Open 542: Pick Your Power X/Y (Game Over)

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:03 pm

Before I do one for you pisskop,

In post 1308, pisskop wrote:I think he or Gaiden are likely lynches. I also think that if either one is scum than they are not buddies, which you do.

Where do you find a dissonance between them? I don't see why they both can't be buddies.

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:06 pm

Tier jumped on someone with 0 reasoning or logic.

Nacho saw a wagon, decided not to join it, and if I remember correctly, after that post he starts on Celebloki.

Those are two very different events.

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:13 pm

but i do look dumb in the underline parts; i worded it poorly

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:43 am

In post 1326, True Ogre wrote:your plan is to lynch the claimed town watcher, after a flip and a night kill, no counterclaim, weak and overspun cases levelled against him, etc etc?

It's not so obvious, True Ogre.

1. Power Role doesn't necessarily mean town. The game can be 3 scum with PR and 11 vanilla townies for all anyone knows.
2. How does the flip and night kill say anything about bjc?
3. No counterclaim = doesn't mean that the role just doesn't exist in general
4. Weak and overspun = tell me the weak parts and we can still discuss it

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:45 am

In post 1329, SXTLHGaiden wrote:this Gaiden only claims when he is at L-1 and Intent has been declared.

I'm declaring intent when you get to L-1, so someone declare intent to put him there at L-1

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:03 am

Spoiler: Fluff post: At the Open 542 house party with Triton and pisskop

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:18 am

In post 1311, pisskop wrote:Triton, thoughts on nacho? You seem to be harbouring some strong playahate. IODs got you down?

My thoughts are that whenever he enters a game, he tells people what to do (as scum, our team lost a game when Nacho replaced in, picked out all the scum to an easy win, and my scum teammate Mhork made a treatise on why replacements hurt games). Mafiascum has people on this site who are sheepable because their experience backs the fact that they are often right when identifying scum when they are town (making them equally dangerous when they are scum).

I didn't like it when he disappeared earlier, but when he's here he does make some good points. He convinced me to look at Celebloki and I did, and he also mentioned the PR hunt theory, which nobody else in this game thought of, and I was thinking "well see that's what experience does for you".

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:58 am

In post 1335, True Ogre wrote:What it is overwhelmingly likely to mean, however, is that if bjc is scum that either he or one of the scumteam picked the 1-shot watcher or commuter role. Does that seem likely?

Ok I'm understanding you better. Your viewpoint is "what roles would scum teams likely want to own?"

Scum commuter, to escape from town PRs finding you, is totally helpful. In addition, it takes away the chance of anyone being a watcher too. I'd say it would very advantageous to take something away from that slot.

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:01 am

In post 1335, True Ogre wrote:Their thinking is probably: he was almost lynched yesterday, he's a likely protect target, so he is the best mislynch today.

Ok that's true, as a scum, you don't kill mislynchable people.

However, under what reasoning, does bjc not have to use his watcher power? If you're town bjc, you've just told scum "hey i'm a watcher here" meaning you should be afraid to be killed at some point.

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:51 am

When i said "reasoning" i meant his own reasoning, I wasn't accusing you of not providing info. But to be honest I did miss your post in that time period. Let's look at it:

No idea who to watch = i'll buy this as null, because you can watch your scummiest read, but then if that person knows you're their scum read, they can let someone else do the kill, etc.
Role gets stronger the longer the game goes on = not sure how this works; i imagine the night before lylo it's definitive, but that's kinda late isn't it
If he was dying N1 the result wouldn't come back anyway = i'm going to ponder this for a bit
Only outed investigative PR is a prime target for Roleblocker if that role exists = i'm going to try to talk this one "out loud" below...

i'm a town 1 shot
there may be a roleblocker out there
that roleblocker, is not a 1 shot, so he is going to keep blocking me until it's no longer necessary
so i have to wait for either another investigative PR to come out, or the roleblocker itself to come out

See, this is where I have a problem. For bjc's "watch" to work, it requires us outing other PRs.

Bear with me, but if you're a scum and normal goon, didn't claiming 1 shot watcher just give you the opportunity to out some valuable town PRs? Maybe that's what happened. Scum teammate gets a commuter. BJC, back in a 4 position, probably didn't get a role since he's way back in the draft order. His job, is to go ahead and claim watcher, because 1: it keeps him alive assumably by saying he's a PR and he can scare people away from "mislynching" him, and 2: it sets up a domino effect to out some other PRs.

That scenario I just described, yeah it requires some smart ass scum work, and definitely people with an "IQ higher than 30". So what do we do?

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:55 am

And finally,

Why does BJC want out of the game? Because someone is hounding on him? If you know you're town, you're a PR, and someone is hounding on you, then maybe you have a pretty good scum read. Why quit? Why not stay in and push that person to say "this guy is definite scum". I don't see a town PR requesting to get himself killed.

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:52 am

In post 1349, True Ogre wrote:I don't understand how claiming watcher outs other PR's except to either confirm or damn him.
I don't understand how watcher/commuter is a strong role for scum.

I think when you're scum at L-1 you claim whatever you want to out the pro-town roles.

And the watcher/commuter may not be a "strong" role, but is a good role for town to have. Part of my suspicion is always "well maybe bjc is just trying to fish someone out" and looking for a counterclaim. If no counterclaim occurs, which is a sticking point for people, is optimal play not to counter claim, seeing as bjc is lynchable anyway?

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:20 am

......

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:21 am

if this turns into havingfitz again i am going to cry

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:31 am

is gaiden magically town now?

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:53 pm

Spoiler: Fluff post: The Open 542 house party Part 2

jmo gaiden bjc? so two people picked 4s? so we're buying my theory back from 3 weeks ago that scum are wifoming? better not tell CTD or a bunch of other people that!

let me think about it, but i do not want the wagons moving away from Gaiden or BJC, i think you're being ridiculous at the moment moving away from those wagons

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:05 am

In post 1409, yessiree wrote:
In post 1190, uctriton00 wrote:Thanks for the note about talking about site activity. Because....

In post 1165, Saki wrote:TierShift has requested replacement.
Hahahahahaha. caught so hard
Towns also replace out if they think there's too many scrubshits that they'd rather not have deal with ya'know

Which should be blacklistable IMO; replacements ruin the flow of games enough as it is. It's ridiculous to think you can quit a game because "you don't like how it's going" for you.

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:40 am

In post 1407, yessiree wrote:i'm gonna disagree here. Gaiden's reads more or less line up with the read I got.

Here's the thing. What *are* Gaiden's reads? His ISO (last checked, 33 posts long), to me goes like this:

0. RVS
1. how I picked my number
2. vla
3. he's busy
4. unvote, gonna start
5. Bulba, how did the draft work?
6. explanation to Bulba how the draft works
7. people didn't read the wiki during the pregame
8. name change
9. explains "wrt"
10. fake hammer on bjc
11. havingfitz, don't tell him the hammer wasn't real
12. triton, that wasn't a real vote
13. jmo, there's no way to tell who neighborized who
14. neighbor topics are created n1
15. here is a list of reads
16. vote nacho
17. my scum buddies are too obvoius
18. gaiden speaks 3rd person
19. i don't want to be at L-1
20. i'm at work
21. answers my questions to him
22. people claim at intent
23. hello notscience
24. are you town, notscience?
25. i'm town
26. nacho accused me and people sheepd him
27. follow up to my questions on him
28. vla
29. i like the idea of lynching jmo
30. jmo is my scum read
31. vote jmo
32. i only claim at L-1

That's what I got from doing his ISO. His posts, if anything, are either fluff, or information over analysis. i see way too little on analysis. The only times he made analysis are after I prodded into him.

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:43 am

I have the jmo ISO open and I can already see jmo at least asking questions or making conjecture. Gonna go do work, but I'll walk that ISO after (the same way I did the sixt wagon) and I think it has way more effort and hunting on it than what we just saw from sixt right now.

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:47 am

Actually what the hell am I doing, what I just demonstrated was pure gold. That's probably my first application of "information over analysis" hunt ever.

Vote: sixt gaiden

And fluff post below for bjc

In post 1402, bjc wrote:prod doge becuz exams.

Spoiler: doge

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:21 am

In post 1418, yessiree wrote:his reads and the explainations in 866 and 972

First on in 866 was a list of reads. Often they didn't come with any context.

972 was a reaction to me asking him questions.

His only action is reactive, and he's not being proactive. Doesn't this strike you as odd?

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:22 am

Where are the questions? Where is the scumhunting? Where does he say "hey why did you do this, why did you do that?" or engaging of anyone in general?

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:25 am

In post 1422, SXTLHGaiden wrote:triton, you seem to really want me dead.
so much for the town leader thing you were trying to push.

How are those two things you just said related

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:30 am

i can already see the JMO iso, and i only scrolled down half a page to see it's way better than yours, and that a counterwagon of jmo against you doesn't make any sense, because there's no reason (at least from my perspective) that jmo is scummier than you. i'll do the jmo iso as well again, especially since yessiree claims it should look the same as yours. doing some things at work but i'm checking in every half hour or so, so i'll be done in a few.

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:02 am

0. rvs
1. calls conversation awkward
2. true ogre, are you a hydra
3. explains why he's voting cirno
4. tier, i want to know why cirno didn't seem to want a high role
5. hermy, yes i agree scum can easily bring up number analysis
6. tier, do you think he randomly picked a number?
7. pisskop, what was that?
8. tiershift, triton is naturally slow to pick up on things
9. bulba, damn you have my figured out
10. pisskop, no the scum in a 4 block likely won't rebel so it will still be a strong block
11. pisskop, what was that?
12. i'm busy
13. bulba, that looks like a manufactured town slip. bulba, pisskop is asking why you are voting him but not ger, and it's likely not a deflection, but i think you're town after you moved your vote. pisskop the post you made was irrelevant. tier, no that wasn't a bulba statement, it was something i said, wait nvm i was talking about pisskop cirno. cele, i'm going to save this reads list. nacho, i agree with you on your bulba question. bulba, (fluff). ger, (fluff).
14. busy
15. busy
16. busy
17. vote bjc
18. unvote bjc
19. i had to take grandmother to hospital
20. tier, scum would be fine taking away commutes from players.
21. bjc, you got a pr? did you crumb?
22. bjc is a 4? we can't lynch a 4!
23. bjc, how do you logic triton needs to be lynched
24. tier, why are you volunteering to look for bjc's bread crumb?
25. if we kill our 4s, scum will laugh. also, if scum are actually in the 4s, they will laugh.
26. bulba, i didn't realize bjc was a 4
27. vote pisskop
28. pisskop, people find you scummy, killing you would be less distracting
29. bjc, vote pisskop if you think he should die.
30. i'd rather vote a claimed vt than a claimed watcher
31. sad that fitz died
32. twilight long
33. fitz, give reads
34. triton, i don't need your help
35. bjc, why would you try to end twlight early
36. (fluff)
37. triton, you're awkward.
38. prod fitz
39. thank you for reads
40. someone find who cirno neighbored
41. sixt, i'm not rolefishing. look for a cirno crumb. the neighbor would not have the old topic.
42. wait, bjc is alive.
43. vote gaiden, sheep nacho.
44. bjc, that was a horrible voting logic.
45. bulba, what if bjc didn't watch anyone?
46. he's a 1-shot, what if he didn't use it yet?
47. (fluff)
48. i'm busy
49. nacho, what did the neighbor topic say? what were his reads?
50. i'm busy
51. nacho, as scum when we play, we leave the top pick alone because we assume they are going to be JKed anyway.
52. scum get daychat?
53. forgetting that i did a daychat in a game where my dad almost died is scummy?
54. mentioning my dad died is not an ATE. i forgot the game because i wasn't in it very long.
55. double post
56. (fluff)
57. i only posted in the daychat twice, and how is forgetting about it scummy? i remember things from the daychat part
58. pisskop, what is your opinion on what triton wrote
59. pisskop, anyone can fake town reads. is that true?
60. pisskop, me pointing out my own town posts is dumb. give me what you see is scummy.
61. pisskop, so you accuse me of not caring because i have a preliminary town read, and because i lied about daychat. here is the link to the daychat, here.
62. prod dodge

A few things:
- This blows gaiden's ISO out of the way, so if I read your guys' sentiments right and you are trying to decide between the two, I think there's no comparison.
- I actually agree with pisskop's hunt. it was odd that jmo was in a game where he had daychat, but outright said "since when do they get daychat", and then started ranting at us for calling him out about it. Irrelevant of the ATE (which, yes, it was ATE, you could have said "in a game where i was only in it for a short time" instead of "in a game where i was only in it for a short time because my dad almost died"; that was an irrelevant piece of info to provide). It's enough for me to be suspicious.
- That being said, I really liked #3 and #4 and #10 and #13 as actual hunts, and his unwillingness to actually end the day and get more info out of a lynch. If scum knew they just got a townie killed, why would they want a townie talking at all? This is probably my most townie read post by him.
- I see what yessiree is talking about, I typed out the words fluff and busy enough times in the second half of the game (the majority of my town reads come from the early ISO).

For me, this is outweighed enough to not desire to have jmo vs gaiden be a lynch. I'd much rather it be bjc vs gaiden. (as i said, i don't like how bjc even wanted to end the twilight so early, and bjc was saying "just kill pisskop he is distracting". Didn't someone in this game just call out jmo for wanting to kill pisskop for being distracting? if so, why not call bjc out on the same premise?)

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:24 am

In post 1431, yessiree wrote:So in your eyes, scum will just secretly laugh i their QT during twilight whenever a mislynch occurs?

I think it's pro-scum to get a twilight over with as soon as possible, and nobody discusses anything. Prolonging twilight, talking, etc, doesn't help matters when you're scum and you got a ML down and you ask him to give his opinion.

Not to be derp on my part, but are you saying that jmo is probably doing all those twilight things to look town to people like me?

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:09 am

Questions for jmo

1. What did you mean back a while ago when you said "someone find out who Cirno neighborized?"?
2. bjc survived the night. Why did you find that surprising, and what do you take away from that?

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:11 am

In post 1444, True Ogre wrote:bjc is last in the chain.

This doesn't apply because the scum were working together and coordinated their draft slots. As far as anyone knows, one of his higher drafting teammates chose it.

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:21 am

In post 1451, geraintm wrote:Some people might actually be good at this game and not make obvious screw ups

Yes I know that.

(Hyperbole) I should just revoke all my town reads, conclude every game is 1 town vs all scum, and hope I draw a cop power role so i can investigate everyone each night for sure. (/hyperbole)

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:36 am

In post 1453, True Ogre wrote:"Oh you're right, he couldn't have picked the role so my previous assertion that he picked it to deny town the role is wrong, so instead I'm going to new levels, man, and saying someone on his team picked it, so yeah-huh, I'm still right".

I don't think you have my assertions on bjc down.

My assertions are:
1. Being last in the chain of a pick your power setup, I don't see him managing to snag a role
2. If he DID get a role, it doesn't mean he's town
3. The theory that no counterclaim means he is the PR, can be debunked by
- 3a. someone else on his team has the role (either watcher, or the commuter role)
- 3b. nobody got the role
- 3c. a townie has the role, and they have knowledge of optimal play, in that they don't need to counterclaim someone they see as lynchable. A 1 for 0 trade.

I think bjc is scummy for reasons not everyone believes, namely that I think he is being unhelpful, unscumhunty, unmotivated, and in general trolling everyone by pretending to have a PR and not providing any kind of proof by simply saying he didn't use it.

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:14 am

In post 1459, True Ogre wrote:Who is pushing the theory that no counterclaim means town?

It's been said that "so we're going to lynch an uncounterclaimed PR?" several times. It may have been you in fact who said it.

And I do have a vote on Gaiden. Vote count is probably wrong.

@Mod, I voted Gaiden in #1415, it's not on BJC anymore

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:04 pm

Making sure it counts

vote: gaiden

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:34 pm

Actually jmo what is your reads on the game
Did we miss it, because I walked that entire ISO of yours

uctriton00 · Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:01 am

why me?

uctriton00 · Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:45 am

it's happening again
like a soldier with PTSD
i'm having flashbacks

how did all of a sudden you guys no longer care about jmo? what the hell I thought you guys saw scum in that so bad and now you're doing a Nacho wagon?

Spoiler: Fluff Post: Open 542 house party episode 3: Mean Girls

uctriton00 · Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:12 am

not until you tell me why gaiden claiming jailkeeper made you move off of jmo

uctriton00 · Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:39 am

In post 1496, yessiree wrote:I thought you should be familiar with this. It's called having multiple scumreads?

Spoiler: well played

but I was still hoping we get a prod out of JMO too to see what his read list is to analyze it since he conveniently never really did one

uctriton00 · Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:45 am

[courtesy page top grab for mod, permission to him to use this space to place a vote count]

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In post 1498, pisskop wrote:TO. will you revote gaiden if the time comes? ill sheep you.

So you don't believe his claim?

uctriton00 · Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:58 am

In post 1501, pisskop wrote:i think he is a jailkeeper. I buy it. now is he town?

<3

uctriton00 · Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:18 pm

In post 1475, geraintm wrote:
In post 1465, SXTLHGaiden wrote:I am now goin to sleep. As promised: Jailkeeper.
good night.
So what happens now then everyone?
He has claimed, and you lot don't seem to like lynching people who with a role.
I cannot see a counterclaim coming, scum will be too smart to let that happen.

Ever hear of role fishing?

uctriton00 · Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:36 pm

Wait if Tammy is TierShift (who yes I agree is a defeated scum replacement; town replace-outs look way different than TierShift leaving with his tail between his legs, although that's far from my entire case on him)

then who is Cait Sith

uctriton00 · Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:13 pm

In post 1529, Tammy wrote:I skimmed some of my predecessor's iso enough to get a town read before I replaced in.

that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard anyone do
"i read my predecessors ISO to get a town read"

what the hell, why doesn't THE ROLE PM ITSELF give you an idea what alignment you are? why was it necessary to ISO yourself to get a town read? am I reading that sentence correctly?

this TierShift slow, such bad

uctriton00 · Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:13 pm

*slot

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:12 am

Vote: yessiree

you have some **** to answer to

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:14 am

You tried very very hard to make sure this Gaiden lynch never went through

Your alternative was to push it all on jmo
After Gaiden claimed JK, you said "ok let's get nacho"

This is a classic "let's not let get my scum buddy lynched" but that means I need to change one of my reads on Tier and bjc and I need to chew on that for a bit

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:14 am

actually wasn't it bulba who said let's get nacho
we need to bring that up too

but first you yessiree

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:28 am

In post 1592, yessiree wrote:because I scumread jmo and Nacho?

you have no explanation of how you scumread nacho, from how long you "constructed" a jmo lynch, and then as soon as the claim happened you went *poof* oh well

If nacho was a big read of yours, why were you making a jmo wagon? If jmo WAS a bigger read then nacho, then why did you put your next vote on nacho instead of jmo after the claim?

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:34 am

Your scumread on nacho happened what, very early on in your appearance here, but then you go on, and on, and on, and on, about jmo.

You even had a jmo wagon that was, what, L-3? Even possibly then including me on it (you know you had me swinging, you could ******* see it when I broke down the jmo ISO and started seeing inaction in the second half). Why move off of a jmo wagon which is L-3 and move onto a Nacho one?

"My case on Nacho is his push on gaiden with a bullshit case"..... that makes no sense. This case on Nacho was made a long time ago, and was existent while you were still in the game. And yet, you put a wagon on jmo. Look at the post counts and timings (I can do it for you but you know what I'm talking about). You (or who was it) said something about it requiring an IQ of 30. But despite that, you create a jmo wagon.

And when the claim happens, that makes the Nacho case worse? You're going to have to ******* talk your way out of this one:

Nacho makes supposed IQ30 case against sixt --> yessiree forms jmo wagon --> sixt claims jail --> ???? --> yessiree goes to nacho

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:35 am

In post 1606, uctriton00 wrote:"My case on Nacho is his push on gaiden with a bullshit case"..... that makes no sense. This case
from
Nacho was made a long time ago, and was existent while you were still in the game. And yet, you put a wagon on jmo. Look at the post counts and timings (I can do it for you but you know what I'm talking about). You (or who was it) said something about it requiring an IQ of 30. But despite that, you create a jmo wagon.

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:45 am

In post 1609, yessiree wrote:lol

if you boil down Nacho's case on gaiden it's basically saying that gaiden didn't get nightkilled, which is built on a crapload of wifom

Where did all the jmo scum reading go? How did you spend half your ISO saying he was scum, posting a toot toot get on the train read, then have this mother-******* change of heart to all of a sudden put Nacho much higher?

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:51 am

In post 1614, yessiree wrote:in other words, that jmo wagon wasn't going anywhere and my vote was being useless,

Wrong, you had:

STXLHGaiden
yessiree
pisskop

True Ogre had just unvoted

And you had me who even went through step by step with an ISO, and I even affirmed that jmo does indeed look poor in the second half of his ISO.

There was plenty of reason to keep on a jmo wagon.

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:00 am

In post 1617, yessiree wrote:then what scum motivation is there that I would start a different one instead of pushing it?

Easy.

It's the same reason that there are two votes on jmo right now and you're not joining.
And the reason why jmo is not concerned that someone "yessiree" just tried to kill him the night before, but didn't vote you.

I think you tried to bus jmo.

Because jmo is likely scum.

(If this is true, then I'm wrong on bjc and Tiershift.)

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:09 am

In post 1602, bjc wrote:
In post 1598, Tammy wrote:
In post 1596, bjc wrote:geraintm
Why him?
Because I mixed up the watcher role with the tracker and didn't realize it until it was too late.

Why the oops? What were you trying to do?

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:55 am

In post 1620, uctriton00 wrote:Because jmo is likely scum.

I just wrote this earlier today and it sounds completely idiotic. Why propose a wagon on another scum buddy when it's on your current scum buddy?

Disregard that statement I wrote.

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:03 am

I've mulled about this for a bit. I'm really bothered at the attack on Nacho both last game night and this game morning.

That was not a bus. Why would Nacho (a good player), take out a teammate who had no real heat on him, and was a powerful PR on his own side? That makes no sense.

Pisskop I've been happy with his play, and I don't suspect him.
Bulba, I've had a town read, especially with how his thoughts progress with mine (if it's scum buddying me, then it's damn good buddying).
Yessiree though?

Yessiree you've backtracked on your IQ 30 comment (too lazy to link but you just said "look I wasn't really into the game back then"), which sounds odd because you were really adamant about your feelings about it.

Yessiree you also just now asked pisskop "are there any other scumreads you'd want to go after?". To me it seems like you're trying to buddy up here.

And you know very well my argument of how I just don't see the connection of how you flowed hard into jmo death city, saw a sixt claim, and then jumped onto the nacho kill wagon. How did sixt claiming all of a sudden make it not desirable to kill jmo? And now tie it into your motivations this morning; you went back to a nacho motivation "convinced it was a bus". But you left it again, to go back to jmo?

You also had this post recently: "If I was scum, I would have kept pushing your lynch yesterday, which I DID NOT choose to do". Here's where your problem is:

Yessiree you think you're town for pushing a wagon but not pushing it all the way? This is only true, if you or anyone knows what alignment jmo is. Remember, we don't know what he is. He could be scum. If he is scum, do you want scum-cred for not pushing the wagon?

It seems like you want to buy town-cred by saying you didn't push jmo off a cliff... which implies he is town (which is only something a scum player could know). And if you want to imply he's town.... but... you're voting him? You're voting a townie?

Vote stays on yessiree.

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:16 am

In post 1602, bjc wrote:
In post 1598, Tammy wrote:
In post 1596, bjc wrote:geraintm
Why him?
Because I mixed up the watcher role with the tracker and didn't realize it until it was too late.

Spoiler: Fluff Post: Open 542 Basketball Game continued

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:20 am

In post 1674, Bulbazak wrote:and there was nothing that pointed to him being scum.

Bulba did you not read anything I wrote about sixt that day?

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:25 am

I don't even know why we're going into this again but here you go:

In post 1413, uctriton00 wrote:That's what I got from doing his ISO. His posts, if anything, are either fluff, or information over analysis. i see way too little on analysis. The only times he made analysis are after I prodded into him.

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:08 am

In post 1610, yessiree wrote:look uctriton, that post I made about nacho with the IQ below 30 stuff is when I haven't actually read the thread, I was still catching up

using that to frame me is just pure bs

What are you implying in this post? That "Nacho's case is BS because the scum team would need an IQ of 30" was not genuine at all? Because right now you are saying that it IS a genuine case.

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:10 am

In post 1705, Bulbazak wrote:I've reevaluated.

Unvote

Pisskop, why did you want Universal Backup?

Just so I don't get lost in your little side conversation here but where was this mentioned that someone is a universal backup?

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:37 am

In post 1711, yessiree wrote:I DID NOT backtrack. Nacho's case on gaiden was shit and it's still shit. What are you talking about here?

The backtracking I saw was that when you saw the Nacho-vs-Gaiden case the first time, you said it was bad, but apparently not bad enough as jmo's scumminess, and when I called you out on it, you said "eh I wasn't really caught up at that point". And now, Day 3 morning, Nacho's case was bad enough, combined with his apparent bussing.

And now Nacho isn't as bad as jmo because now jmo is apparently more scummier. That's what confused me as a backtrack on how "bad" you are gauging the Nacho-vs-Gaiden case.

Going to mull again on this for a while.

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:22 am

In post 1710, Bulbazak wrote:I think you were trying to get role cop, and someone higher up stopped you. Yours is also the vote I like the least on the initial Gaiden wagon.

Bulba, how did you infer this?

He said he tried to get universal backup --> he tried to get role cop?

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:30 am

In post 1789, Bulbazak wrote:found out that someone above him in the draft took universal backup

Where did that part happen?

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:38 am

Well yeah but I mean you're saying that he knows of the UB. How would he know if someone didn't actually take RC?

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:47 am

Bulba why wouldn't RC be pro-town? It can be used to vet people's roles and see if they're lying, etc

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:14 pm

lol @ how now jmo is again flying away from being the top lynch. "you're lucky there are people worse than you!" says yessiree. "but yeah you're so dead, after we kill these other people. so like, you know, be scared..... BOO!"

Yes I know you have a scum read on him and you're voting another scum read and that I should know that because I do the same thing and yadda yadda yadda etc.

Anyway, pisskop,
when you said: "we'll see when the town gets back", what are you implying with that statement?

uctriton00 · Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:43 pm

In post 1825, geraintm wrote:Like really disliking parts of yessir and then letting him off for other things he did.

I really don't think he was as committed to a jmo lynch as he wanted to seem, which is suspicious as hell, so that's the part I dislike, but unless I typoed somewhere, where did I let him off for something?

uctriton00 · Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:08 am

Pisskop can you summarize your reads

uctriton00 · Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:05 pm

@Mod Will be back Sunday

ok

uctriton00 · Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:37 pm

Hahahaa this new server they moved to ******* sucks ass

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:58 am

Anyway to recap what I did after my reread,

I'm getting a gut VI vibe from pisskop
yessiree's case on pisskop wasn't complete **** and had genuine questions and engagements (not something scum would give a damn about)
Their backing off of each other gives me a town v town vibe like two rams butting heads with each other and then thinking this is a waste
I looked at why yessiree started on pisskop and saw it was bjc who did it before him
yessiree said it was actually bulba

now i'm kinda suspicious of both bulba and bjc

and that's where i left off, because i was trying to think the scum motivation in bulba's outing of himself

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:02 am

meanwhile back on bjc, back to my classic argument,

has bjc actually ever done anything in this game? it's either:
- someone tell me who to vote
- i'm busy it's hard to catch up
- triton you are **** your logic is **** you are bad
- other person who votes me, you are **** your logic is **** you are bad
- standing behind yessiree's shoulder as he pecks at pisskop with little pebbles during the whole yessiree v pisskop debate

so my question to everyone (because bjc is going to come in and say i'm full of ****)
*** Has bjc actually done anything this game other than slide around? It looks a LOT LIKE gaiden's play actually, and for you who were maybe sold in jmo scum, is bjc any different from jmo?

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:05 am

Maybe in general we can ask, what's people's reads on BJC?

It was ger I think who gave BJC a town read because "well he watched me because he thought he would be tracking me so that's genuine!", and that's all I can remember off the top of my head as to why anyone thinks he is town

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:09 am

see there we go though, "feels genuine".

When i get a gut read that gives me "genuineness", I put myself in their shoes and see if I can see myself saying/doing those things as a town. Heck I did it to get a read on you, yessiree.

Other people I didn't get the read. I didn't get it from SXLT, and I am not getting it from BJC right now, especially after studying how he just sat behind your shoulder yessiree, and spent a handful of posts just pecking away and egging on pisskop.

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:31 am

In post 2092, yessiree wrote:so it shouldn't come as a surprise for you he would "set behind my shoulder" to peck away at pissko

Were there key questions or analysis BJC was doing, or was it more "yeah you're scummy" to everything he said?

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:36 am

In post 2108, bjc wrote:If you want to policy lynch me, then policy lynch me. Crown my ass!

lol

But really I get wanting to policy lynch me. (Triton is already beginning the process)

I'm trying to be reasonable. I want to know your reads/feelings on the game, because most of it centers around defending against me and doing a Pisskop wagon, but I'm not finding much else. You've spent much of the time asking to be told what to do. What are your other opinions?

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:39 am

Tammy what is your problem with me? What do you want me to do, because as far as I can tell I've tried to avoid wasting posts and have slowed my tone.

If you're going to auto ignore me then tell me what the heck you want me to do because that will end up being anti town if all you do is complain but not try to mend the situation.

(Is this Omgus for scum reading that post you made about "well I read TS before entering!" Because you'll need to link me to people who also do that before I apologize to your smitten self)

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:01 pm

Nobody is going to be mass claiming, because there are no guarantees in this game. Like stated in the rules, let's say everyone went and chose Neighborizer, that means there would be one neighborizer, and then zero other things. If we have PRs on our town side, we don't want scum to know who/where they are.

Second, bjc, you have a read on pisskop (which was made mostly on day 1) and an omgus on me (which was also made mostly on day 1), but since then you haven't said much of anything, and your only content has been more defensiveness (and a push on pisskop again). Where's the rest of your content?

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:40 pm

Bulba how did you come up with your very first sentence, of "well we have one in the 4s, and then one not in the 4s". You logicked out why two might not be in the 4s, but do you take into account maybe none are in the 4s/

In post 2147, Bulbazak wrote:It stopped being funny awhile ago, and it's cluttering up the thread.

I didn't know putting things in a spoiler tag cluttered your precious computer screen.

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:44 pm

Disregard that; I didn't read your second paragraph yet..... ok now I'm done reading.

I think there is definitely scum on the bus, with one on and one off.

Actual question though: how do you keep getting the insistence that pisskop tried to get role cop (and using that as a scum motivation)? He said he tried UB, and you said no, you got UB in fact. Isn't that a contradiction

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:04 pm

In post 2151, pisskop wrote:are you scumreading Bulbazak?

Not sure right now

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:06 pm

Actually this is now turning pretty petty as bjc is now dodging and his activity on the site is conducive to dodging

Vote: bjc

uctriton00 · Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:12 pm

@ Gerantium

You're one of the strong town reads of bjc, and your case is mostly based on him saying "well i thought watching meant tracking". Can you explain how you got that to be a genuine town read of him?

uctriton00 · Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:50 pm

In post 2173, Tammy wrote:I'm willing to lynch both jmo and bjc ATM though.

I'm not opposed to this sentence

uctriton00 · Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:57 pm

with bjc, I can sum it up (again) after however many weeks this accursed game has gone on:

1. Celebloki looked bad (this part is a Nacho sheep basically)
2. bjc has been very inactive
3. after he claimed his power, he says he'll use it when he wants
4. he says he used it, but messed up on it
5. is not hunting at all
6. is active elsewhere on the site

uctriton00 · Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:29 am

@ Mod when is deadline

because that's the only time people care about this game

uctriton00 · Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:42 am

In post 2202, geraintm wrote:
vote not science

Yeah, hundreds of posts elsewhere on the site. Needs lynching

Sounds like bjc actually, but why not vote bjc

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:15 am

In post 2175, uctriton00 wrote:with bjc, I can sum it up (again) after however many weeks this accursed game has gone on:

1. Celebloki looked bad (this part is a Nacho sheep basically)
2. bjc has been very inactive
3. after he claimed his power, he says he'll use it when he wants
4. he says he used it, but messed up on it
5. is not hunting at all
6. is active elsewhere on the site
7. a "4" member, meaning it could very well have been a fake claim, while being near the bottom of the picking order

Included #7, which is another point I had.

We are incredibly divided; the game looks like we're all having different side conversations with each other in the threads, which is disorganized and likely the reason why there are votes spread around so badly.

It's been an incredibly slow few days so if everyone can help summarize what you're doing / what you want, that will at least help us get focused and get the game rolling again.

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:05 am

So let's clarify it then, Bulba, to make sure, of the facts.

- Bulba makes a pick, asks for UB
- Bulba gets UB
- Throughout day 1, you decided to say "yeah I got nothing I was a VT i was VLA"
- You end up taking Dr Cirno's neighbor ability
- You put Nacho in it
- Nacho confirmed that he is in the neighbor and it was you

If anything is off so far, let me know

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:00 am

Ok, so let's continue with that train of thought: do you think you survived Night 1 because of that fake claim?

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:10 am

Do you then buy the idea that the N1 kill on Cirno was a power hunt?

Let's go back to the D2 argument from Nacho,

Bulba = skip, he said vt
gaiden = ?
tier = ?
cirno = kill

Thus, it concludes that gaiden is pretty much scum?

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:01 am

In post 2236, Bulbazak wrote:In fact, the first thing I asked him last night was why he focused on Gaiden, yet ignored Tier, who was also skipped over.

Nacho confirm this statement please.

And Bulba, Gaiden was the first person skipped over (tier was second), wouldn't you be suspicious of the first person?

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:02 am

In post 2239, pisskop wrote:Utrit, if that was your point - you were taking too long.

Not exactly; but I want to vet this case against Bulba because there's some missing pieces in the logic here

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:22 pm

Bulba, so do you think Nacho is a town read? Why did you neighbor him

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:58 pm

So you decided to neighbor nacho after your gut told you he wouldn't have been bold enough to try to lynch Gaiden like that the night before?

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:51 am

Hmmmm, damn.

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:57 am

Gotta mull about this, I think I might be wrong about how the Gaiden wagon worked.

Bubla how does the UB work? If Cirno died, did you just get a completely empty "neighborhood" QT? Nothing we could use from anything Cirno said?

Also when do you get to invite people into it? This could help us use it to POE

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:59 am

In other words did you get the link to the topic the morning of day 2 with nobody in it at that point?

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:47 am

In post 2260, Bulbazak wrote:I can invite 1 person every night.

So you invited Nacho on Night 2?

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:53 am

1. No I did not read anything you wrote, I put everything you say on ignore har har har
2. I was suspicious of:

Bulba -> Nacho is town so I neighborized him after he voted Gaiden
Nacho -> I was neighborized, now let's vote Gaiden

See what I thought was suspicious from that timeline?

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:02 pm

I was looking for a Bulba lie. Because if I was right, how can Bulba neighborize Nacho on the basis that he lynched Gaiden, when Nacho said he was already neighborized before he started the Gaiden vote?

The way I imagine it could have possibly gone is:
D1 = Game start, Cirno has neighbor topic alone
N1 = Cirno submits Nacho
D2 = Cirno dies, Nacho has link to topic, Bulba now has link to topic
N2 = Bulba submits Nacho's name again, even though Nacho is already in the topic? what?

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:50 pm

In post 2291, Tammy wrote:Bulba explained that he didn't get the neighborhood qt that nacho had with Cirno. He neighborized Nacho on night two.

I wonder if this is something we can vet using with the moderator and still be within site rules.

@Mod, there is no quoting of PMs allowed, but can we ask you
"When you sent out the Universal backup result to Bulbazak, did you include a link to the previous quicktopic?"

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:12 pm

Here's the thing though

Bulba voluntarily said "yeah I'm the UB"

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:12 pm

What's the scum play in that?

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:35 pm

Bulba's vote history if I'm right is

bjc
ger
pisskop
Tier
Nacho

I'm already town reading ger and pisskop and Nacho.

Fudge man.

Vote: Bulbazak

The below spoiler is not humor related fluff, but is just a personal vendetta I have on this site with a certain user

Spoiler: Non-game related, but pisskop's mention of 516 reminds me that Venrob is a bad moderator

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:42 pm

Will be on later tonight too, but won't be here in time for the Friday morning AM deadline.

We need to discuss the **** out of this Bulba wagon. Everyone read up on the last 2 pages please (even you bjc)

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:10 pm

This unwillingness to go bulb for some people is starting to worry me

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:04 pm

The setup spec is not noise, Tammy. Me and Bulba have different views on how the setup occured.

If I was moderating (shameless plug, hopefully my next game comes April), I would do the neighbor like this:
D1 morning = Cirno learns he is a neighborizer, PM has the neighborhood link
D1 day = Cirno can talk in the neighborhood all he wants, he's alone though
N1 night = Cirno submits "Nacho"
D2 morning = Cirno gets death PM; Nacho gets PM "welcome to this neighborhood" with the neighborhood link, Bulba gets PM "you are now neighborizer, here is the link to the neighborhood"
D2 day = neighborhood contains both Nacho and Bulba

Here is what Bulba and essentially Nacho are saying:
D1 morning = Cirno learns he is a neighborizer, PM has the neighborhood link
D1 day = Cirno can talk in the neighborhood all he wants, he's alone though
N1 night = Cirno submits "Nacho"
D2 morning = Cirno gets death PM; Nacho gets PM "welcome to this neighborhood" with the neighborhood link, Bulba gets PM "you are now a neighbor" but

without

link to topic
D2 day = neighborhood contains only Nacho
N2 night = Bulba submits "Nacho"
D3 day = Nacho gets PM "welcome to this neighborhood...again" with the neighborhood link. Bulba says "hey what's up, why did you not suspect Tier, blah blah blah"

The problem I have with the second timeline, is up there on D2, I think the mod would have given Bulba a PM with the topic link.

Here's what spurned my vote:
- Pisskop pointing out that a previous version of this game, where Mafia won, had the Universal Backup
- Bulba's insistent point that ANYONE WITH UB = TOWN!

Here's what I've been mulling about for many, many hours and even right now I still haven't cracked it yet:
- Why would Bulba lie about his own setup spec?
- Why would Bulba admit he's a neighborizer when nobody prodded him to?

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:20 pm

Unvote

So Tammy what do you have? Tell me what we can to do for today.

That is unless you haven't been here for a while and you have nothing of value to contribute, other than to comment on what other people have been saying.

shotsfired.gif

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:22 pm

Take me and pisskop and bulba responding and you have what, 6 posts by 6 players in 6 days. So devilish. At least we're all trying to figure each other out.

So other than complaining about everyone, point us in the direction oh great wise one.

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:23 pm

*Take me and pisskop and bulba responding out,

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:30 pm

If you haven't noticed, I'm getting real tired of people in this game complaining "man this isn't going anywhere" while not actively trying to at least figure each other out.

I'm not touching Bulba nor Pisskop today, nor Tammy, nor Nacho, nor Ger, nor Yessiree, nor Notscience, so yes that leaves me to jmo and bjc.

bjc = done less work, flippant attitude
jmo = done more work in my opinion, but says some scummy things (I didn't like "I get to play" either)

Taking bjc to be scum is extremely easy for me (taking in all the points I have).
Taking bjc to be town, would probably go under "I'm a VT, i have nothing useful, I don't care about this game, I have no emotional investment since I replaced in anyway"
Taking jmo to be scum would be the older case of that lull I found in his ISO, and then taking some of his posts which seem scummy.
Taking jmo to be town would mean that people who tried to quick kill him on D2 were probably scum trying to save Gaiden.

Ugh, I think I'd much rather go jmo at this point too.

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:31 pm

*VT after he lost his 1 shot watch of course

uctriton00 · Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:38 am

Vote: jmo

uctriton00 · Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:21 am

I don't think we have time for town PLs at this rate but yes he needs to be replaced

uctriton00 · Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:38 pm

No can you vig the moderator instead

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:47 pm

Didn't read the last few pages, but vig is freaking awesome.

7 on 1, we can claim.

I went for Fruit Vendor and got denied.

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:48 am

Back; work has sucked

1. Bulba neighborized me (it comes with 1 message from the mod saying this is your neighborhood, and a message from Bulba saying it took forever, and a prod from Bulba)
2. I find it extremely weird/suspicious/POSTURABLE that Bulba is suggesting that I keep quiet for any reason. It's 7 on 1 and anything you want to say to me in that neighbor topic can be said to me here in this topic.

That, in alone of itself, is extremely weird, dude. Why would you want to keep anything you say to me private?

Deciding whether to vote Bulba or JMO today, the rest of the game is locked, don't see how we can lose.

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:54 am

And I seriously did oversleep yesterday I didn't mean to not vote, my bad

Although there are a few others who could have stepped in anyway, sheesh guys

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:07 pm

I'd rather do jmo, reading the ger iso there seems to be too much interaction between ger and bulba, I'd venture to think scum would prefer to distance themselves from each other

Vote: jmo

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:17 pm

In post 2539, pisskop wrote:That said I'd rather just lynch from this list until we win:

jmo. nacho, bulbazak.

That means we'd leave out

me
you
tammy
notscience
bjc

i vote yay on that

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:17 pm

In post 2544, Bulbazak wrote:My intent was to keep scum guessing on something.

Bulba please explain this thought process, it sounds like something you completely made up

uctriton00 · Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:52 am

In post 2551, Bulbazak wrote:I was afraid that my neighbor might be a target if it was known who he was, so I wanted to keep that secret.

Morning of Day 4 (which is now), how would hiding who your neighbor was be helpful/pro-town/useful at all? I don't get what you're asserting. "Keep em guessing?" Guessing on what? Scum knows they're scum, scum knows Bulba is neighbor, scum knows everyone not themselves is town, what else is there to figure out?

My assertion on you right now is that you're actually scum, and were trying to make yourself seem like "i'm a useful tool, I have hidden info, guys don't mess with me"

In post 2551, Bulbazak wrote:However, it occurred to me after I said it that scum could figure out my new neighbor anyway via PoE.

How does scum go about figuring out your new neighbor?

uctriton00 · Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:00 am

In post 2552, notscience wrote:Can I see where everyone's reads are at please?

right now I think bulba is being as weird as **** and jmo's attitude today (combined with when I lined him up vs bjc yesterday) is also suspicious as ****

jmo, today you are asking "anyone have any town reads on nacho? i don't like him" yet you don't even present a case on him yourself. It didn't go "someone here is scum because A B C and D; can someone disprove this or tell me otherwise why not".

The way it's going, this sounds like an attempt to latch onto someone's logic. It can go like:

I think this person is town --> jmo = hmmm you convinced me!
I think this person is scum --> jmo = yeah see I thought the same thing too!

TLDR this seems rather baseless for you to do that. I.e. last scum standing flailing.

Then again if you're flailing then Bulba is dead and I really don't see how we lose this game, it's going to be either one of you two.

uctriton00 · Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:05 am

In post 2611, Bulbazak wrote:Second, I've been neighborizing those that I have strong townreads on. Common sense tells you that they're likely to die soon.

You're playing this like you're assuming that:
1. The neighborizer is town
2. The neighboree is town

You should know by now that you're supposed to be throwing all alignment indications out the window.

At this rate I think you're trying to give out warm and fuzzy feelings to people.

uctriton00 · Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:28 am

actually i'm going to take back all my town reads

1 v 7 scum, saki i hate you

uctriton00 · Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:32 am

In post 2610, Tammy wrote:VOTE: jmo

what happened?

uctriton00 · Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:02 pm

In post 2616, Bulbazak wrote:So you ask me a question, I do my best to explain my answer, and then you berate me for said answer? Why did you ask the question in the first place?

I asked and you answered; I had no further questions, it's you and me coming to a standstill in your choice of play today. The only thing berating that's coming from me is that I find it suspicious and not-normal.

uctriton00 · Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:37 am

B j c just vote
I thought you just wanted this game to be over with
Why are you not voting

uctriton00 · Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:34 am

In post 2638, bjc wrote:triton who should I vote daaaawggggggg?

Why do you actively play in what, 4 other games, but not this one?

uctriton00 · Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:57 am

Just a random thought; we shouldn't be saying who our town blocs are, it'll most likely be a roadmap in case the bloc is wrong for scum to finish off us off (especially since we don't have a JK to help push things along).

In post 2519, notscience wrote:I just realized something

I have a townbloc

I actually do too, but it's not large enough to make this game gg (a town block requires at least 4 people for us to win this game by default and so far all I have is 3, one of them being me).

But as far as my scum block goes, I'm liking jmo.

uctriton00 · Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:59 am

Yes neighborhoods are active in the day, and I still don't think they're useful at all at this point (or even at all in this particular game) since this game is alignment independent. Masons? Yes, that's useful because you're confirming towns.

So I agree, anything in the neighborhood can be said in public, it will make no difference.

uctriton00 · Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:29 pm

In post 2660, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 2653, Nachomamma8 wrote:When I was like "how so?", I was sort of hoping you could explain the similarities you were seeing.
His posts just have the same general sort of feel. Like I said, it may just be playstyle.

In post 2656, uctriton00 wrote: So I agree, anything in the neighborhood can be said in public, it will make no difference.
I want Nacho to explain the difference between town and scum Pisskop. If he does it in thread, instead of in the neighborhood, Pisskop could then change his meta in future games, which would make the point of trying to understand his scum game moot.

Why are you so obsessed with future games, and not with trying to win THIS game? Do you plan on playing with/against Pisskop every day?

uctriton00 · Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:27 pm

This game is boring

uctriton00 · Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:29 pm

If we somehow are wrong I hope Tammy is scum and wins this game because I can't wait to have the new scum success meta be to waffle for a week while everyone else is pretty much done with the game, and make all the players apathetic as ****

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:49 am

In post 2701, jmo16mla wrote:If we do end up winning this game, bjc should be banned from taking ANY credit.

scum slip on bjc being town imo

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:50 am

Bulba what is your hesitation based on

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:51 am

Same thing to Tammy too

uctriton00 · Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:43 am

In post 2709, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 2707, uctriton00 wrote:Bulba what is your hesitation based on
Jmo's vote on the Gaiden wagon. That's not scum bussing a buddy. In order to even argue that, you'd have to argue that he saw Nacho's vote (which came right before his and was still early on the wagon) as a sign that a Gaiden lynch was inevitable. I seriously doubt Jmo-scum would think that was the case. Bjc would more likely be scum on the wagon, just because he joined at the point when the wagon was running away, and a Gaiden lynch seemed like a foregone conclusion. Heck, he even attacked those off the wagon, even though he never stated reasons for being on it in the first case.

Screw it.

Unvote

Vote Bjc

Logic trumps paranoia.

Why would Bulba town try this hard to stop a L-1 ML? Bulba is town, or either a good scum so I'm going with the odds of him being town.

vote: bjc

uctriton00 · Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:36 am

i can do POE at this point

Bulba = didn't push the ML onto JMO, I don't buy him as scum delaying the deadline as much as he did, in addition to providing an actual analysis (where he does the analysis of jmo's vote wagon)
Pisskop = the amount of work he did researching both the previous game roles (as to who picked what) is enough of a town read for me
notscience = would not waste a night ability vigging his own teammate (we know that it's possible to still do it, but still not worth doing in my opinion. not going to try to overthink it IMO)
nacho = would not purposely shine a light onto gaiden for a purposeful bus.

I have it down to BJC and that's pretty much it that I have, as I have town reads everywhere else.

uctriton00 · Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:41 am

In post 2737, bjc wrote:Sigh. How many times are you going to try this only to stop and go after someone else?

You know I'm town. Bad town, but still town. Stop with this crap and let's try to get this game over with.

1. how many times have I been either the only vote on you, or a stagnant ass vote on you? i think about 3 times this game I can picture myself vocally expressing my doubts about you and either i'm talking to thin air, or people just say "cool case" but move on

2. you need to at least be thinking that i'm scum then if you're so sure you see me trying to constantly get you killed

this actually reminds me of a scum game (maybe not science was in it?) when i was scum tunneling on smudger, and kept talking about smudger this smudger that, and he was fed up with me. you're too experienced of a player (i see how much content you put in other games) to be all "nah you're town, you're just wrong, stop wasting time".

vote bjc, guys

uctriton00 · Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:49 am

Bjc what is it about Bulba that you have him as scum

uctriton00 · Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:58 am

i think i'm alright at it why

uctriton00 · Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:31 pm

Anyone else going to be online tomorrow to participate?

uctriton00 · Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:32 pm

I'll try to be on 12pm to 1pm lunch time and during downtime at work

uctriton00 · Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:16 am

Where have I heard bjc used the term "because reasons"?

Wait, it was in this game, and that scum game you linked.

And from reading that other game right now, he just seemed vague and defensive, which he does look like right here in this game. Being scum on day 1 that game, he tried to just play it all off. That reminds me of this game, where under pressure (I think he was being pressured by at least me before we flipped any scum?) where he just tried to play it all off. Confirmation bias, I think that he's starting to panic right now but is trying to maintain a "cooler head".

uctriton00 · Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:18 am

BJC scum game

In post 25, bjc wrote:
In post 21, Sakura Hana wrote:Why?

In post 24, vonflare wrote:
In post 14, bjc wrote:
vote: vonflare
for fun.
why am I more fun than anyone else?
Because reasons.

BJC this game

In post 2643, bjc wrote:Because reasons.

uctriton00 · Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:37 am

bjc i don't understand, why, you actively replaced into the game, and decided to not really participate in it. If you're a replacement, aren't you actively "looking for a game to get yourself into?"

Your activity in other games has shown so much more effort and what not.

uctriton00 · Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:39 am

my vote on you is based on,

1. POE
2. Trusting Nacho's read on Celebloki
3. My gut on your site activity
4. Your "silliness" as you say "YO DAWG WHO SHOULD I VOTE FOR" is anti town and should not be rewarded with you being alive

uctriton00 · Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:48 am

Also, your voting history

The only vote you have (assuming I have a town read on pisskop but **** I had a town read on ger so what do I know?) on any confirmed scum was one on Gaiden, the rest of the time you've been voting townies. The Gaiden vote was also not very backed up for any reason.

In post 2770, bjc wrote:No they haven't. Not the last two weeks.

When I click on your name to see your post activity, I see,

[our game]
[other game] [other game] [other game] [other game] [other game]
[our game]
[other game] [other game] [other game] [other game] [other game] [other game] [other game] [other game] [other game] [other game] [other game] [other game]
[our game]

We've beat this point forever with your claims of "well I replaced into this one so it's hard to get into it!" but you actively chose to replace in, so it's not much of an excuse. Nobody "made" you play.

PEDIT: Your content is always much better in other games than this one. I can't help but think you're hiding something.

uctriton00 · Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:51 am

In post 2770, bjc wrote:Deep inside you know my flip will be green.

I never really have feelings of anyone being strongly unlynchable in Mafia. Not even this game included.

uctriton00 · Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:01 am

Can we go back to the ger moment you had, where you said you intended to watch him

Why did you choose ger? What was it about him

uctriton00 · Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:09 am

In post 2779, bjc wrote:I had a feeling he was scum. I don't know why that hard to believe. It was gut.

I didn't say it was hard to believe. I'm just asking for what you thought in your head. If anything, the only person who had real angst against him was maybe Pisskop who you hated with fire.

Why not Pisskop?

uctriton00 · Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:39 pm

I don't agree with your Bulba vote.

My case is that jmo flipping town is that Bulba-scum would have tried to push the ML anyway.

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:20 am

/thumbtwiddle

so is anyone else going to vote/do anything?

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:39 am

I honestly don't see anyone else worthy of one. I think this game is pretty much settled.

I've chosen you as my candidate for today for reasons.
You've chosen bulba for reasons.

There are 4 other people in this game, where is all the input/reading?

uctriton00 · Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:40 am

Everyone has been gone for a long ass time, and pisskop needs a prod too.

uctriton00 · Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:48 am

notscience Feb 05, 10:06am Mar 25, 11:32am 1 day 21 hours 61
Bulbazak Jan 18, 08:05pm Mar 24, 10:34pm 2 days 10 hours 227
Nachomamma8 Jan 17, 04:04pm Mar 23, 03:26pm 3 days 17 hours 162
pisskop Jan 16, 02:08pm Mar 22, 09:38am 4 days 23 hours 587

uctriton00 · Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:31 am

I.... wow. MVP if that's exactly the right read

uctriton00 · Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:15 am

In post 2810, bjc wrote:This game needs to end now.

uctriton00 · Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:18 am

Vote: Bulbazak

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:50 am

My town read on Bulba was based on not wanting jmo dead.

But damn, that's tricky. How did we all miss on that jmo, where you have an outlier saying "it's definitely not jmo, we're wasting our time guys".

And so far you're losing the debate between him/you. Either you're town and are getting outplayed by bjc, or you're scum trying to keep a handle on things at L-1.

Like what kind of sentence is that, "let's assume i'm not scum and you're not scum, who's scum?". That doesn't vibe with me.

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:50 am

*How did we all miss on that jmo town read, where we have an outlier (Bulba) saying "it's definitely not jmo, we're wasting our time guys"

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:44 pm

I added something in it for you

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:13 pm

hey look nacho has a hammer

that's comforting

uctriton00 · Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:02 am

Bulbazak, to the batcave!

uctriton00 · Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:11 am

mama
just lynched a man
put a hammer against his head
placed a vote and now he's dead

Vote: bjc

uctriton00 · Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:44 pm

<3 you LlamaFluff

</3 you Saki unless you have a legitimate reason

uctriton00 · Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:45 pm

Vote: No Lynch

uctriton00 · Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:03 pm

uctriton00 · Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:14 pm

Unvote: No Lynch

I was hoping to help myself by getting rid of my suspects

uctriton00 · Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:14 pm

it'd be moot if I died but at least I can talk during a twilight phase

uctriton00 · Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:05 am

In post 2884, Saki wrote:I apologize for the short absence, I hurt my leg and couldn't post in the mayhem that followed.
Sorry for the disturbance and thank you Llama for covering for me

boo-urns

uctriton00 · Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:10 am

In post 2888, Bulbazak wrote:If you don't know why, go to d3 and read my posts.

If you could just summarize that'd be great

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:28 am

bulba is claiming vla until thursday
nacho plays primarly on weekends
zzz

uctriton00 · Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:15 am

In post 2901, Bulbazak wrote:On d3, Ger slipped knowledge of the existence of my neighborhood with Nacho.

Show us that

uctriton00 · Wed Apr 16, 2014 7:28 pm

In post 2903, Nachomamma8 wrote:You think I didn't kill Tammy because I thought you would neighborize her?

Oooo slip imo.

sorry I'm just giddy. Please continue, Bulba.

uctriton00 · Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:10 pm

In post 2906, Bulbazak wrote:How does that make you less likely to be partners? If I recall, you wanted me to neighborize Tammy, because you thought that she'd be in the same neighborhood as us. You didn't know any better until I asked the mod during the night and informed you otherwise.

TBH this is a fantastic question

uctriton00 · Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:01 am

Hammer time I win

uctriton00 · Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:01 am

Just kidding I'm town

uctriton00 · Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:11 am

we've each posted in the past 13 hours

plus this is the end of the game i'm going to need to think about this for a while too

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:58 am

Nacho, question

In post 1068, Nachomamma8 wrote:Bulbazak (5) --> claimed VT
SXTLHGaiden (6) ---> ???
TierShift (8) ---> ???
DrCirno (13) ---> killed

so in the wonderfulness that is pick your power, scum is either going to a) kill people who are threats to them during day play, or b) PR hunt. I don't know if any of you think that DrCirno was killed based on being a threat day play wise, but if you do, you're probably smoking crack. That means they were PR hunting, meaning that they are basically going down the draft list. Cirno was surpassed by two different players as the kill, and it's probably because one of the two people between Bulbazak and Cirno are scum (since only one could be blocked). I don't remember a single thing Gaiden's posted this game so he seems like a fucking fine place to start.

So then we got Gaiden out of that.

Did you try to go after TierShift next?

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:58 am

In post 2924, Bulbazak wrote:I also have a theory on why Cirno was killed, and it has to do with the way that Saki has not been consistent in giving access to neighborhoods. For instance, Nacho and I had access to our neighborhood during n2, but Saki didn't give Triton and I access to our neighborhood until after n3 was over. I wonder if she gave Cirno and Nacho access to the neighborhood n1, which would explain Nacho knowing that Cirno was an alt, and Cirno figured out that Nacho was scum during the night.

Did this really happen?

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:37 pm

burning why is it not nacho

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:06 pm

What are you talking about, hammered who for the win?

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:16 pm

can i put a vote on nacho, and then leave it there for like an hour until I get back, and you not hammer, so I have trust that you're not a QH scum, that'd be comforting. Because then we can rapport.

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:19 pm

Vote: Nachomamma8

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:20 pm

the bright side is that if you're scum, then

1. i never would have suspected it anyway
2. pisskop played an A+ game to win

going to run errands but will be back in 2 hours to talk about why I actually think it may be nacho

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:44 pm

unvote

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:41 pm

I am going to be real.

I have no idea who to trust, you both have good arguments.

But Bulbazak has put in a metric ton of work into this game and he deserves some kind of victory. Gladly willing to give it to him.

Vote: Nachomamma8

Up to you Bulba if you want to flip your card over or not, or let the mod handle it. Given Saki's track record, we may be waiting another 10 days lol

jk Saki

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:43 pm

Nacho's biggest town read for me was killing off Gaiden (who had a PR).

If I hadn't seen Nacho immediately kill one of his teammates before, I would never be making this vote.

But I'm impressed with Bulba's constant, constant attacking of Nacho today, and Nacho does seem to be on the total defense. If I'm ever forced to choose between offense and defense, I choose the more aggressive person.

uctriton00 · Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:46 pm

The town selling point for me was that Bulba choose the stupid universal backup.

Scum don't need a UB in my opinion. You go and try to kill off the "real" power roles by drafting them, not leaving it up to chance that it can backfire and other roles use them awesomely on night 1.

uctriton00 · Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:06 am

Open 542 After Party!!!

Spoiler: Bulba and Nacho

Spoiler: Triton and Burning

Spoiler: jmo and bjc

Spoiler: Tammy and notscience

uctriton00 · Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:07 pm

Things I messed up on

- Didn't ever think anyone actually read an ISO beforehand, like Tammy said she did
- Didn't think bjc actually got a role
- Didn't think bjc could actually misuse his role
- Thought no way any scum would eliminate their PR-holding partner
- Really did want to help ISO-down everyone in the game to help get an understanding of who's who, was getting frustrated at the lack of activity
- Totally whiffed on Ger
- Thought I'd be the only one drafting Fruit Vendor

Things I was right on
- Gaiden ISO ho
- Bulba being town
- Asking LlamaFluff to restart this game because the suspense was killing me

pour one out for pisskop who deserves to partake in this victory.

uctriton00 · Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:08 pm

- *Bulba being town only in the end, after numerous attempts of me trying to lynch him

uctriton00 · Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:47 pm

In post 2965, True Ogre wrote:sad I got killed without knowing Cirno's true identity

he flipped night 1, wut

uctriton00 · Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:34 am

how's your leg
:3

uctriton00 · Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:58 am

so why did we all want fruit vendor so much?

I did it because I wanted to try to draw away NKs and was going to claim doc and crap