Open 562.1: C9++ endgame
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Venrob is my main and only scum read at this point in time. I have null reads on Reinoe and Gameplay. Everyone else I can see as town for now.
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-The setup speculation in #706 & #722 screams scum to me. It has no practical use to the town. I don't care what roles are in the game at the moment. We can find that out as the game progresses as we're only in D2. Too much speculation on SKs and RBs for my liking. Likewise, we've no way of knowing what the scum PRs are as we don't know many town PRs yet and whether they're confirmed or not. Therefore, can you please explain the town motivation behind this speculation because there's no information and it looks like a distraction tactic to me. I don't see the town motivation behind it.
-#681 looks like "Phew, I'm off the hook!".
-His vig claim at #662 is un CC'ed but I'm still not sure I believe it. Coupled with the setup spec it just looks like a clever claim by scum. Remember, scum will have PRs too so they will have a greater understanding of what town roles do and do not exist.
-Vigged a known town read (BC, #693) and when questioned, he responds with WIFOM (#696). Why would you do that as town?
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You can't just look that scummy and then just say "Oh I'm Vig" to push away the lynch. There is more evidence to suggest that he's scummy than he's not. The only thing for him is the fact it's unCC'd but there just could be no vigs in this setup. Mafia would know that since they would know what PRs they have and could have a better guess at the town PRs.-
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Venrob is my main and only scum read at this point in time. I have null reads on Reinoe and Gameplay. Everyone else I can see as town for now.
He is my only scum read. Reinoe and Gameplay as I said are null. I could see them as both town or anti town. Those two I will look at in more detail and establish which.
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Look we cant risk it and lynch him. He can be Vig or Sk.
There's more scumtells than towntells. I would be extremely surprised if he flipped town.-
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Setup speculation helps us find out what scum we may have to deal with and how many. I have already confirmed that we have at least 3 scum as the town roles we have indicate that the only setups that have 2 scum are not possibilities. And that is scummy? The town motivation is "How many scum are there for us to lynch? When is LYLO?
To me it just draws wool over people's eyes and leads to WIFOM. Too many "What ifs" that aren't really necessary. It's usually something scum do as it distracts from the main focus of the game which would be scum hunting.
Please don't talk about setups - we don't need to worry about that as a town until the end of the game at LyLo stages. We're not there yet: we're only in day 2. Our priority so far is scumhunting. We cannotdetermine for sure any kind of setup at this stage so any setup discussion is useless. Period.
I know some people will disagree with me there but that's the way I feel with it.
Just curious, but have you played a game with a variable setup before? If so, can you link me to some of your meta? This would help in getting a bigger understanding of your play. If you do setup spec as town I would be more convinced.
681 is not "Phew! I'm off the hook!" but rather "Well now I get to kill a scum read of mine!".
Alright. Each to their own. I interpreted it that way, though.
Vigged one of my scum reads. Considering the chances of roleblocker, if gameplay was mafia then when I shot him he would not have died (I would have been blocked as I had hinted toward shooting GP heavily). So I shot a different scum read of mine. If BC was still alive then more than likely scum roleblocked me when I "shot GP" and thus GP is scum. They did not though so GP is likely town and BC (one of my scum reads) is now dead.
But the problem I have is you go from saying "BC is definitely scum murder him" to "I think BC couldperhapsbe scum". It's not in a post but your tone acriss your ISO changes dramatically.
Alternatively, let me word it this way:why did you kill? Vigs don't blindly pick a random number and go with that as usually all Vig choices are all universally agreed to be scum. Unlike, say, cop or Doctor, Vigilante is serious business. Going off and doing your own thing isn't respected no matter what. The sort of behaviour you're doing is what an SK would do. To me, the random killing that hasn't been agreed upon by town is where I would draw the distinction between Vig and SK.anyone
BC was obvious town. No-one else scumread him but you, I believe. So it just baffles me why you would take a leap and kill someone like that. Why not wait until the next day round so we could discuss him if you truly thought he was scum?
I still think you're the SK, I'm afraid. I'd like you to respond to some of these points though please-
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OK, I've meta'd your other C9++ Game. Thanks for the post. Please see here for the game and =19391]here for Venrob's ISO.
For the record, you did do a bit of speculation. I found post #738 (posted a week after the game started) which said you were going to roll 100 setups and comment on each. I consider it newbie play but it at least denies the theory you are doing thisbecauseyou are scum.
I would like you to answer my question regarding the kill in #823 though, please.-
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I believe I gave the reason already, but I will repeat- I had hinted that I was going to shoot GP, so if I got roleblocked I would know GP is scum. To know if I was roleblocked or not, I had to shoot someone. Who? My other scumread. If GP was scum, roleblocker would have roleblocked me to stop his death- so I tried to pull a fast one on the mafia. They did not block me, so GP is, as such, likely town. My other scumread was killed by me. I said this all near the beginning of the day.
Why did you pull that kind of gambit? Best case scenario, you've got nothing but WIFOM as to whether you were RBed because GP is scum, or because of a double bluff. Worse case scenario you kill a townie.-
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-There's also his post on #830 with his terrible gambit of sacrificing BC to determine if GP is scum or not.
-He's my biggest scumread. It makes sense for him to be SK.-
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Almost 7 or so out of his 13 posts are about SG being scum. Yet he votes Venrob? What the actual fuck. Not to mention Venrob's wagon was just getting famous. Oh where is the town motivation in not voting your main scumread? Like
He votes Venrob because no one was voting SG. Which is worse to you: someone parking their vote on a useless slot that is not going to be lynched today, or someone joining a bandwagon. Even if his reasons for joining the wagon are a bit iffy (#681 wasn't my strongest tell on him) I still think he's town.-
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Another reason not to lynch Venrob is that there are a lot of lurky/unreadeble players. His shot every night can be extremelyyy helpful in sorting the game out. Like I was scumreading BC and his shot helped me.
You go from sdaying "Ugh, the venrob wagon is shit" to "I think he's SK but his shots will help sort the game out". What?-
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Hm is that scummy? Point me to the scum motivation there plox.
Can you answer my question instead of sidestepping it, please. Why do you think we should keep Venrob alive if you think he's SK? Why would the extra shots being fired sort the game out? I just want to know your reasons behind that post.-
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And also kill town quicker too. Why make blind guesses through the night when we get more vital information through the day? I don't like the plan as it's justy not going to work. For one, we have no way of knowing whether the SK will follow through.
Think of it this way:
-Let's say hypothetically we are in a game with 10 players. 2 of which are mafia and there is 1 SK.
-We lynch one player (town), and we tell the SK (go kill another player! (They're town as well))
-The mafia kill a third person who is also town.
-We now have 7 players. Repeat the process. 3 kills a night.
-SK will kill a scum to prevent a mafia win. We now have 4 players, 1 SK and 1 scum.
-and so on. We can't afford to be wrong many times under this idea.
In case you don't understand, the SKis not going to kill scum straight away.
Why am I afraid? Because I don't want to be in a game where people areallowinga SK to roam free in a game and cherry pick out players one by one. This is not how we play as town. I repeat: the SK is not aligned with the town. It is against US. It is against Scum too. Understand now?-
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Searching for a replacement Mr Escape
Huh? Didn't he just replace in?
Listen to me. We tell Venrob who to shoot. IF HE DOES NOT SHOOT THEM, we lynch Venrob tomorrow. If he does, we keep him around because then we control another shot. We kill him off when we need to or when scum gets around to it.
I just don't like the plan. I find it silly that we're giving control to an SK.
Look at #905 please; hedoes not have to shoot whom we want to. We lose an innocent confirmed townie and venrob dies tomorrow is what's going to happen under your plan. Why are wegoing to lose that extra towniebecause I can assure you the SK isn't going to play games and help us because SK is not aligned with us. Why can't we kill Venrob today sowethe town are in control, and we have one extra townie in play?-
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In post 1002, gameplay506 wrote:Venrob is clear unless someone else claims pr
Yes, I do have a PR by the way, but I'm not claiming which one at this point in time. It is important that I don't.-
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He wasn't fucking blocked. He is V/LA remember?-
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