Open 559:Diffusion of Power - Game Over!

[BoroPhil]

VOTE: burning crystal

only player I've played with and even then only half of you

[BoroPhil]

I hope not, it's disgusting.

Can't say I remember seeing a self-vote on day one before so that was odd. Bandwagoning more likely to be scum than over-reaction.

[post=young and beaut]young and beaut[/post]

[BoroPhil]

ugh

VOTE: young and beaut

[BoroPhil]

I think you are all missing the crucial bit. none of those was particularly incriminating, ok bjc was odd, but the bandwagoning on it is what should stand out

[BoroPhil]

Has anyone ever seen a scumwagon form so quickly on day one? Balance of probability tells me salmanca is probably town, though their reaction was odd to say the least.

Don't particularly like insanity's 'fos' on salamanca, pretty sure everyone is looking at them with suspicion at the moment. I'm more inclined to think the people bandwagoning away on salamnaca are more scummy than he is.

what's a mentoring hydra? one partner does most of the work and the other observes?

[BoroPhil]

Salamanca was voting for himself after a fit of pique, so I don't think the unvote is indicative of anything. A lot of people are jumping on him for very little here.

[BoroPhil]

got to be scum in one of the people who voted for sala after he self-voted, so that's [Victor, insanity, doctor].

added to the FoS and the staggered time between that and vote, I'd say insanity is a good spot at the moment.

VOTE: insanity

[BoroPhil]

Was going to post waaayy earlier but my internet went out.

Has anyone ever seen a scumwagon form so quickly on day one? Balance of probability tells me salmanca is probably town, though their reaction was odd to say the least.

This is basically the reason I didn't put Salamence at L-1 when I had the chance. That being said...

Don't particularly like insanity's 'fos' on salamanca, pretty sure everyone is looking at them with suspicion at the moment. I'm more inclined to think the people bandwagoning away on salamnaca are more scummy than he is.

Ok, insanity is suspicious because she's not fully committing to Sal, but then you turn around and say the wagon is scummy? Doesn't that kind of behavior hint at the same kind of uncertainty you were talking about? I don't follow.

I do follow you, however, on how shitty it is for people to be pushing Salamence more for unvoting himself. Reinoe especially looks bad. That doesn't clear Sal IMO, though. My gut says Salamence was flailing, so it could always be powerbussing scum

tbh, it was more like I don't like 'fos' in general, if you find someone suspicious vote for them? and in this case, it looked like insanity was trying to sound like they were battling with whether sala was scum or not, but in actual fact was going to vote for them all along

[BoroPhil]

Do not misrepresent me, U SUX. At no stage have I tried to 'get something started' on BC. They are a town read. All I did was point out something that I found slightly odd and explained the two ways that I interpreted it.

U SUX

Sal is town because of #18 (has an opinion he sticks to), #46 (sticks to unpopular opinion) and #60 (again providing analysis with clear reasons) and #105 (clear explanation). Sal is not a player of many words.

I don't really agree with you about these posts being particularly town (or scummy for that matter). I like 180 though.

If Salamence is town, I think that one of Victor/Doctor is likely scum and

UNVOTE: VOTE: Victor

definitely seems off to me.

@ShadedMelee, thoughts on the game would be highly appreciated.

I guess it's not surprising that you pick the other 2 to target from the 3 I pointed out. why are they scum and you aren't?

[BoroPhil]

I would not be at all shocked to hear that people use v/la tactically.

[BoroPhil]

Sala does need to post some more. Ok, we think his spaz out was town, but that's not enough, you might actually want to contribute now?

bjc - I'm happy to go along with the idea that your self-voting could not possibly have come from scum, but a) your desire for rushing and b) your apparent certainty about scum gives me bad feelings.

why are we voting for elk?

and why aren't we voting for insanity?

[BoroPhil]

remind me why they've claimed scum? because they obviously haven't?

bjc - I'm happy to go along with the idea that your self-voting could not possibly have come from scum

how does that compute with '[prepping] a vote on [you]'?

I actually come from a site where deadlines are 2 days long max. and I appreciate having that bit longer, particularly on day one

[BoroPhil]

elk has made 6 posts, doc has made 8. looks to me like you are going after easy targets. the only one who has made as little is insanity, so I guess you could aim the same thing at me, but Insanity (and doc, Victor) jumped on the sala lynch so they strike me as the best targets.

so, if your conclusion was doc, I might agree, but why have we switched to elk? just because he hit on your early play? I think it's town, but lets face it, it isn't that obvious?

[BoroPhil]

yeah 255 is horrendous

Victor may be amazing, but surely no scum would be as arrogantly awful on day one as that. Sala - anything else to add?

[BoroPhil]

yeah, seriously Victor, if you genuinely are town you are taking the whole lazytown thing a bit too far. if you are town,

be

bothered.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Victor

[BoroPhil]

just for clarity, can someone sum up who the VIs are?

[BoroPhil]

that's two quite fast wagons we've had now that have accelerated for no real reason. I'm really struggling to see what is so bad as well about 278 especially as Y_and_B has essentially contributed nothing but fluff.

and anyone suggesting they are 'compromise' voting at this stage is just looking for an excuse to get a vote down on an easy wagon. we've got loads of time left. why not argue your case on U SUX more?

[BoroPhil]

bjc, did I miss the bit where you were confirmed as town?

SM's 323 is pretty much spot on. YB and Victor are a good top two - when I re-ISO YB it really is quite a leap from 176 when US has 'scumslipped' to 196 when they weren't 'ready to lay my life down'. when you add this to the sucking up to byc/Titus and now the bandwagoning, it's a good call.

YB - at 321 you say you have contributed your reads. where?

SM - would like to hear your thoughts on Insanity and Doctor though - they would be my 4 scummiest atm, with Insanity still out in front.

Don't like doc's 326 - only 2 scum reads which does smack of trying to play safe a bit, and then has the two of the three most active as townreads. trying to curry favour?

however, bjc's 330 in response turns into a pretty horrendous post - considering he is currently on a terrible wagon.

[BoroPhil]

Prod received, VLA lasted a bit longer than expected. Catching up now.

looking forward to this btw

[BoroPhil]

PTAP. Busy weekend, Far too much time focusing on football to play, so I'll be around either late tomorrow or Monday.

do you intend to be non-busy at any time during this game?

[BoroPhil]

so elk flags up bjc 'as a decent scum read' then votes for the one that bjc is pushing for? something doesn't add up here.

[BoroPhil]

bjc, if Doc flips town where do you go from there?

[BoroPhil]

I would think it would be harder for scum to claim in this setup as it would tie them down to a specific night which they might have to explain away at some point. I would imagine they would avoid claiming at all costs.

[BoroPhil]

Decisionz decisionzzzzz

I kinda want to lynch Sal anyways so we can look at the wagoners and pushers in more detail, buuuut some auxiliary scumminess has popped up around it and I wonder if town might be better served by jumping on that

For now my tentative lynchpool is:
Sal
reinoe
insanity
maaaaybe elk
maaaaybe Docthorr

We could

reaaaalllly

benefit from all players actually being here to give their angle on things.

@Mod: it seems you weren't counting Sal's self vote before he unvoted. Was that a mistake or are you a mod who doesn't count them?

New lynchpool:
elk
Victor
insanity
Docthorr

insanity just acquires a cleverer flavor of scumminess if we are thinking Sal probtown, her failed attempt at getting something started on BC indicative on not wanting to be on the easy wagon but not being able to find a scapegoat.

Unsure about reinoe, that interaction with Sal springboarding off of Doc's vote did seem scummy, but he rightly called Y&B out on his bullshit play of his own accord, and seemed genuinely interested in settling his differences with BC over Victor.

Dunno about Y&B themselves either.

SM is an empty slot that's hopefully getting filled soon

BoroPhil is null lean town, no major contributions from him yet

Officially in Hershey Kiss' pocket for D1.

Think that's everything I haven't explained.

before we speedlynch anyone can we see if we can work out who his partners are? I'd also like to hear from him first as well.

Sala went from scummy to probtown in the reads. although reinoe also moved. consistent scum reads on elk, insanity and doctor.

[BoroPhil]

that was my assumption. It doesn't actually make anyone conftown though, because if I was scum claiming N1 Cop is an easy way to take the pressure of yourself as you know you will probably have to claim at some point.

[BoroPhil]

Well townreads are
ShadedMelee
Young and Beautiful (assumed conftown)
Burning Crystal
bjc (probable conftown)

one from
[doctor, elk, insanity]

as I think Usux would have put one of hit buddies in his consistent scum reads. insanity would be my pick from them

which leaves

Salamence20
Hershey Kiss

Assuming sala is telling the truth, I'd say hershey.

everyone else?

[BoroPhil]

wtf was the point in hammering?

[BoroPhil]

in fact, the more I think about it, the more scummy that is. or just plain stupid. we have people who haven't posted who might have N1 information?

[BoroPhil]

Hershey, Doc, and BC all die and I'm pretty sure it's game over. I need to read D1 real quick to confirm.

I'm fine with the first two but why BC? Because they haven't agreed with you on everything?

If you said hershey, doc, insanity/elk I'd agree with you.

I still have lingering doubts over Sala, but he actually made a very good point at 485. Insanity's end of day posts made me feel a lot better about him as well.

Can we not hammer Hershey though until elk and doc actually get a chance to speak? They haven't posted in here for 6 real life days ffs.

[BoroPhil]

mod - v/La until Monday evening (23rd) UK time

[BoroPhil]

beats me. I feel like we are operating to 1-day deadlines and no-one has told me.

[BoroPhil]

If I was scum trying to stay alive I'd say I was Night 2 cop with a guilty

. But my role says I act on Night 4 and that's the truth and you'll know that when I'm dead.

Would scum really do that?

I think they would be more likely to pick a strong looking town player and 'clear' them - which is why I have lingering doubts on sala. The negative to scum is you effectively clear the other player one way or the other, though if they are obvtown that doesn't really matter. I'm not sure bjc is/was obvtown, but he's obviously very active.

Surely an even easier play would be to claim N1 or N2 doc. Then you could pick anyone and you wouldn't inadvertently clear anyone.

The worst scumplay would be to pick a future cop night - but it would be the most tempting play to them as it tries to give people a reason to keep them alive. Which is what I think you have done.

VOTE: Hershey

[BoroPhil]

I agree that Hershey's weasel half-claim is a little troubling. Why say you act on N4 if you're not going to claim whether you're a cop or a doc. Furthermore, claiming a Night 4 cop makes it difficult, though not impossible, that you will survive until then. After all, we don't know on what days the doctors will have protects.

Also, I just want to say that Day 2 came and went so very quickly. But I guess that's what happens when there's a claimed guilty result?

1 post in 2 days. what are your reads?

[BoroPhil]

BC - bjc has to be conftown doesn't he?

Sala cleared him, so either Sala and bjc are scum together or bjc is town. surely scum wouldn't run the risk of outing two of them like that?

Sala

could

be scum though - clear the most active town looking player and gain massive towncred. but again, I'm thinking that is surely a massive risk at that stage?

Having said all that, elk/doctor are good lynches today. Low on activity, and now elk puts in the faux concern about the quick days?

VOTE: elk

[BoroPhil]

where did Sal retract that?

[BoroPhil]

BoroPhil, why are you asking if bjc must be conftown?

There's no remaining cop clear on him so no, he does not. Sal revoked her claim to have checked bjc. I just explained WHY I pushed Sal there.

Sal could engage in that gambit for a multitude of reasons as either alignment. It needs more pressing.

Right now, this head is content to sit back for awhile and watch the wagons work.

~Titus

This head is VLA until Tuesday. My other head has carte blance to do whatever, but I will skype from time to time with him. Don't think you're sneaking ANYTHING past me.

because it's quite clear you want to go after him and I couldn't work out why considering he was conftown. which he obviously isn't now.

which changes things a lot - but more in sala's case than bjc's I would say

[BoroPhil]

I lost sight of him and went with the flow/got complacent. Who gives a shit?

This is a lie. You were the first one to put down a vote on Hershey.

I think that there is a good chance that at least one of bjc and Salamence is scum. Of the two, I still think that Salamence is more likely.

Salamence:

I cannot see the town motivation in faking that innocent on bjc.

Particularly when bjc was a constant null to scum read for him during Day 1. So, with this in mind, it makes no sense for town Salamence to do a complete 180 between days 1 and 2 and start sheeping bjc's reads.

Bjc: I'm uneasy about the way he is setting up lynches.

Lynch pool:Salamence/Doctorr/bjc

I also like this post, perhaps bar the lynch pool. I still think bjc is probably town but the fact he hasn't been cleared brings him right back into it. I'd still have elk ahead of bjc, but that's more for what he hasn't done rather than what he has done.

but the bolded is surely spot on - I was wondering if there was even less scum motivation in claiming then un-claiming, but of course the motivation is to put the pressure back on bjc.

overall, I'd say my read on insanity has flipped full circle in this game

[BoroPhil]

Fuck it

Request Replacement

Good luck town

and this is pathetic, town or scum.

[BoroPhil]

for the moment

UNVOTE:

[BoroPhil]

Elk - does sal really seem like the type that would replace out because of pressure?

Why not replace out early when he was put to L-1 (or before then, or even shortly after)? Those statistics related to newbie games do not apply here.

wasn't really pressure though was it (like you say, that would have been L-1)? it was just at not getting his own way and/or people listening to him and that could be either way.

[BoroPhil]

thoughts on elk Prof?

[BoroPhil]

I'll eat my hat if scum isn't in [elk, doc, Prof]

Insanity is the towniest of the other 3, BC not far behind. bjc is a bit of a wild card and has gone a bit quiet today but I'm still pretty confident he is town.

VOTE: elk

[BoroPhil]

I think if Sala was still here I'd be voting for them which begs the question why aren't I now. I'm just not convinced that scum would replace out in those circumstances though I think I have been surprised by that before.

There really was very little town motivation to do what they did (the fakeclaim)

[BoroPhil]

It is insulting to Sala to think one couldn't handle "the pressure" of a few blokes asking about a faked inno.

I CAN understand, however, replacing out because you can't stand arguing with a brick wall (titus). Oh boy can I side with that!

Just stop. I don't understand why in many games town members try assuming that the scum team have a collective IQ of 30. Really guys? And if it isn't town it's scum driven. So enough with Sal's slot. Doctor/insanity goes today, I think. I would prefer Doc as I'm most convinced with him. I'd rather shuffle through the mess of Elk/insanity/everyone else tomorrow.

your 2nd paragraph could equally apply to scum. you are just describing frustration, I don't see how that is alignment indicative?

[BoroPhil]

Decisionz decisionzzzzz

I kinda want to lynch Sal anyways so we can look at the wagoners and pushers in more detail, buuuut some auxiliary scumminess has popped up around it and I wonder if town might be better served by jumping on that

For now my tentative lynchpool is:
Sal
reinoe
insanity
maaaaybe elk
maaaaybe Docthorr

We could

reaaaalllly

benefit from all players actually being here to give their angle on things.

@Mod: it seems you weren't counting Sal's self vote before he unvoted. Was that a mistake or are you a mod who doesn't count them?

New lynchpool:
elk
Victor
insanity
Docthorr

insanity just acquires a cleverer flavor of scumminess if we are thinking Sal probtown, her failed attempt at getting something started on BC indicative on not wanting to be on the easy wagon but not being able to find a scapegoat.

Unsure about reinoe, that interaction with Sal springboarding off of Doc's vote did seem scummy, but he rightly called Y&B out on his bullshit play of his own accord, and seemed genuinely interested in settling his differences with BC over Victor.

Dunno about Y&B themselves either.

SM is an empty slot that's hopefully getting filled soon

BoroPhil is null lean town, no major contributions from him yet

Officially in Hershey Kiss' pocket for D1.

Think that's everything I haven't explained.

before we speedlynch anyone can we see if we can work out who his partners are? I'd also like to hear from him first as well.

Sala went from scummy to probtown in the reads. although reinoe also moved. consistent scum reads on elk, insanity and doctor.

These were USUX's scum reads. One of [elk, insanity, doc] is surely scum as like you say, scum tend to have one of their buddies in their lists.

elk/doc is where I'm leaning.

having said that, I don't think your case on doc is much of a case - analysing nightkills is always WIFOM and only the fact he was continuously in his lynchpool makes me think one of them will be scum.

then it comes down to who looks the scummiest, more PoE than anything - since insanity looks town - Elk just hasn't got involved, looks like typical lurking scum to me (although admittedly Doc isn't much better, 15 v 20 posts or something?

[BoroPhil]

Hell, I've got as many posts as elk now.

that is ridiculous

[BoroPhil]

Going off the U SUX's reads' list tell, I want to vote for docthor,

because I know that insanity and I are town.

However, doing so would put him at L-1 and after the last two days' speedlynches, I'd rather not make an L-1 vote yet. Consider this willingness to vote Docthor.

how certain are you?

[BoroPhil]

funny you mention that as it would have been impossible. Tbh, it's a bit surprising that neither of the big posters have been targeted. but like I said earlier trying to analyse night kills just ends up with you going round in circles.

[BoroPhil]

I already crumbed my claim yesterday. In fact, I thought we were all doing it yesterday to an extent. I'm someone confused with Prof's claim now though.

surely we no lynch today regardless?

[BoroPhil]

2 years on mafiascum and I didn't know what popcorn was.

I'm a doc.

I think I'm at:

SCUM
Prof
Doc
Bjc
BC
Insanity
TOWN

So Prof goes next?

[BoroPhil]

Titus, I'm the Night 4 Doctor. Crumbed on my third or fourth post (somewhat unintentionally; I thought the mod made a mistake, but I misread the rules, haha). If you have information, this could be gg.

where did you crumb?

[BoroPhil]

and you don't think he was crumbing cop there rather than doc which he is now claiming?

[BoroPhil]

the actions of yourself and your predecessor have been scummy all along - lies, fake claims, quick hammers just off the top of my head. how can any of that be the actions of someone who is town?

scum to town list please.

[BoroPhil]

and sorry, where did you crum N4 doc? I haven't spotted it and neither has insanity apparently.

[BoroPhil]

I've never seen it before and I've been here 19 months had to look in the wiki.

I don't think Sala would have put a fake cop result on his buddy, so that's why I'm inclined to clear bjc. I think Prof is trying to suck up to BC now which would indicate BC is town. and unless I'm horribly wrong insanity is town.

POE leads me to you along with Prof.

[BoroPhil]

and a scum-town list from you as well please.

[BoroPhil]

is 682 invisible?

[BoroPhil]

that didn't seem to work.

is 682 invisible?

[BoroPhil]

time to bus your partner Prof?

and regardless of that we haven't heard from insanity yet, and in this situation a no lynch must be the only credible move today.

but we can just add it to your list of things in this game which can't possibly come from town.

[BoroPhil]

but it's not a counter claim is it? all of us could claim N4 Doc and all of us could be telling the truth (in theory). we don't know who is telling the truth because we don't know who was targeted.

[BoroPhil]

that didn't seem to work.

is 682 invisible?

[BoroPhil]

I think that should depend on what Insanity claims. If Doc is claiming cop, he either has a result (presumably inno) or is yet to act. If Insanity claims cop, we don't want to know whether either of them is active or not in case they still have a chance of being used.

Best case scenario we either have 2 innos or maybe even 2 investigations to come.

[BoroPhil]

2 cops, 2 innos would be game over in fact. if they were telling the truth, and assuming they didn't go for the same person.

[BoroPhil]

am I the only person who didn't realise Y&B was actually a doc? wtf was that all about, so she lied a guilty on U sux and got lucky?

this game is pretty fucked up all round really, what with Sala lying then pretending it was towny, quickhammers all round and bjc apparently saying he took us into mylo to teach everyone a lesson?

[BoroPhil]

how on earth did my stance change when you claimed N4 Doc?

Ever since I knew sala lied, your slot has looked bad to me. see 593 for example.

You are literally making stuff up now - I note you haven't responded to what I said at 717

[BoroPhil]

ok.

so scum sees there has been no night kill.

they claim doc immediately the next day on mylo.

town believes them as there has been no kill.

they are seen as town.

and there is nothing to gain, exactly how?

[BoroPhil]

well, that's it for me. it makes absolutely no sense to me in lynching someone

before

we gain our last possible piece of information. however much the majority seems to be scumreading Doc, there is still a chance that he could flip town, especially as for me it's more PoE/inactivity that led me to him.

Depending on what result insanity gets tomorrow we should be in a pretty strong position. assuming insanity and bjc are telling the truth.

[BoroPhil]

VOTE: no lynch

[BoroPhil]

under what scenario do you think we won't be no lynching today?

[BoroPhil]

can someone just explain to me why BC is cleared?

and why Doc is assuredly (100%?) scum? If he was, I'd be all for killing him now, but how can we be certain?

[BoroPhil]

right so N4 claims were:

BC heals Insanity
Prof heals BC

So either Insanity or BC was healed. and if it wasn't BC the BC did the healing.

Right, I'm happy with that.

Literally exploding with laughter at Prof calling me aggressive when he gets upset at people wanting clarification.

[BoroPhil]

and now bjc fingers others for 'rushing the process'

[BoroPhil]

UNVOTE:

please do.

I genuinely don't understand how your doc claim today is not possible to have come from scum.

[BoroPhil]

Going off the U SUX's reads' list tell, I want to vote for docthor,

because I know that insanity and I are town.

However, doing so would put him at L-1 and after the last two days' speedlynches, I'd rather not make an L-1 vote yet. Consider this willingness to vote Docthor.

how certain are you?

I'm fairly confident in my and insanity's town-ness. I'm less certain about Docthor's scumminess except by POE. Was hoping a massclaim would make our POE more successful.

and while I came to the same conclusion about elk, why did he only say he was 'fairly confident'?

what was there to lose here in clearing him and removing doubt?

[BoroPhil]

UNVOTE:

please do.

I genuinely don't understand how your doc claim today is not possible to have come from scum.

My #692 is a pretty good summary of my arguments. I also made a few edits:

My crumbing was pretty blatantly Doc. I quoted Hershey Kiss's claim

because it was my role

. Like I said, at first, I thought the mod may have mixed up my role PM, so I PM'd him, then, once I was directed to the very first post that says there can be multiple of the same role (I skimmed over it), I created a follow-up post that basically was like "Oh, whoops, I thought Hershey Kiss fake-claimed her night for some strange reason, but I'm dumb because I didn't read the rules."

Again, let's go through all the reasons why I, as scum, would

never fake-claim Night 4 Doc

:

1. I had enough people that believed I was town that it would be ungodly stupid to run this gambit that would effectively do nothing but get me lynched, or, at very least, make it extremely difficult to fight to stay alive.
   
2. Again, I have nothing to gain from fake-claiming Night 4 Doc
   first
   . Perhaps there would be an advantage to fake-claiming the Night 4 Doc
   after
   the N4 Doc claimed to try to get a quicklynch in MYLO and win it for scum, but there's no advantage, and, indeed, only disadvantages to claiming Night 4 Doc
   first
   .
   
3. My crumbing of Night 4 Doc was pretty blatant, and I did it almost immediately once I replaced in (the first post after finishing catching up in the thread).
   
4. Practically any other fake claim would be better than fake-claiming something
   I know is out there
   . For example, N4 Cop would be much more convenient and easier to use to my advantage as scum.
   
5. Remember, if I am scum, I could not have claimed N4 Doc out of ignorance of there being another N4 Doc because no one was killed Night 4.
   
6. The only way I feel like you could conceivably argue for my being scum would be to say that I decided I was going to claim N4 Doc when I replaced in, and decided to immediately crumb it, and by the time Day 5 rolled around, I had already crumbed it, so I was forced into the gambit. But that's pretty far-fetched, and I don't see why I couldn't just neglect my crumbs entirely, since it would allow me to stay in my town-ish position, keep the spotlight off of me, and I could simply make something up if anyone brought up my crumbs, which would be pretty unlikely anyway.

1. Did you? I certainly didn't and yours and Sala's actions have been pretty scummy all along and getting moreso.
2. Blatant? Not to me, and apparently not to BC at least either.
3. Not so. Since we can have multiple of the same PR, this point is irrelevant.
4. So?
5.

and I could simply make something up if anyone brought up my crumbs

So, not so watertight after all?

So, your bleating that none of this could come from scum is quite frankly bollocks.

[BoroPhil]

and tbqh yours and bjc's treatment of BC is out of order - the pair of you have acted scummily throughout, yet bjc in particular seems to think he should be considered above suspicion and you wet your pants if anyone dares suggest otherwise. bjc probably is town, despite all his actions, but I guess we'll find out tomorrow. but I'm nigh on certain you are scum... and hopefully we'll get confirmation on that as well.

VOTE: no lynch

[BoroPhil]

Sorry, big night on Friday and currently on day 2 of what is probably going to be a week-long hangover.

I think BC's 889 summed it up pretty well.

The only thing I would say is let's not rule out an insanity/Prof team. I'm pretty gobsmacked that Prof came back town, and while BC says if that's the gambit, gg - it's not much of a gambit in mylo to clear your buddy as it's almost certain victory. But having said that I'm not sure I'm prepared to risk, as while I don't think the odds are abysmal, they are surely less than 50-50.

so if we assume Prof/Insanity are confirmed town and BC is confirmed town, then that leaves me, bjc and Doc. so the value bet at this stage has to be bjc/Doc.

Doc has been scummy as hell throughout basically, and has been seemingly on the verge of being lynched all game yet has somehow made it this far.
bjc, well he's pulled off the dismssive town role quite well, but I have no problem in seeing him as scum. it certainly is a better fit than prof/insanity.

his 881 is really weird as well, it smacks of 'oh remember remember I am the doc'

and 886 - well we all know that BC is confirmed town, so it's like he's trying to add a little more confusion.

I actually don't think we should no lynch at this stage - I'm certain it's either one team or the other, one more night isn't going to make any difference, and we will be a player up for tomorrow. no lynching now just diminishes the town pool. if we mislynch today we deserve to lose tbqh.

VOTE: doc

pedit: time to bus your bud, bjc?

[BoroPhil]

you make good points, I think my head is so messed up with believing Sal/Prof is actually town, I'm trying to find possible situations in which they could be scum. and they seem to be continuing to look scummy, despite being almost certainly cleared.

has to be bjc/doc then. I think we should lynch one or the other today, preferably doc.

[BoroPhil]

bjc with the most predictable move ever award

[BoroPhil]

I'm not really sure what you mean. All other avenues have been explored and this is where we have ended up.

Bjc has been pseudo-bussing Doc throughout, yet we've somehow always managed to find a way out of lynching him. Particularly the switch to elk at 636 which looks damning now.

[BoroPhil]

what do you mean by a different reason?

[BoroPhil]

I'm not really sure what you mean. All other avenues have been explored and this is where we have ended up.

Bjc has been pseudo-bussing Doc throughout, yet we've somehow always managed to find a way out of lynching him. Particularly the switch to elk at 636 which looks damning now.

OH YOU MEAN LIKE HOW YOU SAID DOCTOR WAS REALLY SCUMMY BUT SWITCHED YOUR VOTE TO ELK JUST TO GET HIM TO TALK?

Yeah that's not fake at all! I didn't hammer Elk (who I am pretty sure I was townreading) out of frustation! No way!

right, so hammering someone you claimed to be townreading to save your buddy was 'frustration'.

[BoroPhil]

The problem with what you suggest BC is that pretty much anyone can manipulate NKs and voting to suit their agenda. and I actually don't think we need to look much further than what happened on D4. Insanity makes a good point and bjc refuses to answer it.

Meanwhile, Prof seems to be continuing the trend of his predecessor and lose the game single-handedly for town. (and I'm still having a hard time accepting you as town)

[BoroPhil]

not really sure what your point is there. I voted for elk, and there was a clear distinction why it was elk over doc, so not at all just a lack of posting as bjc puts it. good misrepping though.

I then unvoted as we had a replacement incoming and then got back on elk.

Also, BC was on elk, and you were on Doc - so elk seemed by far the better option at that stage.

Compare that to bjc's 'oh I was just lynching my top townread coz I as frustrated' and the difference is palpable.

[BoroPhil]

vote: doctor

I'm ready to finish this game.

@BoroPhil, if insanity and I are scum, then we are toying with you all so hard, because insanity could have totally just said you're scum, we lynch you, and gg for us.

VOTE: BoroPhil

I've decided I want him dead first.

vote: boro

and look at at today? again, here is bjc on doc. possibly thinking if he buses today he wins, possibly just doing his usual early vote on doc. but then he spots an opportunity to get on me and jumps off in a flash. there is a pattern here.

[BoroPhil]

I think we both know you are doing your best to make the argument fit your reads, however bad they are.

I have had doc as scum since like page three.

and how many times since then have you voted to lynch him?

[BoroPhil]

why are you still here then? if you are so obvtown and unlynchable why would scum leave you alone?

[BoroPhil]

Conftown are harder to mislynch than obvious town..

That night 2 kill was pretty what the fuck...

Can you explain that?

indeed, so why wasn't bjc targetted on n2 considering we all thought he was cleared at that point?

[BoroPhil]

and suddenly bjc starts making proper posts. did 955 touch a nerve?

[BoroPhil]

all people have to do is look at the facts, and analyse things properly. you weren't ever being pro-town ever since your d1 self-vote. and after that you've tried to present this image of not giving a fuck, whereas you've actually been deliberately scuppering town at every turn. it's so transparent now - and here you realise you are in trouble, and suddenly you go all serious.

Prof/Sal has had an absolute nightmare all game, so I'm not surprised he is following you. you've been having a go at Titus all game, and while none of us have played well, he has at least stood up to some of your shit. I think deep down he knows you are scum.

[BoroPhil]

so I called you conftown because Sala had cleared you.

I then had Prof as scummier than you, but then he was cleared.

So, you then go to the top of the list with doc.

and the inconsistency is where?

what arguments do you think I am ignoring?

saying that I am cosying up to Titus is so rich it's untrue, you are practically near the top of Prof's large intestine.

[BoroPhil]

Yeah, I'm D1 cop. BJC you are free to sheep forever and ever.

<3

VOTE: USUX

Another night, another death.

ShadedMelee,

Town Cop

was killed Night 2.

It is now Day 3.

Votecount 3.00

Not Voting (9) : BoroPhil, Young and Beautiful, Hershey Kiss, Burning Crystal, Docthorr, bjc, theelkspeaks, insanity018, Salamence20

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline

: The deadline for Day 3 will be at 10:00 PM CST on July 4th, which is in (expired on 2014-07-04 22:00:00).

Hershey, Doc, and BC all die and I'm pretty sure it's game over. I need to read D1 real quick to confirm.

bjc, why did you survive this night? Why did Shaded die?

and your first post the next day is typical of your reads - Doc in the middle, but pick others that you can lynch. But when push comes to shove, you are off Doc as quick as you can when you see an opportunity. elk yesterday, me today.

[BoroPhil]

vote: Doctor

vote: elk

How many fucks I give if he flips town:

lim 1/X
X-> infinity

That's how many fucks will be given.

vote: doctor

I'm ready to finish this game.

vote: boro

tried so hard, but can't actually bring yourself to do it?

I think earlier in the game you would have been happy to bus him, maybe even yesterday, and certainly today. but as soon as you sniff an opportunity to get off him, you grab it with both hands.

[BoroPhil]

They seem like legitimate attempts at coming up with things to make bjc town. Scum have to have some legitimate reads to maintain their legitimacy as town.

Yeah that's kinda what I thought at the time too. (Admittedly that was before I investigated you.)

why are you still here then? if you are so obvtown and unlynchable why would scum leave you alone?

I can easily imagine reasons why scum would keep bjc-town alive.
- He has a tendency to recklessly do things that help scum (eg hammering elk)
- These said reckless things could tempt people to decided to lynch him.

And honestly, Borophil, I think you need to stop taking random pot shots at Salamence/Prof Fridays. Even where there was a decent wagon on them (Day 4), you did not vote there.

Conftown are harder to mislynch than obvious town..

That night 2 kill was pretty what the fuck...

Can you explain that?

It could possibly be pointing at bjc (Weak scum read of Shaded). But honestly, that kill was so left of centre, it also might have even been made to just confuse everybody or to bypass any docs.

I don't see how the two are linked tbh. if Prof wasn't cleared (almost) I'd be gunning for them based on their play over the entire game.

[BoroPhil]

BoroPhil is decent enough at scum. I haven't seen bjc scum so I suppose he's capable of anything.

My scumplay also NEVER seems staged. See my recent scum victories.

~Titus

K. We're not suspecting you of being scum since you're conftown?

Let's finish this off. All Docthorr is going to say is bjc/BoroPhil are scum or try to pull the same crap BoroPhil is by desperately trying to cast suspicion on me/insanity.

you are such a puppet. I hope you have your apology speech ready and written.

[BoroPhil]

you are pretty good at this, I'll give you that. you've got Prof wrapped round your little finger, and despite the hard time you've given Titus, it looks like you are going to convince her to side with you and lose us the game. That's some turnaround. Insanity, I'm not sure on.

I think you've got lucky with the 'epic long game bus' as Titus puts it though. I reckon you had every intention to bus Doc early, but circumstances continuously allowed you to get away from it. The last couple of days seems pretty blatant to me, but apparently not.

[BoroPhil]

Guys please open your eyes and look at that horrific post. He has yet to address much of anything and continues to try to demonize the situation. He literally just said he was unsure of insanity!!


Hahahahahaha.

demonizing the situation?

hypocrite much? when I said I was unsure about insanity, I meant in relation to me/you. so you can stop with the misrepping.

[BoroPhil]

Chevlon with an entirely predictable entrance. If you lynch me today, town loses, it's as simple as that. I've spelt out my cases for Doc/Chev and bjc. Ignore them if you wish.

[BoroPhil]

Why hasn't Boro been lynched yet?

presumably because BC is the only one using his brain around here. how I am being lynched before you who is going to lurk your way to victory and bjc, who has gone for the 'I'm going to act so scummy that I can't possibly be scummy' tactic, is beyond me, but there you go.

[BoroPhil]

sigh

[BoroPhil]

well progress of a kind, I'm usually dead D1 or D2 as scum.

wp town, though you did your best to throw it away. surely once bjc had saved insanity he had to be conftown as insanity would have died if he was scum? couldn't work out how that penultimate day was dragged on for so long.

we were too worried about docs in the early stages and certainly made the wrong kills.

[BoroPhil]

Wow, sorry for nearly losing town this game .

Just out of curiosity, how many people realized I'd investigated insanity and gotten an inno?

I saw it at 607 which is why I asked you to clarify. but why only say you were fairly confident at 611?

[BoroPhil]

well progress of a kind, I'm usually dead D1 or D2 as scum.

wp town, though you did your best to throw it away. surely once bjc had saved insanity he had to be conftown as insanity would have died if he was scum? couldn't work out how that penultimate day was dragged on for so long.

we were too worried about docs in the early stages and certainly made the wrong kills.

If insanity dies as you suggested, bjcscum becomes autolynch.

Scum can no kill.

I guess, but surely that would have been better than allowing prof to reveal their result?

[BoroPhil]

Also, BoroPhil, I hope things are all cool between you and me. I felt like I was perhaps rude to you on a few occasions. I think a lot of it was frustration about insanity's and BC's indecisiveness.

absolutely, I don't mind playing hard in-game.

[BoroPhil]

I have more problem with your predecessor though, I think replacing out like that is a really poor show. I certainly wouldn't show my face afterwards.

[BoroPhil]

and thanks to the mod.