really wifomy and start getting obscenely paranoid, it why I like to hydra with people who are good with endgame analysis cos I know that I am sure as hell not good at it.

ETL suggested both of us should hydra

Guess the name she suggested

[Guyett]

Whoever replaces guyett is going to have the worst time trying to catch up.

good point.

@mod don't replace me

VOTE: Guyett
much easier

this should then clear TSO and Sthar for tomorrow

How you figure?

because I say so.

[Guyett]

I reread the posts coming up to the jiffy lynch when I was talking with antihero... tbh it makes me think your slot is town now mollie

[Guyett]

that being said the play from mollie today is terrible... its like she's turning her back on her possible town read to facilitate a lynch on me if there's enough traction

[Guyett]

because I say so.

Like legit I actually want to know your thought process here because otherwise it actually doesn't clear anyone.

fine it pseudo clears them

can sthar be scum if I'm town? that reaction was pretty townie.
TSO is a meta read

Look I'm confident in my reads, if you don't like them don't believe them thats fine with me

[Guyett]

How on earth are you supposed to get lynched today
no one thinks you are scum (well I only will think you are scum if shos flips town).

Mollie's posts suggests she might go for me... Shos is her main target for today it seems

[Guyett]

actually fuck it Helium/mollie goes today. her D5 play sucks

VOTE: mollie/helium

[Guyett]

I did it before I looked for the quote where you blacklisted ETL

[Guyett]

rawr rawr rawr keep digging scumMollie

[Guyett]

I did it before I looked for the quote where you blacklisted ETL

I didn't blacklist etl, I just can't play with her until she gets a grip on her town game. our solution until this happens is to hydra

that is another misrep guyett keep them coming!

I forgot to inverticomma the blacklist...

[Guyett]

yes but you said

EVEN

if he flips scum. To me this looks like you're leaning more towards him flipping town

oh god you are so fucking town right now it hurts

where was this "aha! I got you scum!" shit earlier

@mollie it was so I could find this..

[Guyett]

Town
{

Guyett

,

shos

, TSO}

Scum
{

Taylor

,

Grim, Pecan

,

Helium

}

Null
{XScorpion, N64Lord, Blueberry, Paschendale, sthar8}

This is what I'm working with so far.

this needs to be looked at again

@mollie I found it when I was iso'ing the helium slot ok


so the italics are weaker
weak town is shos
weak scum is helium

[Guyett]

tbh mollie I'm not 100% sure you're scum but if you aren't shos and scorp are.
We have this in the bag imo

[Guyett]

Whats the plan after shos again Scorp?

[Guyett]

Don't know why that quoted :/
could it be removed

Done. No clue why it was there either. For all those wondering it was the VC with the chicken chase. No words were removed. It was quoted, with nothing.

[Guyett]

Because I've genuinely gone fucking crazy

[Guyett]

scumMollie drove me CRAZY!!!!

[Guyett]

Don't call me retarded tnx

[Guyett]

I did read them but didn't see any questions I had to answer

[Guyett]

I have asked you why you have been ignoring me. why have you ignored my reachouts? why did you not help with pushing shos yesterday especially since you voted him straight out the gate? why did you mindlessly follow etl?

I haven't been ignoring you.
I haven't ignored your reach outs.
I would have helped with a shos lynch but I was helping taylor... I have since learned to ignore ETL's reads as when she's town they suck... when she's scum I don't want to follow her reads. or wait that was for pasch... I can't remember if n64 was being pushed by her or not :/
I have addressed the following ETL thing earlier

I will go for a shos lynch.. I actually couldn't give a fuck which of you, shos or scorp goes today as I'm fairly sure there's 2 scum within the 3 of you. we lynch another from that group of 3 tomorrow and at that stage we should have at least 1 scum if not 2.
I may be wrong about TSO and Sthar but I don't think I am.

[Guyett]

Where are Pecan, TSO and Sthar?

[Guyett]

why have you been asking every1 for who they think the 2 remaining scum are?

what has bugged me is that it looks like consensus building on the surface but it is like there was a bit of controlling the narrative while ignoring what was going on in the game. <---- there are things you should be picking up and I am wondering how you are missing them but seemingly you aren't except I dunno I am up for the next lynch tomorrow no matter what shos flips and I am not entirely sure what to make of our whole exchange. I just know I feel exhausted from it.

I use pressure to try to get people to drop their defenses and reveal what they do not want to. I do not always know how to interpret the info I receive it helps when I have repertoire with a player and I try to establish that. you have been maneuvering ways around this all game and that is what has had me worried cos I just don't understand why.

its rather simple isn't... get reads down so we can compare them to old reads. Also if we lynch scum we can see who they said were scum and decide if they were bussing or not.
Yes I am trying to control the narrative in a way (I don't normally but I occasionally do late on in games [remember the dc vs marvel game] ). I'm doing it as pecan isn't around to do it and before today I was somewhat a universal town read.

as for maneuvering around stuff prior to my fake hammer I was extremely apathetic with this game in case you hadn't noticed. I just didn't give a fuck. after the fake hammer I've found this game much more enjoyable and willing to listen to others.

why are you so worried with being set up as tomorrows lynch? If I'm right, and I am quite happy that I am, the lynch pool is narrowed down to you, shos and scorp.

[Guyett]

Cool story bro

[Guyett]

How about this for a scenario...
Shos + another are scum with obscurity. Obscurity is lurking hard and is looking pretty scummy. he is a liability to the scum team.
Shos for town cred pushes for the slots policy lynch and replace... policy lynch first so as to get town cred following a scum flip, replace later after he realizes getting a better player in as a scum partner is optimal play. His reaction at being replaced out looks to me like he is especially pissed with a buddy pushing for his replacement imo

[Guyett]

[ Vote] shos [/vote]
La la la

[Guyett]

VOTE: shos

Derped the tags

[Guyett]

Its guyett btw
who's your scum buddy?

Whats your self town case?

[Guyett]

I was going to do some last night but I got distracted. Sure go for it pecan

[Guyett]

The fact that you aremore active doesnt make you remember the game by heart. Please go read the things i referenced. It should be really short.

I think i can actually put together a shostown case, lol.

It would start with me bringing attention to obs d1. I kept the pressure on and when i realized the lurking was intrntional i initiated a force replacement with support of town.

This can be explained with my post. Scum you bussed a inactive buddy... this is good scum play in the scenario as you'd buy town cred (like you are now trying). Then once you realize a scum buddy replacement is better than a scum buddy lynch.

Then majiffy came and everyone was ok. Then comes the post that scorp found - 1069 i think, or something around - in which i once again direct town in obsscums direction.

You guys call me scum for 'interactions with majiffy' - thats shit. Majiffy voted me - ok. I then told him that i was the one who brought him in, when he could definitely be policy lynched. That is a goodreason for him to townread me, and he indeed removed his vote. Scum DO have to pretend to be town right? He

had

to unvote. Because i was right.

Jiffy was voting you.. then you said it was your fault to bring him to the game as a replacement so he town read you and removed the vote right? Or maybe Jiffy pushed you in thread and you didn't like him bussing you so you got him to look elsewhere...

Eventually that day i townread maj. His wagon was there, but still l-1 few hours before deadline. I could have just pretended to not be there and hope deadline goes with NL, but i did come and did hammer, repeating the fact that i think he is town. Why would scum bushammer like that??

why wouldn't scum bus like that? WIFOM and all that

I can add to that my d1 superstrong read of conftown taylor even before yje claim, and my superomgstrongtownread on the other conftown pecan.

Well scumShos would know Taylor and pecan were town... so of course you'd be able to town read them

My scum suspects the entire game have been either scum or are still alive.

You said you were town reading Jiffy... so that's a lie right?

Only pasch was sort ofa mistake. That mistake was probably because i hesitated to keep pushing mollie.

This self town case is bullshit and full of gaping holes

[Guyett]

go away, relax and come back when you calm the fuck down.

[Guyett]

if both you and shos flip town I'll forever call you queen mollie.


I am quite sure of my reads. I'm ok putting my wincon on the line for it. If I'm wrong my belief in my reads will take a massive hit.

[Guyett]

I can't read you that well mollie... remember when I shot you in DC-Marvel?

[Guyett]

I had groovey there to read you then

[Guyett]

and we did get weird on you but that was mostly in our QT

[Guyett]

GuyettPerson was signed in when posted
11-04-2013
05:18 AM ET (US)
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Town - The Grim Reaper, Majiffy, EspeciallyTheLies
Not sure - pirate mollie, Lying Cat, Belisarius
Scum - AngryPidgeon, Darthe

followed by grim

GrimgroovePerson was signed in when posted
11-05-2013
11:46 AM ET (US) Yup. In total agreement with that overview, though I think pirate_mollie is porbably towna fter all after having re-read Day 1.

[Guyett]

I didn't before coz I apathetic as fuck

[Guyett]

if I believe you're probably scum why would I reach out to you?

[Guyett]

2 in 3 chance you're scum imo

[Guyett]

I think you're failing to see things from my point of view. You might be town but it wont matter because it'll mean shos and scorp are prob scum. The maths is sound as long as my town reads are good

[Guyett]

Tso can you post that tunell meta

[Guyett]

Thats where I saw it. I imagine copying the and pasting the post would be ok

[Guyett]

I've already discussed them.

[Guyett]

How about this for a scenario...
Shos + another are scum with obscurity. Obscurity is lurking hard and is looking pretty scummy. he is a liability to the scum team.
Shos for town cred pushes for the slots policy lynch and replace... policy lynch first so as to get town cred following a scum flip, replace later after he realizes getting a better player in as a scum partner is optimal play. His reaction at being replaced out looks to me like he is especially pissed with a buddy pushing for his replacement imo

The fact that you aremore active doesnt make you remember the game by heart. Please go read the things i referenced. It should be really short.

I think i can actually put together a shostown case, lol.

It would start with me bringing attention to obs d1. I kept the pressure on and when i realized the lurking was intrntional i initiated a force replacement with support of town.

This can be explained with my post. Scum you bussed a inactive buddy... this is good scum play in the scenario as you'd buy town cred (like you are now trying). Then once you realize a scum buddy replacement is better than a scum buddy lynch.

Then majiffy came and everyone was ok. Then comes the post that scorp found - 1069 i think, or something around - in which i once again direct town in obsscums direction.

You guys call me scum for 'interactions with majiffy' - thats shit. Majiffy voted me - ok. I then told him that i was the one who brought him in, when he could definitely be policy lynched. That is a goodreason for him to townread me, and he indeed removed his vote. Scum DO have to pretend to be town right? He

had

to unvote. Because i was right.

Jiffy was voting you.. then you said it was your fault to bring him to the game as a replacement so he town read you and removed the vote right? Or maybe Jiffy pushed you in thread and you didn't like him bussing you so you got him to look elsewhere...

Eventually that day i townread maj. His wagon was there, but still l-1 few hours before deadline. I could have just pretended to not be there and hope deadline goes with NL, but i did come and did hammer, repeating the fact that i think he is town. Why would scum bushammer like that??

why wouldn't scum bus like that? WIFOM and all that

I can add to that my d1 superstrong read of conftown taylor even before yje claim, and my superomgstrongtownread on the other conftown pecan.

Well scumShos would know Taylor and pecan were town... so of course you'd be able to town read them

My scum suspects the entire game have been either scum or are still alive.

You said you were town reading Jiffy... so that's a lie right?

Only pasch was sort ofa mistake. That mistake was probably because i hesitated to keep pushing mollie.

This self town case is bullshit and full of gaping holes

Both scenarios are possible but you are blindly focusing on just the one

[Guyett]

I've been active since the fakehammer.

[Guyett]

Arsenal scored in the first half....

Bunch of saps ;_;

[Guyett]

I'm going to be V/La until Thursday the 9th of January as I've to go to a conference in Edinburgh. I'll try pop in from time to time.

[Guyett]

Guyetts iso doesnt sit that well with my decision.

What?

[Guyett]

Guyetts iso doesnt sit that well with my decision.

What?

[Guyett]

Ok I'm back, whats happening?

[Guyett]

aren't you dead?

[Guyett]

4 days left... where are people at?

[Guyett]

Tbf while pecan is conf town he wont be too much of a loss whrn he prob dies tonight

[Guyett]

I will only vote shos mollie or scorp.

[Guyett]

looking at that it looks like Jiffy was bussed by both scum buddies. I really really want to lynch shos now

[Guyett]

pecan please tell me you're still here

@guyett: I re-redirect you to post 1070.

I redirect you to a counter argument and we go in circles.

[Guyett]

regarding the jiffy lynch I suspect one scum was on the wagon early probably due to obscurity's uselessness and the other jumped on late when the lynch looked inevitable.

[Guyett]

I doubt both scum pushed through a deadline lynch on a scum buddy simultaneously. I can see one push through one that one scum buddy is already on.

[Guyett]

or hammer for town cred....

[Guyett]

I'm not assuming anything... I just am confident you'll flip scum

[Guyett]

nope, you're scum by PoE as well as play.

[Guyett]

Mollie is still in my scum pool with you and scorp.

[Guyett]

because I'd prefer to see you hung... but I will join her wagon if it builds

[Guyett]

Good

[Guyett]

just under 12 hours lads...

[Guyett]

was there a hammer?

[Guyett]

oh there was and all, missed it in my morning reading

[Guyett]

about what? The hammer?
I can't wait for the novel Mollie will be writing for me at end game. Other than that I don't care. I'll review my reads after the flip

[Guyett]

[Guyett]

Sorry I'm in a mood. we'll talk at end game.

[Guyett]

or maybe you'll just blacklist me :shrug:

[Guyett]

I just want this game over, I don't mean to be disrespectful so I apologise.
I can't replace out as it's incredibly unfair to ask someone to replace into a game at this stage. I've lost all interest in this game.

[Guyett]

On the plus side if you're town mollie it narrows the scum pool down to Shos and Scorp.

[Guyett]

Lylo

[Guyett]

Also Guyett you should probably vote me before shos if you want the game to end sooner because if shos is scum then we're forced to drag out another painful day.

this implies you think I'm town

[Guyett]

VOTE: shos

#yolo
#votefirstinlylo
#notasinglefuckbeinggiven

[Guyett]

why?

[Guyett]

UNVOTE:

harumph

[Guyett]

VOTE: shos

[Guyett]

if both you and shos flip town I'll forever call you queen mollie.


I am quite sure of my reads. I'm ok putting my wincon on the line for it. If I'm wrong my belief in my reads will take a massive hit.

:/

Sorry queen mollie

[Guyett]

Well done TSO and Sthar... well played.

[Guyett]

Do I win Scum MVP?

[Guyett]

Remind me to never alliw guyette into a lylo..

probably for the best :/
I had bad tunnel vision hoping that my fake hammer had worked

[Guyett]

etl plz don't sign up or sub into any games that I am in. <---- dead serious about this. your town game sucks you are like mara #2 and you have a lot to learn before you get any better and I am sorry but I just don't have the patience for it.

lets start here: if you see my name on a fucking sign-up list don't sign-up if you are not going to read my fucking posts.

Those two posts certainly read like a threat to blacklist ETL and myself.


FTR I did read your post and it hurt me. That is why I posted the douchey gif.

[Guyett]

you don't like me. I get that. you can in no way make it any more clearer. I srsly doubt what I said hurt you since I didn't say anything bad about you since at the time I didn't think ill of you at all, just frustrated at the situ in that I thought you were town and flat out stated you weren't going to read my posts. <----- do you see the negative impact that this has on others? if you are going to allow the fact that you don't like me impact your play then we really should not play together and this should be really obvious. how you feel about me should not ruin the game for other people.

On the contrary actually, I respect you quite highly and considered asking to hydra with you for a while. The problem was that I can't read you and couple that with the fact that I was in full tunnel mode being extremely confident in my reads and also that I was extremely apathetic towards this game meant that I had no interest really towards the end in changing reads. I got so absorbed with my fake hammer being right that I lost sight of other things. My self belief has taken a massive hammering here and it has been reflected in other games that recently finished.
I didn't like the attitude and shouting towards me if I'm being perfectly honest so I put a wall up and didn't really want to listen. TBF both of us are to blame here for this.

But don't you dare say I don't like you. There is only one person on this site that I do not like, that idiot is the only person that I have actually blacklisted and thankfully he is participating in a 3 month ban from games.. I respect you both as a person and a player but I feel you might need to take a step back for a short while.

[Guyett]

I srsly doubt what I said hurt you since I didn't say anything bad about you since at the time I didn't think ill of you at all

Believe me you did hurt me.

usually at this time scum hangs back cos they are so close to winning and they don't want to screw it up. that points to guyett and star. guyett never let me in ever and I reached out so many times. if he is town then I get the message loud and clear;

I am just not good enough for you. you shot me n1 in 1 game and refuse to interact with me in another and then lynch by poe when it isn't about poe it seems to be about who you think is valuable and i hear you that you think I am less than that of a player.

cos by poe I should be the most cleared player here. with my votes, my play and my associations. if you are scum okay well good job I guess. ironically it doesn't change the way I feel.

The bolded hurt a lot

[Guyett]

If you don't believe me fine your loss. I was being genuine. Whatever.