Open 541 - Too Many Heads Mafia (Game Over)

[Athenas Fury]

We /confirm that thine mafia members shall be smote.

[Athenas Fury]

Stall testing from work, first chance I've had to look at the thread. We are looking for an avatar right now. Desphydra is town, I loled at post style mimickry. So Squirrel Girl is not a hydra? Balderdash.

vote SG

Be on later, checking in with hydra buddy. And I assure you guys we are fine with our role no boots to be shaking in. Just look for our votes and you'll know what's up.

[Athenas Fury]

Squirrel Girl- good point about the avatar, fixed. Very quick to jump on any and all trains, why?

165 Trolls (BROseidon and Cabd)- I am just excited that I was thought of when the invites went out. I live for high-level mafia playing.

Ansuz (Nachomamma8 and Desperado)- I think us Gods should stick together, think of all the little heavenly babies we could have. Your read on Tammy is baseless and incorrect, you will see her town it up soon enough. I have insider info that she should be on tonight if possible, or tomorrow at the latest. Not thrilled about the call out on your own townieness. If you are aware of what makes you town then you could easily fake it as scum.

Paranoia Fueled Rampage (AngryPidgeon and EspeciallyTheLies and Guyett)- You guys are going to give me a complex if I don’t start getting some attention in hydras. You are willing to gladiate us on day 1, with my partner having yet post, interesting. I think you are town and I don’t want to fight your civil war. You seem very sure of who you want to lynch, can you explain?

Stuffed Crust (Mac and Varsoon)- very little to go on.

The Clubhouse (Cephrir+)- Liking you right now, not sure if its Cephrir or others, but tones is completely different from ASOFAI and that is really the only experience I have with Ceph. I would have called you scum in that game not matter who you had fooled, scouts honor.

Mhork and Mindy (penguin_alien and Lord Mhork)- adequate posting so far, nothing stands out for the most part though. If you weren’t expecting a

n all

mostly hydra game, what were you expecting?

Yggdra Union (Pieguyn - thenewearth - DrCirno)- comic sans is for scumfucks, glad it doesn’t show on my phone. How do you know what bazinga means? You guys talking about it in the scum qt?

Generically Purple (Ms Marangal and Generic)- yet to post?

bazinga (pirate mollie and Bert)- I really hope that you don’t plan on imitating anyone from BBT, cause I will seriously advocate a policy lynch for that alone. Mollie did you break? Claim someone as town, turn around and vote them. Going back and forth on Desp/Nacho. What gives?

Rancid Broderick Drake (Natirasha and zMuffinMan)- soft claim faith healer in most obvious way, overcompensating? Wifom? Why self vote here?

Si and Am (Malakittens and RachMarie)- One post so far, and it seemed like your post was to your partner, why not just talk to them in private?

Town- PFR, Club
Probably town- 165, ansuz
Null- Stuffed, Mhork, Purple, S&A
Probably scum- Squirrel, Yggdra, Rancid
Scum- Bazinga

[Athenas Fury]

VOTE: ansuz

New policy in effect: I no longer wait until day three for you anymore. Scared?

Also, this heads activity will probably be spotty this week. School started this morning and I never know how the first week will go, and I have a project due in a couple days.

[Athenas Fury]

Oh we have an avatar. I'm a horrible hydra partner. I promised I would do that yesterday and got busy and distracted :/

[Athenas Fury]

VOTE: ansuz

New policy in effect: I no longer wait until day three for you anymore. Scared?

Also, this heads activity will probably be spotty this week. School started this morning and I never know how the first week will go, and I have a project due in a couple days.

Have you talked to Fish about the game yet?

Nope! I left him a message yesterday that I was busy and he said he'd keep up.

[Athenas Fury]

Yggdra's last few posts didn't sit well.
-AP

Vote: Rampage

Is there a reason we are reading the game so significantly different?

why aren't you voting tammy

Because I'm town.

[Athenas Fury]

I should find a better avatar.

[Athenas Fury]

quote="In post 429, Athenas Fury"]VOTE: ansuz

New policy in effect: I no longer wait until day three for you anymore. Scared?

Also, this heads activity will probably be spotty this week. School started this morning and I never know how the first week will go, and I have a project due in a couple days.

What waiting?[/quote]

Arr you asking what I mean? It's me getting rid of my old policy with nacho.

[Athenas Fury]

Oh my wait until day three to be sure about nacho policy. It's old and outdated.

[Athenas Fury]

Doubtful.

[Athenas Fury]

I will do it later though when my brain is not a bowl of jello (without vodka )

[Athenas Fury]

I mean I have 115 posts by page 21 and am the center of every conversation. I'm deep in the trenches, kid: my slow start is back there with the god complex.

That doesn't make you town.

She's right!

[Athenas Fury]

Pretty sure I know who squirrel girl is and it's not Sakura.

[Athenas Fury]

Vote: Athena's Rage

Desp, do you mind moving here for a little while?

You better be trolling me.

[Athenas Fury]

Vote: Athena's Rage

Desp, do you mind moving here for a little while?

You better be trolling me.

You're here, you're posting, yet you're doing nothing. Why?

Don't feel like it. I'm doing 10 things at once right now. Haven't read the game yet.

Why are you acting like that's something odd?

Pedit: it's not tierce.

[Athenas Fury]

Town- PFR, Club
Probably town- 165, ansuz
Null- Stuffed, Mhork, Purple, S&A
Probably scum- Squirrel, Yggdra, Rancid
Scum- Bazinga

You're reading enough to do this, and respond when called out, so that's not really a valid excuse.

ETL

That wasn't me.

[Athenas Fury]

Tammy I don't see any town-role-PM celebration that would be all over the place in a scary playerlist like this. Why, given you've told me time and time again you can't do it as scum but it's always there as town?

Nope. I've said I don't always do it as town, but it's never there as scum.

[Athenas Fury]

Are you guys fucking kidding me? What part of I'm doing ten things at once do you not understand.

Nacho is confirmed fucking scum for organizing my mislynch when I made it clear I didn't have the mental energy or time for this right now. There is absolutley no way he would do this as town. None.

And fuck you all for just listening to him instead of waiting for me to read the thread.

I'll try to read through some of this quickly to give you some reads at least.

Pedit: I'm at fucking work.

Pedit: do you realize this is my first non lylo mislynch? I hate you all.

[Athenas Fury]

Are you guys fucking kidding me? What part of I'm doing ten things at once do you not understand.

Nacho is confirmed fucking scum for organizing my mislynch when I made it clear I didn't have the mental energy or time for this right now. There is absolutley no way he would do this as town. None.

And fuck you all for just listening to him instead of waiting for me to read the thread.

I'll try to read through some of this quickly to give you some reads at least.

Pedit: I'm at fucking work.

Pedit: do you realize this is my first non lylo mislynch? I hate you all.

You do realize that you had a more convincing response to me when I RVS voted you last game.

I don't care what you think. You're confirmed scum. You would never organize a quicklynch on me if you were town.

I said hey I'm really busy right now due to work, my brain is a bowl of jello, I'm doing ten things at once right now, and you took that opportunity to quicklynch me.

I didn't respond to some things today because I'm at work, and getting worked up while I'm at work makes me look like shit, I thought no big deal because I can town it up when I get home and read the game, but no.

So, you want me to rage, sorry you can't have it.

[Athenas Fury]

30 pages

and I'm not even going to pretend I've read the last 25. SUMMARY PLEASE.

Nacho mislynched me. Enjoy your night.

[Athenas Fury]

And I'm having trouble believing that you even thought you were mislynched.

I'd say the state of my qt right now says otherwise.

Keep peddling nacho. You know that's not something I would even try and fake.

[Athenas Fury]

Ok, off the top of your head, whne have you played with Tammy town?

Hard Boiled.

There was also a game I read when I first started where Tammy was conftowned in 3p LyLo because "lol she's putting in effort." I don't remember that game :/

Interesting that you're comparing my reactions to suspicion in endgame in other games and conveniently ignoring the game we just played together. You remember we the purple don't you? You know the game where when Bert was calling me suspicious I admitted to not being obvtown yet. I admitted to not being connected to the game yet and was working on turning that around but hadn't been able to. It's pretty convenient that that doesn't fit with you're Tammy meta propaganda.

[Athenas Fury]

30 pages

and I'm not even going to pretend I've read the last 25. SUMMARY PLEASE.

We lynched scum.

Also Tammy's reaction is incredibly not town-her. It's about as full of emotion as when she was LITERALLY CONFSCUM IN ANYTHING GOES.

Okay, it was slightly more full of emotion than that, but still weak.

I'd say me nearly crying at work over getting mislynched in a mafia game is a little too much emotion but hey what do I know?

[Athenas Fury]

I'd say me nearly crying at work over getting mislynched in a mafia game is a little too much emotion but hey what do I know?

You seriously expect me to believe that this just happened? Without verifying you were actually lynched (you werent?)

Ya, I think Athena is scum.

Almost crying? I could almost buy the delicious AtE if you were actually vested in the game and not showing up at the time of your lynch.

Then you don't know anything about me. I tend to panic and get flustered when I'm actually suspected as town and think I'm getting lynched. I thought the votes were there.

I also pride myself on only being mislynched once in over two years. It doesn't matter if I'm invested yet, that was still a shock.

Pedit: no, see, that makes it clear you know nothing about me. I don't really care about being lynched as scum. I care a whole lot less about my scum games and pretty much ask to be bussed first thing every time I draw scum. My goal when I'm scum is to make my partners not look like my partners because I always expect to get lynched.

[Athenas Fury]

didn't anybody notice that tammy said nacho was defo scum he would never push her mislynch as town and in the next post I think when she put him down as probably town?

did anybody else see that

tammy is scum guyz.

Uh no nacho is confirmed scum.

[Athenas Fury]

didn't anybody notice that tammy said nacho was defo scum he would never push her mislynch as town and in the next post I think when she put him down as probably town?

did anybody else see that

tammy is scum guyz.

Uh no nacho is confirmed scum.

then why the fuck in your reads list did you put him as probably town? and you had me down as your only scumread

That was former fish. I'm not even fully caught up with the thread yet.

[Athenas Fury]

You are showing a distinct lack of pride in the game right now which makes me pretty confident you are scum.

Geezuz fucking Christ. Will people read my posts please? I made it really really clear when I came into the game today that activity for me would be shit for a couple days. A new semester started this morning and I have a project due in two days. This isn't a this game thing. This is a site wide thing.

In fact the beginnings of a lot of games for me lately have been shit for me, that's why it's so fucked up that nacho pulled this on me. He's hydrad with me twice now where my engagement early game was shit because I was busy. He just played with me in tales of where I was crap in the early game and didn't read the beginning of the game for several days because it started at a bad time.

[Athenas Fury]

Yeah it was Peng that was trying to make me change it. The only time in AGM that I had a scumread on Tammy was due to her not being obv town or something. I have to go search through Peng/Mine's QT to go get the exact reason. It was mostly a gut feel though.

~Si.

Even after the part where she was literally confscum?

Like, literally?

Go away. I was a sucker for the AtE. It just looked like town-Tammy because it kinda mirrored what she did when Jiffy went after her in HB III. :\

Tbf I did know molla was lying, had drank some wine, and was actually quite annoyed.

[Athenas Fury]

I mean if anything I would've expected nacho to wait for Tammy to post before going after her, especially after Tales of Abyss where he pinpointed her alignment off her first post based on a big metadive.

He got it wrong. He thought I was scum because my first post wasn't entertaining enough. I was town.

[Athenas Fury]

I mean if anything I would've expected nacho to wait for Tammy to post before going after her, especially after Tales of Abyss where he pinpointed her alignment off her first post based on a big metadive.

He got it wrong. He thought I was scum because my first post wasn't entertaining enough. I was town.

Oh yeah. Good point, but it didn't take him long after his push on you. I think this further reinforces my point that you and nacho are not on the same scum team at least.

He was town in that game though, so of course he tried to actually read me. Contrast that to here where even though I made it clear I wasn't completely present in the thread he takes that opportunity to try to speed lunch me.

[Athenas Fury]

@ tammy

why did you say earlier that you wanted to post when you weren't super tired and vodka laden when you said later after your *cough* meltdown that you were at work?

That's not what I meant. I said my brain was like a bowl of jello (without vodka) the without vodka part was a lame joke about Jell-O shots, maybe if it had vodka it would be functioning better! I was referring to me running on very little sleep, being pulled in fifty directions, and my brain shutting down on me.

(I realize people think I drink a lot but I never drink during the week on school nights. I teach first thing in the morning.)

Oh hey it's my scum day. This won't happen again tonight, I'm crashing.

[Athenas Fury]

Jesus Horatio Christ. Catching up on the 30 pages that happened since last night. Anything I should know before delving into this?

[Athenas Fury]

24 hour party people make some noise!

I've turned in my project because I'm a Rock Star (let's hope I did it right!) and made some tea and am commencing reading this thread now.

I have barely slept since Sunday so I cannot be held accountable for nonsense babbling that may happen this evening*

*I'm also just as likely to fall asleep in the middle of reading. If that happens, I'll pick this up and finish tomorrow after work. I'll have much more time then.

Also, Snow!

[Athenas Fury]

oh i forgot, bazinga is most likely town for scum hunting during the confirmation stage.

[Athenas Fury]

I'll assume you meant "scumreads" >.<

No I think Squirrel/Tammy are scummy.

At least people don't think I am Tammy now.

That's a bad thing

(No, I'm not going to spam on everything from the past 50 pages, promise!)

[Athenas Fury]

I forgot who else was in her hydra so I just cslled it Tammy. I don't know fish.

Post still from scum. Id gladiate him for that post.

mafia srz bznz we are mafia bootcamp no joking allowed!

How dare you post with gimmick started in the sign-up thread based on your hydra name.

For shame.

*how I interpret this post*

I promise I won't keep spamming. I promise.

I'll probably break this promise.

[Athenas Fury]

MY MOTHERFUCKING AVATAR IS OFF THE CHAIN

it looks like a poor imitation of thorella tbh

I'm not afraid to throw the game by tunneling the hell out of you for no apparent reason.
I think scum Tammy is shaking in her scum boots right now and Formerfish is like "fuck, I didn't sign up for defending chucklefuck partners".

I'm wearing town pumps. Ready to have a go at me now that I'm here?

[Athenas Fury]

Uh mollie he's voting his scumread that he's more sure on, can we please not do the "holy crap you're scum aren't you" thing to AP when he's currently town as fuck?

This town read is damn naive as hell.

[Athenas Fury]

The clubhouse might be town for feeling like hard boiled and not like asoiaf.

[Athenas Fury]

VOTE: ansuz

Oh yeah and I am pushing Tammy, which is yet another town tell for me after hard boiled.

Speaking of which:
TAMMY TAMMY TAMMY TAMMY TAMMY

I wish I could believe this Nacho, but then you went and tried to speedlynch me when I wasn't here and I'm still picking up the pieces of my heart.

[Athenas Fury]

Oh and fuck you I can make a town case on me being town if I want to.
If benmage would do it, why can't I?

*twitch* *twitch* *twitch*

[Athenas Fury]

Hm, Bazinga might actually be scum. Mollie is tryharding and some of her posts are quite meh.

I give some people lenience because they don't know better.
You? You know better.

Vote: Paranoia Fueled Rampage

So, it's a bad thing that I agree with her, then?

are you agreeing with ansuz or pfr here?

My one experience with scum!mollie was not try harding, at all.

What I'm trying to figure out right now is if Nacho's trying to get on her good side with this post or not.

[Athenas Fury]

UNVOTE:

Nacho.

I'm seeing some town pings in your early game. Please come back here and talk to me. Right now I worry that I'm wrong the way I was in Tales of the Abyss.

[Athenas Fury]

I'm sorry, but I can't believe that people actually read squirrel girl's posts and have guessed them as the people they have.

*this is a useless post that is just amusing to me*

[Athenas Fury]

I'd talk pirate but gods are above such nonsense.

*we're too busy quibbling amongst ourselves.

[Athenas Fury]

Also Rancid is like mega town so Bert's comment about him having day chat can get rope.

*twitch*

[Athenas Fury]

omg mollie's Post 358 is something I can empathize with so much but in inverse, if that makes sense. I'm no good at day one; I find day one's a lot of noise and more games than not I feel like shit about my reads because I feel like I put the puzzle together better when there are pieces flipped. This means that some games I take a back seat role and look at how the arguments play out to see what makes sense, but in some games I feel like it makes sense right away. And my game is really largely dependent on my mood first.

I was telling empire not too long ago that I wanted to change my meta because I felt like what people expected from me was actually causing a distraction in games because people aren't actually reading me based on what I say in games but in really superficial things that are partially alignment aligned but are also mood aligned. So for instance, no I don't always joke around and be exciting at the start of the game. If I do, I'm almost definitely town, but if I don't, I might just not be in the mood. I'm getting a bit tired of people pushing me for reactions instead of looking at what I'm saying, which I think is way more relevant than anything ever. I mean I get that it might be amusing for people to just try to make me mad, but I don't think that makes an enjoyable or productive game, so I've pledged to do my best to not react to unwarranted suspicion until people start reading what I'm actually saying, especially when they aren't people who have bothered to understand me enough to see where I'm coming from.

I realize this might get me a few mislynches in the near future, but I'm considering it an experiment and hope it will help.

/complete weird tangent

[Athenas Fury]

Tammy is

Spoiler:

easily manipulated

However,

Spoiler:

she is turning over a NEW LEAF!

I'm definitely trying Bert!

[Athenas Fury]

And to clarify, I don't even need you to read me as town. I need you to work with me.

Formerfish called our slot town for absolutely no reason. Is he usually confident in making a read on me? No. Is he going to read Desp as town based on #62 and #63? No. Then, in his reads post, he found a legitimate reason to call me scum based on an insanely weak and obvious bullshit self-meta town case. Yet, he still ends up with us as a townread. Why? Because he is obligated to read our slot as town; he reads Desperado, Tammy reads me. He doesn't want to push us as a mislynch because there's no way in hell they will be able to get us lynched. That is not a genuine sort, that is him reading us becaus he knows we're town and not fucking with it.

This is a bullshit read and you know it's bullshit. You would know if you talked to your other head that the two of them are friends, so why wouldn't he think something that was amusing was potentially town. You're other head would also tell you if the two of you talked that he likes to push for reactions to get reads. We aren't obligated to read your slot as town, and here is where you're starting to lose me Nacho.

[Athenas Fury]

bazinga-mollie, I'm inclined to consider the Athena Fury read worth pursuing, if only based on the number of people buying into it. If absolutely nothing else, it would give us a heck of a lot of information to work with.

What I'm not sure about is why you're seeing scum-Nacho-Ansuz by association. I follow what you're saying about things dovetailing oh-so-neatly into a Nacho-busses-Tammy scenario, but my problem is that this doesn't feel like scum-Nacho so far. I'll concede that you have way more experience reading him, but he seemed way more involved here than he's been as scum. Not waiting to see where the other players are moving to push wagons from behind. You said you might even make a case--something more that associative tells with unflipped players would be appreciated.

--PA

^^^scum-posting btw

[Athenas Fury]

(Fun Fact: At first I thought it was Tammy's post)

…I'm hurt.

[Athenas Fury]

Who/what is the pirate crew, and what decided who was among them?

We would troll the high seas together.
I was going to let Muffin sort mollie himself so he didn't have to trust the meta crew on him, and he becomes my vote wench when mollie flips town.

*twitch*

[Athenas Fury]

UNVOTE: Squirrel
VOTE: Athena

Scum lynches, ahoy.

And suddenly you very quickly work your way back into my heart.

and you've completely gone back to breaking mine.

[Athenas Fury]

Athenas Fury - Fish's first wall post was null, and Nacho thought Tammy's entrance post was "null and lame." <----Not a good sign.

I'm self-absorbed and it's late, so I'm going to address this first. It's complete bullshit. Nacho tried to pull this on me in Tales of the Abyss. I made a "not exciting" first post and he pushed me on it. After I got mad, because my first post was actually a joke centered around my character and role, he admitted to knowing that not all the time when I'm town do I make exciting first posts. And Nacho, more than anyone else, knows that my posts are very heavily mood dependent.

What's even more problematic is that there wasn't even a big push on me from him, just some lame attempts at getting me in the thread by calling my name.

[Athenas Fury]

eh just got back to monday

VOTE: ansuz

you started off well you really did. you were even having me fooled after what you pulled on, but i can't buy it i just can't. And for trolls to back you up by misrepresenting my meta and you agreeing wholeheartedly is heartbreaking. i mean maybe, maybe cabd, because even thought he thinks he's mr. meta extraoridinaire he'd claim things about me but damn does he have lapses and misrepresent things like a motherfucker, but you backing that up? No. No. I just don't buy ever that when you saw that I was busy, that I said I wouldn't be around for a couple days and haven't read the thread, you pulled what you did on Monday, I just don't think you did that as town. It makes way more sense to me that you knew I wouldn't be around and thought it would be funny to lol speedlynch me when I couldn't do anything about it.

[Athenas Fury]

I wish you felt more like town Tammy but I'll give you time. And it's not like I have nearly as much experience with you as a lot of these bros.

~Quayle

I feel like Hard Boiled and Faraday's uptick should give a pretty good indication of town me day one. if you're expecting me to be the stronger day three player, it's not likely to happen today. But, right now, I feel like I'm in a position I haven't experienced since last summer's mafia.maiden where I was battling suspicion from early day one and continued until endgame.

[Athenas Fury]

Tammy I don't see any town-role-PM celebration that would be all over the place in a scary playerlist like this. Why, given you've told me time and time again you can't do it as scum but it's always there as town?

Nope. I've said I don't always do it as town, but it's never there as scum.

Cite me five towngames where you haven't mentioned or expressed happiness about getting a town role PM and I won't vote you.

You're "every breath you take" you find them. I could cite them because I know for a fact they exist considering that my opening posts are both mood and alignment dependent. This player list isn't "scary", and that isn't my problem with hating scum anyway. Hating scum isn't fearing drawing scum, but as with everyone it's always way too superficial.

But sure, Tammy's scum because she said she didn't have time to play for a couple of days, yep yep.

[Athenas Fury]

I feel like Hard Boiled and Faraday's uptick should give a pretty good indication of town me day one. if you're expecting me to be the stronger day three player, it's not likely to happen today

Poor thing, being burdened by the beast of burden (of proficiency). <3333

With the amount of scum lynches I tend to derail on day one, noone burdens me with proficiency early in the game

[Athenas Fury]

UNVOTE:

nacho kinda sounds like he actually thought i was scum.

[Athenas Fury]

VOTE: ansuz

but gods that speedlyncbing thing felt so fake.

[Athenas Fury]

Post 725 suggests a not tollhouse/sam team though calling out penguin on not posting yet is weird when i'm pretty sure she's pretty known for not being a high poster. regardless, i know cabd is pretty arrogant about his scum game, but that still seems like something he wouldn't just volunteer about a partner. though i'm not completely confident about this after seeing pippidem, but still that's my first thought.

weird call out on penguin though.

pedit: idk mollie, it's also just as likely someone thought to talk pirate and others decided to join in?

[Athenas Fury]

Alright, catching up like this has worked before for me, so I'll try it again here. I am still 25 pages behind but I would like to cordially invite Odin to eat a dick. Mostly Desp. for his town tell comment. Well I hope that you start seeing them because for the most I don't even know what they are. The only tell that I can actually think of is a scum one from asofai that we've already talked about. So while I am catching up on the thread still I am going to start posting in present day as well. I might throw some post quotes out there if they look really bad, like most of what PFR is putting out, and I might just start asking questions, like Club could you please explain a little more of your impression of me from your experience?

I feel bad leaving my partner alone for this long, she has filled our qt with how stressed out she feels with school. So if anyone wants to sign up for our dance card let me know, the line starts here.

[Athenas Fury]

@Club- it is hard to tell. We were trying to walk a very thin line that game, not being obvscum to avoid the rope and not being obvtown to avoid the nk we were susceptible to. Some of that rage was real but it was because you started in on us from the first thing we posted and you kinda nailed it. I do tend to get a little excitable and can unleash a mirad of vulgarities that are sewn together with a certain flair but I'm figuring out that when I do that as much as I have been people stop listening. I am trying to become better at building actual cases and showing my leg work, I just have a hard time getting started since I need a larger amount of data posted to draw from.

I do like the butcher nickname, feels like it fits.

[Athenas Fury]

Mollie - what do you think of nacho's push for a speedlynch on me yesterday? I keep going back and forth. I mean on the one hand I can look at in thread evidence - I wasn't hear, so all his meta he pulled up was right because I wasn't reacting. the only problem is that I wasn't reacting, I couldn't, and had made it clear I was busy. Part of me thinks he took advantage of that in his push. I'm just having a problem right now believing that scum nacho would do that to me. Unless he just wanted to prove that I was lynchable so he could laugh about it.

[Athenas Fury]

bazinga-mollie, I'm inclined to consider the Athena Fury read worth pursuing, if only based on the number of people buying into it. If absolutely nothing else, it would give us a heck of a lot of information to work with.

What I'm not sure about is why you're seeing scum-Nacho-Ansuz by association. I follow what you're saying about things dovetailing oh-so-neatly into a Nacho-busses-Tammy scenario, but my problem is that this doesn't feel like scum-Nacho so far. I'll concede that you have way more experience reading him, but he seemed way more involved here than he's been as scum. Not waiting to see where the other players are moving to push wagons from behind. You said you might even make a case--something more that associative tells with unflipped players would be appreciated.

--PA

^^^scum-posting btw

nope

I'm having a self-centered evening and I hate the inclination to us being worth pursuing because a lot of people are.

[Athenas Fury]

No, but I remember in the cross site game that if he does something silly like let and obvtown-Vi or me get lynched day one when he's scum, he's basically confirmed scum and that's a trade he'll make any day.

The only thing that does make sense is him trying to reaction test me early, I guess because he did it in Tales of Abyss, but it's weird that he would use the same tell that proved wrong that he even admitted wasn't reliable as part of it here. what's worse is him saying that he was going to see what I would do when I got engaged and when I made it clear it wasn't going to be right away and then wasn't responding, he pushed for a lynch. That's the most bothersome because it doesn't make sense at all.

[Athenas Fury]

I have to work in a few hours so I'll read until I crash but note for myself 789 last post I definitely remember.

So far I have basing and clubhouse as town reads I feel really good about. Oh the stuffed crust hydra amuses me and might be town.

Everyone else is swimming around in a circle. I'll finish catching up tomorrow after work.

[Athenas Fury]

I think the scumteam is Squirrel, Athena's, and Generically purple.

Im a little upset because I actually put effort into reading Clubhouse over the night and had them as town.

My hydra is more in favor of Athena today because we ALL agree on this read, but I made a bigass case on Generic in the hydra QT and I personally think they are the most likely scum.

VOTE: Athena

that's a horrible vote.

[Athenas Fury]

YAR!

First I wanna give a big hearty pirate yell to our friend mollie, who's exact contribution to this crew be gettin' our Helmsman killed and then commiting suicide! Fer shame.

Yer captain has every intention o' votin' fer the False Goddess todaaaay.

still town ~

[Athenas Fury]

BTW

Athena is OBV town, and if Mala was actually town, who thought I was scum she would refute my case and she wouldn't have deviated away from me, yesterday

She is not obv town. Your logic is wrong. Mollie was tunneling as hell and I have seen her ping scum-Nacho before and I let myself believe she had scum-Nacho. I switched because a) you weren't getting lynched. b) my vote was doing nothing. c) I was sheeping Mollie.

There was at least one scum on that wagon which means:

PfR or Anthea.

Possibly SQ, but not really seeing that as of now~

You are also scummy as hell. Like really, really scummy. You need rope.

~Si.

Yes, I am. Are you a color blind kitty?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Both formerfish and I are still like 500 posts behind in this game because of yucks who think it's fun to hammer people before claims can be given. *slow clap* for stupid my friends. I don't read in night and the majority of my night was spent telling formerfish why bazinga was town which was all for fucking naught because apparently people don't know how to not talk about ongoing games. Anyway, my two big town reads suicided themselves in the night phase, so that's awesome. I'm going to really try catching up with the rest of the game tonight but it might take me until tomorrow.

[Athenas Fury]

There was at least one scum on that wagon which means:

PfR or Anthea.

I would like for you to tell me how I would, as scum, go after Nacho the way I did.

[Athenas Fury]

PFR can you explain your thought process irt the hammer you laid out of NacDes yesterday? When I was catching up it seemed like you would be the last person to vote in that lynch, yet you hammered without allowing them to claim. In twilight you even say that you voted to spite Mollie, to prove a point. What point were you trying to prove, that you could vote for a person you thought was town?

And on a side note, can we please leave all the personal attack out of the game? I know that this player list plays a lot together, and we get to know each other on another level. The ad hom attacks, and flat out personal attacks have gone off the charts since I have started playing. This has become less a game where cases are built upon evidence and interactions and more about meta and personal shit. I know that most of you guys are high level players on this site, and one thing that high level players are able to do is keep people guessing about their activity. If each of us played to our meta each and every game then I doubt any of us would be considered high level players, because we would be read correctly each and every time. I'm off this soap box.

P-edit- I'm caught up.

[Athenas Fury]

BTW

Athena is OBV town, and if Mala was actually town, who thought I was scum she would refute my case and she wouldn't have deviated away from me, yesterday

She is not obv town. Your logic is wrong. Mollie was tunneling as hell and I have seen her ping scum-Nacho before and I let myself believe she had scum-Nacho. I switched because a) you weren't getting lynched. b) my vote was doing nothing. c) I was sheeping Mollie.

There was at least one scum on that wagon which means:

PfR or Anthea.

Possibly SQ, but not really seeing that as of now~

You are also scummy as hell. Like really, really scummy. You need rope.

~Si.

If you really think that there is scum on the wagon why do you not have Stuffed Crust, Squirrel Girl, or Paranoia Fueled Rampage under your microscope? What clears them of being potential scum?

[Athenas Fury]

I see now you do see a possibility with SG, but what about the other two?

[Athenas Fury]

There was at least one scum on that wagon which means:

PfR or Anthea.

I would like for you to tell me how I would, as scum, go after Nacho the way I did.

My impression was that Nacho went after Tammy first, which makes it less of an active choice on your part.

--PA[/quote]


Yeah, and if you think I would have done anything but crumble under a nacho attack on me as scum you're insane.

[Athenas Fury]

There was at least one scum on that wagon which means:

PfR or Anthea.

I would like for you to tell me how I would, as scum, go after Nacho the way I did.

Ye prayed on the squib'd inability to see beyon' her spyglass and changed the winds to'ard me first mate.

Ye know, as ye exactly did yesterday.

I have no idea what this says.

[Athenas Fury]

PFR can you explain your thought process irt the hammer you laid out of NacDes yesterday? When I was catching up it seemed like you would be the last person to vote in that lynch, yet you hammered without allowing them to claim. In twilight you even say that you voted to spite Mollie, to prove a point. What point were you trying to prove, that you could vote for a person you thought was town?

And on a side note, can we please leave all the personal attack out of the game? I know that this player list plays a lot together, and we get to know each other on another level. The ad hom attacks, and flat out personal attacks have gone off the charts since I have started playing. This has become less a game where cases are built upon evidence and interactions and more about meta and personal shit. I know that most of you guys are high level players on this site, and one thing that high level players are able to do is keep people guessing about their activity. If each of us played to our meta each and every game then I doubt any of us would be considered high level players, because we would be read correctly each and every time. I'm off this soap box.

P-edit- I'm caught up.

Yaar, wench, ye case bee drowned and ye town 'pression be weak. One can nae fake such a visceral reaction as they be.

You obviously don't know how to read former fish or tell the two of us apart mate.

[Athenas Fury]

I'm bummed trolls are gone, I want to yell at that for weird meta on me. I've only been in 3p lylo twice and I wasn't confirmed because lol putting in effort. I'd really really love to know what game he was peddling.

[Athenas Fury]

With the 2modkillings we'll prob be in mylo tomorrow if we mislynch again today. Mass claim today?
~G

You're joking right?

[Athenas Fury]

Neither me or me other half bought her reaction to being "hammered" yesterday (she was definitely not invested in the game enough to break down and cry in public about being lynched after putting almost zero energy into the game). Neither of us liked any of the reactions to the game that followed, either. Neither of us like the tone of her posts - she be very stiff, on edge, guarded. And I didn't like the way she was (or, rather, wasn't really) scum hunting yesterday - she latched onto the nacho thing (for terrible reasons, really - but hey, terrible reasoning seems to be the norm in this game... which reminds me, I want to thank mollie for getting herself modkilled and giving town a chance to win this game. You have my gratitude. It was, by far, the best thing you did in this game).

Yeah you don't know very much about me if you don't know that my mood heavily influences my game. Me not being invested has nothing to do with being frustrated and completely shocked about how that went down. Kim not guarded at all, either by the way.

I would like for you to tell me how I would, as scum, go after Nacho the way I did.

@SG, if you want an example of what I mean by "mechanical", this sort of thing looks like a prepared response for when someone mentions her involvement in the nacho lynch. Plus, really, in the case the she is scum against nacho-town, she'd pretty much be forced to change things up a bit. And this isn't even a big deal omg-cannot-see-that-possibly-coming-from-scum-Tammy! thing, it's something very basic she could change about her scum game.

So this looks mechanical and it's a silly request.

Well that's just stupid. People don't prepare responses and especially when they can't know they'll be accused of that. I don't have a good read on Siam, and I want to know their thought process.

Do I sound mechanical? I'm trying really hard to right now.

If you really think that there is scum on the wagon why do you not have Stuffed Crust, Squirrel Girl, or Paranoia Fueled Rampage under your microscope? What clears them of being potential scum?

@SG, another example of a mechanical and somewhat silly line of questioning. It doesn't take a ship architect to figure out the answer here (hint: it has to do with their reads) so this question just seems like a question for the sake of asking a question. Or perhaps as a way of deflecting attention. Either way, poor line of questioning.

That wasn't me, so if you're going to use pencil meta, you should probably get us right.

[Athenas Fury]

No I'm 100% genuine
~G

We are not mass claiming, not a chance.

[Athenas Fury]

Also I fell asleep mechanically last night while reading. I'm hoping to finish getting caught up today.

[Athenas Fury]

The pro's out way the cons here
~G

They absolutely do not.

[Athenas Fury]

explain to me why its a bad idea?

Are you fucking kidding me? Did you just start playing mafia yesterday? There's one role left. The other healer. When they claim, they die. No more healer. Like this isn't rocket science.

[Athenas Fury]

Yes but we have a conf town for today.
If we leave the mass claim until tomorrow scum will just counterclaim the FH and we're put in a awkward situation where the wrong decision loses the game for us. Its not rocket science.
~G

Or you leave the healer alone and he has the chance to heal?

Oh my gods are you fuckign kidding me? At 3:44 he said "I haven't been around for three days, you'll wait for me to catch up." You hammered at 4:17. You tell me how that is not being active. How long do you think it takes to catch up and respond to three days worth of posts? 10 minutes?

I mechanically and guardedly agree in a rigid manner.

[Athenas Fury]

[

Tammy might be scum, she usually is ready to jump to me being scum and I know that though I have not yet posted til now and its all been Si, still she knew I was part of the hydra. She did not do that here. And the passion and overly towniness that I am used to from her is not there.

~Am

This is the most cookoo reason to suspect me. You haven't posted but because I haven't called you scum in a game you haven't posted in yet I'm suspicious. You know what you should do? Find me one game where I called you scum before you posted. I'll wait. (You would also note if you were actually reading the game that I hadn't read the game much, and when I did start catching up with the game Nacho was the most important thing for me to figure out.)

Right now I can't tell if this is convoluted town theory or scum needing a reason to call someone because it was a popular thing.

[Athenas Fury]

Yeah, part of me disagrees with it also. Tammy hasn't been back to produce content at all. She's had days now, but all she did was whine about the wagon and us lynching her when she didn't have time to post.

This is actually bullshit, and since you've hydrad with me you know that I don't tend to do a lot of posting in the beginning of the week. And I didn't have *days*. It was two days since I said, I wouldn't be around and had a project that was due in two days, which was the day of this post. So yeah technically it was days, but you're making it sound like several days had gone by before I had gotten back. Oh and will you look at that, right after the project I had due was turned in, this game was my priority, so step off with the exaggeration to make me look bad.

[Athenas Fury]

Cabd is anything but naive. I don't see why that would be a solid reason to town-read him, He's slimy as fuck

I wasn't town reading Cabd at that point. I thought that the reasoning they gave for someone else being town was naive. (meaning I thought the person they were townreading was capable of doing whatever that was as scum.)

[Athenas Fury]

I am fewer than 10 pages away from being all caught up like a good goddess. I'll get back to this tomorrow; I have other things to do tonight.

[Athenas Fury]

Hey, Tammy?

what are your thoughts on

Mala/rach
Earth/pie/Cirno
and Macsoon?

I'm finally all caught up in the game, and want to talk to ff about the things he asked me about. Also, but more importantly I just had a ridiculously long day and my brain is fried. I'll get to this and give thoughts on people after work. I'm gonna pass out now.

I do, though, appreciate that at least someone got that me getting upset over being mislynched was due to pride.

[Athenas Fury]

Okay I'm going to attempt to get our thoughts down tonight. Fair warning I just finished a thirteen hour day and have had a long ass week with little sleep so coherency might be an issue.

[Athenas Fury]

I wish I was drunk!

[Athenas Fury]

Oh and before I start, I wanted to address the pfr "how dare you question my hammer" bs. I left it alone because I was hoping forerfish would address it himself as it's his thing mostly but life has him sucked even more dry than me.

Anyway, it is absolutely not obvious why pfr hammered and to claim that wondering about the motivation is stupid is stupid. Former fish' first statement to me was wondering if they hammered before nacho could do anything because they knew that if nacho started posting he might be able to get mollie off him and then pfr would be the next target. And he actually has a point and to not see that someone would find that suspicious and want to inquire about it is ridiculous. My response was that they could have just been proving a point or were irritated. But I also know that ap can fake town frustration and with that drown the game in noise spamalot posting it often looks town. But it's something he is capable of faking.

So yeah, the how dare you question me for a really suspicious hammer is effing stupid and disingenuous.

[Athenas Fury]

I wish I was drunk!

You wish.

Cuz its fucking awwesome

FUCKING AWESOMZE

MINA IS DOING SHOTS WITH ME IF I DIDNT AVADON HER

Mina's a sweetheart! Tell her I said hi!

Also, I'm drinking a glass of wine!

[Athenas Fury]

Hey, Tammy?

what are your thoughts on

Mala/rach
Earth/pie/Cirno
and Macsoon?

I'm just going to concede that I don't know how to read either head of mala/rach. I *do* always read rach as scum, but the last two times I've played with her has been with nacho as my other head and he's given me a couple of markers for how he reads rach. One has to do with the amount of scumhunting in her posts and is where I was thinking that the Tammy's suspicious because she hasn't called me scum yet could be cookoo scumhunting. The other has to do with how she treats scum buddies and with no flips, I can't tell. The only reason we caught mala in we the purple was because of nacho, but I will say I can see her worrying about you being scum after hard boiled. She was pretty convinced you guys were town in lylo before majiffy voted us and cephrir became confirmed town solely because of the amount of fake paranoia you were showing. I can see her going whoa wait she's doing it again. She sounded angrier? At being caught in we the purple. Idk her attempting to put a stop to the 1v1 looks a bit townish. She kinda got hung up on things and didn't let it go when scum in we the purple, but that's also hard to tell because I'm pretty sure I remember her saying she really did think I was scum at that point.

Answer the rest in a minute.

[Athenas Fury]

lalala

i'm gonna talk to myself

hahahaha

[Athenas Fury]

Hey, Tammy?

what are your thoughts on

Earth/pie/Cirno
and Macsoon?

who and who?

no but seriously who?

i forgot both of them were in the game.

THOUGH the derpy not doing anything but being a total rucksack the head of that hydra might be town due to the actual not doing anything at all but asking stupid questions. TNE tends to be really dumb as town but tried to put in an effort when scum. So him not doing anything might point to town. I have no idea how to read the pieguyn head though or gif. THOUGH gif was scum with me in red wine and replaced out really soon so he might have a fear of being scum which could explain the absence of the hydra?

Macsoon? who? the only thing I have with macron is sometimes they amuse me, so i dunno. I have a tendency to town read people who make me chuckle and to bad ends.

I think now I've called everyone town. So, let's hold hands and sing kumbaya! Lynching is for suckers!

[Athenas Fury]

VOTE: RANCID PIRATE DRAKE

where the eff are you??????

this lassie wants to dance. (I'd say waltz but you probs don't know that dance)

[Athenas Fury]

SG? She was (and is) lost as all fuck in this game, and she still hasn't come back

please please please don't discount SG as being lost in this game. She is good at scum and to discount that could be destructive.

[Athenas Fury]

this lassie wants to dance.

And such artful dancing ye be doing - but ye be dancing around what actually be important. What happened to getting you and formerfish's thoughts on the game out? What be your reads?

It was gonna be a beautiful dance. Then the reckoning called while I drank wine and chatted until now. So, sleep is no win died for me. Unless you catch me in this dream state.

Tango?

[Athenas Fury]

Work has been especially draining recently, in the middle of a 10 day stretch. I expected more activity with this many people involved. I will catch up later and post some thoughts. And I suppose I'll start signing my posts since most of you have no idea which of us are posting.

-Fish

[Athenas Fury]

this lassie wants to dance.

And such artful dancing ye be doing - but ye be dancing around what actually be important. What happened to getting you and formerfish's thoughts on the game out? What be your reads?

*polishing dancing shoes*

I'm pretty sure I put out my reads last night though. Let's go.

[Athenas Fury]

my cat is the most adorable thing that has ever walked this earth jsyk.

[Athenas Fury]

I'm pretty sure I put out my reads last night though. Let's go.

Um, no, you didn't.

Point me to these magical reads that seem to go invisible when I be looking for them.

read my posts? I mean I'm pretty sure I've made it clear where I'm leaning on people. If there's a particular person you're wondering about, ask me.

[Athenas Fury]

SG? She was (and is) lost as all fuck in this game, and she still hasn't come back

please please please don't discount SG as being lost in this game. She is good at scum and to discount that could be destructive.

So, you know who she is? and, if this is the case then my town-read on her (and the reason behind it) is completely sunk. Generic thinks that she could be scum using my town-read on her to do stuff.

I *think* I know who SG is. I'm not going to claim that I'm absolutely positive I know who she is. But I think she's way trickier than people are giving her credit for.

RE AP what he can fake, unless he is able to pretend to be his partners as well, it isn't going to be applicable here. Guyett is the one who hammered, and him and ETL are the ones who were showing Irritation over mollie and I don't recall a single pigey post that showed that in game town-frustration. I am unsure if Guyett is able to fake that kind of stuff, but I sure as hell don't think that ETL will do that kind of thing as scum. (This isn't very solid) but I think as scum, ETL is similar to me in that she a little less emotional, and alot more manipulative and often enjoys the game regardless of what's going on.

I thought it was ap at the end of day yesterday. (except for the blacklist requests, that didn't sound like ap) I'm not sure what guyett and etl can fake. I've only seen guyett as scum once and that's when he replaced me in red wine and didn't really do a whole lot. I might need to reassess that read then if it wasn't ap. Though fishy's points about the hammer might still stand. I'll need to talk to him.

RE Kitty, do you think there is any kind of scum-hunting going on in rach's post? and, with Mala, I don't think my game is a good game to pin a scum-meta on her. I had gotten the impression that she didn't like her role, but she was also scumhunting, I think, which is something scum-mala wouldn't really have to do.

well i kinda thought that the tammy hasn't called me scum yet so she might be scum (even though she hadn't even posted) felt like weird townish paranoia. I've never actually seen rach!scum so the markers I have from nacho are a little blind.

as for her trying to stop the 1v1, I can see where you are coming with that but I have seen scum use that before, and far weaker than Mala.

fair enough i guess. but the mara. stop. collaborate and listen. felt townish? unless she felt like she was about to lose the 1v1 which is the only reason I could see her putting a stop to it.

[Athenas Fury]

Why are you pretending like you've never played with me before?

[Athenas Fury]

i dont' do those. suck it.

again, i ask. why are you, both heads, acting like you've never played with me before?

serious question is serious question.

[Athenas Fury]

why don't you give all of your reads in order of strength?

I mean I get it becaue you think you have some pirate gimmick you think you have some control over the game, but I know I FUCKING KNOW that you're capable of being a troll and acting like you're in control of the game as scum. I FUCKING KNOW THAT.

so you can suck it. I don't think you're town. Muffin is not fooling me again.

I told you to ask me about a particular person, and WHY ARE YOU ACTING LIKE YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED WITH ME???????????????????

[Athenas Fury]

It really should not be this difficult for ye to just give reads.

Yer deflecting and distracting from things by going on about stuff I do as scum

And I literally have no idea what yer talking about with the whole acting like I've never played with ye before thing. I do not remember ye being this awkward about giving reads in other games. And in fact ye DID give a reads list (through Mhork) in the only completed game I've played with ye. So.

you don't know about me not being sure in games about reads? that is a complete and total lie.

and you know what, maybe I did give a reads list through Mhork in a game when I was dead and I was mediumed. It was my absolute last contribution to the game. It's not something I would have typically done because i don't do readslist before near endgame and you using when I was dead and asked to give my final thoughts against me right now is terrible.

and you know what I am going to point out things you do as scum, because you had nearly every single person fooled in that game and you're not going to fool me again. I've made my thoughts absolutely clear.

[Athenas Fury]

okay so wait you're using day one against me?

I was fucking wrong here day one with nacho and my top two town reads got modkilled over night.

This day has sucked as far as involvement has gone. So my literal only left strong town read is probably generically purple which that should be really super obvious from my interaction with them.

[Athenas Fury]

again, i ask you how come you're acting like you've never played with me before?

my strong town reads were fucking modkilled over night. I was wrong day one. When I'm blatantly wrong, it throws me off. I'm not a perfect mafia player and even if it's a day away from mylo, it's still day two with no scum flips. I work best with pieces of the puzzle put together. and people who need to post to help me shore up my reads are not posting.

[Athenas Fury]

dat omgus

[Athenas Fury]

yeah you're calling me scum because I'm not bowing down to your scum browbeating. I've watched you do this. You are scum.

[Athenas Fury]

because if you were town, you'd recognize why I'm town and you're trying to discount the obvious. Hence scum.

[Athenas Fury]

If you think I would have reacted to nacho the way that I did day one if I were scum, you're absolutely insane. This may not be my best game, but this is my town game. My confidence in my ability to read people has gotten rocked lately, and it's especially so when I'm really wrong one day. but I mean like giving fake reads is one of the easiest things in the world to do, and to claim that I haven't demonstrated any reads by the way I'm talking to people and who I'm voting for is pathetic. most people haven't posted today, yesterday was full of noise, it's pretty clear what I think if you're reading my posts, so you're problem is one of your own creation for your own benefit because for the first time in my mafia career I'm an easy mislynch.

[Athenas Fury]

yesterday was full of noise

Nae, it wasn't.

And I don't know why ye'd think this.

Have ye not gone back and looked at the wagon that developed on ye? Have ye not gone back and looked at who was saying what about the Nacho lynch and how that happened? Considering ye were apparently catching up on the thread for most of this day phase, I would have thought ye were paying close attention to these things.

There was _some_ noise, but full of noise? Nae.

Well then you and I have a very different idea of noise. And if you were actually reading my posts, you would see me talking about the way that nacho pushed my wagon when I had my moment of doubt on him being scum. He was pushing me because I wasn't reacting when he called me scum. I was at work. So he started pushing because I would of course throw a fit. Except I wasn't around. And from what I can tell a lot of people followed mollie onto the nacho lynch because she was certain of her case. And then there was the definitely not noise in the form of trolling and baiting mollie coming from pfr which just helped to fuel her certainty she was right before hammering him for whatever reasons he did. But yeah, how dare we question that suspicious act. Sure.

[Athenas Fury]

because if you were town, you'd recognize why I'm town and you're trying to discount the obvious. Hence scum.

If we be using this logic, you're scum for not recognising why Nacho was town?

I don't believe you believe this is a reasonable line of thought, and I don't believe this is meant to be anything other than manipulative.

You're right because I never expressed any moments of doubt or tried to see things from his point of view to get a better read on him. Nope you're right I totally didn't. Except I did. And I think that if Nacho would have given the chance to actually catch up and interact with me when we were both around, I would have gotten it right.

[Athenas Fury]

Tammy is pretty well known to have a transparent town game

Right. If it's so transparent, then why is she refusing to be transparent?

Because your scum trying to browbeat me. I'm transparent but I'm also stubborn as fuck and I refuse to bow down to scum like you. I have no problem interacting with people I think are town or are talking to me like a person. you're not, so i have no interest in discussing things with you.

And if Tammy is so transparent, why do you get players like ffery and Cabd reading her incorrectly in, say, this game? Do you think she's completely unable to fake elements of her town game? Or do you just think ffery and Cabd are shit at reading her?

You could ask either of them and they'll tell you they don't know how to read me. I was one of cabd's strongest town reads in Red Wedding until an investigation at end game got me. I was one of cabd's scum reads in Chef Mafia even after pushing through a scum lynch day one in a way that really obviously wasn't a bus. Cabd followed Chosen and said that he thought he found an indicator to read me with as scum. And ffery herself, in that game, said that my play was an enigma to her. Them getting me wrong when I was scum a couple times, doesn't meant I don't have a transparent town game, not in the least. And that comparison is bullocks.

here is what I wanted you to answer

I don't see anything there to answer.

If you mean the Tammy stuff, it's irrelevant. I don't believe she really thought she'd been hammered. All the stuff you're writing about her seems to be on the assumption that she knew she was hammered and she couldn't be faking that as scum.

You're just wrong. Me missing claims, fukcing up claims, misunderstanding the setup, and falling for fake hammers are so prevalent in my damn games that anyone who's played with me more than once can't with a good conscience claim that it's impossible I thought I was hammered. I'll let you in on a little secret. I also fell for the fake hammer later that night. I was laying down and trying to fall asleep and checked the thread. I didn't have the energy for it, but whined in our qt about it. The next few posts are me going wait it was another fake one I guess, no wait we're definitely hammered, oh no wait it was fake. The only only time I can remember not falling for a fake hammer was in Hard Boiled and that was because I was there, arguing with Nacho and keeping count as the votes were coming in.

[Athenas Fury]

Ugh I'm sorry I'm still trying to hit PA at the sake time to sync reads though.

But I really don't buy Athena scum for those reason, RPD. Her emotions make sense from a townie point of view.

Athena, can you please just give us something? Your vague reads? Anything to prove you're actually playing that game.

I have. I have you and generically purple as town, which is pretty pathetic of me because I'm basically calling town the people who like me, but I think I'm right.

I need to rethink pfr with the possibility that it wasn't ap posting at the end of day yesterday. I can see former fish's point about their hammer right as nacho was posting and said he would be active, but i'm not sure that he's right about that. I do think it's suspect that they got all up in arms about being asked about that though and feel like they're just going for the easy mislynch here.

rbd is being browbeating scum, and he's really really capable of that so no one should overlook that and think they're town because of it.

i have squirrel girl and siam as nullish town. I'd like to see more from siam and i'd feel better about them depending on a scum flip and how they interacted with them. And if I'm right about squirrel girl she's good at scum and hasn't done anything completely fakable but I get goodish vibes there.

everyone else i have no clue on. macsoon amused me yesterday but hasn't done anything today and making me laugh once might be a good enough reason to get a town read from me day one but it doesn't last all game. I need to be kept laughing.

[Athenas Fury]

Well then you and I have a very different idea of noise.

<snip>

Let the records show that the snipped part is what I consider noise.

I be not interested in ye waffling on about yesterday and yer whaleshit reasons for voting Nacho. I asked about whether ye'd gone back and looked at the wagon that developed on ye (because I have and a lot of the players on it either look town or have flipped town), I asked whether ye'd gone back and looked at how the Nacho wagon developed (because even if people were sheeping mollie, there were different opinions there and there's more to it than just the PFR thing).

well latida. So you're basically now getting after me for not scum hunting properly? Is that it? And if this is muffin you can fuck the fuck right off. You've already make it abundantly clear that you have absolutely no respect for how I play mafia and am a shit player, so it's so fucking laughable that you're now actually criticizing me for not scum hunting your way when you already know I don't scum hunt properly according to your logic.

Here's a little hint for you and probably yet another reason for you to think I'm shit at this game. I don't look at wagons. Almost never. The closest I came in recent memory to actually looking at a wagon was the cross town game when Vi got mislynched day one and I was arguing against the wagon and I thought that Nacho or Llamarble were scum who wasn't fighting against a wagon as hard as they should have. Other than that, nope, except when I'm alive in lylo. Oh and you want more reasons to know how fucking shit I am? I don't pay attention to votes, or vote counts. Sometimes I spend whole damn days without a single vote anywhere. Yep, I'm that bad at mafia.

So, just fucking lynch me or leave me alone. I'm so sick and tired of dealing with your sanctimonious you think you're better than everyone else and if someone isn't scumhutning your way you act like a shit. I'm done.

anyone who's played with me more than once can't with a good conscience claim that it's impossible I thought I was hammered

Sure, it's

possible

ye really thought ye were hammered. I am saying I don't think that's the case. And yer reaction looked extremely fake, like ye knew ye had not been hammered and ye were playing it up.

You're wrong.

I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that Tammy thought she was actually hammered like, have you ever been fake hammered before? because,

if you have you should know that "was that hammer fake?" a question a person asks themselves right away

Be there something missing from this sentence? I've never been fake-hammered before (I've only been lynched once in recent memory, and that was when there was a cop guilty on me), but yes, the first thing I'd do if someone "hammered" me is check whether I was actually hammered. But that's because I'm methodical like that.

Yippee well now that we've established I'm not fucking you. I'm not fucking you.

[Athenas Fury]

Oh and sometimes wagons on town are town driven, and if that's the basis of your argument, I'm just going to sit in the corner and laugh my fucking ass off.

[Athenas Fury]

I definitely don't like Mhorks last post, because I don't see why he thinks he has the right to say that, at all

What part?

[Athenas Fury]

So you're basically now getting after me for not scum hunting properly? Is that it? And if this is muffin you can fuck the fuck right off. You've already make it abundantly clear that you have absolutely no respect for how I play mafia and am a shit player, so it's so fucking laughable that you're now actually criticizing me for not scum hunting your way when you already know I don't scum hunt properly according to your logic.

(1) Nae, that not be what I'm saying. I'm saying ye called D1 noise, I'm telling ye there were important parts of D1 (like the wagons and how they formed) that were not noise, so yer excuse for ignoring stuff that happened D1 is invalid.

(2) Ye be breaching ongoing game rules. And I think yer doing this because yer scum here, but I can't talk about it. How clever ye be.

I don't look at wagons

How do ye assess who is and isn't scum if ye don't look at who votes for who and for what reasons?

Also this statement seems rather contradictory to yer stance on Nacho D1 (i.e. that he was scum for pushing yer wagon). Obviously ye do think it is important to assess who votes for who and for what reasons, but only when it is convenient for ye?

I'm not breaching ongoing games. You think I"m horrible at mafia and have no respect for me at all so why you're asking me why I don't do things your way is fucking shit. Your making shit up.

I don't look at fucking wagons and you trying to draw a dumb ass connection to wondering why I didn't know I was being voted for and someone was pushing me for a shit reason is fucking shit and you fucking know that.

But, again, I repeat just fucking lynch me please. No one is ever going to kill me and if I have tho read one more stupid post form your sanctimoniuos ass I'm going to throw myself out into the polar vortex in hopes of getting hypothermia.

So, please everyone in your next post vote the fuck out of me. I don't think I can make it any clearer that I don't want to read another fucking post form the higher than holier than though wanna be fucking pirate. PLEASE DO THIS.

[Athenas Fury]

BY THE WAY YOU HAVE TREATED ME IN GAMES I KNOW YOU THINK I'M HORRIBLE AT MAFIA. AND MAYBE PART OF THAT COMES FROM THE WAY YOU ARE CURRENTLY TREATING ME IN ANOTHER GAME TOO, BUT ME MENTIONING THAT I KNOW WHAT YOU THINK OF ME IS NOT ME TALKING ABOUT ONGOING GAMES.

YOU ARE TRYING TO GET ME MODKILLED.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT.

mod replace me

I have no desire whatsoever to play with this sanctimonious better than everyone else "pirate"

[Athenas Fury]

Ye be referencing something that I cannot defend, cannot talk about, cannot explain the context of (and why ye be blatantly lying about what I actually said), and cannot talk about how it relates to this game and why I think ye be bringing it up here.

Yes, that is a breach of ongoing game rules.

No, I did not bring up a statement in another game or references it. You are aware that people get impressions from the way people treat them and things people say to them correct? I mean you're not a total robot right?


You didn't have to bring up an ongoing game. You could have easily said, no tammy your interpretation of my view of you is wrong. OR hey yes tammy I think you're shit at this game but I would at least expect you to look at wagons.

but instead of doing that you accused me of discussing ongoing games. my point is that I don't believe that you are realistically expecting me to do certain things that you shouldn't be expecting from me based on what I think you think of me. So, it feels fake.

I look at day one largely as wash. people voted for nacho because mollie was pushing a case. pfr hammered before nacho had a chance to get in here and really rebut that case.

[Athenas Fury]

I probably would have missed it anyway. But cabd said we were dead and it was for we the purple which made sense because I was the one who was arguing with nacho and kept trying to steer him to cabd at endgame, gp said it was a hammer, and nacho made that post that was a mimic of a mod post (which in retrospect was really really town of him to do, and I don't think scum him would have done that to me). But mainly what made me believe it was nacho's mimic of the mod post. Maybe any other day I would have checked back, but any other day I would have been there and been reacting to the wagon as it was building. But it was the first day of the semester. I hadn't slept and had people coming in and out of my office nonstop that day. I was stealing moments here and there to check the game to keep up in some fashion. It looked real to me. Just like the one that night looked real to me.

[Athenas Fury]

I know that I haven't been as active as I should be, and I apologize to my hydramate and to the rest of the town. Work has been especially taxing lately, and when I am not there I am taking care of a 5 month old girl.

Tammy asked me to weigh in on SC since I have been the one trying to convince her of their scumminess in out qt. This is purely a gut meta read, but I do not see Varsoon playing the way he has (if he has even played at all) in this game. I would imagine that he would be one of the more outspoken people, making a spectacle of himself like our good friend RBD is doing. The fact that both of the heads of SC have been basically silent are pinging me so hard that I am making a choice to

Vote SC

without even clearing it with Tammy first.

I am going to try and keep up with this thread better, but I don't have a day off til Saturday, so please keep that in mind.

-Fishy

[Athenas Fury]

Now, in a lot o' ways, I have a much better bullshit-sensor than me skipper. The fact is, the lass I know never used life on shore as an excuse before. Or, she has, but she never explained her actions in such a way(such as the "I'm crying"). It be a display, a fabrication to fool ye all. The lass's tone cannot lie. Tammy under pressure has a fire to 'er, but here it be as cold as the sea.

That's a lie. You were in We the Purple where I kept referring to how busy I was in why I couldn't keep up that game as well. There was a portion of asoiaf where me being busy kept me from really posting. As far as I know you're following the cross-town games as well where I mentioned me being busy. I could show you a ton. And the fact is that the beginning of this game is the only time I referenced it. It was site-wide for me at the time. It's something that always happens at the beginning of a semester, but it was worse this time because of the things I had due at the time. But the important thing is, that you're missing and so did Siam, that the moment I had everything done and time, I made this game a priority, on exactly the day that I said I would. And I didn't just out that I nearly cried for no reason. Someone mentioned that I wasn't emotional enough, and I mentioned my reaction as evidence that they didn't know what they're talking about. It doesn't make me feel great that I get that emotionally involved in a mafia game, apparently it's rather pathetic since it's just supposed to be a game. But you're not the first scum to accuse me of not having natural emotions that made sense.

[Athenas Fury]

Whoa how the fuck did I miss that?

-Fishy

[Athenas Fury]

OMG one thing RBD and I agree on.

excuse me while I go collapse on the floor.

[Athenas Fury]

I'm the princess of Waffletown not the princess of perfection incase that was a reference to me. I'm sure Princess Perfection would hate being mixed up with Princess Waffles. Just a guess.

Also PFR, ETL started taking a break from mafiascum just a couple days ago due to mollie. That hasn't kept her from keeping up in the games she's already in. So while I sympathisize, it's not an excuse for your entire hydra disappearing from the game.

[Athenas Fury]

Also Generic obviously has no clue how to read me and I'll just laugh at his earlier accusation about me being scum due to AtE but the only thing I can do is laugh about that right now.

Also, if you're actually reading me, I gave my thoughts on everyone last night including telling Mara my thoughts on the people she asked me about a few days ago.

Also, Stuffed Crusts' vote on us is >_>

[Athenas Fury]

Excuse me while I have a smug moment and point out why the rancid pirates are probably the most self important hypocritical scummy ass players in this game.

I just took a look at the player list and lookie who I found? OH geese that might be yygadra union who is guess where on the hypocritical rancid players reads list? IN THEIR TOP TOWN LIST. I'd direct you to what they've done recently but I'm not going to insult anyone in this game by saying it's something ground breaking, but I'll give you a hint. They haven't been here. So, just like Stuffed Crust, who've claimed scum recently so thanks for that, and pfr they've been completely absent.

But, what does the rancid players want to peddle? Oh that's right I'm not scum hunting the way they do which is pathetic considering how little respect one head has for me. But BUt BUT what's the expectations for these other non-existent players? Okay I'll give them the vote on Stuffed Crust. But the others? Oh gosh they're town for NOT DOING ANYTHING.

Just so anyone, if you're not aware, this is selective scum hunting at its finest. One person is shit for being busy for a couple days, but posting when they had the chance to post and made this game a priority the moment I had a chance. BUT BUT other people? Not posting. Not doing anything. Getting upset that people are asking them questions. And you know what the rancid pirates do? They are in their strong town list. The other one? Doesn't do anything at all. Posts questions about a modkill. The heads are active on site. They don't post here. What do the rancid pirates do? Put them in their strong town list.

They are scum. And anyone who thinks their bed of lies holier than though pirate speaking brow beating anything is town is a fucking fool. And I'll tell you I told you so after game.

All three of the above can't be scum together, but there is scum in there. And rancid pirates are faking their reads to lead you all astray.

[Athenas Fury]

This head is lva til saturday. Sorry guys, I'm on day 8 of 10 straight and I do not have the time to put into this right now. Give me til saturday and you are all in big trouble

-Fishy

[Athenas Fury]

Been a busy couple of days. I'll try to get back to this tonight, but it might not be until tomorrow.

UNVOTE:

Mastin's entrance doesn't make me feel any better about that slot. Need to talk to fishy.

[Athenas Fury]

I'm on my iPad so I'm not going to mess with people's walls but

Mara - You're right I don't PR hunt when I'm scum unless I see an obvious crumb. For instance in Red Wedding, I noticed that mollie had left what looked like a vig crumb, so we ended up killing her for that. I don't necessarily kill who I'm afraid of. I kill confirmed town or who I can't hide behind and then threats. I have left people alive that I'm *afraid* of when they didn't seem to be a threat (and one time when that happened, they turned out to be my traitor so it was all good!). BUT I also tend to prioritize my team and always expect to be lynched before anyone else, so I usually argue for who will be a threat to others on my team and don't worry about me first or foremost. None of that really matters here though.

I expected mollie to be killed, but modkills, so. I didn't really think much of the Majiffy kill. Cabd's way of replacing out looked kinda townish; I know that someone brought up his replacing out for being compromised when scum so it wasn't certain, but usually when someone replaces out after being compromised it's looked at as a town tell. I don't like playing with Majiffy, but gods does he make a lot of noise and when he's wrong he's like hollatunnelyhella wrong, so that would have been a hard call for me; I didn't shed a tear upon seeing his death though.

Though as far as me, I've only been a night kill night one once on this site, and once or twice on night two. I've been healed a lot on the early nights, and then the healer usually suspects me for not dying which is always fun, but I tend to not get targeted for a kill until night three or four.

~~~

I'm don't know how to feel about rancid right now. I like the stepping back because he feels like his reads are bad because of thinking stuffed crust was scum when he's obviously not. I think everyone's checked in since the claim, so that's pretty much near confirmed now. But ftr I have been accused before of coming across as forced when town, usually it's at my other site though. My mood influences my games more than anything.

~~~

Still meh on Mastin and would really like for him to explain his town read on PFR. I would probably be more skeptical on that than I am right now except when we were partners in Anything Goes he went after AP hardcore so I know he's not afraid of AP as scum, so that can't be it. Need to see more from him though and am hoping he catches up soon. I don't know much about the pieguyn head as I only have one finished game with him, but I remember thinking that he sounded kinda fake. I don't think he posted much. TNE tends to post more and try to do more townie things when he's scum, or at least that's my experience. I think that Mara feels somewhat comfortable reading him though BUT in chef mafia I think I had to beg her to vote him on day one. But GiF is weird. He was definitely around on site and I know from following f-11 that he is more than capable of being aggressive and pushing things when scum, and I know from jebus' game that he's sometimes lurky as town, BUT he was also my scum partner in Red Wedding and he said he was going to lurk for the first couple of days, and he did lurk most of day one before just replacing out, so yeah Mastin needs to post.

~~~

I'm gonna try to re-read through some of this tonight/tomorrow and hopefully Fishy will get back to me in the meantime.

[Athenas Fury]

*I remember thinking that Pie sounded kinda fake in our other game. I don't' think he actually posted in this game, which is problematic in and of itself.

[Athenas Fury]

*GiF was my partner in Red WINE. Geeze.

[Athenas Fury]

Generic - This is when I HATE fucking playing with you. This is just like We the purple all over again. I wasn't calling you scum. I was trying to work with you and though you buddied the fuck out of me in the beginning of that game you started acting like the biggest piece of fucking shit that ever disgraced mafiascum AND you are doing it again. I fucking hate it like shit when you start playing like this. I"M laughing at you that you don't know how to read me because you plagued and mocked the fuck out of me in We the Purple when I was reading you as town and trying like hell to get Nacho to listen to me. But NO, you couldn't see clearly. The only ONLY thing I have said here is that I'm laughing my ass off that you don't know how to read me. As far as your hydra. I think you're town. And if you would bother reading anything I've said, you would know that. So, you want to stop spouting bullshit that you don't know what you're talking about any second? But I mean sure, let me "deal" with mara cuz I sure as shit fucking hate dealing with you.

[Athenas Fury]

Generic - This is when I HATE fucking playing with you. This is just like We the purple all over again. I wasn't calling you scum. I was trying to work with you and though you buddied the fuck out of me in the beginning of that game you started acting like the biggest piece of fucking shit that ever disgraced mafiascum AND you are doing it again. I fucking hate it like shit when you start playing like this. I"M laughing at you that you don't know how to read me because you plagued and mocked the fuck out of me in We the Purple when I was reading you as town and trying like hell to get Nacho to listen to me. But NO, you couldn't see clearly. The only ONLY thing I have said here is that I'm laughing my ass off that you don't know how to read me. As far as your hydra. I think you're town. And if you would bother reading anything I've said, you would know that. So, you want to stop spouting bullshit that you don't know what you're talking about any second? But I mean sure, let me "deal" with mara cuz I sure as shit fucking hate dealing with you.

Yeah, certainly reads like you are laughing.

Not at all like a tantrum. And you nearly cost town the game in we the purple, so thanks for bringing that example up. I had two of the three mafia identified on their claim.

But carry on telling me how it's all me. Cos you are coming across not at all emotionally unstable again.

You got a calm head in that hydra I hope, cos nacho saved it last time for ya.

Not then no, the first post which I can only assume you were referring to.

And you giving your take on we the purple shows you have no clue. I was fighting FOR you in we the purple. I wanted to lynch cabd and was arguing you were town. You started mocking me for town reading you and bring to chicken to vote you in lylo when I was trying to get nacho to take another look at cabd. After you behaved the way you did, I told nacho I was done fighting for you and he could go ahead and lynch you, that's why he said I was your last hope. But he read through the stuff I had said about cabd and realized he was scum.

I know that I retracted this after we the purple but I mean it now, please never ever sign up for a game I'm in. I have no desire to ever play with you again. Please don't respond to me again in this game. I will not be apart of another distraction in this game.

[Athenas Fury]

On iPad again so not messing with walls.

M&M - some of their interaction with me felt off, like the way they were expecting me to look back at wagons or Scumhunt in a way that doesn't make sense with what they know of or think of me. I also felt like they were selective scumhunting in regards to me. Tbf some of it could be clouded by annoyance. Sometimes when someone frustrates me or is pushing me in a way that drives me nuts or feels wrong and not genuine to me, I tend to think they're scum. I have had scum tunnel on me before and push the angle that my emotions are fake because I'm scum so sometimes that just sends up red flags to me. However, I like the willingness to step back when I think tunneling on me would be easy to continue doing and wouldn't get him much flak.

[Athenas Fury]

Hoping fishy gets back to me soon. The last time we talked he still wasn't fond of pfr, but we haven't much talked about squirrel girl. Ill glance through medical mafia though to see if I see what you guys are talking about.

[Athenas Fury]

Okay I'm confused. I thought the medical mafia was being discussed for squirrel girl, but I don't see her in that game. Who is it being referenced for then?

[Athenas Fury]

Thanks for the link; i'll look at it when i get back home. I'm not a complete retard though, it's not officially titled medical mafia >_>

[Athenas Fury]

I doubt very seriously I'll have time to do anything in this game before Friday and there are some things I want to re-read back through and finish talking to fishy about.

[Athenas Fury]

PFR, we are with you on the Mara slot read, but our read comes mostly from the fact that Gens little freak out was fake as fuck, and that guy is a fucking hypocrite.

M&M we are leaning town on, haven't really had much to go on. Opening the day with a vote is questionable, but you have to admit you guys have done some scummy shit so far this game.

Mastin I'll need a little more time with, still haven't figured out how to read him.

Why is siam town for that post?

-Fishy

[Athenas Fury]

Listen, Tammy and I have talked at length about you in our qt. We had you as scum, we had you as null, scum again, and we finally settled on town. The hammer could be scummy because of the lack of claim. We are wanting to work with you to lynch scum here.

[Athenas Fury]

In fact we are so sure of Mara being scum that we will

Vote Mara

You should have thought twice before teaming up with Gen. He probably bounced to keep his precious scum record intact.

[Athenas Fury]

PFR, you'd have to ask Tammy what started that.

[Athenas Fury]

Hey Gen, go fuck yourself.

[Athenas Fury]

Look at the big man who thinks his RL circumstances make a difference to fucking anyone. And last time I checked you quit this game, so kindly remove yourself from the thread. Bye bye scumgen.

[Athenas Fury]

We were not on M&M at any point.

[Athenas Fury]

I don't need threats from a petty little girl.

What sparked this post?

Generic said he had a gut scum read of me because of AtE, which amused the fuck out of me. Anyone who has ever ever played with me knows that I'm a pretty emotional player, and the accusation of AtE has incidentally been responsible for my only mislynch ever in lylo. I don't think I AtE, I just say what I'm thinking and feeling, but I've been accused of it on multiple occasions. Anyway, I laughed at him about the accusation because he clearly doesn't know how to frame what scum me actually looks like, this even being after being my scum partner once. Anyway, I laughed at him that he didn't know how to read me because this is now twice in a row he's feeling around a scum read on me when I'm town. The last was in We the Purple, when I was town reading him while Nacho was scum reading him and I was trying like hell to get Nacho to listen to me. He accused me then of weird buddying and then when I tried to save his ass in lylo he called me a coward for not voting him. Anyway, I laughed at his inability to read me, and he retorted by insulting me like he does because that's what he does. I then told him that the blacklist that I took back after his behavior in We the Purple was real, and, polietly I might add, requested that he never sign up for a game that I am in again because I will not play with him anymore. There were no threats, but he can't help but make himself the victim in every story.

I skimmed today while at work and can't truly really respond to everything as I'm about to crash, but I saw the postulation that I could actually be his scum partner. I don't typically report my scum partners for calling me a bitch. (And KidA, I sort of get where you're coming from but fishy was defending me from an attack by someone not even in this game. His calling me a bitch, when I havne't even posted I might add and for something that wasn't implied was uncalled for.) For the record, both of the heads of our hydra had to put up with his non stop abuse and mocking in We the Purple, and we're both fed up.

[Athenas Fury]

I think Athena's/Marangal has at least one, possibly 2 scum in it. Generic's latest posts in the thread are really tempting to read into and I want to say that Scum-mara necessarily means Scum-Athena but his post read sort of town to me anyhow. Still I think they would be my focus over SiAm (town) and RBD (pirate)

The problem is, I'm not seeing Si/Am as town. I don't see their posts as legitimate; they come across as faked. I don't see them as townposting; I see them as scumposting. They seem survivalistic and manipulative, rather than analytical and unafraid. I'm not seeing Rancid as town. ("Pirate" is an accurate description of how I feel about him. ) I'm not seeing Marangal as scum; that slot's posting has seemed really legitimate to me. It has seemed genuine. It has seemed town. And Athena's basically dead-null to me; I can see them as scum or as town equally.

Give me reasons. Why is Si/Am town? Why is Marangal scum to you? What is your take on Athena?

It is absolutely impossible for you to be "dead-null" on us. I think I would feel tons better about you if you would pull a "Tammy's fooled me in the past" type of paranoia, but you're not doing any of that. If you are concerned about me why aren't you engaging me? We've rather recently been scum partners, so I'd imagine that you would think that you could get inside my head and figure out my alignment better than most due to that, but I don't see that attempt at all. You're practically damn near acting like I don't exist while putting out feelers to see what everyone else thinks. Just so you know, if you're attempting to designate me as your endgame mislynch the fight will be far greater than you think it will.

[Athenas Fury]

Also, I'm not sure who I really want to be voting for, but I'm kinda delirious with lack of sleep and should give up trying to read through this game and make sense and should give up and go to bed and read through the things I want to read back through tomorrow when I have more time. Thirteen hour days suck.

But, this is how I feel:



Also, just damn good song.

[Athenas Fury]

Unvote

For now.

[Athenas Fury]

OKAY. People voting for themselves fucks with my head in the first place, but in LyLo it's doubly so. Please be kind to the princess of paranoia and don't pull that shit if you're town. I have very few things I've decided I'm confident about in this game right now. You guys being town is one of those things, don't fuck with that.

[Athenas Fury]

Athena's Fury is basically scum-by-POE, and null otherwise. I haven't been able to read their posts as town or scum. (Admittedly, I've skimmed their more recent posting.) Yet since I think Marangal is town, they have to be scum anyway.

But I still haven't done my fact-checking, yet.

This is bullshit. Don't skimp and wimp out on actually reading me and giving me a true read. You are totally feeling like the scum mastin from good v evil who called me scum and then ignored me.

You literally cannot cannot have me as null. Not when you have professed to have me as a town read off of one post in RVS before. The egotistical mastin I've come to expect would never just call me null or poe scum. Like seriously, Mastin, you have been scum with me. you know how I think as scum. Why aren't you engaging me to figure me out? Why are you just sticking me in a null-poe pile?

[Athenas Fury]

i have no ideas to bounce off anyone. i threw out all my reads.

last night i had a theory generic hydra and tammy hydra were scum together and generic hydra didn't want to bus tammy yesterday but i'm not sure how much sense they make as scum together given tammy-generic thing (though he's probably capable of faking an emotional reaction like that, i was thinking he prob wouldn't replace out because of a fight with a buddy - slightly rethinking this as a possibility given he is clearly still reading the game and hasn't actually replaced out) and i don't really have a scum read on generic hydra based on their play

plus i'm not sure how much sense either of them makes as scum with mastin - i'm trying to figure out what YA was doing with their tammy vote D1 and i dunno which head or heads were pushing it so i dunno how i'm supposed to assess it

I'm just gonna at this.

this. but basically rbd should be reading me as town by this point and I don't see the concern at all.

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Basic rundown on my thoughts:
Rancid's scum. zMuff is posting not to analyze for who the scum are, but to manipulate things so that the town think each other are scum. For instance, his posting on D2 said I was town, if you look at it. (I'm translating "welcome on my ship" to mean "townread".) Now that it's lylo rather than the day before lylo, though...he's suddenly scumreading me. Frankly, this is rats-ass backwards from what it should be. Plenty of players were thinking I was scum yesterday. Defending me gave him towncred in case I ended up being the lynch, and also would make it less likely for me to figure him out. (I am a sucker for buddying.) Now that it's lylo, though, and I lived...he's here, attacking me, insisting I'm scum despite him damn-well knowing this isn't my scumgame. All-in-all, his stances seem highly "convenient". That is, he's willing to lynch anyone he knows isn't scum. And he's encouraging those fights. Encouraging people to think I'm scum. Maybe encouraging people to think Mhork/Mindy is scum (in spite of saying that they had townposted yesterday). All in all...I don't see the town zMuf I know. This is his scumplay, through-and-through.

What about his posting is scum, and what did you think about him pushing the hell out of me for liek two days and then stepping back, becaust I thought htat was townish.

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This is basically a prod dodge. I should be finished rereading through some things tomorrow or so, rather busy right now.

Fishy and I are in disagreement over Mara right now. When I was frustrated before I just gave in to his suspicion, but I really really like the "fuck it I want my birthday scum lynch". I mean that's fakeable sure, but it reminds me exactly how I felt in chef mafia. I had a scum read and I wanted it lynched for my birthday, so yeah that felt town to me. We are probably just going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

Muffin - I just thought you'd realize I was town by now.

Mastin's posts are a big pile of plghthggvtvyhbt. I need to talk to fishy more about him too. I feel like I'm town reading people who like me and scum reading people who don't, which really isn't helpful. I just wish we had a scum flip to go off of. iWork so much better when I have something solid to work with.

Anyway, more later, Tylenol now.

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Hmm…so one thing that is weirding me out right now is mastin's scum reading of siam but not voting there. It feels like he's keeping his bases open. I'm not sure what that means for siam though. I know that mastin hates bussing and when we were scum together in anything goes he was town reading all of us even though there were occasions when we weren't very town at all. So, I'm really not sure what to think but my paranoia button has kinda gone off. Um, with malariach not really doing anything though they've been in the near hot seat and mastin dancing around that scum read but not voting, I just don't know what to think. I mean I didn't think very highly of Mastin's predecessor anyway because they didn't do anything at all really except for kinda troll day one, and mastin hasn't made anything better. The most he did was vote for mindy whom I've had as pretty decently town since day two, and that not going anywhere and mastin pushing on the breaks is something that I just don't know what to think about right now. I really wish we had a scum flip to go off of right now so I had something solid because so far what i've reread day one is about what I thought before that there's not a whole lot to learn form it except for the fact that sometimes i get caught up in omgus and am terrible but beyond that there was a bunch of noise.

Anyway, i should be finished reading through stuff by tomorrow or thursday and hopefully will get a chance to run my ideas by fishy, but where I'm standing right now I don't see how my vote won't end up on mastin.

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Our strongest town reads are mhork and mindy with us debating over paranoid whatever and the pirates as who else we think is town. The paranoia is sure doing a number on my confidence in fishy's read though with their earlier antics. I'd probably put Ms. Marangal over the pirates if it weren't for fishy though. I might have just called everyone town though because I just suck.

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I dont know if i see mara town. Gen was too damaging

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Mara, how did you feel about Gens break down? Do you think his rage against Tammy was in bounds?

[Athenas Fury]

Why wouldn't they question a town read? Reads as something only town would do.

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I KNOW Mara has to be scum because if she was town then we would have hammered by now. Simple as that. Unless scum had trouble getting online at the same time.

Unless you are scum.

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I don't think I'd hear it in Pittsburgh.

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Still here, talking to Tammy in our qt. She is saying that this is Mala town, and is chastising me for reading her off Gen. Calm the fuck down.

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Which one of you are posting right now?

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(he means Mara)

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She's been paranoid because she seems to always read Rach as scum. And yes, I had the incorrect 3rd letter there.

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I meant mara, not mala. I reference Gen in the post as the basis for my read.

[Athenas Fury]

Alright, the more I look at things, the more I see Mara as town, and Siam as scum. I am willing to indulge Tammy on this one, since she has engaged me on my rabbit hole adventures.

Vote Siam

[Athenas Fury]

You were much different of a player in the newbie.

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Sure you arent scum mastin?

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Scum.

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I'm sorry

I really did think we were hammered that day. I really did get upset about it, but it was more because I was super stressed that day, I was super busy at work, hadn't slept and I felt like I had let fishy down. Actually I thought we were hammered twice that day. Fishy was really nice telling me not to worry about it when I had a meltdown in our qt though.

I really did try hard to inject an emotional reaction like I would as town though, but I was also telling the truth about me trying to change my meta so that I'm not as reactive.

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But yeah, there was a lot of poison in this game, and like mhork and mindy I'll refrain from commenting on things until the game is officially called, but yeah.

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Tammy, you're going to be a default scum-read from now on

But I'm always town.

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scum qt