Open 544: Tit for Tat (Game Over)

[Lucky2u]

I say we wait for the replacement first,

just to give them a chance to say something before getting lynched

(to claim maybe). I mean, we get the deadline extension so it doesn't really hurt, right?

"something"

Sorry couldn't resist lame joke. So what's going on guys? I see I am at L -1 and I haven't even said anything yet! How long do I have to make a case for why I am actually a vanilla townie and you guys are wrong?

[Lucky2u]

Not going to take any of the time at all to ask me questions or let me atleast try and catch up to give a dying declaration? If your going to lynch me, which seems likely by the last few pages, don't you atleast want info?

[Lucky2u]

Lucky, there's not much information you can give unless you want to read over the past 46 pages. Lynching you right now would actually be a favor for you, would it not? (At least in my eyes)

You claimed you're a vanilla townie, which means at worst, we lose a lurker powerless townie (Hayate, not you per-say) and at best, we capture scum false-claiming. You kinda have a really bad position, because I feel it'd be hard to ask you to defend Hayate's actions, but at the same time anybody can fake townie for a day or two. It's the process, going through the entire Day Phase with someone, giving them a chance to show their true motivation, that would help the town find the scum. Not giving them 24 hours to act as townie as possible.

I can't help but think your claim is fake. But I also can't challenge you on anything right now, because you just replaced in... I'm caught between a rock and a hard place.

Are you making the argument that it's better to euthanize me? Even if I can't stop my lynch, I know I am town and will win with town dead or alive. I want to give them some posts by the people who will still be alive tomorrow to read. Why is that hard to understand? Why are so called town people seriously opposed to this (you and saki) ? I'll even agree to the stipulation that I be lynched at the end of the day, if I am given the time to contribute to towns victory. I may have done so already by you having made the quoted post.

[Lucky2u]

Mod, I'll take the extra time please.

I'm halfway through my read.

Deadline extended, I edited the vote count to reflect this.

[Lucky2u]

That was a hard read through with the amount of player changes. My own slot I feel just had a rash of players too lazy to play a vanilla townie. Sorry neil, I missed your request for halfway through reads before I moved on. Let me gather my thoughts together and I'll have my reads and notes laid out for you.

[Lucky2u]

Sorry for the delay, had RL interference. I don't really have any meta to draw from on anyone but Saki. Thank god too, because if I didn't know Saki was crazy, I'd have trouble understanding him. jon, we have played together but it's been awhile and I don't really remember you (no offence). The same might go for Titus, I can't remember for sure. Let's see what I can draw up.

Lucky2u - This guy is super town, trust and obey him!

Ankamius - Celebloki left a pretty town slot and I like Ank's aggressiveness and openess on everything he is thinking, without seeming to care what people think. Town read, but he needs to get over the wall posts. It's going to happen, try to read them.

Titus - The conversation with Titus and Loran about the identity of the vig was very telling. I am going with Titus as town mostly because of it. Which brings me to...

Loranthaceae - Multiple attempts to misrep Titus and trying to bait info from people about the vig ID, which can only be being done for aiming night actions as scum I would think. At one point when explaining her interaction with another player she said something to the affect of "it was worth it because I got a town read on him and he got one on me". Town shouldn't be actively seeking town reads on themselves. Probably Scum.

Saki - I can't even do this one really. Saki is Saki. I read him as Saki. Doesn't contribute for long periods of time, ignores questions, makes short posts that don't help (Like posting an emoticon, or stating the obvious). All of this is just Saki posting though... Maybe lynch him just to see what he is.

MTD - German. Must be scum. Honestly I am null here. If there is a case someone can point me to in his ISO, I can't make a strong argument for town or scum on him.

jon_h61 - if it wasn't for asking the Vig repeatedly to shoot him, I would probably agree that Jon is definite town. I just feel like it's something I would do as scum to try and show how town I am. I'll just say he is leaning town for me, for super scum hunting.

neil1113 - this guy made himself a target for me before I even started reading to catch up. I may have some bias because of his suggestion to euthanize my slot to save me the trouble of playing this game starting at a bad position. I paid more attention to his slot than perhaps I did others. The last post by his predecessor was one of the most scummy things I've seen this game.

Spoiler:

I think what really seals it is that loran voted me today, while still being adamant that anka is scum
Vote: anka

I could also swing lorans way but I think anka might have gained the jk ability and that’s why loran isn’t voting him anymore

todays options are me, anka, or loran, no one else pls

How the hell does that vote line up with that post? Town Tlachta should have voted Loran here. It's his stronger read and the jailkeeper assumption is a freaking guess. He didn't vote Loran because that is his partner. When neil picks up the slot, he furthers the odd behavior by saying he doesn't like Loran and calling him a hypocrit but TOWN reading him. LOL! no... that's ridiculous. I'm afraid I don't agree with Jon, neil is not a good scum. He has spent multiple posts saying things along the lines "When I flip town" "After I flip town" "If I flip town". I think he is doing it to put doubt in his would be wagoners, and seems to be working because people are too scared to pull the trigger. Scum, needs rope.

VOTE: neil

dopog - can't really read dopog since there isn't much to read. He replaced hopkirk who was super lurky and unhelpful, with very little content. Null.

[Lucky2u]

If anyone is still around, I'll make myself as available as possible until deadline to squeeze as much info out of me as we can.

[Lucky2u]

why does it make no sense that I don't remember you if we played many moons ago?

what do you mean voting for your vig?

[Lucky2u]

Just because I think you are town doesn't mean I agree with you on who the scum is. It just means I think you aren't one of those scum. You can be my town read and be voting me for example, by your logic there I would need to vote myself.

[Lucky2u]

This may be a stalemate. I really do not want a no lynch but lynching my pr candidate is worse. So yeah, longshot but gotta try.

So you won't hammer even if deadline comes?

[Lucky2u]

It's stuff like that that make me unsure of you Jon. I could take that as a scum slip or nervous town.

[Lucky2u]

@ lucky That's OK. I don't really have to worry about making scum slips, I need to expose scum. Everything I've done all game is try to expose scum. So it's impossible to prove I'm scum. It makes it where I can be more aggressive. At any time anyone thinks I'm not looking for scum their vote better be on me.

As for the vig thing, that's up to him and I fully expect to be vigged if neil's Town.

tl:dr If you ever think I'm scum vote me.

You won't be vigged because

I am the town.

There's my claim.

Go ahead and hammer me if you wish, I'm dead tonight anyway.

I assume you meant to say town vig here... Whelp this is upsetting. I came in to this game wanting to help town and I may have just screwed us over. Awesome.

[Lucky2u]

Flash wagon new target?

VOTE: Loran

[Lucky2u]

If Neil is fake claiming, why not let the vig kill him tonight?

[Lucky2u]

But Neil is the only one claiming vig. They don't know who the vig is, and if it's not Neil, that vig is being smart by shutting up. Besides, Neil just hammered so we are moving on.

[Lucky2u]

Ebwop: you figured it out.

[Lucky2u]

Wait sorry, Neil isn't claiming vig.

[Lucky2u]

It's all a little confusing...

[Lucky2u]

Oh... Sorry. I'll just shut up now until tomorrow.

[Lucky2u]

So you are or aren't vig. Final answer please?

Uh... No. This is not a good town question. Why are you asking this? There are no town protective roles that benefit from him answering that for certain.

[Lucky2u]

No. It's vig fishing. Stop it.

[Lucky2u]

Ah... Nicely done niel! Made it look heavily like you were the vig so you'd get the NK. Thanks for that.

[Lucky2u]

It seems like that plan could go rather wrong. Especially if the vig is impatient enough to just shoot anyway.

[Lucky2u]

My two strongest scum reads are dead. Clearly I had a terrible grip on this game coming into it. So I'll start with everyone being null to me and try again...

@dopog why those two?

[Lucky2u]

continue on like normal!

[Lucky2u]

Who's up for lynching dopog and letting the vig decide the game?

VOTE: dopog

[Lucky2u]

Well atleast I end gamed...

Sorry i couldn't be more help town! I did not see Saki being the vig...

[Lucky2u]

I'm not sure if Sakura was complimenting me or insulting me for my play...

Thanks for modding either way!