Open 562.1: C9++ endgame

[AngryPidgeon]

hi guys.

I'm going to be honest, I have read fuck all because I figured there was a chance someone might NK me, so you're going to have to bear with me as I take a day or so to catch up. Preferably not at work.

[AngryPidgeon]

I was 100% sure I was replacing into a scumslot when muffin asked me to replace in. Wish it were, this town sucks at lynching scum as it turns out.

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Cabd, town or scum? Answer honestly please.

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I was 100% sure I was replacing into a scumslot when muffin asked me to replace in. Wish it were, this town sucks at lynching scum as it turns out.

Amished tell? Amished tell!

VOTE: AngryPidgeon

Lol, I haven't read a single post from my predecessor.

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I exaggerate, but zMuffin asked me to replace in out of the blue. When moderators reach out to me for replacing in it seems to land on scum slots more often than not.

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Apparently Muffin just hates me though.

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Cabd, town or scum? Answer honestly please.

What do you expect to learn from the answer?

And why did you ask Cabd rather than me?

Ffery, I forfeit my right to read you after Kagami mafia.

Its done. The ship sailed.

I wasn't hoping to learn anything specific, I'd just rather interact with you guys than read the game right now.

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Well to be fair, I barely spent any effort on his posts : P

But ya, I did misread him in Xenosaga IIRC.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm psychic! :O
-I told you Elk was innocent.
-Venrob hasn't done what we said, which I told you would happen if we didn't lynch him.



VOTE: Venrob

What is this about?

[AngryPidgeon]

I need to read the wiki on this setup I think.

In the meantime,

Wolfy claimed 1x cop inno on bulge.
Venrob claimed a Vig action. I looked back and I see Venrob was told to Vig Reinoe?

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No other claims so far?

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Ok, I read the wiki.

FOS: VENROB

[AngryPidgeon]

I gotta do work, but I'll be back later. Given that we have 3 scum probably and multiple claims out, I think its time to massclaim. Thoughts?

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Venrob, this is very important. Are you 1 shot or full vig?

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I strongly think we should mass claim.

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I strongly think we should mass claim.

I'm not a Vanilla town.

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I think there is a strong chance Venrob is a Serial Killer. If he is, we should lynch him Today. If, however, riddleton and I are trolling each other, then he might actually be a vig?

I do think hes way likely SK, but caution never hurt anything.

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Yep. Dems the breaks.

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I skimmed a bit, I think GP looks townish.

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Riddleton, what is your read on Elmo?

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Riddleton is flatly refusing to claim which irks me a little, but ok. I'm not going to bother if he doesn't. I still want to lynch Venrob, but if Venrob ends up being town I'm gonna be gunning for Riddleton.

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I mostly read the stuff that happened at the end of Yesterday re Gameplay.

Just really outspoken and I can understand being reluctant to lynch a vig claiim.

I thought Elmo's vote on that wagon was the worst by far.

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TBH lynching SK is pretty much always a good thing regardless of whether you are town or scum. The debates about lynching/leashing SKs are something for MD.

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I suggest we wait Venrob to tell us why there is only 1 kill.

What do you honestly think he is going to say?

If he claims to have shot SG, I'll want to lynch him. If he claims to have shot someone else, then he was Roleblocked? That doesnt say much.

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Also would the pr out how much numbers there roles are? I mean like if you are doctor, then you are D and thus 1 letter. And so on and so forth. It will just make the setup solid and so as whether Venrob is SK or not.

The thing is, that doesn't exactly work that way potentially.

Like 2 Doctors would be DDD, while 1 is only D. See what Im saying? Which is why I was saying massclaim for safety, but -shrug-

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Don't worry, I'll catch you by the end of Today.

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I'll be back in a bit.

We're a bit blocked here anyhow. Unless we are just QLing Venrob for the lolz. Seriously though, look at how he claimed. "People might think Im the SK!!" That shit is so selfaware and scummy.

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Scum

Venrob
Elmo
Reinoe
Morph
riddleton
Wolfy
Gameplay
Bulge
AP

Town

[AngryPidgeon]

What's the basis of your Elmo read AP?

Half of his ISO is him talking about being apathetic as a n excuse for not being useful. His reads suck, he just jumps around and I can't follow his thoughts or trajectory at any point of it all. He/Reinoe look like a plausible team on top of that. His response to Mafia 1x FV replacing in was really awkward. His suspicion on SG and Elk sucked.

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The wiki has ambiguous wording.

Mafia Roleblocker cannot kill AND block in the same night.

I can sort of see what you're saying though.

Riddleton I have never ever seen a setup like what you are describing. What Morph is describing is rather common though and almost certainly the case. Ask the mod if you really doubt it.

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Also the only thing really making me think Wolfy is town is his claim for no reason.

That aside, hes coasting kinda hard.

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Hi muffin.

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Thanks for screwing up my town winrate with this replace offer.

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"Thanks for the page top, AP"

NP.

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I'm really itching to hammer.

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VOTE: Venrob

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Least Scummy
reinoe
Wolfy
Angrypidgeon
TheBulge
MorphTheCat
gameplay
ElmoTehAZN
Riddleton
Most scummy

I don't like this post -- and no, not because I'm the most scummy in your list -- but rather because of the lack of justification. Anyone can throw a random reads list together like that. It is the justification that is most important.

Uhhh I basically did the same thing and you didnt comment on mine. Morph asked everyone to do it for claim purposes.

[AngryPidgeon]

I won't be voting until I've read through Day 1 of this game. Or doing much of anything other that participating in massclaim if that is a thing.

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If we are claiming, my preferred order would be

Elmo
Reinoe
Riddleton
Morph
Gameplay
Wolfy (in case he isnt actually just 1x or something, idk)
AP

Obviously this is a greedy list.

Given that this could be lylo (and probably is?). If Riddleton insists on voting Gameplay then I'd go ahead and bump them to the front of my claimlist.

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C is not confirmed and it makes me a little nervous when people say that. Yes bulge did die which sort of implies wolf is town but I wouldn't use the word "confirmed".

I think it's really probable were looking at 3 mafia. I'm unsure about an sk given lack of shot although I'm not certain. Game Play, if you are town now is the time to be proactive. I think I'm going to try and figure out who is town and go from there. I'm guessing that one of Riddle/gp is mafia or this game is over already.

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I want muffin's rainbow VCs back. ; )

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Sorry, the above needs clarification. It looked to me like morph knew for certain that I was going to die tonight.

Does anyone else find this odd?

Not really. I didn't think Bulge's logic there made much sense. Morph is scum and trying to be protown by getting claim lists out, but they 'slipped' by deciding to exclude someone? Scum hardly goes into night phase knowing who they are going to kill for sure imo, unless there is daytalk maybe but I looked on the wiki and I dont see any reason to believe there is. Bulge dying honestly makes me think its less likely Morph is scum since Bulge was arguing that his death makes them scum. Buuut honestly killing Bulge makes a lot of sense regardless of who is scum because Wolfy was claiming a clear on him and he was pretty much a universal townread for that.

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At this point I think one of Riddleton/Gameplay is scum; I strongly doubt they are bussing each other at this point and if this were town on town, then this game is over. Also I'd expect to see some hedgy votes flying out from scum, but that isn't happening.

I think Morph is town tbh. Not a great read, but so far they seem engaged in trying to solve the game and them using meta is a towntell for those two. I would love to hear their analysis on BJC when they get done with that. I still think Wolfy is likely town; I think mass claim will help me feel better about that if we do that today. At this point, it looks like we are lynching one of gameplay/riddleton sooooo, dunno how useful mass claim is given that.

So I'm going to focus on reading Wolfy when I go through D1. I think he is town and I want to be sure of that. Wolfy, where do you stand on Gameplay and Riddleton right now? Morph is a bit meh and I would rather try to get a read on them Today than try and understand their predecessors since they are no longer here. Stay tuned.

I think I'm tentatively seeing Elmo/Reinoe/{Riddleton/Gameplay} here. If I'm wrong about one of the first 2 then maybe Morph.

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still waiting for that Riddleton case...

I wanted to claim yesterday to avoid any possible confusion and he implied he had strong reason to think Venrob was scum (other than just having a role, at least from what I understood). I'm nervous about him calling Wolfy confirmed when Wolfy is most certainly not confirmed. I'm also a little wary that he instavoted in what he believes to be lylo.

Still, my gut kind of likes him for town for reasons I can't really qualify. I think his play is rather extravagant for a newer player if he is actually scum. I would be ridiculously impressed if he is. So I don't know what I think exactly. I really need to get a better grasp on him when I catch up.

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I've been trying to decide if riddleton townslipped yesterday re the mafia can't RB and kill on the same night thing.

AP thoughts on this?

Ehhhhh, let me think about that. Let me reread it actually. You might be right actually and Im usually not a fan of townslips like that.

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I think he's played offsite. possibly extensively. He said something about having played this setup a few times elsewhere.

Oh well then that would explain his confidence in this game at least and may change my perspective a little bit on him.

Knowing that, I think its more likely he may attempt to actively drop fake town tells. Still, looking back on that now..

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The c9++ games I've played on other sites always follow the roleblock or kill rule. I kind of expected it to be the same here. I kind of skimmed over the wiki article and did not pick up on the careful wording there.
I apologise for that, by the way

Oh this is the post that I somehow missed yesterday.

Hm. TBh this does sound rather genuine. I don't doubt that he has played this setup where the rules are what he is describing. Now it is possible that he is scum and realized that it was different and found it interesting, but I think its far more likely that he wouldn't really expect that to give him any town credit. Hes claiming to have read the wiki page anyhow, so I think it probably is more likely he is just town here.

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Gameplay/Reinoe/Elmo?

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Morph are you guys still here? Do you have a read on gameplay at all other than based on Riddleton?

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Okay, metawall of "bjc as a PR" inbound.

Oh cool, well I'll wait for this then.

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Town Gunsmith (Replaced Out Day 1): viewtopic.php?p=5864753#p5864753

Oh god, screw this game. I was scum and my team just imploded on like D2/3.

I forgot that he was the gunsmith slot that replaced out? Knowing that, that makes his play here rather comparable actually. He was pretty lurkaderp in that game and got scumread largely for being apathetic and making a joke scumclaim in RVS.

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Gameplay/Reinoe/Elmo?

Grasping at straws much?

lmao. Ya ok man.

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Welllll, if GP/Riddleton are both town, then Morph/Elmo aren't a scumteam. Wolfy seems unlikely scum anyways, so I really do think its one of gp/riddle and that RB-slip from Riddle is really tempting to call obviously from town.

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Reinoe, are you bussing Gameplay?

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Ok, I think the course of action is tentatively lynch gameplay -> lynch Reinoe -> and then in lylo it'll probably be Morph/Elmo + 1. Whoever ends up there needs to be careful and not just quickvote one.

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VOTE: gameplay

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TBH I'm always terrified of screwing up lylo so I usually sit on my vote until I've at least managed to post enough to look town :S

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RIDDLETON WHY THE FUCK DID YOU CLAIM NOT VT

Note on this, I realized that people had correctly guessed the setup was Vig/1xCop. We had a scumteam that meant either 3 or 4 PR letters had been drawn. 3 would mean no SK, so I was fairly certain everyone was right about the setup. I intentionally softclaimed PR with the intent of throwing the game into 4 claimed letters so I could argue Venrob was an SK and get him lynched. It didn't hurt that Beck had talked about having night actions at an earlier point in the game that I could cite as a softclaim. I was going toclaim to have RB'd SG two nights in a row and then probably claimed a Riddleton RB on N3. I knew Venrob was probably shooting at Reinoe and I didn't want Reinoe to get lynched before we had a chance to off the vigilante (since Reinoe was the RB) so I softed a PR to try and get Venrob lynched. I figured I could probably get away with blowing some towncred in order to get a thread lynched and also throw some smoke over the game.

Riddleton softclaiming out of nowhere was just bonkers and eliminated the need for me to even force us into claiming right away to get Venrob lynched >.>

TBH though Venrob was really town, I had no doubts he was town and not SK lol.

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thread

threat*

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I dont mind posting the QT if you guys dont mind.

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Zmuffin/vezok....

Could you delete everything related to my confession in the scum qt?

? You can delete posts in there yourself.

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Also I'm extremely amused that Reinoe managed to make it to endgame. Its like everyone in the game thought he was probable scum, but somehow other people got wagoned all game. The Venrob lynch wsa obviously me trying to cover for him a little, but still its really amusing that he made it >.>. The SH kill, Venrob lynch, and Bulge kill were intended to try and get pressure off him to a degree.

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Half of the mafia QT is all of us talking about pidgeons >.>

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http://quicktopic.com/50/H/zFkmZTBquhc

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Oh fuck lol. Im not sure what Reinoe posts he wanted deleted >.>

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I just read the QT and I didnt see anything that looks private in it.

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/pre-in AP Sabotage sequel

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Can I pre-in too? It sounds like a cool game.

Sure! I'll count you in!

@Beck: np! I felt a little overwhelmed when I replaced in and saw Reinoe was under a lot of pressure and the other slot was also a fresh replace. IT also looked like Bulge/Wolfy/Venrob were untouchable, but got through it : P

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I don't think anyone in the game was townreading Reinoe, which made it extra funny that he made it to endgame.