Open 564: Duck Duck Goose - Game Over!

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VOTE: uctriton How's it going? It's been a while.

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Forgot massclaim. [claim]PGO[/claim]

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....Right?

Dunno. Could be another typo in the role PM...

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My suggestion is that everyone flips a coin and arms themselves if the result is Heads. The crucial part is that everyone absolutely has to randomize it. Anyone making a choice one way or the other ruins the plan.

that's the dumbest strategy I've ever heard if you're serious

I wouldn't say it is the worst idea ever, but I'm not sure I'd want to waste my shot on night 1. :/

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Also, what is WIFOM? Sorry, nub questions from nubby mcnuberton.

WIFOM is circular reasoning.

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I think this plan makes more sense than having everyone use their PGO shots D1. Also, just because people agree to this idea doesn't mean they HAVE to follow it because the scum would think they'd be randomizing anways.

I'd hope that everyone wouldn't use their shots N1. I've never played Duck Duck Goose before; is that common?

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If you go to the game setup page, there's a list of Duck Duck Goose games that have finished. I know at least Open 413 has the night actions listed at the end. I'm not sure about the others though, you could check that out to see when people usually arm themselves.

Thanks. Time to read...

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Guys maybe instead of fully just bickering back and forth about statistics and one strategy we maybe start talking about how we're going to try and identify scum. If we talk too heavily about our plans then whoever is scum will know everything we're doing and will make us even more screwed.

^^^This^^^

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No. Absolutely everyone needs to randomize it or we may as well have no PGO shots at all.

Are you serious? What makes you think town can't make smart choices when it comes to arming themselves?

Solution: everyone

says

they'll randomize it, and instead just do what they want. There's no reason we all have to agree to randomize our shots.

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kyndy

: I feel like you are getting defensive. You voted for mathbandit even though you liked his plan. How do you feel about the plan now? Does that factor into your scumread of mathbandit? Does his scumminess effect the plan, or is it a good plan that scum attempted to put into place?

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Hephaestus

,

RubikAshtray

,

Splashcloud

,

chaoslord54

, are we going to hear more from you? You haven't posted for more than 24 hours, and all 4 of you have less than 10 posts.
I'm willing to bet there's scum in there somewhere.

VOTE: kyndy101 - Dat fencesitting.

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Personally, the wagon on mathbandit wasn't that bad of an idea, as he seems to not be really answering questions, as a way to pressure him, but going to L-1 was a little to far in my opinion. I personally don't believe him wanting to come up with a night plan is scummy or townie, because I don't see how it would benefit either.

I don't really have any scumreads right now.

I posted my opinion of the wagon in post 136.

Sooooo...you don't really have anything to go on at all?
VOTE: Splashcloud - You're lurking is bad, and you should feel bad.

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DANGIT.

UNVOTE

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I agree with a couple points:
1) mathbandit could've been a scum just wanting it to be over; his "wanting-to-be-lynched" is not a clear indication of scum or town.
2) I think it is pretty obvious that scum was on the wagon; it is highly unlikely that 7 out of the 9 townies would lynch one of their own.

I also think Looker was an easy nightkill. It is obvious scum are taking the easy route, instead of dealing with true scumhunting threats. Should be easy to get them in the end.
For now, I'm still not satisfied, so I'll
VOTE: kyndy.

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Wait, what?
So not satisfied = vote kyndy.
Huh. Alright then?

Should've said "I'm not satisfied with your explanation of yesterday's events and whatnot.

However,

lol

Remember how I said that the L-1 that happened by Page 5 was way too fast, and that it means it's likely a mislynch and will have scum on it? I'm right in that it was a mislynch. That makes me feel like I'm right in that there is scum on it.

You thought that mathbandit's lynch would be a mislynch, yet

you

were the hammer vote? Hep was right; we had plenty of time until the deadline.
VOTE: uctriton

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You thought kyndy was worth voting over uctriton00 at first just because of her explanation for what happened? Care to elaborate?

My vote for kyndy stemmed from my vote for her yesterday; she was not cleared and I was not satisfied she is town.

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Kibbles comes off a little suspicious to me just because his logic seems like he's just repeating what others have been saying then he just votes without really explaining himself when he votes against kyndy101 and then he seems to slide quickly into the wagon to lynch you without a very good defense and without really supporting it too well. His wording though could make someone easily jump onto the wagon and end up getting you lynched if they read it too quickly and didn't think much about it. Also, the fact that he's in the L-2 spot could lead to him not being suspicious if you flipped town after the lynch and instead would lead him with a chance to lead another wagon against whoever hammered (a.k.a. what he's trying to do to you today)

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here, particularly the "His wording though..." portion. Care to elaborate?

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Sorrysorrysorrysorrysorry!!!
Work got a little hectic, so I'm going to do my best to catch up.
First, No way would scum put themselves out like that on a fakehammer; Ki-Gi is town on my list.
Next, UNVOTE: until I can make sense of all that's gone down recently.
Finally, some responses:

Either way, all Ki-Gi is done is prod people along. Last he did anything, was Sunday asking kibbles for an explanation (which kibbles should really do)

I assume you mean this:

You thought kyndy was worth voting over uctriton00 at first just because of her explanation for what happened? Care to elaborate?

The vote for kyndy was leftovers from Day 1. Took me a bit of rereading to change my mind.

My point is that you use the WIFOM tactic and use a manipulated case against Ucitron and came off to me as you trying to get a quicklynch from the players who just skim.

You give me way too much credit. My vote was only ever based on my reads.

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Ya'll need to stop posting 7 consecutive posts. You're driving me crazy.

DUDE HOLD ON LOOK AT THIS

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=850
Kibbles was scum, and I voted him in LYLO as town, but he convinced the other guy (Z-Boson) to kill me too.

Here's a fun theory:
Could kibbles want me gone by placing a joke RVS on me on Page 1, and then probably decide to kill me Night 1, but saw that I was a hammer, and then decide it's not worth it to nightkill me because he can probably get me mislynched on Day 2 because I was the hammer?

Could I be reading kibbles completely wrong?

Vote: kibbles

RVS vote was because we've played together before. Your hammer did not come across as a town move to me, hence my earlier suspicions. By the way, that WIFOM is very nice.
Based on level of activity alone, Anatole, Ki-Gi, and Uctriton are looking pretty town right now. That isn't to say they are townreads furshur, I'm simply basing those town-leans on number of posts, plus Ki-Gi's genius reaction tests. I don't think I've yet encountered scum that has been as active as those three.
However, in my most recent readthrough, Mcfriendly is not looking good. Lots of lurking (I know that's hardly a scumtell), but those WALLS of quotes with nothing to say are driving me crazy.

@Mcfriendly:

Without any quotes, give me your top three scumreads and why. Go ahead and reference specific posts, but they can't be your own. No more direct quoting. Give it to me straight.
VOTE: Mcfriendly

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"I'm simply basing those town-leans on number of posts"

Did you just scumclaim?

VOTE: kibbles

No. Please explain how my statement you quoted is a scumclaim.

He's claiming to base reads off of number of posts when it's clear that he's smarter than that, he says my reaction tests are genius when there was one reaction test and it heightened a scum read on me for uctriton00 when uctriton00 is a town read for him, (so that must mean my reaction tests don't work, so why call them genius?) and he votes McFriendly, the most recent suspicion suspect, because the wall posts basically hurt his eyes? He's scum.

I only meant they were genius because I have played around 10 games and I've never been able to do something like them. And the wall posts didn't hurt my eyes, they were a bunch of quotes with no analysis. Classic scumtell. People need to at least take a second look at him.

McFriendly and Kibbles - please replace out of this game. I'm not even kidding. This is the third (fourth?) time in a row you have disappeared for two days and barely said anything to prod dodge then left again. What's the point in even playing?

Hey, turns out I don't have time to post all the time, especially when so much mud is being flung back and forth constantly. There's tons being said by a few people, and the rest of us have to play catchup when our lives get in the way. Relax.

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Ucrit is my number 1
Anatole is my number 2
I have no number 3 at the moment.

That is hardly adequate. You didn't even meet the basic parameters of the question I asked.

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Ucrit is my number 1
Anatole is my number 2
I have no number 3 at the moment.

That is hardly adequate. You didn't even meet the basic parameters of the question I asked.

You said give it to me straight, and no direct quoting.
Thus, given.

I wanted reasons, and you could've referenced previous posts, like so. I just didn't want giant blocks of nested quotes. Your text walls haven't done much to help me see your points.

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I'm behind on this game too because with so few players posting (and the players that ARE posting won't fucking stop posting)...

THIS.

UNVOTE: Chaoslord
VOTE: Uctitron

Since friendly is probably town.

Can you elaborate? What does McFriendly's alleged town status and replacing out have to do with Chaos' or Uc's alignment?

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VOTE: Chaos
Recently, he hasn't been providing any decent reads. He hasn't posted in 6 hours, and I was under the impression he was almost done.
Plus, Heph's VT claim has been addressed, and not mentioned again for days, but Chaos points it out as a possible tell. Sounds like scum grasping at straws.

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Hey Hopkirk. Wanna respond to my Post 706?

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I can't believe I've had the self-restraint to save my pgo this long

Scum trying to hard? VOTE: Anatole.

I'm inclined to call triton town now.

Why?

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Whoops. That should say "too."

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Whoops. That should say "too."

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Another replace? This is ridiculous.
I'm gonna reread Chaos/Ranon; I'll be back.

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Well, after a bit of a reread, I found some things:
-A little bit of early fencesitting in 130
-Slight refusal to scumhunt in 144
-Shows reluctance at a D2 mislynch based on the D1 mislynch that he was sooper supportive of
Is pretty inactive D2 (no vote [He votes uct, but that ends up being a nolynch], no FoS). Weak play. Replaces out. And Ranon hasn't said anything at all.
VOTE: Ranon. I feel good about this.

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I think the scumteam is probably kibbles/ranon/psycho. They are listed in order of confidence.

I find kibbles' #803 odd, in addition to what was said above. Why is antole scum who is trying too hard? In my view, antole's post is towny. There's no reason for anyone to announce they have their shot left to try and 'confirm themselves town' as scum. I wouod like clarification on your logic there, because I think its bullshit.

VOTE: kibbles

Why would you bother announcing you have your shot left? Either you are town telling the truth, and scum will avoid killing you because you might arm yourself, or you are town lying and hoping that'll make scum avoid killing you. Or you are scum and lying because it makes you look like either of the first scenarios. If it beneficial, why haven't we all be reporting whether we used our shot or not?
Because it isn't helpful.
Anatole's post sounded a lot similar to "Whew! Glad I wasn't nightkilled!" and that seems like scum trying too hard to make it sound like they are town.

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This game needs to just start over. I'm over this.

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i especially like kibbles second point, btw

that worked really well with mathbandit

who kibbles didn't comment on at all, btw!

I have mentioned mathbandit before. Also, I was not on that wagon since uc hammered.

Saki, what's your reasoning for voting Kibbles?

reasoning behind votes is for pussies

So you aren't going to, you know, help town at all? That's not very town-like.
VOTE: Saki

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@Kibbles what are your top scum reads at the moment?

Chaos is definitely up there, but since Ranon is going to be replaced, it is kind of pointless to vote him right now.
I'll admit Saki's vote is more pressure than scumread, but Heph has never really been on my townlist.
Mcfriendly was also on my scumlist at one point, but again, he has been replaced, so I'm not sure how I feel about Riddleton.

I'll try and get my head back in the game and get you some better reads.

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INB4!!!

if Saki flips scum then we have this game in the bag so hard

Any thoughts on what happens if he flips town?
I guess there's no point in elaborating on Heph/Saki. I guess we wait for the flip. There's definitely scum on that wagon, though. Aegor and Anatole voted way too fast for there not to be. As far as self-votes go, if it means getting rid of a useless townie, I'm all for it. Getting down to the wire...

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im surprised you didn't try to kill me

also fairly certain the saki wagon had the entire scum team on it

So you think it is Anatole, myself, and....?

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im undecided on the third but seeing as i said i think the entire scum team is on the saki wagon, i'm sure you can take a guess at who i think is likely

also pretty sure that post is a scum claim seeing as you have two votes on you and you don't seem at all concerned about that

rather you're concerned that i called you and anatole scum

So...is that post a scumclaim because I'm not concerned that I have two votes, or that I'm concerned you called me and Anatole scum? I'm...I'm a little confused.

I'm not concerned about two votes because there are still people to hear from; No need to go on the crazydefensive to respond to two votes. I'm not worried. Should I be? Are you hoping I'll be a mislynch?

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nobody can be that dumb

there's 7 alive, today is lylo, you have 2 votes on you, in a theoretical universe where you were town, you'd know you have at least one scum currently voting you, and there's basically no way any two people off your wagon can be scum together from your PoV unless one of them is ranon

you're not worried though because you don't have anything to worry about

you're not in danger of being quicklynched because you're scum

Or maybe the people we haven't heard from are...well, not here. Maybe scum is bad and nooby. Maybe they are just biding their time. It is all purely speculation.
Ranon's slot

could

very well be scum, which might explain why a quicklynch hasn't happened yet. I'm not going to freak out yet. Relax.
Or, you could vote if you are so sure of my alignment. But you aren't voting, which means you aren't sure you want to put me at L-1, which means you don't want me lynched because you have doubts.

I would like to hear what

Anatole's

reasons for his vote are...

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Will catch up tomorrow at the latest; I want to give Micc's entrance the careful attention it deserves.

Seriously? This game has come to a grinding halt.

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VOTE: Micc

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All this fighting made this game absolutely terrible. I'm glad it is over.